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Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider

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  Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2022-10-12 10:08 -0500
    Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@KVI.nl> - 2022-10-12 17:54 +0200
      Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2022-10-12 17:46 +0100
        Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2022-10-12 12:04 -0500
        Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2022-10-12 16:07 -0700
        Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2022-10-16 23:58 -0500
          Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2022-10-17 06:51 -0400
            Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider olcott <none-ya@beez-waxes.com> - 2022-10-17 09:43 -0500
              Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2022-10-17 18:33 -0400
                Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider olcott <none-ya@beez-waxes.com> - 2022-10-17 17:47 -0500
                  Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2022-10-17 19:04 -0400
                    Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2022-10-17 19:06 -0500
                      Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2022-10-17 20:52 -0400
                        Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider [Ben agrees] olcott <none-ya@beez-waxes.com> - 2022-10-17 20:03 -0500
                Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider [ Ben agrees ] olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2022-10-17 19:04 -0500
                  Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider [ Ben agrees ] Python <python@invalid.org> - 2022-10-18 02:36 +0200
                    Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider [ Ben agrees ] olcott <none-ya@beez-waxes.com> - 2022-10-17 19:56 -0500
                      Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider [ Ben agrees ] Python <python@invalid.org> - 2022-10-18 03:01 +0200
                        Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider [ Ben agrees ] olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2022-10-17 20:10 -0500
                          Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider [ Ben agrees ] Python <python@invalid.org> - 2022-10-18 03:24 +0200
                            Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider [ Ben agrees ] olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2022-10-17 20:27 -0500
                              Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider [ Ben agrees ] Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2022-10-17 21:33 -0400
                  Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider [ Ben agrees ] Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2022-10-17 20:54 -0400
                    Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider [ Ben agrees ] olcott <none-ya@beez-waxes.com> - 2022-10-17 20:06 -0500
                      Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider [ Ben agrees ] Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2022-10-17 21:26 -0400
                        Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider [ Ben agrees ] olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2022-10-17 20:35 -0500
                          Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider [ Ben agrees ] Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2022-10-17 21:46 -0400
                            Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider [ Ben agrees ] olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2022-10-17 20:57 -0500
                              Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider [ Ben agrees ] Dennis Bush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2022-10-17 19:03 -0700
                                Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider [ Ben agrees ] olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2022-10-17 21:14 -0500
                                  Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider [ Ben agrees ] Dennis Bush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2022-10-17 19:23 -0700
                                    Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider [ Ben agrees ] olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2022-10-17 21:34 -0500
                                      Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider [ Ben agrees ] Dennis Bush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2022-10-17 19:41 -0700
                                        Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider [ Ben agrees ] olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2022-10-17 21:48 -0500
                                          Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider [ Ben agrees ] Dennis Bush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2022-10-17 19:56 -0700
                                            Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider [ Ben agrees ] olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2022-10-17 22:09 -0500
                                            Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider [ Ben agrees ] olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2022-10-17 22:27 -0500
                              Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider [ Ben agrees ] Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2022-10-17 22:05 -0400
                                Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider [ Ben agrees ] olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2022-10-17 21:19 -0500
                                  Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider [ Ben agrees ] Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2022-10-17 22:32 -0400
                                    Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider [ Ben agrees ] olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2022-10-17 21:36 -0500
                                      Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider [ Ben agrees ] Paul N <gw7rib@aol.com> - 2022-10-18 05:55 -0700
                                        Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider [ Ben agrees ] olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2022-10-18 09:58 -0500
          Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider Paul N <gw7rib@aol.com> - 2022-10-17 04:59 -0700
            Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider olcott <none-ya@beez-waxes.com> - 2022-10-17 09:20 -0500
            Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider olcott <none-ya@beez-waxes.com> - 2022-10-17 09:31 -0500
      Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2022-10-12 11:48 -0500
    Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider Mr Flibble <flibble@reddwarf.jmc.corp> - 2022-10-12 18:24 +0100
      Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider olcott <none-ya@beez-waxes.com> - 2022-10-12 12:38 -0500
        Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider Mr Flibble <flibble@reddwarf.jmc.corp> - 2022-10-12 18:52 +0100
          Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2022-10-12 13:04 -0500
            Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider Mr Flibble <flibble@reddwarf.jmc.corp> - 2022-10-12 19:07 +0100
              Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2022-10-12 13:25 -0500
                Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider Mr Flibble <flibble@reddwarf.jmc.corp> - 2022-10-12 19:30 +0100
                  Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2022-10-12 14:17 -0500
                    Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider Mr Flibble <flibble@reddwarf.jmc.corp> - 2022-10-12 20:26 +0100
                      Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2022-10-12 14:32 -0500
                        Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider Mr Flibble <flibble@reddwarf.jmc.corp> - 2022-10-12 20:50 +0100
                          Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider olcott <none-ya@beez-waxes.com> - 2022-10-12 15:07 -0500
    Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider "dklei...@gmail.com" <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2022-10-12 12:32 -0700
      Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2022-10-12 15:03 -0500
        Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider "dklei...@gmail.com" <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2022-10-12 15:23 -0700
          Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider olcott <none-ya@beez-waxes.com> - 2022-10-12 17:39 -0500
            Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider Mr Flibble <flibble@reddwarf.jmc.corp> - 2022-10-13 17:17 +0100
              Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider olcott <none-ya@beez-waxes.com> - 2022-10-13 11:46 -0500
                Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider Mr Flibble <flibble@reddwarf.jmc.corp> - 2022-10-13 17:47 +0100
                  Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2022-10-13 12:26 -0500
                    Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider "B.H." <xlt.pjw@gmail.com> - 2022-10-13 13:13 -0700
                    Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2022-10-13 19:06 -0400
                      Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2022-10-13 18:22 -0500
                        Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2022-10-13 20:59 -0400
                          Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider olcott <none-ya@beez-waxes.com> - 2022-10-13 20:13 -0500
                            Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2022-10-13 21:56 -0400
                          Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2022-10-13 20:19 -0500
                            Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider Python <python@invalid.org> - 2022-10-14 03:44 +0200
                              Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider Bingo !!! olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2022-10-13 21:07 -0500
                                Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider Bingo !!! Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2022-10-13 22:21 -0400
                            Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2022-10-13 22:01 -0400
                              Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2022-10-13 21:11 -0500
                                Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2022-10-13 22:27 -0400
                                  Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider Bingo^2 olcott <none-ya@beez-waxes.com> - 2022-10-13 21:37 -0500
                                    Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider Bingo^2 Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2022-10-13 23:00 -0400
                                      Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider Bingo^2 olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2022-10-13 22:28 -0500
                                        Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider Bingo^2 Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2022-10-13 23:51 -0400
                                          Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider Bingo^2 olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2022-10-13 23:00 -0500
                                            Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider Bingo^2 Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2022-10-14 07:56 -0400
                                              Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider Bingo^2 olcott <none-ya@beez-waxes.com> - 2022-10-14 09:13 -0500
                                                Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider Bingo^2 Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2022-10-14 13:34 -0400
                                          Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider Bingo^2 olcott <none-ya@beez-waxes.com> - 2022-10-13 23:01 -0500
                                            Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider Bingo^2 Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2022-10-14 08:05 -0400
                                              Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider Bingo^2 olcott <none-ya@beez-waxes.com> - 2022-10-14 09:14 -0500
                                                Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider Bingo^2 Mr Flibble <flibble@reddwarf.jmc.corp> - 2022-10-14 15:32 +0100
                                                Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider Bingo^2 Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2022-10-14 13:01 -0400
                Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2022-10-13 19:01 -0400
        Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2022-10-12 18:42 -0400
          Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2022-10-12 17:59 -0500
            Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2022-10-12 20:04 -0400
              Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2022-10-12 20:00 -0500
                Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2022-10-12 21:52 -0400
                  Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2022-10-12 21:03 -0500
                    Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2022-10-12 22:13 -0400
                      Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider olcott <none-ya@beez-waxes.com> - 2022-10-12 21:33 -0500
                        Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2022-10-12 22:51 -0400
    Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2022-10-12 18:37 -0400
      Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2022-10-12 17:46 -0500
        Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2022-10-12 16:49 -0700
          Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider olcott <none-ya@beez-waxes.com> - 2022-10-12 19:27 -0500
            Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider (correct a typo) olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2022-10-12 19:35 -0500
              Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider (correct a typo) Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2022-10-12 20:45 -0400
                Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider (correct a typo) olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2022-10-12 20:03 -0500
                  Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider (correct a typo) Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2022-10-12 21:59 -0400
                    Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider (correct a typo) olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2022-10-12 21:07 -0500
                      Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider (correct a typo) Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2022-10-12 22:17 -0400
            Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2022-10-12 20:42 -0400
            Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2022-10-12 18:23 -0700
              Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2022-10-12 20:31 -0500
          Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2022-10-13 03:50 +0100
            Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2022-10-12 23:15 -0400
              Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider olcott <none-ya@beez-waxes.com> - 2022-10-12 22:51 -0500
                Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2022-10-13 07:50 -0400
                  Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2022-10-13 09:35 -0500
                    Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider Python <python@invalid.org> - 2022-10-13 17:54 +0200
                      Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider olcott <none-ya@beez-waxes.com> - 2022-10-13 11:28 -0500
                        Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2022-10-13 19:12 -0400
                    Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2022-10-13 19:11 -0400
              Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2022-10-13 12:29 +0100
            Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider olcott <none-ya@beez-waxes.com> - 2022-10-12 22:29 -0500
            Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider Jeff Barnett <jbb@notatt.com> - 2022-10-13 11:28 -0600
              Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2022-10-13 12:40 -0500
                Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider Mr Flibble <flibble@reddwarf.jmc.corp> - 2022-10-13 18:43 +0100
                  Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2022-10-13 12:52 -0500
                    Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider Python <python@invalid.org> - 2022-10-13 20:09 +0200
                      Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2022-10-13 13:32 -0500
                        Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider Python <python@invalid.org> - 2022-10-13 20:34 +0200
                          Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider olcott <none-ya@beez-waxes.com> - 2022-10-13 13:45 -0500
                            Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider Python <python@invalid.org> - 2022-10-13 20:51 +0200
                              Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2022-10-13 13:55 -0500
                                Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider Python <python@invalid.org> - 2022-10-13 20:58 +0200
                                  Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider olcott <none-ya@beez-waxes.com> - 2022-10-13 14:03 -0500
                                    Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider Python <python@invalid.org> - 2022-10-13 21:06 +0200
                                      Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2022-10-13 14:14 -0500
                Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider Jeff Barnett <jbb@notatt.com> - 2022-10-13 23:06 -0600
                  Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2022-10-14 00:28 -0500
                    Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2022-10-14 08:09 -0400
                      Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider olcott <none-ya@beez-waxes.com> - 2022-10-14 09:20 -0500
                        Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider Python <python@invalid.org> - 2022-10-14 16:38 +0200
                          Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider olcott <none-ya@beez-waxes.com> - 2022-10-14 10:37 -0500
                            Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider Python <python@invalid.org> - 2022-10-14 17:45 +0200
                              Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider olcott <none-ya@beez-waxes.com> - 2022-10-14 11:00 -0500
                                Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider Python <python@invalid.org> - 2022-10-14 18:07 +0200
                                  Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2022-10-14 11:36 -0500
                                    Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider Python <python@invalid.org> - 2022-10-14 18:53 +0200
                                      Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider Python <python@invalid.org> - 2022-10-14 18:59 +0200
                                      Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider olcott <none-ya@beez-waxes.com> - 2022-10-14 12:06 -0500
                                        Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider Python <python@invalid.org> - 2022-10-14 19:12 +0200
                                          Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider olcott <none-ya@beez-waxes.com> - 2022-10-14 12:24 -0500
                                            Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider Python <python@invalid.org> - 2022-10-14 19:29 +0200
                                              Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider olcott <none-ya@beez-waxes.com> - 2022-10-14 12:57 -0500
                                                Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2022-10-14 14:17 -0400
                        Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2022-10-14 13:29 -0400
                          Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider olcott <none-ya@beez-waxes.com> - 2022-10-14 13:26 -0500
                            Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2022-10-14 14:40 -0400
                              Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider olcott <none-ya@beez-waxes.com> - 2022-10-14 14:06 -0500
                                Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2022-10-14 15:52 -0400
                                  Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider olcott <none-ya@beez-waxes.com> - 2022-10-14 15:09 -0500
                                    Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2022-10-14 16:28 -0400
                                      Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider olcott <none-ya@beez-waxes.com> - 2022-10-14 15:49 -0500
                                        Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2022-10-14 17:00 -0400
                          Re: Trickery Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2022-10-15 01:21 +0100
                            Re: Trickery of Ben refusing to accept a SHD even after it has been affirmed olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2022-10-14 19:29 -0500
                              Re: Trickery of Ben refusing to accept a SHD even after it has been affirmed Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2022-10-14 20:39 -0400
                                Re: Trickery of Ben refusing to accept a SHD even after it has been affirmed Mr Flibble <flibble@reddwarf.jmc.corp> - 2022-10-15 09:40 +0100
                                  Re: Trickery of Ben refusing to accept a SHD even after it has been affirmed olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2022-10-15 08:17 -0500
                                    Re: Trickery of Ben refusing to accept a SHD even after it has been affirmed Mr Flibble <flibble@reddwarf.jmc.corp> - 2022-10-15 14:20 +0100
                                      Re: Trickery of Ben refusing to accept a SHD even after it has been affirmed olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2022-10-15 08:28 -0500
                                        Re: Trickery of Ben refusing to accept a SHD even after it has been affirmed Mr Flibble <flibble@reddwarf.jmc.corp> - 2022-10-15 14:31 +0100
                                          Re: Trickery of Ben refusing to accept a SHD even after it has been affirmed olcott <none-ya@beez-waxes.com> - 2022-10-15 09:09 -0500
                                            Re: Trickery of Ben refusing to accept a SHD even after it has been affirmed Mr Flibble <flibble@reddwarf.jmc.corp> - 2022-10-15 15:13 +0100
                                              Re: Trickery of Ben refusing to accept a SHD even after it has been affirmed olcott <none-ya@beez-waxes.com> - 2022-10-15 09:26 -0500
                                                Re: Trickery of Ben refusing to accept a SHD even after it has been affirmed Mr Flibble <flibble@reddwarf.jmc.corp> - 2022-10-15 15:30 +0100
                                                  Re: Trickery of Ben refusing to accept a SHD even after it has been affirmed [academic theft] olcott <none-ya@beez-waxes.com> - 2022-10-15 09:39 -0500
                                                    Re: Trickery of Ben refusing to accept a SHD even after it has been affirmed [academic theft] Mr Flibble <flibble@reddwarf.jmc.corp> - 2022-10-15 15:42 +0100
                                    Re: Trickery of Ben refusing to accept a SHD even after it has been affirmed wij <wyniijj2@gmail.com> - 2022-10-15 06:51 -0700
                                      Re: Trickery of Ben refusing to accept a SHD even after it has been affirmed olcott <none-ya@beez-waxes.com> - 2022-10-15 09:16 -0500
                                        Re: Trickery of Ben refusing to accept a SHD even after it has been affirmed Mr Flibble <flibble@reddwarf.jmc.corp> - 2022-10-15 15:25 +0100
                                          Re: Trickery of Ben refusing to accept a SHD even after it has been affirmed [academic theft] olcott <none-ya@beez-waxes.com> - 2022-10-15 09:36 -0500
                                            Re: Trickery of Ben refusing to accept a SHD even after it has been affirmed [academic theft] Mr Flibble <flibble@reddwarf.jmc.corp> - 2022-10-15 15:40 +0100
                                              Re: Trickery of Ben refusing to accept a SHD even after it has been affirmed [academic theft] olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2022-10-15 09:56 -0500
                                                Re: Trickery of Ben refusing to accept a SHD even after it has been affirmed [academic theft] Mr Flibble <flibble@reddwarf.jmc.corp> - 2022-10-15 16:02 +0100
                                                  Re: Trickery of Ben refusing to accept a SHD even after it has been affirmed [academic theft] olcott <none-ya@beez-waxes.com> - 2022-10-15 10:24 -0500
                                                    Re: Trickery of Ben refusing to accept a SHD even after it has been affirmed [academic theft] Mr Flibble <flibble@reddwarf.jmc.corp> - 2022-10-15 16:27 +0100
                                        Re: Trickery of Ben refusing to accept a SHD even after it has been affirmed wij <wyniijj2@gmail.com> - 2022-10-15 07:38 -0700
                                          Re: Trickery of Ben refusing to accept a SHD even after it has been affirmed olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2022-10-15 09:46 -0500
                                          Re: Trickery of Ben refusing to accept a SHD even after it has been affirmed olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2022-10-15 09:52 -0500
              Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2022-10-13 19:53 +0100
                Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2022-10-13 13:56 -0500
                  Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2022-10-13 19:17 -0400
                  Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2022-10-14 13:07 +0300
                    Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider olcott <none-ya@beez-waxes.com> - 2022-10-14 09:08 -0500
                Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2022-10-17 00:11 -0500
                  Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2022-10-17 06:54 -0400
                    Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2022-10-17 16:23 +0100
                      Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider olcott <none-ya@beez-waxes.com> - 2022-10-17 10:40 -0500
                        Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2022-10-17 18:36 -0400
                      Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider [--Ben agrees--] olcott <none-ya@beez-waxes.com> - 2022-10-17 19:41 -0500
                      Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider [--Ben agrees--] olcott <none-ya@beez-waxes.com> - 2022-10-17 19:53 -0500
                        Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider [--Ben agrees--] olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2022-10-17 19:54 -0500
                      Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider olcott <none-ya@beez-waxes.com> - 2022-10-19 16:59 -0500
                      Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider (Ben's support) olcott <none-ya@beez-waxes.com> - 2022-10-20 22:17 -0500
                      Re: Ben agrees that Sipser_H is correct according to its halt status criteria olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2022-10-20 22:41 -0500
                      Ben agrees that Sipser_H is correct according to its halt status criteria olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2022-10-21 15:03 -0500
                        Re: Ben agrees that Sipser_H is correct according to its halt status criteria [Paul N Lies] olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2022-10-22 14:20 -0500
                        Paul N is a liar or does not bother to pay attention olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2022-10-22 17:10 -0500
    Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider Philip White <philipwhite363@gmail.com> - 2022-10-12 18:51 -0700
      Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2022-10-12 20:58 -0500
        Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider Philip White <philipwhite363@gmail.com> - 2022-10-12 19:09 -0700
          Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider olcott <none-ya@beez-waxes.com> - 2022-10-12 21:32 -0500
            Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider "B.H." <xlt.pjw@gmail.com> - 2022-10-12 20:07 -0700
              Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider olcott <none-ya@beez-waxes.com> - 2022-10-12 22:36 -0500
                Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider Philip White <philipwhite363@gmail.com> - 2022-10-13 09:18 -0700
                  Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider wij <wyniijj2@gmail.com> - 2022-10-13 14:35 -0700
                    Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider Python <python@invalid.org> - 2022-10-14 02:50 +0200
                      Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider wij <wyniijj2@gmail.com> - 2022-10-13 19:09 -0700
        Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2022-10-12 22:19 -0400
      Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2022-10-12 22:05 -0400
    Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider om@iki.fi (Otto J. Makela) - 2022-10-13 10:47 +0300
      Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2022-10-13 09:33 -0500
        Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2022-10-13 10:42 -0700
          Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider olcott <none-ya@beez-waxes.com> - 2022-10-13 12:48 -0500
            Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2022-10-13 11:20 -0700
              Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2022-10-13 13:37 -0500
                Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider Mr Flibble <flibble@reddwarf.jmc.corp> - 2022-10-13 19:40 +0100
                  Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2022-10-13 13:49 -0500
                    Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider Mr Flibble <flibble@reddwarf.jmc.corp> - 2022-10-13 19:52 +0100
                Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2022-10-13 12:52 -0700
              Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2022-10-13 15:12 -0500
    Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@KVI.nl> - 2022-10-13 21:07 +0200
      Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2022-10-13 14:19 -0500
        Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@KVI.nl> - 2022-10-13 21:28 +0200
          Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2022-10-13 15:11 -0500
      Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2022-10-13 20:24 +0100
        Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2022-10-13 14:32 -0500
          Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2022-10-13 19:19 -0400
    Re: Michael Sipser of MIT validates the notion of a simulating halt decider [-Update-] olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2022-10-30 11:43 -0500

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#58462

Fromolcott <polcott2@gmail.com>
Date2022-10-13 09:35 -0500
Message-ID<ti97nq$1qfdf$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#58460
On 10/13/2022 6:50 AM, Richard Damon wrote:
> 
> On 10/12/22 11:51 PM, olcott wrote:
>> On 10/12/2022 10:15 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>> On 10/12/22 10:50 PM, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>>>> Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> writes:
>>>>>> On 10/12/2022 5:37 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>> On 10/12/22 11:08 AM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>> Professor Michael Sipser of MIT said that this verbatim paragraph
>>>>>>>> looks correct:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <quoted email to professor Sipser>
>>>>>> Here is what I would like to say:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Professor Michael Sipser of MIT said that this verbatim paragraph
>>>>>> looks correct:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     If H does correctly determine that its correct simulation
>>>>>>     of D would never stop  running unless aborted, would it be
>>>>>>     correct for H to abort this simulation and report that D
>>>>>>     specifies a non-halting sequence of configurations?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This validates the idea of a simulating halt decider referenced in
>>>>>> this paper.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rebutting the Sipser Halting Problem Proof
>>>>>> https://www.researchgate.net/publication/364302709_Rebutting_the_Sipser_Halting_Problem_Proof
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Professor Sipser has not had the time to carefully review this paper
>>>>>> presented to him.
>>>>>> </quoted email to professor Sipser>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <quoted reply from professor Sipser>
>>>>>> Looks ok.  Thanks for checking.
>>>>>> </quoted reply from professor Sipser>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> IF I drop by and ask him face to face, will he confirm this?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes.
>>>>>
>>>>> Would Professor Sipser agree that you have refuted his halting problem
>>>>> proof?
>>>>
>>>> I emailed him to let him know what PO is doing.  I don't want to 
>>>> share a
>>>> private conversation, but let's just say the exchange went exactly as
>>>> you would expect.
>>>>
>>>
>>> So I don't need to drop by campus and talk to him?
>>
>>
>> Go ahead and talk to him, get him to spend 15 minutes on my 1.5 page 
>> paper. He can skip page 2. The only thing they he does not quite fully 
>> understand is the recursive simulation that I demonstrate on page 1.
>>
>> The first half of page 1 is simply my quotes of his words. He only 
>> really needs to focus on the bottom half of page 1.
>>
>> *Rebutting the Sipser Halting Problem Proof*
>> https://www.researchgate.net/publication/364302709_Rebutting_the_Sipser_Halting_Problem_Proof
>>
>>
> 
> No, I do't need to talk to him to try to "convince" him of something 
> that is incorrect.
> 

*Professor Sipser has agreed with this*
If H does correctly determine that its correct simulation
of D would never stop running unless aborted, then it
would be correct for H to abort this simulation and report
that D specifies a non-halting sequence of configurations.

Thus negating your only objection.

-- 
Copyright 2022 Pete Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit;
Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer

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#58463

FromPython <python@invalid.org>
Date2022-10-13 17:54 +0200
Message-ID<ti9cbt$1qsg3$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#58462
Peter Olcott, demented crank, wrote:
..
> *Professor Sipser has agreed with this*
> If H does correctly determine that its correct simulation
> of D would never stop running unless aborted, then it
> would be correct for H to abort this simulation and report
> that D specifies a non-halting sequence of configurations.

sigh... he correctly agreed with a tautology "if it *correctly*
determine whatever then it would be correct to report it".

He did so to get rid of the annoying crank you are. He should
have guessed that your will use this dishonestly.

This cannot support your idiotic claim that H reporting P
to be non-halting while it is obvious that P is halting,
from its very definition.



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#58466

Fromolcott <none-ya@beez-waxes.com>
Date2022-10-13 11:28 -0500
Message-ID<ti9ebp$1bu6$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#58463
On 10/13/2022 10:54 AM, Python wrote:
> Peter Olcott, demented crank, wrote:
> ..
>> *Professor Sipser has agreed with this*
>> If H does correctly determine that its correct simulation
>> of D would never stop running unless aborted, then it
>> would be correct for H to abort this simulation and report
>> that D specifies a non-halting sequence of configurations.
> 
> sigh... he correctly agreed with a tautology "if it *correctly*
> determine whatever then it would be correct to report it".
> 
> He did so to get rid of the annoying crank you are. He should
> have guessed that your will use this dishonestly.
> 
> This cannot support your idiotic claim that H reporting P
> to be non-halting while it is obvious that P is halting,
> from its very definition.

Professor Sipser agreed that the behavior of the input D correctly 
simulated by H is the correct behavior to measure.

-- 
Copyright 2022 Pete Olcott

"Talent hits a target no one else can hit;
  Genius hits a target no one else can see."
  Arthur Schopenhauer

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#58509

FromRichard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org>
Date2022-10-13 19:12 -0400
Message-ID<%X02L.420944$SAT4.408718@fx13.iad>
In reply to#58466
On 10/13/22 12:28 PM, olcott wrote:
> On 10/13/2022 10:54 AM, Python wrote:
>> Peter Olcott, demented crank, wrote:
>> ..
>>> *Professor Sipser has agreed with this*
>>> If H does correctly determine that its correct simulation
>>> of D would never stop running unless aborted, then it
>>> would be correct for H to abort this simulation and report
>>> that D specifies a non-halting sequence of configurations.
>>
>> sigh... he correctly agreed with a tautology "if it *correctly*
>> determine whatever then it would be correct to report it".
>>
>> He did so to get rid of the annoying crank you are. He should
>> have guessed that your will use this dishonestly.
>>
>> This cannot support your idiotic claim that H reporting P
>> to be non-halting while it is obvious that P is halting,
>> from its very definition.
> 
> Professor Sipser agreed that the behavior of the input D correctly 
> simulated by H is the correct behavior to measure.
> 

Presumably based on H actually doing a correct simulation of D.
Since H doesn't, and it looks a a correct simulation of a DIFFERENT 
input, the statement doesn't hold.

FAIL.

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#58508

FromRichard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org>
Date2022-10-13 19:11 -0400
Message-ID<eW02L.420943$SAT4.352558@fx13.iad>
In reply to#58462
On 10/13/22 10:35 AM, olcott wrote:
> On 10/13/2022 6:50 AM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>
>> On 10/12/22 11:51 PM, olcott wrote:
>>> On 10/12/2022 10:15 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>> On 10/12/22 10:50 PM, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>>>>> Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>> olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> writes:
>>>>>>> On 10/12/2022 5:37 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 10/12/22 11:08 AM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Professor Michael Sipser of MIT said that this verbatim paragraph
>>>>>>>>> looks correct:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <quoted email to professor Sipser>
>>>>>>> Here is what I would like to say:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Professor Michael Sipser of MIT said that this verbatim paragraph
>>>>>>> looks correct:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     If H does correctly determine that its correct simulation
>>>>>>>     of D would never stop  running unless aborted, would it be
>>>>>>>     correct for H to abort this simulation and report that D
>>>>>>>     specifies a non-halting sequence of configurations?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This validates the idea of a simulating halt decider referenced in
>>>>>>> this paper.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rebutting the Sipser Halting Problem Proof
>>>>>>> https://www.researchgate.net/publication/364302709_Rebutting_the_Sipser_Halting_Problem_Proof 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Professor Sipser has not had the time to carefully review this paper
>>>>>>> presented to him.
>>>>>>> </quoted email to professor Sipser>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <quoted reply from professor Sipser>
>>>>>>> Looks ok.  Thanks for checking.
>>>>>>> </quoted reply from professor Sipser>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> IF I drop by and ask him face to face, will he confirm this?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Would Professor Sipser agree that you have refuted his halting 
>>>>>> problem
>>>>>> proof?
>>>>>
>>>>> I emailed him to let him know what PO is doing.  I don't want to 
>>>>> share a
>>>>> private conversation, but let's just say the exchange went exactly as
>>>>> you would expect.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So I don't need to drop by campus and talk to him?
>>>
>>>
>>> Go ahead and talk to him, get him to spend 15 minutes on my 1.5 page 
>>> paper. He can skip page 2. The only thing they he does not quite 
>>> fully understand is the recursive simulation that I demonstrate on 
>>> page 1.
>>>
>>> The first half of page 1 is simply my quotes of his words. He only 
>>> really needs to focus on the bottom half of page 1.
>>>
>>> *Rebutting the Sipser Halting Problem Proof*
>>> https://www.researchgate.net/publication/364302709_Rebutting_the_Sipser_Halting_Problem_Proof 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> No, I do't need to talk to him to try to "convince" him of something 
>> that is incorrect.
>>
> 
> *Professor Sipser has agreed with this*
> If H does correctly determine that its correct simulation
> of D would never stop running unless aborted, then it
> would be correct for H to abort this simulation and report
> that D specifies a non-halting sequence of configurations.
> 
> Thus negating your only objection.
> 

And sincd H doesn't DO a correct simulation, as the term is commonly 
known, the statement doesn't apply.

Since H doesn't actually correctly determine that teh correct simulation 
of its input would never stop, the statement doesn't apply.

Your H has determined that a DIFFERENT H, making a DIFFERENT D can be 
shown to ot halt, so it is only via invlid logic that you are applyig 
the statment.

He likely missed that you said "Its" instead of "the", or he was 
presuming the normal usage of this phase, which means that if THIS 
INSTANCE (and ONLY this instance) was changed to not abort, then the 
results are shown, note, this SPECIFICALLY means that the copy of H that 
D calls is not change to not abort.

You are just using wrong definitions and showing your stupidity.

FAIL.

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#58459

FromBen Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk>
Date2022-10-13 12:29 +0100
Message-ID<87h708j720.fsf@bsb.me.uk>
In reply to#58453
Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> writes:

> On 10/12/22 10:50 PM, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>> Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> writes:
>> 
>>> olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> writes:
>>>> On 10/12/2022 5:37 PM, Richard Damon wrote:

>>>>> IF I drop by and ask him face to face, will he confirm this?
>>>>
>>>> Yes.
>>>
>>> Would Professor Sipser agree that you have refuted his halting problem
>>> proof?
>>
>> I emailed him to let him know what PO is doing.  I don't want to share a
>> private conversation, but let's just say the exchange went exactly as
>> you would expect.
>
> So I don't need to drop by campus and talk to him?

I don't think you /need/ to and, if it were me, I'd worry that this has
already taken up more of his time than he'd want.  But if you think it's
worthwhile...

-- 
Ben.

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#58454

Fromolcott <none-ya@beez-waxes.com>
Date2022-10-12 22:29 -0500
Message-ID<ti80ni$14b3$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#58450
On 10/12/2022 9:50 PM, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
> Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> writes:
> 
>> olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> writes:
>>> On 10/12/2022 5:37 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>> On 10/12/22 11:08 AM, olcott wrote:
>>>>> Professor Michael Sipser of MIT said that this verbatim paragraph
>>>>> looks correct:
>>>
>>> <quoted email to professor Sipser>
>>> Here is what I would like to say:
>>>
>>> Professor Michael Sipser of MIT said that this verbatim paragraph
>>> looks correct:
>>>
>>>     If H does correctly determine that its correct simulation
>>>     of D would never stop  running unless aborted, would it be
>>>     correct for H to abort this simulation and report that D
>>>     specifies a non-halting sequence of configurations?
>>>
>>> This validates the idea of a simulating halt decider referenced in
>>> this paper.
>>>
>>> Rebutting the Sipser Halting Problem Proof
>>> https://www.researchgate.net/publication/364302709_Rebutting_the_Sipser_Halting_Problem_Proof
>>>
>>> Professor Sipser has not had the time to carefully review this paper
>>> presented to him.
>>> </quoted email to professor Sipser>
>>>
>>> <quoted reply from professor Sipser>
>>> Looks ok.  Thanks for checking.
>>> </quoted reply from professor Sipser>
>>>
>>>> IF I drop by and ask him face to face, will he confirm this?
>>>
>>> Yes.
>>
>> Would Professor Sipser agree that you have refuted his halting problem
>> proof?
> 

No.
> I emailed him to let him know what PO is doing.  I don't want to share a
> private conversation, but let's just say the exchange went exactly as
> you would expect.
> 

You confirmed that he talked to me that is good.

He gave me his permission to quote him. Since he validated the most 
important aspect of my proof without examining any of the other details 
I am sure that he must still believe that I am incorrect about my HP 
rebuttal. That is OK he has > 250 students. That he validated the most 
essential aspect of my proof gives me a key threshold of credibility.

*A paraphrase of the words that he agreed to*
Simulating halt decider H correctly simulates its input D until H 
correctly determines that its simulated D would never stop running 
unless aborted. Then H aborts its simulation of D and correctly reports 
that D specifies a non-halting sequence of configurations.



-- 
Copyright 2022 Pete Olcott

"Talent hits a target no one else can hit;
  Genius hits a target no one else can see."
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#58470

FromJeff Barnett <jbb@notatt.com>
Date2022-10-13 11:28 -0600
Message-ID<ti9hs6$1r9c6$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#58450
On 10/12/2022 8:50 PM, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
> Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> writes:
> 
>> olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> writes:
>>> On 10/12/2022 5:37 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>> On 10/12/22 11:08 AM, olcott wrote:
>>>>> Professor Michael Sipser of MIT said that this verbatim paragraph
>>>>> looks correct:
>>>
>>> <quoted email to professor Sipser>
>>> Here is what I would like to say:
>>>
>>> Professor Michael Sipser of MIT said that this verbatim paragraph
>>> looks correct:
>>>
>>>     If H does correctly determine that its correct simulation
>>>     of D would never stop  running unless aborted, would it be
>>>     correct for H to abort this simulation and report that D
>>>     specifies a non-halting sequence of configurations?
>>>
>>> This validates the idea of a simulating halt decider referenced in
>>> this paper.
>>>
>>> Rebutting the Sipser Halting Problem Proof
>>> https://www.researchgate.net/publication/364302709_Rebutting_the_Sipser_Halting_Problem_Proof
>>>
>>> Professor Sipser has not had the time to carefully review this paper
>>> presented to him.
>>> </quoted email to professor Sipser>
>>>
>>> <quoted reply from professor Sipser>
>>> Looks ok.  Thanks for checking.
>>> </quoted reply from professor Sipser>
>>>
>>>> IF I drop by and ask him face to face, will he confirm this?
>>>
>>> Yes.
>>
>> Would Professor Sipser agree that you have refuted his halting problem
>> proof?
> 
> I emailed him to let him know what PO is doing.  I don't want to share a
> private conversation, but let's just say the exchange went exactly as
> you would expect.
Isn't the "brushoff with implied agreement" a method to decrank one's 
mailbox that was mentioned in Dudley's "The Trisectors"? Can't find my 
copy to check it out.
-- 
Jeff Barnett

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#58471

Fromolcott <polcott2@gmail.com>
Date2022-10-13 12:40 -0500
Message-ID<ti9iiq$1rb71$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#58470
On 10/13/2022 12:28 PM, Jeff Barnett wrote:
> On 10/12/2022 8:50 PM, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>> Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>>> olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> writes:
>>>> On 10/12/2022 5:37 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>> On 10/12/22 11:08 AM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>> Professor Michael Sipser of MIT said that this verbatim paragraph
>>>>>> looks correct:
>>>>
>>>> <quoted email to professor Sipser>
>>>> Here is what I would like to say:
>>>>
>>>> Professor Michael Sipser of MIT said that this verbatim paragraph
>>>> looks correct:
>>>>
>>>>     If H does correctly determine that its correct simulation
>>>>     of D would never stop  running unless aborted, would it be
>>>>     correct for H to abort this simulation and report that D
>>>>     specifies a non-halting sequence of configurations?
>>>>
>>>> This validates the idea of a simulating halt decider referenced in
>>>> this paper.
>>>>
>>>> Rebutting the Sipser Halting Problem Proof
>>>> https://www.researchgate.net/publication/364302709_Rebutting_the_Sipser_Halting_Problem_Proof
>>>>
>>>> Professor Sipser has not had the time to carefully review this paper
>>>> presented to him.
>>>> </quoted email to professor Sipser>
>>>>
>>>> <quoted reply from professor Sipser>
>>>> Looks ok.  Thanks for checking.
>>>> </quoted reply from professor Sipser>
>>>>
>>>>> IF I drop by and ask him face to face, will he confirm this?
>>>>
>>>> Yes.
>>>
>>> Would Professor Sipser agree that you have refuted his halting problem
>>> proof?
>>
>> I emailed him to let him know what PO is doing.  I don't want to share a
>> private conversation, but let's just say the exchange went exactly as
>> you would expect.
> Isn't the "brushoff with implied agreement" a method to decrank one's 
> mailbox that was mentioned in Dudley's "The Trisectors"? Can't find my 
> copy to check it out.

Professor Sipser specifically approved this precise verbiage as the 
abstract to my paper, linked below:

<Sipser approved abstract>
MIT Professor Michael Sipser has agreed that the following verbatim 
paragraph is correct (he has not agreed to anything else in this paper):

If simulating halt decider H correctly simulates its input D until H 
correctly determines that its simulated D would never stop running 
unless aborted then H can abort its simulation of D and correctly report 
that D specifies a non-halting sequence of configurations.
</Sipser approved abstract>

to this paper:

*Rebutting the Sipser Halting Problem Proof*
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/364302709_Rebutting_the_Sipser_Halting_Problem_Proof 



-- 
Copyright 2022 Pete Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit;
Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer

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#58473

FromMr Flibble <flibble@reddwarf.jmc.corp>
Date2022-10-13 18:43 +0100
Message-ID<20221013184356.000071b1@reddwarf.jmc.corp>
In reply to#58471
On Thu, 13 Oct 2022 12:40:41 -0500
olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 10/13/2022 12:28 PM, Jeff Barnett wrote:
> > On 10/12/2022 8:50 PM, Ben Bacarisse wrote:  
> >> Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> writes:
> >>  
> >>> olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> writes:  
> >>>> On 10/12/2022 5:37 PM, Richard Damon wrote:  
> >>>>> On 10/12/22 11:08 AM, olcott wrote:  
> >>>>>> Professor Michael Sipser of MIT said that this verbatim
> >>>>>> paragraph looks correct:  
> >>>>
> >>>> <quoted email to professor Sipser>
> >>>> Here is what I would like to say:
> >>>>
> >>>> Professor Michael Sipser of MIT said that this verbatim paragraph
> >>>> looks correct:
> >>>>
> >>>>     If H does correctly determine that its correct simulation
> >>>>     of D would never stop  running unless aborted, would it be
> >>>>     correct for H to abort this simulation and report that D
> >>>>     specifies a non-halting sequence of configurations?
> >>>>
> >>>> This validates the idea of a simulating halt decider referenced
> >>>> in this paper.
> >>>>
> >>>> Rebutting the Sipser Halting Problem Proof
> >>>> https://www.researchgate.net/publication/364302709_Rebutting_the_Sipser_Halting_Problem_Proof
> >>>>
> >>>> Professor Sipser has not had the time to carefully review this
> >>>> paper presented to him.
> >>>> </quoted email to professor Sipser>
> >>>>
> >>>> <quoted reply from professor Sipser>
> >>>> Looks ok.  Thanks for checking.
> >>>> </quoted reply from professor Sipser>
> >>>>  
> >>>>> IF I drop by and ask him face to face, will he confirm this?  
> >>>>
> >>>> Yes.  
> >>>
> >>> Would Professor Sipser agree that you have refuted his halting
> >>> problem proof?  
> >>
> >> I emailed him to let him know what PO is doing.  I don't want to
> >> share a private conversation, but let's just say the exchange went
> >> exactly as you would expect.  
> > Isn't the "brushoff with implied agreement" a method to decrank
> > one's mailbox that was mentioned in Dudley's "The Trisectors"?
> > Can't find my copy to check it out.  
> 
> Professor Sipser specifically approved this precise verbiage as the 
> abstract to my paper, linked below:
> 
> <Sipser approved abstract>
> MIT Professor Michael Sipser has agreed that the following verbatim 
> paragraph is correct (he has not agreed to anything else in this
> paper):
> 
> If simulating halt decider H correctly simulates its input D until H 
> correctly determines that its simulated D would never stop running 
> unless aborted then H can abort its simulation of D and correctly
> report that D specifies a non-halting sequence of configurations.
> </Sipser approved abstract>
> 
> to this paper:
> 
> *Rebutting the Sipser Halting Problem Proof*
> https://www.researchgate.net/publication/364302709_Rebutting_the_Sipser_Halting_Problem_Proof 

That is all fine and dandy but it seems I need to remind you again that
your Olcott Simulation Detector does not correctly simulate all inputs
and as a result does not give a correct halting decision for all inputs.

/Flibble

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#58475

Fromolcott <polcott2@gmail.com>
Date2022-10-13 12:52 -0500
Message-ID<ti9j83$1rb71$4@dont-email.me>
In reply to#58473
On 10/13/2022 12:43 PM, Mr Flibble wrote:
> On Thu, 13 Oct 2022 12:40:41 -0500
> olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 10/13/2022 12:28 PM, Jeff Barnett wrote:
>>> On 10/12/2022 8:50 PM, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>>>> Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> writes:
>>>>   
>>>>> olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> writes:
>>>>>> On 10/12/2022 5:37 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>> On 10/12/22 11:08 AM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>> Professor Michael Sipser of MIT said that this verbatim
>>>>>>>> paragraph looks correct:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <quoted email to professor Sipser>
>>>>>> Here is what I would like to say:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Professor Michael Sipser of MIT said that this verbatim paragraph
>>>>>> looks correct:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>      If H does correctly determine that its correct simulation
>>>>>>      of D would never stop  running unless aborted, would it be
>>>>>>      correct for H to abort this simulation and report that D
>>>>>>      specifies a non-halting sequence of configurations?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This validates the idea of a simulating halt decider referenced
>>>>>> in this paper.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rebutting the Sipser Halting Problem Proof
>>>>>> https://www.researchgate.net/publication/364302709_Rebutting_the_Sipser_Halting_Problem_Proof
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Professor Sipser has not had the time to carefully review this
>>>>>> paper presented to him.
>>>>>> </quoted email to professor Sipser>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <quoted reply from professor Sipser>
>>>>>> Looks ok.  Thanks for checking.
>>>>>> </quoted reply from professor Sipser>
>>>>>>   
>>>>>>> IF I drop by and ask him face to face, will he confirm this?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes.
>>>>>
>>>>> Would Professor Sipser agree that you have refuted his halting
>>>>> problem proof?
>>>>
>>>> I emailed him to let him know what PO is doing.  I don't want to
>>>> share a private conversation, but let's just say the exchange went
>>>> exactly as you would expect.
>>> Isn't the "brushoff with implied agreement" a method to decrank
>>> one's mailbox that was mentioned in Dudley's "The Trisectors"?
>>> Can't find my copy to check it out.
>>
>> Professor Sipser specifically approved this precise verbiage as the
>> abstract to my paper, linked below:
>>
>> <Sipser approved abstract>
>> MIT Professor Michael Sipser has agreed that the following verbatim
>> paragraph is correct (he has not agreed to anything else in this
>> paper):
>>
>> If simulating halt decider H correctly simulates its input D until H
>> correctly determines that its simulated D would never stop running
>> unless aborted then H can abort its simulation of D and correctly
>> report that D specifies a non-halting sequence of configurations.
>> </Sipser approved abstract>
>>
>> to this paper:
>>
>> *Rebutting the Sipser Halting Problem Proof*
>> https://www.researchgate.net/publication/364302709_Rebutting_the_Sipser_Halting_Problem_Proof
> 
> That is all fine and dandy but it seems I need to remind you again that
> your Olcott Simulation Detector does not correctly simulate all inputs
> and as a result does not give a correct halting decision for all inputs.
> 
> /Flibble
> 

Strawman error.

      In computability theory, the halting problem is the problem
      of determining, from a description of an arbitrary computer
      program and an input, whether the program will finish running,
      or continue to run forever. Alan Turing proved in 1936 that a
      general algorithm to solve the halting problem for all possible
      program-input pairs cannot exist.

      For any program H that might determine if programs halt, a
      "pathological" program P, called with some input, can pass its own
      source and its input to H and then specifically do the opposite of
      what H predicts P will do. *No H can exist that handles this case*
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halting_problem

Refuting the above and all of the conventional HP proofs only requires 
an H that correctly handles that case.


-- 
Copyright 2022 Pete Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit;
Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer

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#58476

FromPython <python@invalid.org>
Date2022-10-13 20:09 +0200
Message-ID<ti9k8l$1rhuv$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#58475
Peter Olcott, demented bigot and crank wrote:
> On 10/13/2022 12:43 PM, Mr Flibble wrote:
>> On Thu, 13 Oct 2022 12:40:41 -0500
>> olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 10/13/2022 12:28 PM, Jeff Barnett wrote:
>>>> On 10/12/2022 8:50 PM, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>>>>> Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> writes:
>>>>>> olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> writes:
>>>>>>> On 10/12/2022 5:37 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 10/12/22 11:08 AM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Professor Michael Sipser of MIT said that this verbatim
>>>>>>>>> paragraph looks correct:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <quoted email to professor Sipser>
>>>>>>> Here is what I would like to say:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Professor Michael Sipser of MIT said that this verbatim paragraph
>>>>>>> looks correct:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>      If H does correctly determine that its correct simulation
>>>>>>>      of D would never stop  running unless aborted, would it be
>>>>>>>      correct for H to abort this simulation and report that D
>>>>>>>      specifies a non-halting sequence of configurations?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This validates the idea of a simulating halt decider referenced
>>>>>>> in this paper.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rebutting the Sipser Halting Problem Proof
>>>>>>> https://www.researchgate.net/publication/364302709_Rebutting_the_Sipser_Halting_Problem_Proof
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Professor Sipser has not had the time to carefully review this
>>>>>>> paper presented to him.
>>>>>>> </quoted email to professor Sipser>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <quoted reply from professor Sipser>
>>>>>>> Looks ok.  Thanks for checking.
>>>>>>> </quoted reply from professor Sipser>
>>>>>>>> IF I drop by and ask him face to face, will he confirm this?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Would Professor Sipser agree that you have refuted his halting
>>>>>> problem proof?
>>>>>
>>>>> I emailed him to let him know what PO is doing.  I don't want to
>>>>> share a private conversation, but let's just say the exchange went
>>>>> exactly as you would expect.
>>>> Isn't the "brushoff with implied agreement" a method to decrank
>>>> one's mailbox that was mentioned in Dudley's "The Trisectors"?
>>>> Can't find my copy to check it out.
>>>
>>> Professor Sipser specifically approved this precise verbiage as the
>>> abstract to my paper, linked below:
>>>
>>> <Sipser approved abstract>
>>> MIT Professor Michael Sipser has agreed that the following verbatim
>>> paragraph is correct (he has not agreed to anything else in this
>>> paper):
>>>
>>> If simulating halt decider H correctly simulates its input D until H
>>> correctly determines that its simulated D would never stop running
>>> unless aborted then H can abort its simulation of D and correctly
>>> report that D specifies a non-halting sequence of configurations.
>>> </Sipser approved abstract>
>>>
>>> to this paper:
>>>
>>> *Rebutting the Sipser Halting Problem Proof*
>>> https://www.researchgate.net/publication/364302709_Rebutting_the_Sipser_Halting_Problem_Proof
>>
>> That is all fine and dandy but it seems I need to remind you again that
>> your Olcott Simulation Detector does not correctly simulate all inputs
>> and as a result does not give a correct halting decision for all inputs.
>>
>> /Flibble
>>
> 
> Strawman error.
> 
>       In computability theory, the halting problem is the problem
>       of determining, from a description of an arbitrary computer
>       program and an input, whether the program will finish running,
>       or continue to run forever. Alan Turing proved in 1936 that a
>       general algorithm to solve the halting problem for all possible
>       program-input pairs cannot exist.
> 
>       For any program H that might determine if programs halt, a
>       "pathological" program P, called with some input, can pass its own
>       source and its input to H and then specifically do the opposite of
>       what H predicts P will do. *No H can exist that handles this case*
>       https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halting_problem
> 
> Refuting the above and all of the conventional HP proofs only requires 
> an H that correctly handles that case.

And your H fail to report correctly the behavior of P. Even you admit
so. FAIL.

How can you be that stupid Peter ?



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#58478

Fromolcott <polcott2@gmail.com>
Date2022-10-13 13:32 -0500
Message-ID<ti9lkq$1rlq0$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#58476
On 10/13/2022 1:09 PM, Python wrote:
> Peter Olcott, demented bigot and crank wrote:
>> On 10/13/2022 12:43 PM, Mr Flibble wrote:
>>> On Thu, 13 Oct 2022 12:40:41 -0500
>>> olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 10/13/2022 12:28 PM, Jeff Barnett wrote:
>>>>> On 10/12/2022 8:50 PM, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>>>>>> Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> writes:
>>>>>>> olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> writes:
>>>>>>>> On 10/12/2022 5:37 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 10/12/22 11:08 AM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Professor Michael Sipser of MIT said that this verbatim
>>>>>>>>>> paragraph looks correct:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <quoted email to professor Sipser>
>>>>>>>> Here is what I would like to say:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Professor Michael Sipser of MIT said that this verbatim paragraph
>>>>>>>> looks correct:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>      If H does correctly determine that its correct simulation
>>>>>>>>      of D would never stop  running unless aborted, would it be
>>>>>>>>      correct for H to abort this simulation and report that D
>>>>>>>>      specifies a non-halting sequence of configurations?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This validates the idea of a simulating halt decider referenced
>>>>>>>> in this paper.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Rebutting the Sipser Halting Problem Proof
>>>>>>>> https://www.researchgate.net/publication/364302709_Rebutting_the_Sipser_Halting_Problem_Proof
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Professor Sipser has not had the time to carefully review this
>>>>>>>> paper presented to him.
>>>>>>>> </quoted email to professor Sipser>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <quoted reply from professor Sipser>
>>>>>>>> Looks ok.  Thanks for checking.
>>>>>>>> </quoted reply from professor Sipser>
>>>>>>>>> IF I drop by and ask him face to face, will he confirm this?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Would Professor Sipser agree that you have refuted his halting
>>>>>>> problem proof?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I emailed him to let him know what PO is doing.  I don't want to
>>>>>> share a private conversation, but let's just say the exchange went
>>>>>> exactly as you would expect.
>>>>> Isn't the "brushoff with implied agreement" a method to decrank
>>>>> one's mailbox that was mentioned in Dudley's "The Trisectors"?
>>>>> Can't find my copy to check it out.
>>>>
>>>> Professor Sipser specifically approved this precise verbiage as the
>>>> abstract to my paper, linked below:
>>>>
>>>> <Sipser approved abstract>
>>>> MIT Professor Michael Sipser has agreed that the following verbatim
>>>> paragraph is correct (he has not agreed to anything else in this
>>>> paper):
>>>>
>>>> If simulating halt decider H correctly simulates its input D until H
>>>> correctly determines that its simulated D would never stop running
>>>> unless aborted then H can abort its simulation of D and correctly
>>>> report that D specifies a non-halting sequence of configurations.
>>>> </Sipser approved abstract>
>>>>
>>>> to this paper:
>>>>
>>>> *Rebutting the Sipser Halting Problem Proof*
>>>> https://www.researchgate.net/publication/364302709_Rebutting_the_Sipser_Halting_Problem_Proof
>>>
>>> That is all fine and dandy but it seems I need to remind you again that
>>> your Olcott Simulation Detector does not correctly simulate all inputs
>>> and as a result does not give a correct halting decision for all inputs.
>>>
>>> /Flibble
>>>
>>
>> Strawman error.
>>
>>       In computability theory, the halting problem is the problem
>>       of determining, from a description of an arbitrary computer
>>       program and an input, whether the program will finish running,
>>       or continue to run forever. Alan Turing proved in 1936 that a
>>       general algorithm to solve the halting problem for all possible
>>       program-input pairs cannot exist.
>>
>>       For any program H that might determine if programs halt, a
>>       "pathological" program P, called with some input, can pass its own
>>       source and its input to H and then specifically do the opposite of
>>       what H predicts P will do. *No H can exist that handles this case*
>>       https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halting_problem
>>
>> Refuting the above and all of the conventional HP proofs only requires 
>> an H that correctly handles that case.
> 
> And your H fail to report correctly the behavior of P. Even you admit
> so. FAIL.
> 
> How can you be that stupid Peter ?
> 

My H does report on the basis that Professor Sipser has agreed to. If 
you have not yet noticed this then perhaps you only care about rebuttal 
and do not care about an honest dialogue?

-- 
Copyright 2022 Pete Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit;
Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer

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#58479

FromPython <python@invalid.org>
Date2022-10-13 20:34 +0200
Message-ID<ti9loi$1rhuv$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#58478
Lying sinner Peter Olcott wrote:
..
>> And your H fail to report correctly the behavior of P. Even you admit
>> so. FAIL.
>>
>> How can you be that stupid Peter ?
>>
> 
> My H does report on the basis that Professor Sipser has agreed to. If 
> you have not yet noticed this then perhaps you only care about rebuttal 
> and do not care about an honest dialogue?
> 

Your H reports P to be non-halting. P halts. Pr Sipser never agreed that
such an H could be a valid halt decider. Stop lying Peter.


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#58482

Fromolcott <none-ya@beez-waxes.com>
Date2022-10-13 13:45 -0500
Message-ID<ti9mco$1b5h$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#58479
On 10/13/2022 1:34 PM, Python wrote:
> Lying sinner Peter Olcott wrote:
> ..
>>> And your H fail to report correctly the behavior of P. Even you admit
>>> so. FAIL.
>>>
>>> How can you be that stupid Peter ?
>>>
>>
>> My H does report on the basis that Professor Sipser has agreed to. If 
>> you have not yet noticed this then perhaps you only care about 
>> rebuttal and do not care about an honest dialogue?
>>
> 
> Your H reports P to be non-halting. P halts. Pr Sipser never agreed that
> such an H could be a valid halt decider. Stop lying Peter.
My simulating halt decider H correctly reports that its correct 
simulation of D must be aborted or the simulated D would never stop 
running. *This is verified on the basis of software engineering*

*Professor Sipser has agreed to these verbatim words (and no more)*
If simulating halt decider H correctly simulates its input D until H 
correctly determines that its simulated D would never stop running 
unless aborted then H can abort its simulation of D and correctly report 
that D specifies a non-halting sequence of configurations.


-- 
Copyright 2022 Pete Olcott

"Talent hits a target no one else can hit;
  Genius hits a target no one else can see."
  Arthur Schopenhauer

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#58484

FromPython <python@invalid.org>
Date2022-10-13 20:51 +0200
Message-ID<ti9mn2$1rhuv$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#58482
Lying sinner Pter Olcott wrote:
> On 10/13/2022 1:34 PM, Python wrote:
>> Lying sinner Peter Olcott wrote:
>> ..
>>>> And your H fail to report correctly the behavior of P. Even you admit
>>>> so. FAIL.
>>>>
>>>> How can you be that stupid Peter ?
>>>>
>>>
>>> My H does report on the basis that Professor Sipser has agreed to. If 
>>> you have not yet noticed this then perhaps you only care about 
>>> rebuttal and do not care about an honest dialogue?
>>>
>>
>> Your H reports P to be non-halting. P halts. Pr Sipser never agreed that
>> such an H could be a valid halt decider. Stop lying Peter.
> My simulating halt decider H correctly reports that its correct 
> simulation of D must be aborted or the simulated D would never stop 
> running. *This is verified on the basis of software engineering*
> 
> *Professor Sipser has agreed to these verbatim words (and no more)*
> If simulating halt decider H correctly simulates its input D until H 
> correctly determines that its simulated D would never stop running 
> unless aborted then H can abort its simulation of D and correctly report 
> that D specifies a non-halting sequence of configurations.

Which is a void tautology "if it is correct then it is correct"...
He just wanted to get rid of you, troll and crank.

And still:

Your H reports P to be non-halting. P halts. Pr Sipser never agreed that
such an H could be a valid halt decider. Stop lying Peter.

You'll burn in Hell, according to your own rules.


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#58487

Fromolcott <polcott2@gmail.com>
Date2022-10-13 13:55 -0500
Message-ID<ti9mu8$1rlq0$4@dont-email.me>
In reply to#58484
On 10/13/2022 1:51 PM, Python wrote:
> Lying sinner Pter Olcott wrote:
>> On 10/13/2022 1:34 PM, Python wrote:
>>> Lying sinner Peter Olcott wrote:
>>> ..
>>>>> And your H fail to report correctly the behavior of P. Even you admit
>>>>> so. FAIL.
>>>>>
>>>>> How can you be that stupid Peter ?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> My H does report on the basis that Professor Sipser has agreed to. 
>>>> If you have not yet noticed this then perhaps you only care about 
>>>> rebuttal and do not care about an honest dialogue?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Your H reports P to be non-halting. P halts. Pr Sipser never agreed that
>>> such an H could be a valid halt decider. Stop lying Peter.
>> My simulating halt decider H correctly reports that its correct 
>> simulation of D must be aborted or the simulated D would never stop 
>> running. *This is verified on the basis of software engineering*
>>
>> *Professor Sipser has agreed to these verbatim words (and no more)*
>> If simulating halt decider H correctly simulates its input D until H 
>> correctly determines that its simulated D would never stop running 
>> unless aborted then H can abort its simulation of D and correctly 
>> report that D specifies a non-halting sequence of configurations.
> 
> Which is a void tautology "if it is correct then it is correct"...
> He just wanted to get rid of you, troll and crank.
> 
> And still:
> 
> Your H reports P to be non-halting. P halts. 

P does not halt when we apply the Sipser approved criteria.
You are not applying the Sipser approved criteria.

-- 
Copyright 2022 Pete Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit;
Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer

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#58489

FromPython <python@invalid.org>
Date2022-10-13 20:58 +0200
Message-ID<ti9n3r$1rhuv$4@dont-email.me>
In reply to#58487
Disgusting liar, Peter Olcott wrote:
> On 10/13/2022 1:51 PM, Python wrote:
..
>> And still:
>>
>> Your H reports P to be non-halting. P halts. 
> 
> P does not halt when we apply the Sipser approved criteria.

This is utterly asinine, Sipser "approved criteria" is something
you've made up, moreover using his name. You should feel ASHAMED
Peter.

P(P) halts, PERIOD.

You are quite a disgusting kind of person Peter, you know?


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#58490

Fromolcott <none-ya@beez-waxes.com>
Date2022-10-13 14:03 -0500
Message-ID<ti9ndf$1q4v$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#58489
On 10/13/2022 1:58 PM, Python wrote:
> Disgusting liar, Peter Olcott wrote:
>> On 10/13/2022 1:51 PM, Python wrote:
> ..
>>> And still:
>>>
>>> Your H reports P to be non-halting. P halts. 
>>
>> P does not halt when we apply the Sipser approved criteria.
> 
> This is utterly asinine, Sipser "approved criteria" is something
> you've made up, moreover using his name. You should feel ASHAMED
> Peter.
> 
> P(P) halts, PERIOD.

*Professor Sipser has agreed to these verbatim words* (and no more)
If simulating halt decider H correctly simulates its input D until H
correctly determines that its simulated D would never stop running
unless aborted then H can abort its simulation of D and correctly report
that D specifies a non-halting sequence of configurations.

Thus H does not care about anything besides the behavior of its input 
when this input is correctly simulated by H.

-- 
Copyright 2022 Pete Olcott

"Talent hits a target no one else can hit;
  Genius hits a target no one else can see."
  Arthur Schopenhauer

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#58491

FromPython <python@invalid.org>
Date2022-10-13 21:06 +0200
Message-ID<ti9nj7$1rhuv$5@dont-email.me>
In reply to#58490
Disgusting liar, Peter Olcott wrote:
> On 10/13/2022 1:58 PM, Python wrote:
>> Disgusting liar, Peter Olcott wrote:
>>> On 10/13/2022 1:51 PM, Python wrote:
>> ..
>>>> And still:
>>>>
>>>> Your H reports P to be non-halting. P halts. 
>>>
>>> P does not halt when we apply the Sipser approved criteria.
>>
>> This is utterly asinine, Sipser "approved criteria" is something
>> you've made up, moreover using his name. You should feel ASHAMED
>> Peter.
>>
>> P(P) halts, PERIOD.
> 
> *Professor Sipser has agreed to these verbatim words* (and no more)
> If simulating halt decider H correctly simulates its input D until H
> correctly determines that its simulated D would never stop running
> unless aborted then H can abort its simulation of D and correctly report
> that D specifies a non-halting sequence of configurations.
> 
> Thus H does not care about anything besides the behavior of its input 
> when this input is correctly simulated by H.
> 

So your H incorrectly simulates P, this is what you are saying? You
make less and less sense every single day Peter...

Anyway, still H reports incorrectly that P is non halting while
P halts. Your H is still wrong.


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