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Bug#1092096: debroster: Please lets maintain debroster in Salsa

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  Bug#1092096: debroster: Please lets maintain debroster in Salsa Andreas Tille <tille@debian.org> - 2025-01-04 15:00 +0100
    Bug#1092096: debroster: Please lets maintain debroster in Salsa Matthew Vernon <matthew@debian.org> - 2025-01-08 10:50 +0100
      Bug#1092096: debroster: Please lets maintain debroster in Salsa Andreas Tille <andreas@an3as.eu> - 2025-01-08 14:00 +0100
        Bug#1092096: debroster: Please lets maintain debroster in Salsa Matthew Vernon <matthew@debian.org> - 2025-01-08 15:10 +0100
          Bug#1007297: Bug#1092096: debroster: Please lets maintain debroster in Salsa Andreas Tille <tille@debian.org> - 2025-01-08 15:50 +0100
            Bug#1007297: Bug#1092096: debroster: Please lets maintain debroster in Salsa Matthew Vernon <matthew@debian.org> - 2025-01-08 18:00 +0100
              Bug#1092096: Bug#1007297: Bug#1092096: debroster: Please lets maintain debroster in Salsa Andreas Tille <tille@debian.org> - 2025-01-08 18:40 +0100
    Bug#1092096: Bug#1007297: Bug#1092096: debroster: Please lets maintain debroster in Salsa Matthew Vernon <matthew@debian.org> - 2025-01-08 18:30 +0100
      Bug#1092096: Bug#1007297: Bug#1092096: debroster: Please lets maintain debroster in Salsa Andreas Tille <tille@debian.org> - 2025-01-08 18:40 +0100

#1226804 — Bug#1092096: debroster: Please lets maintain debroster in Salsa

Source: debroster
Version: 1.18+nmu1
Severity: normal
X-Debbugs-Cc: 1007297@bugs.debian.org, Matthew Vernon <matthew@debian.org>, Package Salvaging Team <team+salvage@tracker.debian.org>

Hi,

usually I'm filing Intend To Salvage bugs in accordance with the
Package Salvaging procedure outlined in the Developers Reference[1].
However, in case of your package debroster, the usually criterions
are not really fulfilled.

Despite this I think it makes perfectly sense to maintain debroster on
Salsa in the debian/ team to provide easy access for people who might
want to run a booth at some exposition and would like to add some
feature to this package.  For this purpose I've created a Git repository
on Salsa.[2]  It contains the fix for bug #1007297 and makes the
package compliant to the latest packaging standards.

Please let me know if you want me to do a team upload of the content of
the repository or if you prefer to upload yourself.  I will wait 21 days
as usual in the package salvaging process to give you sufficient time to
respond to this bug report.  If I do not hear from you in this time
frame I will assume agreement and upload to delayed=10 (and when doing
so I will ping you again).

Your package was highlighted in the Bug of the Day[3] initiative, which
aims to introduce newcomers to manageable tasks and guide them through
the workflow to solve them. The focus of this initiative is on migrating
packages to Salsa, as it's a great way to familiarize newcomers with a
consistent Git-based workflow.

Kind regards
    Andreas.

[1] https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/developers-reference/pkgs.en.html#package-salvaging
[2] https://salsa.debian.org/debian/debroster
[3] https://salsa.debian.org/tille/tiny_qa_tools/-/wikis/Tiny-QA-tasks


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#1227375

Hi,

On 04/01/2025 13:50, Andreas Tille wrote:

> Despite this I think it makes perfectly sense to maintain debroster on
> Salsa in the debian/ team to provide easy access for people who might
> want to run a booth at some exposition and would like to add some
> feature to this package.  For this purpose I've created a Git repository
> on Salsa.[2]  It contains the fix for bug #1007297 and makes the
> package compliant to the latest packaging standards.

I have mixed views on this. In general, I'm not keen on 3.0 packaging 
formats, since I think trying to bundle a mini VCS into a source package 
is a mistake, and keeping the git repository as the preferred source for 
modification is better (which in turn is better done with the older 
source format, until someone actually implements 3.0(git) or similar).

I'd be happy with the changes were the package format left as 1.0. Would 
that be acceptable?

Regards,

Matthew

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#1227405

Hi Matthew,

I keep bug #1007297 in CC since this is rather relevant in this
bug report.

Am Wed, Jan 08, 2025 at 09:44:24AM +0000 schrieb Matthew Vernon:
> On 04/01/2025 13:50, Andreas Tille wrote:
> 
> > Despite this I think it makes perfectly sense to maintain debroster on
> > Salsa in the debian/ team to provide easy access for people who might
> > want to run a booth at some exposition and would like to add some
> > feature to this package.  For this purpose I've created a Git repository
> > on Salsa.[2]  It contains the fix for bug #1007297 and makes the
> > package compliant to the latest packaging standards.
> 
> I have mixed views on this. In general, I'm not keen on 3.0 packaging
> formats, since I think trying to bundle a mini VCS into a source package is
> a mistake, and keeping the git repository as the preferred source for
> modification is better (which in turn is better done with the older source
> format, until someone actually implements 3.0(git) or similar).

I *personally* think this argument does not apply to 3.0 (native) since
you will not apply patches to native packages but IMHO some random bug
in BTS is the wrong place to discuss this.
 
> I'd be happy with the changes were the package format left as 1.0. Would
> that be acceptable?

My main point was the migration to Salsa.  Even if I disagree about the
source format I perfectly accept it since you are the maintainer of this
package and I do not intend to question this.  If you want to upload
yourself or want me to upload with the following change:


diff --git a/debian/changelog b/debian/changelog
index e0ae4bd..3b9cc64 100644
--- a/debian/changelog
+++ b/debian/changelog
@@ -2,8 +2,7 @@ debroster (1.19) UNRELEASED; urgency=medium
 
   * Team upload.
   * Maintain package on Salsa
-  * Source format 3.0 (native)
-    Closes: #1007297
+  * Maintainer prefers source format 1.0
   * Standards-Version: 4.7.0 (routine-update)
   * debhelper-compat 13 (routine-update)
   * Reorder sequence of d/control fields by cme (routine-update)
diff --git a/debian/source/format b/debian/source/format
index 89ae9db..d3827e7 100644
--- a/debian/source/format
+++ b/debian/source/format
@@ -1 +1 @@
-3.0 (native)
+1.0


my main point (maintenance on Salsa) is solved.  In any case I'd
recommend adding some tags that fit to bug #1007297 to inform others
about your opinion.  I've seen NMUs "fixing" the source format only.

Thank you for your quick response in any case
    Andreas.

-- 
https://fam-tille.de

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#1227416

Hi,

On 08/01/2025 12:56, Andreas Tille wrote:

> Am Wed, Jan 08, 2025 at 09:44:24AM +0000 schrieb Matthew Vernon:
>> On 04/01/2025 13:50, Andreas Tille wrote:

> I *personally* think this argument does not apply to 3.0 (native) since
> you will not apply patches to native packages but IMHO some random bug
> in BTS is the wrong place to discuss this.

Ack, and yes I should wontfix the other bug or similar.

>> I'd be happy with the changes were the package format left as 1.0. Would
>> that be acceptable?
> 
> My main point was the migration to Salsa.

Hm, you've lost my git history (which OK, I hadn't published, but I'd 
still like to keep). Can we try and produce a branch which contains my 
history and your changes?

Regards,

Matthew

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#1227424 — Bug#1007297: Bug#1092096: debroster: Please lets maintain debroster in Salsa

Hi Matthew,

Am Wed, Jan 08, 2025 at 02:02:18PM +0000 schrieb Matthew Vernon:
> > I *personally* think this argument does not apply to 3.0 (native) since
> > you will not apply patches to native packages but IMHO some random bug
> > in BTS is the wrong place to discuss this.
> 
> Ack, and yes I should wontfix the other bug or similar.

Sounds good.
 
> > My main point was the migration to Salsa.
> 
> Hm, you've lost my git history (which OK, I hadn't published, but I'd still
> like to keep). Can we try and produce a branch which contains my history and
> your changes?

You might like to publish your Git history somewhere and I'd volunteer
to apply my changes on top of it.  The main point of my effort to move
to Salsa what is not yet there is to make sure Git history is not lost.
So I'd happily care for this if you publish your repository somewhere.
As long as a package does not have any Vcs fields set the best guess is
what `gbp import-dscs` can create - but I love to do better.

Kind regards
   Andreas.

-- 
https://fam-tille.de

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#1227437 — Bug#1007297: Bug#1092096: debroster: Please lets maintain debroster in Salsa

Hi,

On 08/01/2025 14:38, Andreas Tille wrote:

> Am Wed, Jan 08, 2025 at 02:02:18PM +0000 schrieb Matthew Vernon:

>> Hm, you've lost my git history (which OK, I hadn't published, but I'd still
>> like to keep). Can we try and produce a branch which contains my history and
>> your changes?
> 
> You might like to publish your Git history somewhere and I'd volunteer
> to apply my changes on top of it.  The main point of my effort to move
> to Salsa what is not yet there is to make sure Git history is not lost.
> So I'd happily care for this if you publish your repository somewhere.
> As long as a package does not have any Vcs fields set the best guess is
> what `gbp import-dscs` can create - but I love to do better.

OK, I've pushed my dgit/sid branch to salsa - it contains my 
reconstruction of my older versions, your changes, and a couple of other 
fixes on top of them. I've built a 1.19 on the basis of the tip of that 
branch.

If you're OK with this, I propose to make dgit/sid the default branch 
for the repo (and remove your master branch), and do an upload on that 
basis.

Seem good?

Regards,

Matthew

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#1227446 — Bug#1092096: Bug#1007297: Bug#1092096: debroster: Please lets maintain debroster in Salsa

Hi Matthew,

Am Wed, Jan 08, 2025 at 04:49:39PM +0000 schrieb Matthew Vernon:
> OK, I've pushed my dgit/sid branch to salsa - it contains my reconstruction
> of my older versions, your changes, and a couple of other fixes on top of
> them. I've built a 1.19 on the basis of the tip of that branch.

Cool.
 
> If you're OK with this, I propose to make dgit/sid the default branch for
> the repo (and remove your master branch), and do an upload on that basis.
> 
> Seem good?

Perfect.  I'm happy we talked about this. :-)
 
Kind regards
    Andreas. 

-- 
https://fam-tille.de

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#1227443 — Bug#1092096: Bug#1007297: Bug#1092096: debroster: Please lets maintain debroster in Salsa

Hi,

On 08/01/2025 17:00, Andreas Tille wrote:
> Am Wed, Jan 08, 2025 at 04:49:39PM +0000 schrieb Matthew Vernon:

>> If you're OK with this, I propose to make dgit/sid the default branch for
>> the repo (and remove your master branch), and do an upload on that basis.
>>
>> Seem good?
 > > Perfect.  I'm happy we talked about this. :-)

Now done. Thanks for all the packaging work you did here, and your 
patience :)

Regards,

Matthew

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#1227445 — Bug#1092096: Bug#1007297: Bug#1092096: debroster: Please lets maintain debroster in Salsa

Hi Matthew,

Am Wed, Jan 08, 2025 at 05:20:22PM +0000 schrieb Matthew Vernon:
> Now done.

Great.

> Thanks for all the packaging work you did here, and your patience

You are welcome
   Andreas. 

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