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Bug#1041207: debootstrap: bad NMU produces buildds not supported by dpkg _and_ CTTE

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On Sun, 16 Jul 2023 12:54:35 +0100 Simon McVittie <smcv@debian.org>
wrote:
> On Sun, 16 Jul 2023 at 12:42:11 +0100, Luca Boccassi wrote:
> > In the meanwhile, I'll immediately revert the sabotage.
> 
> Both of you, please don't turn this into an NMU war in the archive:
> that doesn't benefit anyone. I would have preferred it if Adam had
not
> immediately uploaded a 0-day revert, but preserving the status quo
from
> bookworm is not the worst state to be in while we discuss this.
> 
> If Adam's concerns about this change are valid, then we should
address
> them, either by doing something different in debootstrap or by
reporting
> bugs against affected packages.
> 
> If Adam's concerns about this change turn out to be unfounded, then
we
> should reinstate my change (as NMU'd by Luca) in a calm and
considered
> way, and all we will have lost is a few days of progress and a few
bytes
> of changelog.

I have already reverted the hostile and unwarranted NMU before you
replied. And that is the right thing to do: the correct procedure when
there is a suspicion that a change breaks something is not to do a 0-
day revert without telling anybody, it's to file a bug _AND_ CC the
involved people, and wait until there is an answer, while providing
evidence of the actual issue.

As you already correctly noted, there is zero evidence of any issue
presented in this bug, and the stated 'reason' is wrong anyway:
debootstrap from unstable/testing is NOT used to build packages for
unstable/testing. This would have been trivial to find out for the
reporter.

So as with normal procedure, the change will stand where it is, and if
there is evidence of any actual issues it can be revisited later.
Blocking other people's progress with work that has the consensus of
both the project and the CTTE and force them to spend days or weeks or
months proving negatives is not an acceptable procedure.

-- 
Kind regards,
Luca Boccassi

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Bug#1041207: debootstrap: bad NMU produces buildds not supported by dpkg _and_ CTTE Adam Borowski <kilobyte@angband.pl> - 2023-07-15 18:40 +0200
  Bug#1041207: debootstrap: bad NMU produces buildds not supported by dpkg _and_ CTTE Timo Röhling <roehling@debian.org> - 2023-07-16 00:40 +0200
  Bug#1041207: debootstrap: bad NMU produces buildds not supported by dpkg _and_ CTTE Simon McVittie <smcv@debian.org> - 2023-07-16 13:40 +0200
    Bug#1041207: debootstrap: bad NMU produces buildds not supported by dpkg _and_ CTTE Vagrant Cascadian <vagrant@reproducible-builds.org> - 2023-07-16 16:40 +0200
  Bug#1041207: debootstrap: bad NMU produces buildds not supported by dpkg _and_ CTTE Simon McVittie <smcv@debian.org> - 2023-07-16 13:50 +0200
  Bug#1041207: debootstrap: bad NMU produces buildds not supported by dpkg _and_ CTTE Simon McVittie <smcv@debian.org> - 2023-07-16 14:00 +0200
    Bug#1041207: debootstrap: bad NMU produces buildds not supported by dpkg _and_ CTTE Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org> - 2023-07-16 14:30 +0200
  Bug#1041207: debootstrap: bad NMU produces buildds not supported by dpkg _and_ CTTE Jonathan Carter <jcc@debian.org> - 2023-07-17 12:40 +0200

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