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| Started by | kalevi@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen) |
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| First post | 2026-04-14 19:55 +0000 |
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OT: Firefox vs Chromium on Fedora 43 kalevi@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen) - 2026-04-14 19:55 +0000
Re: OT: Firefox vs Chromium on Fedora 43 Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-04-14 20:10 -0400
Re: OT: Firefox vs Chromium on Fedora 43 Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-04-15 03:34 +0000
Re: OT: Firefox vs Chromium on Fedora 43 Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-15 08:15 +0100
Re: OT: Firefox vs Chromium on Fedora 43 kalevi@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen) - 2026-04-15 15:08 +0000
Re: OT: Firefox vs Chromium on Fedora 43 Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-04-21 20:41 +0200
Re: OT: Firefox vs Chromium on Fedora 43 kalevi@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen) - 2026-04-21 18:52 +0000
Re: OT: Firefox vs Chromium on Fedora 43 Kevin Bowling <kevin.bowling@kev009.com> - 2026-05-30 13:39 -0700
Re: OT: Firefox vs Chromium on Fedora 43 kalevi@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen) - 2026-05-30 20:46 +0000
Re: OT: Firefox vs Chromium on Fedora 43 Kevin Bowling <kevin.bowling@kev009.com> - 2026-05-30 15:59 -0700
Re: OT: Firefox vs Chromium on Fedora 43 kalevi@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen) - 2026-05-30 23:05 +0000
Re: OT: Firefox vs Chromium on Fedora 43 Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-31 08:34 +0100
Re: OT: Firefox vs Chromium on Fedora 43 Kevin Bowling <kevin.bowling@kev009.com> - 2026-05-31 02:22 -0700
Re: OT: Firefox vs Chromium on Fedora 43 Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-30 16:55 -0700
Re: OT: Firefox vs Chromium on Fedora 43 Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-31 08:26 +0100
Re: OT: Firefox vs Chromium on Fedora 43 Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-05-31 04:51 -0400
Re: OT: Firefox vs Chromium on Fedora 43 Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-01 00:22 +0000
Re: OT: Firefox vs Chromium on Fedora 43 Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-01 09:16 +0100
Re: OT: Firefox vs Chromium on Fedora 43 boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-06-01 08:18 +0000
Re: OT: Firefox vs Chromium on Fedora 43 Nicolas George <nicolas$george@salle-s.org> - 2026-06-01 14:13 +0000
Re: OT: Firefox vs Chromium on Fedora 43 boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-06-01 16:02 +0000
Re: OT: Firefox vs Chromium on Fedora 43 Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-02 00:13 +0000
Re: OT: Firefox vs Chromium on Fedora 43 boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-06-02 08:22 +0000
Re: OT: Firefox vs Chromium on Fedora 43 Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-08 00:32 +0000
Re: OT: Firefox vs Chromium on Fedora 43 boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-06-08 08:20 +0000
Re: OT: Firefox vs Chromium on Fedora 43 Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-09 00:54 +0000
Re: OT: Firefox vs Chromium on Fedora 43 boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-06-09 08:48 +0000
Re: OT: Firefox vs Chromium on Fedora 43 Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-10 00:34 +0000
Re: OT: Firefox vs Chromium on Fedora 43 boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-06-10 08:21 +0000
Re: OT: Firefox vs Chromium on Fedora 43 Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-11 04:33 +0000
Re: OT: Firefox vs Chromium on Fedora 43 boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-06-11 10:18 +0000
Re: OT: Firefox vs Chromium on Fedora 43 scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-06-01 17:14 +0000
Re: OT: Firefox vs Chromium on Fedora 43 Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-02 10:14 +0100
Re: OT: Firefox vs Chromium on Fedora 43 Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-02 00:31 +0000
Re: OT: Firefox vs Chromium on Fedora 43 Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-06-02 07:35 +0200
Re: OT: Firefox vs Chromium on Fedora 43 Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-02 06:39 +0000
Re: OT: Firefox vs Chromium on Fedora 43 scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-06-02 14:49 +0000
Re: OT: Firefox vs Chromium on Fedora 43 Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-02 10:08 +0100
Re: OT: Firefox vs Chromium on Fedora 43 Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-06-02 15:36 +0200
Re: OT: Firefox vs Chromium on Fedora 43 Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-02 10:22 +0100
Re: OT: Firefox vs Chromium on Fedora 43 cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-06-02 17:06 +0000
Re: OT: Firefox vs Chromium on Fedora 43 scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-06-02 18:47 +0000
Re: OT: Firefox vs Chromium on Fedora 43 boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-06-03 08:18 +0000
Re: OT: Firefox vs Chromium on Fedora 43 Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-02 20:40 +0100
Re: OT: Firefox vs Chromium on Fedora 43 cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-06-02 20:34 +0000
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| From | kalevi@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen) |
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| Date | 2026-04-14 19:55 +0000 |
| Subject | OT: Firefox vs Chromium on Fedora 43 |
| Message-ID | <10rm63e$d0vg$1@dont-email.me> |
Hello! Sorry for the off-topic, but I have to let others know... I have been running Firefox as my browser, always. Today I finally got tired of it being painfully slow on some sites that I regularly visit. I tried Chromium and it is so much faster! Here are the versions that I used ~ $ rpm -qi firefox Name : firefox Version : 149.0 Release : 4.fc43 Architecture: x86_64 Name : chromium Version : 146.0.7680.177 Release : 1.fc43 Architecture: x86_64 br, KK
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| From | Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-04-14 20:10 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <10rml2e$hsi5$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #17060 |
On Tue, 4/14/2026 3:55 PM, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
> Hello!
>
> Sorry for the off-topic, but I have to let others
> know...
>
> I have been running Firefox as my browser, always.
> Today I finally got tired of it being painfully
> slow on some sites that I regularly visit.
>
> I tried Chromium and it is so much faster!
>
> Here are the versions that I used
>
> ~ $ rpm -qi firefox
> Name : firefox
> Version : 149.0
> Release : 4.fc43
> Architecture: x86_64
>
> Name : chromium
> Version : 146.0.7680.177
> Release : 1.fc43
> Architecture: x86_64
>
> br,
> KK
>
https://www.zdnet.com/home-and-office/work-life/i-speed-tested-11-browsers-and-the-fastest-might-surprise-you/
"Start times [lower is better]
Chromium: 1.95 seconds \
Firefox: 1.93 seconds \___ Tests like this need a *lot* of attention to details
Chrome: 0.70 seconds / Clean OS, reboot before test run, and so on.
Speedometer 3.0 results [higher is better]
Firefox: 25.0
Chromium: 30.7
Chrome: 31.5
"
"The margins between the winners and losers here are fairly small. <===
The only reason you might switch to the fastest all-around browser (Chrome)
is if you regularly visit websites that demand speed in ways that require
switching browsers. Or maybe you're a power user who simply wants to ensure
you're using the absolute fastest browser on the market. In that case,
the choice is easy… Chrome. "
And that tells you, there is likely some configuration problem which could
be improved upon. Just an auto-proxy versus no-proxy setting could
do it. Go through the Preferences and make sure they're set the best
way possible. Then the difference between them will be smaller.
The cache on browsers, can be set to disk or set to memory. See
if both browsers are configured the same way. I like memory caching,
just to reduce wear on the SSD. If your cache2 has never been cleaned
and you set the cache size too large inadvertently, that can cause
a big problem. My brother phoned me once about browser speed, and
we decided the root cause was the humongous cache setting he was using.
There might have been something like 300,000 files in the cache at the time,
cached to a hard drive.
Paul
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-04-15 03:34 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10rn0vl$keon$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #17061 |
On Tue, 14 Apr 2026 20:10:56 -0400, Paul wrote: > My brother phoned me once about browser speed, and we decided the > root cause was the humongous cache setting he was using. There might > have been something like 300,000 files in the cache at the time, > cached to a hard drive. Caches are supposed to speed things up, not slow them down.
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| From | Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-04-15 08:15 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <10rnduf$n2fu$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #17061 |
On 2026-04-15, Paul wrote: > On Tue, 4/14/2026 3:55 PM, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote: >> Hello! >> >> Sorry for the off-topic, but I have to let others >> know... >> >> I have been running Firefox as my browser, always. >> Today I finally got tired of it being painfully >> slow on some sites that I regularly visit. >> >> I tried Chromium and it is so much faster! >> >> Here are the versions that I used >> >> ~ $ rpm -qi firefox >> Name : firefox >> Version : 149.0 >> Release : 4.fc43 >> Architecture: x86_64 >> >> Name : chromium >> Version : 146.0.7680.177 >> Release : 1.fc43 >> Architecture: x86_64 >> >> br, >> KK >> > > https://www.zdnet.com/home-and-office/work-life/i-speed-tested-11-browsers-and-the-fastest-might-surprise-you/ [ After writing the reply below I opened the article, and it is by Jack Wallen, a byname that has previously written not-so-great articles on ZDnet and who also engages in content recycling. ] see e.g. (from comp.os.linux.misc) Message-ID: <10eglkf$nnrr$1@dont-email.me> Message-ID: <10k9aif$btvl$2@dont-email.me> Message-ID: <vshpm2$6sd5$2@dont-email.me> Message-ID: <107j83e$5993$3@dont-email.me> It's possible the article is actually good, but I hope my suspicions here are understandable... > "Start times [lower is better] > > Chromium: 1.95 seconds \ > Firefox: 1.93 seconds \___ Tests like this need a *lot* of attention to details > Chrome: 0.70 seconds / Clean OS, reboot before test run, and so on. And start times arguably don't matter much, as far as they're in an acceptable ballpark. Also, could this difference be e.g. the result of the approaches used in compilation and linking? > Speedometer 3.0 results [higher is better] > > Firefox: 25.0 > Chromium: 30.7 > Chrome: 31.5 > " > > "The margins between the winners and losers here are fairly > small. <=== I'm more concerned about the difference between Chromium and Chrome. Is it really significant, or is this highlighting the marging of error? > The only reason you might switch to the fastest all-around > browser (Chrome) (Hey, I take offense to "fastest all-around browser", surely lynx and elinks might be much faster, especially if ignoring CSS and so on!) > is if you regularly visit websites that demand speed in ways that require > switching browsers. Or maybe you're a power user who simply wants to ensure > you're using the absolute fastest browser on the market. In that case, > the choice is easy… Chrome. " > > And that tells you, there is likely some configuration problem which could > be improved upon. Just an auto-proxy versus no-proxy setting could > do it. Go through the Preferences and make sure they're set the best > way possible. Then the difference between them will be smaller. > > The cache on browsers, can be set to disk or set to memory. See > if both browsers are configured the same way. I like memory caching, > just to reduce wear on the SSD. If your cache2 has never been cleaned > and you set the cache size too large inadvertently, that can cause > a big problem. My brother phoned me once about browser speed, and > we decided the root cause was the humongous cache setting he was using. > There might have been something like 300,000 files in the cache at the time, > cached to a hard drive. At one point several years ago, I disabled on-disk cache. The problem was that, besides its usefulness being questionable for most of my browsing, it IIRC caused a problem where Firefox (at least I think when this happened I was on Firefox) would become painfully slow after resuming from hibernation, because of the on-disk cache. -- Nuno Silva
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| From | kalevi@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen) |
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| Date | 2026-04-15 15:08 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10ro9l5$114r5$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #17061 |
Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote: > And that tells you, there is likely some configuration problem which could > be improved upon. Just an auto-proxy versus no-proxy setting could > do it. Go through the Preferences and make sure they're set the best > way possible. Then the difference between them will be smaller. Using the newest Firefox on Fedora 43, the site I use is sluggish as hell. When I type text, it takes 10-20 seconds for the first letters to appear. Using Chromium, everything is almpost instantaneous. The difference is just staggering. Never going back to FF anymore. br, KK
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| From | Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> |
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| Date | 2026-04-21 20:41 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <10s8gd5$1n3e3$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #17060 |
On 14.04.2026 19:55 Uhr Kalevi Kolttonen wrote: > Sorry for the off-topic, but I have to let others > know... Is there any issue posting in comp.os.linux.misc? -- kind regards Marco Send spam to 1776189326muell@stinkedores.dorfdsl.de
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| From | kalevi@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen) |
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| Date | 2026-04-21 18:52 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10s8h1g$1nfa0$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #17147 |
Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> wrote: > On 14.04.2026 19:55 Uhr Kalevi Kolttonen wrote: > >> Sorry for the off-topic, but I have to let others >> know... > > Is there any issue posting in comp.os.linux.misc? I do not think so, but I was unaware of that group. br, KK
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| From | Kevin Bowling <kevin.bowling@kev009.com> |
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| Date | 2026-05-30 13:39 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <10vfhtb$12ru$1@csiph.com> |
| In reply to | #17060 |
On 4/14/26 12:55, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote: > Hello! > > Sorry for the off-topic, but I have to let others > know... > > I have been running Firefox as my browser, always. > Today I finally got tired of it being painfully > slow on some sites that I regularly visit. > > I tried Chromium and it is so much faster! > > Here are the versions that I used > > ~ $ rpm -qi firefox > Name : firefox > Version : 149.0 > Release : 4.fc43 > Architecture: x86_64 > > Name : chromium > Version : 146.0.7680.177 > Release : 1.fc43 > Architecture: x86_64 > > br, > KK Fedora compiles Firefox with GCC and without PGO, which Mozilla uses for all their builds. So it is at least 20% slower than it should be on Fedora. Solution: https://blog.nightly.mozilla.org/2026/01/19/introducing-mozillas-firefox-nightly-rpm-package-for-rpm-based-linux-distributions/
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| From | kalevi@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen) |
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| Date | 2026-05-30 20:46 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10vfibk$13nuu$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #17150 |
Kevin Bowling <kevin.bowling@kev009.com> wrote: > On 4/14/26 12:55, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote: >> Hello! >> >> Sorry for the off-topic, but I have to let others >> know... >> >> I have been running Firefox as my browser, always. >> Today I finally got tired of it being painfully >> slow on some sites that I regularly visit. >> >> I tried Chromium and it is so much faster! >> >> Here are the versions that I used >> >> ~ $ rpm -qi firefox >> Name : firefox >> Version : 149.0 >> Release : 4.fc43 >> Architecture: x86_64 >> >> Name : chromium >> Version : 146.0.7680.177 >> Release : 1.fc43 >> Architecture: x86_64 >> >> br, >> KK > > Fedora compiles Firefox with GCC and without PGO, which Mozilla uses for > all their builds. So it is at least 20% slower than it should be on > Fedora. Solution: > https://blog.nightly.mozilla.org/2026/01/19/introducing-mozillas-firefox-nightly-rpm-package-for-rpm-based-linux-distributions/ The site I access, with Chromium works like a charm. Firefox is much slower than 20%, taking 20-30 seconds to render text. The problem I am seeing cannot be solved by using different compiler options.
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| From | Kevin Bowling <kevin.bowling@kev009.com> |
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| Date | 2026-05-30 15:59 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <10vfq4b$1ce1$1@csiph.com> |
| In reply to | #17151 |
On 5/30/26 13:46, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote: > Kevin Bowling <kevin.bowling@kev009.com> wrote: >> On 4/14/26 12:55, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote: >>> Hello! >>> >>> Sorry for the off-topic, but I have to let others >>> know... >>> >>> I have been running Firefox as my browser, always. >>> Today I finally got tired of it being painfully >>> slow on some sites that I regularly visit. >>> >>> I tried Chromium and it is so much faster! >>> >>> Here are the versions that I used >>> >>> ~ $ rpm -qi firefox >>> Name : firefox >>> Version : 149.0 >>> Release : 4.fc43 >>> Architecture: x86_64 >>> >>> Name : chromium >>> Version : 146.0.7680.177 >>> Release : 1.fc43 >>> Architecture: x86_64 >>> >>> br, >>> KK >> >> Fedora compiles Firefox with GCC and without PGO, which Mozilla uses for >> all their builds. So it is at least 20% slower than it should be on >> Fedora. Solution: >> https://blog.nightly.mozilla.org/2026/01/19/introducing-mozillas-firefox-nightly-rpm-package-for-rpm-based-linux-distributions/ > > The site I access, with Chromium works like a charm. Firefox is much slower > than 20%, taking 20-30 seconds to render text. The problem I am seeing > cannot be solved by using different compiler options. You probably did something retarded.
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| From | kalevi@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen) |
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| Date | 2026-05-30 23:05 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10vfqg3$160k5$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #17152 |
Kevin Bowling <kevin.bowling@kev009.com> wrote: > On 5/30/26 13:46, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote: >> Kevin Bowling <kevin.bowling@kev009.com> wrote: >>> On 4/14/26 12:55, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote: >>>> Hello! >>>> >>>> Sorry for the off-topic, but I have to let others >>>> know... >>>> >>>> I have been running Firefox as my browser, always. >>>> Today I finally got tired of it being painfully >>>> slow on some sites that I regularly visit. >>>> >>>> I tried Chromium and it is so much faster! >>>> >>>> Here are the versions that I used >>>> >>>> ~ $ rpm -qi firefox >>>> Name : firefox >>>> Version : 149.0 >>>> Release : 4.fc43 >>>> Architecture: x86_64 >>>> >>>> Name : chromium >>>> Version : 146.0.7680.177 >>>> Release : 1.fc43 >>>> Architecture: x86_64 >>>> >>>> br, >>>> KK >>> >>> Fedora compiles Firefox with GCC and without PGO, which Mozilla uses for >>> all their builds. So it is at least 20% slower than it should be on >>> Fedora. Solution: >>> https://blog.nightly.mozilla.org/2026/01/19/introducing-mozillas-firefox-nightly-rpm-package-for-rpm-based-linux-distributions/ >> >> The site I access, with Chromium works like a charm. Firefox is much slower >> than 20%, taking 20-30 seconds to render text. The problem I am seeing >> cannot be solved by using different compiler options. > > You probably did something retarded. If you consider accessing a website with the latest Firefox "retarded", then yes indeed, it was "retarded". However, I am happy that Chromium works while Firefox does not. What is more, I subscribed to HBO Max to see French Open tennis. Using Firefox, all I get is an error message and the video streaming does not work. With Chromium, it works. For me, it is a no-brainer to use a browser that works. br, KK
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| From | Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-05-31 08:34 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <10vgoah$1c9q2$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #17153 |
On 2026-05-31, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote: > Kevin Bowling <kevin.bowling@kev009.com> wrote: >> On 5/30/26 13:46, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote: >>> Kevin Bowling <kevin.bowling@kev009.com> wrote: >>>> On 4/14/26 12:55, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Sorry for the off-topic, but I have to let others >>>>> know... >>>>> >>>>> I have been running Firefox as my browser, always. >>>>> Today I finally got tired of it being painfully >>>>> slow on some sites that I regularly visit. >>>>> >>>>> I tried Chromium and it is so much faster! >>>>> >>>>> Here are the versions that I used >>>>> >>>>> ~ $ rpm -qi firefox >>>>> Name : firefox >>>>> Version : 149.0 >>>>> Release : 4.fc43 >>>>> Architecture: x86_64 >>>>> >>>>> Name : chromium >>>>> Version : 146.0.7680.177 >>>>> Release : 1.fc43 >>>>> Architecture: x86_64 >>>>> >>>> >>>> Fedora compiles Firefox with GCC and without PGO, which Mozilla uses for >>>> all their builds. So it is at least 20% slower than it should be on >>>> Fedora. [...] >>> >>> The site I access, with Chromium works like a charm. Firefox is much slower >>> than 20%, taking 20-30 seconds to render text. The problem I am seeing >>> cannot be solved by using different compiler options. >> [...] [Also snipping the part with the inane comment, as it can be left out] >> > However, I am happy that Chromium works while Firefox > does not. What is more, I subscribed to HBO Max to > see French Open tennis. Using Firefox, all I get is > an error message and the video streaming does not work. > > With Chromium, it works. > > For me, it is a no-brainer to use a browser that works. > > br, > KK Can you refresh my memory re: this thread: did you try different builds (namely the Mozilla one), or other systems for comparison? (I'm not saying you have to do this, nor that it's something even easy to do, can easily be hard or impossible, but if you by chance did, these are valuable and interesting data points.) I'm wondering if this really is Firefox in itself (can very well be), or if it's some other thing like OpenGL support or issues with different ffmpeg versions. -- br/yt, Nuno Silva
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| From | Kevin Bowling <kevin.bowling@kev009.com> |
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| Date | 2026-05-31 02:22 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <10vgul7$2pa8$1@csiph.com> |
| In reply to | #17153 |
On 5/30/26 16:05, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote: > Kevin Bowling <kevin.bowling@kev009.com> wrote: >> On 5/30/26 13:46, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote: >>> Kevin Bowling <kevin.bowling@kev009.com> wrote: >>>> On 4/14/26 12:55, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote: >>>>> Hello! >>>>> >>>>> Sorry for the off-topic, but I have to let others >>>>> know... >>>>> >>>>> I have been running Firefox as my browser, always. >>>>> Today I finally got tired of it being painfully >>>>> slow on some sites that I regularly visit. >>>>> >>>>> I tried Chromium and it is so much faster! >>>>> >>>>> Here are the versions that I used >>>>> >>>>> ~ $ rpm -qi firefox >>>>> Name : firefox >>>>> Version : 149.0 >>>>> Release : 4.fc43 >>>>> Architecture: x86_64 >>>>> >>>>> Name : chromium >>>>> Version : 146.0.7680.177 >>>>> Release : 1.fc43 >>>>> Architecture: x86_64 >>>>> >>>>> br, >>>>> KK >>>> >>>> Fedora compiles Firefox with GCC and without PGO, which Mozilla uses for >>>> all their builds. So it is at least 20% slower than it should be on >>>> Fedora. Solution: >>>> https://blog.nightly.mozilla.org/2026/01/19/introducing-mozillas-firefox-nightly-rpm-package-for-rpm-based-linux-distributions/ >>> >>> The site I access, with Chromium works like a charm. Firefox is much slower >>> than 20%, taking 20-30 seconds to render text. The problem I am seeing >>> cannot be solved by using different compiler options. >> >> You probably did something retarded. > > If you consider accessing a website with the latest > Firefox "retarded", then yes indeed, it was "retarded". Completely ignoring advice, proud how "correct" you are in not knowing is indeed.. retarded. You don't know how to diagnose basic issues, and seem to think a browser with 100s of millions of users is factually two magnitude slower at time to first paint. > However, I am happy that Chromium works while Firefox > does not. What is more, I subscribed to HBO Max to > see French Open tennis. Using Firefox, all I get is > an error message and the video streaming does not work. > > With Chromium, it works. > > For me, it is a no-brainer to use a browser that works. Enjoy the ads. There are chromium forks that aren't actively hostile. > br, > KK
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| From | Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-05-30 16:55 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <10vftd0$16jap$2@kst.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #17152 |
Kevin Bowling <kevin.bowling@kev009.com> writes:
> On 5/30/26 13:46, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
[...]
>> The site I access, with Chromium works like a charm. Firefox is much
>> slower than 20%, taking 20-30 seconds to render text. The problem I
>> am seeing cannot be solved by using different compiler options.
>
> You probably did something retarded.
*PLONK*
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void Void(void) { Void(); } /* The recursive call of the void */
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| From | Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-05-31 08:26 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <10vgnr2$1c9q2$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #17154 |
On 2026-05-31, Keith Thompson wrote: > Kevin Bowling <kevin.bowling@kev009.com> writes: >> On 5/30/26 13:46, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote: > [...] >>> The site I access, with Chromium works like a charm. Firefox is much >>> slower than 20%, taking 20-30 seconds to render text. The problem I >>> am seeing cannot be solved by using different compiler options. >> >> You probably did something retarded. > > *PLONK* +1, it's amazing how some people will provide litmus tests and their answers by themselves. -- Nuno Silva
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| From | Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-05-31 04:51 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <10vgsqf$1du4h$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #17151 |
On Sat, 5/30/2026 4:46 PM, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote: > Kevin Bowling <kevin.bowling@kev009.com> wrote: >> On 4/14/26 12:55, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote: >>> Hello! >>> >>> Sorry for the off-topic, but I have to let others >>> know... >>> >>> I have been running Firefox as my browser, always. >>> Today I finally got tired of it being painfully >>> slow on some sites that I regularly visit. >>> >>> I tried Chromium and it is so much faster! >>> >>> Here are the versions that I used >>> >>> ~ $ rpm -qi firefox >>> Name : firefox >>> Version : 149.0 >>> Release : 4.fc43 >>> Architecture: x86_64 >>> >>> Name : chromium >>> Version : 146.0.7680.177 >>> Release : 1.fc43 >>> Architecture: x86_64 >>> >>> br, >>> KK >> >> Fedora compiles Firefox with GCC and without PGO, which Mozilla uses for >> all their builds. So it is at least 20% slower than it should be on >> Fedora. Solution: >> https://blog.nightly.mozilla.org/2026/01/19/introducing-mozillas-firefox-nightly-rpm-package-for-rpm-based-linux-distributions/ > > The site I access, with Chromium works like a charm. Firefox is much slower > than 20%, taking 20-30 seconds to render text. The problem I am seeing > cannot be solved by using different compiler options. > In the Firefox URL bar, try about:support You can review your configuration a bit, using this in Terminal inxi -F and see what video driver you are running. One minor issue seems to be running an external monitor off HDMI on a laptop, which seems to be quite slow. Fedora has zram (compression of RAM to save memory) as an alternative to using only swap. But that's unlikely to cause text to be that slow. I use the web site "beautifier.io" to bring up a text window in Firefox. That is code that runs locally, and what you type does not go to the cloud. And that seems to be responding normally to text input, in Fedora 43 (SSD10 on Test Machine). I then installed the NVidia driver for Fedora 43, but so far, the video decoder support in the table in the "about:support" still shows only software decoders as working. Some amount of Firefox is still hardware accelerated via having that driver. Starting firefox from the Terminal is recommended, just to see why some aspect of video decoding is not working (anyway). That may affect DRM-protected materials. It looks like generally, video decoding is more of a mess than getting nvidia itself installed via rpmfusion. Paul
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-01 00:22 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10vijcd$1sqp1$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #17158 |
On Sun, 31 May 2026 04:51:27 -0400, Paul wrote:
> Starting firefox from the Terminal is recommended, just to see why
> some aspect of video decoding is not working (anyway).
If you’re looking for messages sent to stderr, systemd collects these
in its journal. You can find Firefox-related messages in your per-user
journal with something like
journalctl --user --user-unit=\*firefox\*
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| From | Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-01 09:16 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <10vjf49$22s0j$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #17161 |
On 2026-06-01, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > On Sun, 31 May 2026 04:51:27 -0400, Paul wrote: > >> Starting firefox from the Terminal is recommended, just to see why >> some aspect of video decoding is not working (anyway). > > If you’re looking for messages sent to stderr, systemd collects these > in its journal. You can find Firefox-related messages in your per-user > journal with something like > > journalctl --user --user-unit=\*firefox\* That assumes systemd is present and used for that, it is more portable to run it from a terminal or terminal emulator. -- Nuno Silva
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| From | boltar@caprica.universe |
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| Date | 2026-06-01 08:18 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10vjf8j$23ctb$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #17161 |
On Mon, 1 Jun 2026 00:22:38 -0000 (UTC) Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?= <ldo@nz.invalid> gabbled: >On Sun, 31 May 2026 04:51:27 -0400, Paul wrote: > >> Starting firefox from the Terminal is recommended, just to see why >> some aspect of video decoding is not working (anyway). > >If you’re looking for messages sent to stderr, systemd collects these >in its journal. You can find Firefox-related messages in your per-user >journal with something like > > journalctl --user --user-unit=\*firefox\* So much simpler than "grep firefox /var/log/syslog". Horray for systemd!
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| From | Nicolas George <nicolas$george@salle-s.org> |
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| Date | 2026-06-01 14:13 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <6a1d936d$0$2524$426a74cc@news.free.fr> |
| In reply to | #17164 |
boltar@caprica.universe, dans le message <10vjf8j$23ctb$1@dont-email.me>, a écrit : >>If you’re looking for messages sent to stderr, systemd collects these >>in its journal. You can find Firefox-related messages in your per-user >>journal with something like >> >> journalctl --user --user-unit=\*firefox\* > So much simpler than "grep firefox /var/log/syslog". Horray for systemd! Your mocking would work better if you were capable of explaining how a user program is able to get its standard error log to /var.
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