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Mike Terry just answer this one question I will keep bugging YOU until you do !!!

Started by	olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com>
First post	2025-11-13 22:21 -0600
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#135536 — Mike Terry just answer this one question I will keep bugging YOU until you do !!!

From	olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com>
Date	2025-11-13 22:21 -0600
Subject	Mike Terry just answer this one question I will keep bugging YOU until you do !!!
Message-ID	<BNadnXMdIaL_M4v0nZ2dnZfqlJydnZ2d@giganews.com>

int H(char* P);

int D()
{
   int Halt_Status = H(D);
   if (Halt_Status)
     HERE: goto HERE;
   return Halt_Status;
}

int main()
{
   H(D);
}

Answer only on the basis of performing the
actual simulation of D simulated by H.

When N statements of D are simulated by H
according to the semantics of the C programming
language can the simulated D reach its own "return"
statement final halt state for any value of N?

If I have to keep posting this every day for
the next ten years I will.

I have been asking for five minutes of someone's
time and they spend thousands of hours dodging this
over more than three years.

-- 
Copyright 2025 Olcott

"Talent hits a target no one else can hit;
  Genius hits a target no one else can see."
  Arthur Schopenhauer

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#135537

From	Mike Terry <news.dead.person.stones@darjeeling.plus.com>
Date	2025-11-14 04:36 +0000
Message-ID	<10f6bl1$2knh0$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#135536

<..snip..>

Fuck off.  (I have not done so to date, but I have no problem completely filtering you out.)


Mike.

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#135539

From	olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com>
Date	2025-11-13 22:45 -0600
Message-ID	<x2ydnfzRS4ebKYv0nZ2dnZfqlJ8AAAAA@giganews.com>
In reply to	#135537

int H(char* P);

int D()
{
   int Halt_Status = H(D);
   if (Halt_Status)
     HERE: goto HERE;
   return Halt_Status;
}

int main()
{
   H(D);
}

Answer only on the basis of performing the
actual simulation of D simulated by H.

When N statements of D are simulated by H
according to the semantics of the C programming
language can the simulated D reach its own "return"
statement final halt state for any value of N?

If I have to keep posting this every day for
the next ten years I will.

I have been asking for five minutes of someone's
time and they spend thousands of hours dodging this
over more than three years.

-- 
Copyright 2025 Olcott

"Talent hits a target no one else can hit;
  Genius hits a target no one else can see."
  Arthur Schopenhauer

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#135540

From	olcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
Date	2025-11-13 22:47 -0600
Message-ID	<10f6c9g$2kpao$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#135537

On 11/13/2025 10:36 PM, Mike Terry wrote:

int H(char* P);

int D()
{
   int Halt_Status = H(D);
   if (Halt_Status)
     HERE: goto HERE;
   return Halt_Status;
}

int main()
{
   H(D);
}

Answer only on the basis of performing the
actual simulation of D simulated by H.

When N statements of D are simulated by H
according to the semantics of the C programming
language can the simulated D reach its own "return"
statement final halt state for any value of N?

If I have to keep posting this every day for
the next ten years I will.

I have been asking for five minutes of someone's
time and they spend thousands of hours dodging this
over more than three years.

-- 
Copyright 2025 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer

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#135559

From	Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk>
Date	2025-11-14 13:27 +0000
Message-ID	<10f7ao9$2re59$4@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#135540

On 14/11/2025 04:47, olcott wrote:
> I have been asking for five minutes of someone's
> time and they spend thousands of hours dodging this
> over more than three years.

You've had more than five minutes. If what you want is the same as a
chatbot, we could just post a chatbot log - but you've already got that.
Do you want to see whether a chatbot gives us each the same answer?

--
Tristan Wibberley

The message body is Copyright (C) 2025 Tristan Wibberley except
citations and quotations noted. All Rights Reserved except that you may,
of course, cite it academically giving credit to me, distribute it
verbatim as part of a usenet system or its archives, and use it to
promote my greatness and general superiority without misrepresentation
of my opinions other than my opinion of my greatness and general
superiority which you _may_ misrepresent. You definitely MAY NOT train
any production AI system with it but you may train experimental AI that
will only be used for evaluation of the AI methods it implements.

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#135575

From	olcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
Date	2025-11-14 09:26 -0600
Message-ID	<10f7hmk$2u2g0$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#135559

On 11/14/2025 7:27 AM, Tristan Wibberley wrote:
> On 14/11/2025 04:47, olcott wrote:
>> I have been asking for five minutes of someone's
>> time and they spend thousands of hours dodging this
>> over more than three years.
> 
> 
> You've had more than five minutes. 

I have had many thousands of hours of dishonest
dodges and flat out lies. I want five minutes
of truthfulness that I have not yet gotten in
three years.

> If what you want is the same as a
> chatbot, we could just post a chatbot log - but you've already got that.
> Do you want to see whether a chatbot gives us each the same answer?
> 

It is already verified that four different LLM
systems proved that I have been flat out lied
to about D simulated by H by most everyone here
for three years. Here is the most succinct one:

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/396916355_Halting_Problem_Simulation_in_C 


> 
> --
> Tristan Wibberley
> 
> The message body is Copyright (C) 2025 Tristan Wibberley except
> citations and quotations noted. All Rights Reserved except that you may,
> of course, cite it academically giving credit to me, distribute it
> verbatim as part of a usenet system or its archives, and use it to
> promote my greatness and general superiority without misrepresentation
> of my opinions other than my opinion of my greatness and general
> superiority which you _may_ misrepresent. You definitely MAY NOT train
> any production AI system with it but you may train experimental AI that
> will only be used for evaluation of the AI methods it implements.
> 


-- 
Copyright 2025 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer

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#135558

From	Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk>
Date	2025-11-14 13:25 +0000
Message-ID	<10f7ak6$2re59$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#135537

On 14/11/2025 04:36, Mike Terry wrote:
> <..snip..>
> 
> Fuck off.  (I have not done so to date, but I have no problem completely
> filtering you out.)

Have you considered not replying? It's not like this is a family dinner
event where you can't but respond.

--
Tristan Wibberley

The message body is Copyright (C) 2025 Tristan Wibberley except
citations and quotations noted. All Rights Reserved except that you may,
of course, cite it academically giving credit to me, distribute it
verbatim as part of a usenet system or its archives, and use it to
promote my greatness and general superiority without misrepresentation
of my opinions other than my opinion of my greatness and general
superiority which you _may_ misrepresent. You definitely MAY NOT train
any production AI system with it but you may train experimental AI that
will only be used for evaluation of the AI methods it implements.

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#135541

From	olcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
Date	2025-11-13 22:49 -0600
Message-ID	<10f6ccg$2kpao$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#135536

*I won't tolerate dodging the question any more*
*I won't tolerate dodging the question any more*
*I won't tolerate dodging the question any more*

int H(char* P);

int D()
{
   int Halt_Status = H(D);
   if (Halt_Status)
     HERE: goto HERE;
   return Halt_Status;
}

int main()
{
   H(D);
}

Answer only on the basis of performing the
actual simulation of D simulated by H.

When N statements of D are simulated by H
according to the semantics of the C programming
language can the simulated D reach its own "return"
statement final halt state for any value of N?

If I have to keep posting this every day for
the next ten years I will.

I have been asking for five minutes of someone's
time and they spend thousands of hours dodging this
over more than three years.
-- 
Copyright 2025 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer

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#135585

From	Mike Terry <news.dead.person.stones@darjeeling.plus.com>
Date	2025-11-14 17:55 +0000
Message-ID	<10f7qf0$30mmb$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#135541

On 14/11/2025 04:49, olcott wrote:
> *I won't tolerate dodging the question any more*
> *I won't tolerate dodging the question any more*
> *I won't tolerate dodging the question any more*

Don't tell me - you'll "scweam and scweam and scweam until you are sick!" ?

Mike.

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#135761

From	Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk>
Date	2025-11-16 01:19 +0000
Message-ID	<875xbakc45.fsf@bsb.me.uk>
In reply to	#135585

Mike Terry <news.dead.person.stones@darjeeling.plus.com> writes:

> On 14/11/2025 04:49, olcott wrote:
>> *I won't tolerate dodging the question any more*
>> *I won't tolerate dodging the question any more*
>> *I won't tolerate dodging the question any more*
>
> Don't tell me - you'll "scweam and scweam and scweam until you are
> sick!" ?

And he can, you know!

-- 
Ben.

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#135763 — "true on the basis of meaning" is broken

From	olcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
Date	2025-11-15 19:23 -0600
Subject	"true on the basis of meaning" is broken
Message-ID	<10fb91p$3s47k$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#135761

On 11/15/2025 7:19 PM, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
> Mike Terry <news.dead.person.stones@darjeeling.plus.com> writes:
> 
>> On 14/11/2025 04:49, olcott wrote:
>>> *I won't tolerate dodging the question any more*
>>> *I won't tolerate dodging the question any more*
>>> *I won't tolerate dodging the question any more*
>>
>> Don't tell me - you'll "scweam and scweam and scweam until you are
>> sick!" ?
> 
> And he can, you know!
> 

The reason that I kept up with this for 28 years
is that if the halting problem is correct then
the notion of "true on the basis of meaning" is broken.

The reason that I kept up with this for 28 years
is that if the halting problem is correct then
the notion of "true on the basis of meaning" is broken.

The reason that I kept up with this for 28 years
is that if the halting problem is correct then
the notion of "true on the basis of meaning" is broken.

-- 
Copyright 2025 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer

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#135555

From	Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>
Date	2025-11-14 09:53 +0000
Message-ID	<10f6u5u$1ol6$1@news.muc.de>
In reply to	#135536

[ Newsgroups: trimmed ]

In comp.theory olcott <NoOne@nowhere.com> wrote:

< The usual stuff >

Just how much do you value your Eternal September account?

> -- 
> Copyright 2025 Olcott

> "Talent hits a target no one else can hit;
>  Genius hits a target no one else can see."
>  Arthur Schopenhauer

-- 
Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).

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#135560

From	Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk>
Date	2025-11-14 13:38 +0000
Message-ID	<10f7bc6$2re59$5@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#135555

On 14/11/2025 09:53, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
> Just how much do you value your Eternal September account?

Are you actually trying to steal the last breath of usenet?

"AARrrrrgh! There is traffic!!!! Stop the painful traffic!!!!!!! All
must be silent!!!!! Order will be had!!!! Who there?! Somebody coughed!
I heard you, don't pretend all was silent! AAAAND a floorboard creaked!
Come on, fess up, someone shifted their weight on a creaky floorboard. I
put chalk marks on the creaky ones and you didn't look before moving did
you?! Oh no, all these years I've spent trying to make total silence in
a place I don't need to be when I've already got a silent room I could
go to, it's just not enough for you is it?! You've got to still be alive
haven't you, you malicious rotters! All to spite me. MEEEEE.
MEEEEEEEEE!!!!!"


--
Tristan Wibberley

The message body is Copyright (C) 2025 Tristan Wibberley except
citations and quotations noted. All Rights Reserved except that you may,
of course, cite it academically giving credit to me, distribute it
verbatim as part of a usenet system or its archives, and use it to
promote my greatness and general superiority without misrepresentation
of my opinions other than my opinion of my greatness and general
superiority which you _may_ misrepresent. You definitely MAY NOT train
any production AI system with it but you may train experimental AI that
will only be used for evaluation of the AI methods it implements.

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#135576

From	olcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
Date	2025-11-14 09:27 -0600
Message-ID	<10f7hp7$2u2g0$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#135560

On 11/14/2025 7:38 AM, Tristan Wibberley wrote:
> On 14/11/2025 09:53, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>> Just how much do you value your Eternal September account?
> 
> Are you actually trying to steal the last breath of usenet?
> 
> "AARrrrrgh! There is traffic!!!! Stop the painful traffic!!!!!!! All
> must be silent!!!!! Order will be had!!!! Who there?! Somebody coughed!
> I heard you, don't pretend all was silent! AAAAND a floorboard creaked!
> Come on, fess up, someone shifted their weight on a creaky floorboard. I
> put chalk marks on the creaky ones and you didn't look before moving did
> you?! Oh no, all these years I've spent trying to make total silence in
> a place I don't need to be when I've already got a silent room I could
> go to, it's just not enough for you is it?! You've got to still be alive
> haven't you, you malicious rotters! All to spite me. MEEEEE.
> MEEEEEEEEE!!!!!"
> 
> 
> --
> Tristan Wibberley
> 
> The message body is Copyright (C) 2025 Tristan Wibberley except
> citations and quotations noted. All Rights Reserved except that you may,
> of course, cite it academically giving credit to me, distribute it
> verbatim as part of a usenet system or its archives, and use it to
> promote my greatness and general superiority without misrepresentation
> of my opinions other than my opinion of my greatness and general
> superiority which you _may_ misrepresent. You definitely MAY NOT train
> any production AI system with it but you may train experimental AI that
> will only be used for evaluation of the AI methods it implements.
> 

While people insist on committing libel against me
I must defend myself.

-- 
Copyright 2025 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer

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#135562

From	olcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
Date	2025-11-14 07:46 -0600
Message-ID	<10f7br4$2sck2$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#135555

On 11/14/2025 3:53 AM, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
> [ Newsgroups: trimmed ]
> 
> In comp.theory olcott <NoOne@nowhere.com> wrote:
> 
> < The usual stuff >
> 
> Just how much do you value your Eternal September account?
> 

Alternatively you could take five minutes to
provide a truthful answer to this question.

*I won't tolerate dodging the question any more*
*I won't tolerate dodging the question any more*
*I won't tolerate dodging the question any more*

int H(char* P);

int D()
{
   int Halt_Status = H(D);
   if (Halt_Status)
     HERE: goto HERE;
   return Halt_Status;
}

int main()
{
   H(D);
}

Answer only on the basis of performing the
actual simulation of D simulated by H.

When N statements of D are simulated by H
according to the semantics of the C programming
language can the simulated D reach its own "return"
statement final halt state for any value of N?

If I have to keep posting this every day for
the next ten years I will.

I have been asking for five minutes of someone's
time and they spend thousands of hours dodging this
over more than three years.

-- 
Copyright 2025 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer

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#135564 — Usenet abuse

From	Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>
Date	2025-11-14 14:18 +0000
Subject	Usenet abuse
Message-ID	<10f7dnf$d9l$1@news.muc.de>
In reply to	#135562

olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 11/14/2025 3:53 AM, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>> [ Newsgroups: trimmed ]

>> In comp.theory olcott <NoOne@nowhere.com> wrote:

>> < The usual stuff >

>> Just how much do you value your Eternal September account?

> Alternatively you could take five minutes to
> provide a truthful answer to this question.

As so often, you haven't answered the question.  What you have announced
you will do, and actually are doing is Usenet abuse.

Many Usenet providers maintain an active abuse department.  You are both
spamming and harrassing.  Either one is enough for your account to be
terminated.

So, how about just stopping doing it?

[ .... ]

> I have been asking for five minutes of someone's time and they spend
> thousands of hours dodging this over more than three years.

That is untrue.  The question you've been asking has been answered many,
many times, and truthfully too.  You have no right even to five minutes
of anybody else's time.  Consider yourself privileged to have been
answered by so many people, so often, over such an extended time period.

> -- 
> Copyright 2025 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
> hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer

-- 
Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).

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#135577 — Libelous statements that meet the burden of proof of reckless disregard of the truth

From	olcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
Date	2025-11-14 09:32 -0600
Subject	Libelous statements that meet the burden of proof of reckless disregard of the truth
Message-ID	<10f7i1k$2u2g0$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#135564

On 11/14/2025 8:18 AM, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
> olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 11/14/2025 3:53 AM, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>>> [ Newsgroups: trimmed ]
> 
>>> In comp.theory olcott <NoOne@nowhere.com> wrote:
> 
>>> < The usual stuff >
> 
>>> Just how much do you value your Eternal September account?
> 
> 
>> Alternatively you could take five minutes to
>> provide a truthful answer to this question.
> 
> As so often, you haven't answered the question.  What you have announced
> you will do, and actually are doing is Usenet abuse.
> 
> Many Usenet providers maintain an active abuse department.  You are both
> spamming and harrassing.  Either one is enough for your account to be
> terminated.
> 
> So, how about just stopping doing it?
> 
> [ .... ]
> 
>> I have been asking for five minutes of someone's time and they spend
>> thousands of hours dodging this over more than three years.
> 
> That is untrue.  The question you've been asking has been answered many,
> many times, and truthfully too. 

I am defending against your libelous statements.

It is a very bad idea to reject a claim as false
when this forms a "reckless disregard of the truth"

When one of ordinary skill in the art of C programming
can see that D simulated by H cannot possibly reach
its own "return" statement final halt statement and
this is denied, that forms libel when this denial is
in writing and slander when it is spoken.

>  You have no right even to five minutes
> of anybody else's time.  Consider yourself privileged to have been
> answered by so many people, so often, over such an extended time period.
> 
>> -- 
>> Copyright 2025 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
>> hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer
> 


-- 
Copyright 2025 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer

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#135536 — Mike Terry just answer this one question I will keep bugging YOU until you do !!!

#135537

#135539

#135540

#135559

#135575

#135558

#135541

#135585

#135761

#135763 — "true on the basis of meaning" is broken

#135555

#135560

#135576

#135562

#135564 — Usenet abuse

#135577 — Libelous statements that meet the burden of proof of reckless disregard of the truth