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Bug#966370: bsdmainutils: 12.1.3 removal of lorder breaks rdeps

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  Bug#966370: bsdmainutils: 12.1.3 removal of lorder breaks rdeps Jessica Clarke <jrtc27@debian.org> - 2020-07-27 16:10 +0200
    Bug#957230: Bug#966370: bsdmainutils: 12.1.3 removal of lorder breaks rdeps Michael Meskes <meskes@debian.org> - 2020-07-29 10:10 +0200
      Bug#964661: Bug#966370: bsdmainutils: 12.1.3 removal of lorder breaks rdeps Jessica Clarke <jrtc27@debian.org> - 2020-08-07 17:40 +0200

#1019476 — Bug#966370: bsdmainutils: 12.1.3 removal of lorder breaks rdeps

Package: bsdmainutils
Version: 12.1.3
Severity: serious
Control: affects -1 src:freebsd-buildutils src:freebsd-glue src:freebsd-libs

Hi,
The removal of lorder in 12.1.3 causes various freebsd-* packages to
FTBFS which are now scheduled for autoremoval from testing. Please
restore this shell script; it's not deprecated, it's still widely used
by the BSDs and maintained in at least FreeBSD.

Jess

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#1019671 — Bug#957230: Bug#966370: bsdmainutils: 12.1.3 removal of lorder breaks rdeps

On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 03:01:31PM +0100, Jessica Clarke wrote:
> Package: bsdmainutils
> Version: 12.1.3
> Severity: serious
> Control: affects -1 src:freebsd-buildutils src:freebsd-glue src:freebsd-libs
> 
> Hi,
> The removal of lorder in 12.1.3 causes various freebsd-* packages to
> FTBFS which are now scheduled for autoremoval from testing. Please
> restore this shell script; it's not deprecated, it's still widely used
> by the BSDs and maintained in at least FreeBSD.

I'm surprised it is actually used as it was pointed out to me that the script
has been non-functional for quite a while. Anyway, it cannot easily be "restored"
because the old bsdmainutils package does not exist anymore. All tools except
ncal and calendar, which are now in their own package, are now build out of
util-linux. Would it be possible to include lorder.sh in one of the affected
freebsd packages?

Michael
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#1020899 — Bug#964661: Bug#966370: bsdmainutils: 12.1.3 removal of lorder breaks rdeps

On 29 Jul 2020, at 09:04, Michael Meskes <meskes@debian.org> wrote:
> 
> On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 03:01:31PM +0100, Jessica Clarke wrote:
>> Package: bsdmainutils
>> Version: 12.1.3
>> Severity: serious
>> Control: affects -1 src:freebsd-buildutils src:freebsd-glue src:freebsd-libs
>> 
>> Hi,
>> The removal of lorder in 12.1.3 causes various freebsd-* packages to
>> FTBFS which are now scheduled for autoremoval from testing. Please
>> restore this shell script; it's not deprecated, it's still widely used
>> by the BSDs and maintained in at least FreeBSD.
> 
> I'm surprised it is actually used as it was pointed out to me that the script
> has been non-functional for quite a while.

I do recall having an issue with it at one point a few years back and
meaning to submit a patch to bsdmainutils to fix it, but resolved it
one way or another without that, though can't find any evidence of that
nor can I remember what the problem was. But regardless, it was working
well enough for the freebsd-* packages to build fine.

> Anyway, it cannot easily be "restored"
> because the old bsdmainutils package does not exist anymore. All tools except
> ncal and calendar, which are now in their own package, are now build out of
> util-linux. Would it be possible to include lorder.sh in one of the affected
> freebsd packages?

Yeah, it's possible, and that's no doubt what I'll end up doing. But I
really don't appreciate all the breakage that's come about from
bsdmainutils in the past few months. The util-linux handover was
poorly-handled causing all kinds of problems across the archives
(release and ports), and this removal of something, and thus
*deliberately breaking* the package's "API", should have been done more
carefully by checking whether anyone is actually using it (archive-wide
rebuilds like is done for the new GCC versions is the
easy-but-computationally-expensive way to do it). As it stands, I got
hit with a surprise set of RC bugs from the first archive-wide rebuild
after this change landed, and I therefore have to react in a
time-pressured way to fix it lest packages be removed from testing
(though, arguably, testing doesn't matter so much for these given
kfreebsd-* aren't release architectures). This really should have been
found out first, with Severity: important bugs filed a month or more in
advance of making the change, that can then be upgraded to be
release-critical further down the line. So, please, never do a
transition like this again.

Jess

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