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on deciding the undecidable

Started bydart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid>
First post2025-09-18 21:30 +0000
Last post2025-09-27 09:00 -0400
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  on deciding the undecidable dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-18 21:30 +0000
    Re: on deciding the undecidable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-18 16:52 -0500
      Re: on deciding the undecidable dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-18 22:02 +0000
        Re: on deciding the undecidable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-18 17:11 -0500
          Re: on deciding the undecidable dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-19 18:19 +0000
            Re: on deciding the undecidable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-19 13:24 -0500
              Re: on deciding the undecidable dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-19 18:35 +0000
                Re: on deciding the undecidable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-19 13:47 -0500
                  Re: on deciding the undecidable dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-19 18:53 +0000
              Re: on deciding the undecidable Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-19 19:14 +0000
                Re: on deciding the undecidable dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-19 19:22 +0000
                  Re: on deciding the undecidable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-19 15:01 -0500
                Re: on deciding the undecidable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-19 14:59 -0500
            Re: on deciding the undecidable Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2025-09-19 18:51 +0000
              Re: on deciding the undecidable dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-19 19:03 +0000
                Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-19 14:57 -0500
                  Re: Turing computable functions dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-19 20:14 +0000
                    Re: Turing computable functions dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-19 20:16 +0000
                    Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-19 15:23 -0500
                    Re: Turing computable functions Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-19 20:41 +0000
                      Re: Turing computable functions dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-19 20:46 +0000
                        Re: Turing computable functions Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-19 20:57 +0000
                          Re: Turing computable functions dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-19 22:55 +0000
                            Re: Turing computable functions Mike Terry <news.dead.person.stones@darjeeling.plus.com> - 2025-09-20 17:48 +0100
                    Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-19 17:04 -0500
                      Re: Turing computable functions dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-20 05:09 +0000
                  Re: Turing computable functions Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-19 20:25 +0000
                    Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-19 15:31 -0500
                    Re: Turing computable functions dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-19 20:32 +0000
                    Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-19 15:38 -0500
                      Re: Turing computable functions Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-19 20:48 +0000
                        Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-19 16:58 -0500
                  Re: Turing computable functions joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-09-19 22:11 +0000
                    Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-19 17:30 -0500
                      Re: Turing computable functions joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-09-19 22:35 +0000
                        Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-19 18:07 -0500
                          Re: Turing computable functions Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-20 00:24 +0000
                            Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-19 19:38 -0500
                              Re: Turing computable functions dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-09-19 21:09 -0400
                              Re: Turing computable functions Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-20 02:26 +0100
                                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-19 20:40 -0500
                                  Re: Turing computable functions dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-09-19 21:47 -0400
                                  Re: Turing computable functions Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-20 03:03 +0100
                                    Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-19 21:26 -0500
                                      Re: Turing computable functions Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-20 07:49 +0100
                              Re: Turing computable functions Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-20 04:40 +0000
                                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-19 23:49 -0500
                                  Re: Turing computable functions "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2025-09-20 09:55 +0200
                                    Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-20 07:40 -0500
                                  Re: Turing computable functions Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-20 17:01 +0000
                                    Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-20 12:08 -0500
                                      Re: Turing computable functions Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-20 20:40 +0000
                                        Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-20 22:59 -0500
                                          Re: Turing computable functions Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-21 06:50 +0000
                              Re: Turing computable functions joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-09-20 07:19 +0000
                                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-20 07:22 -0500
                                  Re: Turing computable functions joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-09-20 13:02 +0000
                                    Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-20 08:10 -0500
                      Re: Turing computable functions dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-19 23:00 +0000
                        Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-19 18:11 -0500
                        Re: Turing computable functions Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-20 01:08 +0100
                          Re: Turing computable functions dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-20 02:12 +0000
                            Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-19 21:39 -0500
                              Re: Turing computable functions dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-20 03:00 +0000
                                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-19 22:21 -0500
                                  Re: Turing computable functions dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-20 05:02 +0000
                                    Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-20 06:52 -0500
                                      Re: Turing computable functions dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-20 15:51 +0000
                                        Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-20 10:56 -0500
                                          Re: Turing computable functions dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-20 22:04 +0000
                                            Re: Turing computable functions dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-20 22:10 +0000
                                            Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-20 17:34 -0500
                                              Re: Turing computable functions dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-20 23:03 +0000
                                                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-20 18:07 -0500
                                                  Re: Turing computable functions dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-20 23:25 +0000
                                                    Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-20 18:40 -0500
                                                      Re: Turing computable functions dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-21 03:17 +0000
                                                        Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-20 23:02 -0500
                                                          Re: Turing computable functions Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-21 06:16 +0000
                                                      Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-20 22:23 -0500
                                                        Re: Turing computable functions dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-21 03:24 +0000
                                                          Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-20 23:04 -0500
                                                            Olcott meets Buddha Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-21 05:56 +0100
                                                            Re: Turing computable functions Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-21 06:28 +0000
                                                        Re: Turing computable functions Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-21 05:35 +0100
                                                          Re: Turing computable functions dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-20 21:54 -0700
                                                            Re: Turing computable functions Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-21 06:21 +0100
                                                              Re: Turing computable functions dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-21 05:29 +0000
                                                                Re: Turing computable functions Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-21 07:06 +0100
                                                                  Re: Turing computable functions dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-21 07:16 +0000
                                                                    Re: Turing computable functions Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-21 09:19 +0100
                                                                      Re: Turing computable functions dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-21 08:42 +0000
                                                                        Re: Turing computable functions Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-21 10:24 +0100
                                                                          Re: Turing computable functions vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-09-21 09:49 +0000
                                                                            Re: Turing computable functions Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-21 11:53 +0100
                                                                            Re: Turing computable functions --- Correctness Defined !!! olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-21 09:02 -0500
                                                                          Re: Turing computable functions dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-21 14:57 +0000
                                                                            Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-21 10:23 -0500
                                                                    Re: Turing computable functions vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-09-21 09:17 +0000
                                                                    Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-21 10:20 -0500
                                                                    Re: Turing computable functions Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-21 15:39 +0000
                                                                      Re: Turing computable functions dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-21 09:27 -0700
                                                                        Re: Turing computable functions Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2025-09-21 17:12 +0000
                                                                          Re: Turing computable functions dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-21 10:27 -0700
                                                                            Re: Turing computable functions Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2025-09-21 17:53 +0000
                                                                              Re: Turing computable functions dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-21 17:47 -0700
                                                                                Re: Turing computable functions Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-22 02:04 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Turing computable functions dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-21 20:51 -0700
                                                                                Re: Turing computable functions "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-09-21 21:17 -0700
                                                                            Re: Turing computable functions Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-21 21:54 +0100
                                                                        Re: Turing computable functions Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-21 18:52 +0000
                                                                          Re: Turing computable functions dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-21 17:33 -0700
                                                                            Re: Turing computable functions Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-22 01:59 +0000
                                                                              Re: Turing computable functions dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-21 21:52 -0700
                                                                                Re: Turing computable functions Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-22 05:31 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Turing computable functions dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-21 23:32 -0700
                                                                                    Re: Turing computable functions Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-22 08:05 +0100
                                                                                      Re: Turing computable functions dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-22 00:20 -0700
                                                                                        Re: Turing computable functions Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-22 09:14 +0100
                                                                                          Re: Turing computable functions dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-22 01:41 -0700
                                                                                            Re: Turing computable functions Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-22 10:09 +0100
                                                                                              Re: Turing computable functions dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-22 02:32 -0700
                                                                                                Re: Turing computable functions Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-22 11:52 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: Turing computable functions dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-22 09:23 -0700
                                                                                                    Re: Turing computable functions Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-22 18:49 +0100
                                                                                                      Re: Turing computable functions dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-22 10:51 -0700
                                                                                                        Re: Turing computable functions Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-22 19:11 +0100
                                                                                                          Re: Turing computable functions dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-22 11:20 -0700
                                                                                                            Re: Turing computable functions Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-22 19:54 +0100
                                                                                                              Re: Turing computable functions dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-22 12:20 -0700
                                                                                                              Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-22 20:13 -0500
                                                                                                                Re: Turing computable functions dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-09-22 21:16 -0400
                                                                                                                Re: Turing computable functions wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2025-09-23 09:22 +0800
                                                                                                                Re: Turing computable functions Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-23 07:15 +0100
                                                                                        Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-22 12:55 -0500
                                                                                          Re: Turing computable functions dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-22 11:08 -0700
                                                                                            Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-22 13:56 -0500
                                                                                    Re: Turing computable functions Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-23 19:10 +0000
                                                                                      Re: Turing computable functions dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-23 12:18 -0700
                                                                                        Re: Turing computable functions dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-23 12:32 -0700
                                                                                        Re: Turing computable functions Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-23 19:37 +0000
                                                                                          Re: Turing computable functions dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-23 13:08 -0700
                                                                                            Re: Turing computable functions Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-23 21:22 +0000
                                                                                              Re: Turing computable functions Mike Terry <news.dead.person.stones@darjeeling.plus.com> - 2025-09-24 01:00 +0100
                                                                                                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-23 19:15 -0500
                                                                                                Re: Turing computable functions dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-23 19:53 -0700
                                                                                                Re: Turing computable functions Jeff Barnett <jbb@notatt.com> - 2025-09-24 01:16 -0600
                                                                                              Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-23 19:05 -0500
                                                                                              Re: Turing computable functions dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-23 21:08 -0700
                                                                                                Re: Turing computable functions Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-24 06:35 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: Turing computable functions dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-23 23:59 -0700
                                                                                                    Re: Turing computable functions Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-24 07:11 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: Turing computable functions dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-24 18:18 -0700
                                                                                                        Re: Turing computable functions Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-25 03:11 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: Turing computable functions Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-25 04:26 +0100
                                                                                      Re: Turing computable functions Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-23 19:26 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-22 13:31 -0500
                                                                                    Re: Turing computable functions Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-22 20:10 +0100
                                                                                      Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-22 18:17 -0500
                                                                                        Re: Turing computable functions Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-23 07:00 +0100
                                                                                          Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-23 10:02 -0500
                                                                                            Re: Turing computable functions Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-23 16:29 +0100
                                                                                              Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-23 10:35 -0500
                                                                                                Re: Turing computable functions Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-23 17:08 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-23 11:29 -0500
                                                                                                    Re: Turing computable functions Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-23 18:18 +0100
                                                                                                      Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-23 12:35 -0500
                                                                                                        Re: Turing computable functions Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-23 18:46 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: Turing computable functions Mr Flibble <flibble@red-dwarf.jmc.corp> - 2025-09-23 17:21 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Turing computable functions dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-09-23 14:17 -0400
                                                                                        Re: Turing computable functions joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-09-23 10:03 +0000
                                                                                          Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-23 10:07 -0500
                                                                                            Re: Turing computable functions Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-23 16:36 +0100
                                                                                            Re: Turing computable functions dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-09-23 14:18 -0400
                                                                                    Re: Turing computable functions dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-09-22 15:12 -0400
                                                                        Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-21 14:23 -0500
                                                                      Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-21 19:45 -0500
                                                                Re: Turing computable functions vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-09-21 09:36 +0000
                                                                  Re: Turing computable functions Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-21 11:33 +0100
                                                          Re: Turing computable functions Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-21 06:33 +0000
                                                            Re: Turing computable functions Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-21 07:54 +0100
                                                    Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-21 21:34 -0500
                                                      Re: Turing computable functions "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-09-21 21:10 -0700
                                                        Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-21 23:20 -0500
                                                          Re: Turing computable functions "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-09-22 16:40 -0700
                                                      Re: Turing computable functions Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-22 04:57 +0000
                                                        Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-22 16:16 -0500
                                                          Re: Turing computable functions dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-22 14:19 -0700
                                                            Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-22 16:44 -0500
                                                              Re: Turing computable functions dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-22 14:53 -0700
                                                                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-22 17:04 -0500
                                                                  Re: Turing computable functions "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-09-22 16:46 -0700
                                                                    Re: Turing computable functions wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2025-09-23 08:04 +0800
                                                                      Re: Turing computable functions "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-09-22 18:50 -0700
                                                                  Re: Turing computable functions dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-22 21:12 -0700
                                                                    Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-22 23:29 -0500
                                                                      Re: Turing computable functions dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-22 21:34 -0700
                                                                        Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-22 23:42 -0500
                                                                          Re: Turing computable functions dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-22 21:53 -0700
                                                                            Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-23 09:16 -0500
                                                                              Re: Turing computable functions dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-23 10:24 -0700
                                                                                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-23 12:43 -0500
                                                                                  Re: Turing computable functions dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-23 11:07 -0700
                                                                                    Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-23 13:22 -0500
                                                                                      Re: Turing computable functions dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-09-23 14:30 -0400
                                                                                        Re: Turing computable functions Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-23 21:51 +0100
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                                                                                                                          Re: Turing computable functions "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-09-23 22:15 -0700
                                                                                                                            church-turing thesis debunked dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-23 22:21 -0700
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                                                                                    Re: Turing computable functions Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-24 21:58 +0100
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                                                                                      Re: Turing computable functions "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 14:26 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Turing computable functions "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 13:57 -0700
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                                                                                      Re: Turing computable functions Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-24 22:17 +0100
                                                                                      Re: Turing computable functions "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 14:47 -0700
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                                                                                          Re: Turing computable functions "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 15:07 -0700
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                                                                                              Re: Turing computable functions "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 15:19 -0700
                                                                                              Re: Turing computable functions Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-25 00:33 +0000
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                                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-19 22:35 -0500
                Re: on deciding the undecidable Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2025-09-20 13:05 +0000
                  Re: on deciding the undecidable Andy Walker <anw@cuboid.co.uk> - 2025-09-20 23:26 +0100
                    Re: on deciding the undecidable Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2025-09-21 11:46 +0000
    Re: on deciding the undecidable Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-18 21:59 +0000
      Re: on deciding the undecidable dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-18 23:03 +0000
        Re: on deciding the undecidable Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-19 01:43 +0000
          Re: on deciding the undecidable dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-19 01:55 +0000
            Re: on deciding the undecidable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-18 20:59 -0500
            Re: on deciding the undecidable Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-19 02:44 +0000
              Re: on deciding the undecidable dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-19 06:33 +0000
    Re: on deciding the undecidable Mr Flibble <flibble@red-dwarf.jmc.corp> - 2025-09-19 04:55 +0000
      Re: on deciding the undecidable dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-19 06:08 +0000
    Re: on deciding the undecidable Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-27 21:19 +0100
      Re: on deciding the undecidable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-27 15:28 -0500
        Re: on deciding the undecidable Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-27 21:55 +0100
          Re: on deciding the undecidable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-27 19:15 -0500
            Re: on deciding the undecidable Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2025-09-28 11:52 +0300
              Re: on deciding the undecidable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-28 09:21 -0500
                Re: on deciding the undecidable Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2025-09-28 20:18 -0400
                Re: on deciding the undecidable Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2025-09-29 11:28 +0300
                  Re: on deciding the undecidable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-29 10:08 -0500
                    Re: on deciding the undecidable Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2025-09-29 22:32 -0400
                    Re: on deciding the undecidable Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2025-09-30 13:27 +0300
                      limit a person's ability for critical thinking olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-30 12:53 -0500
                        Re: limit a person's ability for critical thinking Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2025-10-01 11:32 +0300
                        Re: limit a person's ability for critical thinking Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2025-10-02 07:53 -0400
    Re: on deciding the undecidable Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2025-09-27 12:44 +0300
      Re: on deciding the undecidable dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-27 12:50 -0700
        Re: on deciding the undecidable "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-09-27 12:55 -0700
      Re: on deciding the undecidable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-27 12:19 -0500
      Re: on deciding the undecidable dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-27 09:12 -0700
        Re: on deciding the undecidable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-27 11:15 -0500
          Re: on deciding the undecidable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-27 11:39 -0500
            Re: on deciding the undecidable dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-27 10:13 -0700
          Re: on deciding the undecidable Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-27 16:51 +0000
            Re: on deciding the undecidable "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-09-27 12:36 -0700
          Re: on deciding the undecidable dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-27 09:32 -0700
      Re: on deciding the undecidable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-27 13:58 -0500
        Re: on deciding the undecidable Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2025-09-28 20:18 -0400
      Re: on deciding the undecidable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-27 10:36 -0500
        Re: on deciding the undecidable Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-27 16:50 +0000
        Re: on deciding the undecidable Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2025-09-28 11:49 +0300
          Re: on deciding the undecidable sion F2 <sionf2@drum.cc> - 2025-09-28 06:30 -0500
          Re: on deciding the undecidable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-28 09:19 -0500
            Re: on deciding the undecidable Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2025-09-29 12:26 +0300
              Re: on deciding the undecidable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-29 10:25 -0500
                Re: on deciding the undecidable Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-29 16:55 +0000
                  Re: on deciding the undecidable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-29 13:12 -0500
                    Re: on deciding the undecidable Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2025-09-29 22:32 -0400
                Re: on deciding the undecidable Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2025-09-29 22:32 -0400
                Re: on deciding the undecidable Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2025-09-30 13:31 +0300
                  Re: on deciding the undecidable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-30 12:56 -0500
                    Re: on deciding the undecidable Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2025-10-01 11:36 +0300
                      Re: on deciding the undecidable Olcott's paradigm shift olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-01 08:24 -0500
                        Re: on deciding the undecidable Olcott's paradigm shift "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-10-01 22:16 -0700
                        Re: on deciding the undecidable Olcott's paradigm shift Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2025-10-02 11:39 +0300
        Re: on deciding the undecidable Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2025-09-28 20:18 -0400
    Re: on deciding the undecidable Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2025-09-27 09:00 -0400

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#130154 — Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER

From"Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com>
Date2025-09-24 13:47 -0700
SubjectRe: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER
Message-ID<10b1ldo$3tgrt$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#130142
On 9/24/2025 1:30 PM, olcott wrote:
> On 9/24/2025 3:08 PM, Kaz Kylheku wrote:
>> On 2025-09-24, olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 9/24/2025 2:14 PM, Richard Heathfield wrote:
>>>> On 24/09/2025 20:01, olcott wrote:
>>>>> On 9/24/2025 12:37 PM, Kaz Kylheku wrote:
>>>>
>>>> <snip>
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How do you explain the idea that suspending a simulation causes
>>>>>> the simuant to be non-halting, when the same subject directly
>>>>>> executed show to be halting?
>>>>>
>>>>>   From just my own two sentences (a) and (b) five LLM
>>>>> systems figured out how to correctly decide the halting
>>>>> problem's counter example input.
>>>>
>>>> Yep, and if you ask them nicely they'll tell you why you're talking
>>>> crap. But your response fails to address Kaz's question.
>>>>
>>>> Evasion and misdirection: your favourite strategies. But the trouble
>>>> with weasel words is that they make you sound like a weasel.
>>>
>>> That is counter-factual and defamation.
>>
>> It is factual; you completely dodged my question, as Richard says.
>>
> 
> They all figured out the recursive simulation non-halting
> behavior pattern on their own.
> 
> 
> 

If you pass "them" in a program like this, they will most likely all say 
its non-halting, but cleverly prints, I shall HALT:

10 PRINT "I shall HALT"
20 GOTO 10

You think that program is complicated? if so, why? I say its a very easy 
program to just look at. You seems to say now, it needs a simulator to 
lie to it???

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#130158 — Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER

From"Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com>
Date2025-09-24 13:51 -0700
SubjectRe: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER
Message-ID<10b1ll2$3tgrt$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#130154
On 9/24/2025 1:47 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> On 9/24/2025 1:30 PM, olcott wrote:
>> On 9/24/2025 3:08 PM, Kaz Kylheku wrote:
>>> On 2025-09-24, olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 9/24/2025 2:14 PM, Richard Heathfield wrote:
>>>>> On 24/09/2025 20:01, olcott wrote:
>>>>>> On 9/24/2025 12:37 PM, Kaz Kylheku wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How do you explain the idea that suspending a simulation causes
>>>>>>> the simuant to be non-halting, when the same subject directly
>>>>>>> executed show to be halting?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   From just my own two sentences (a) and (b) five LLM
>>>>>> systems figured out how to correctly decide the halting
>>>>>> problem's counter example input.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yep, and if you ask them nicely they'll tell you why you're talking
>>>>> crap. But your response fails to address Kaz's question.
>>>>>
>>>>> Evasion and misdirection: your favourite strategies. But the trouble
>>>>> with weasel words is that they make you sound like a weasel.
>>>>
>>>> That is counter-factual and defamation.
>>>
>>> It is factual; you completely dodged my question, as Richard says.
>>>
>>
>> They all figured out the recursive simulation non-halting
>> behavior pattern on their own.
>>
>>
>>
> 
> If you pass "them" in a program like this, they will most likely all say 
> its non-halting, but cleverly prints, I shall HALT:
> 
> 10 PRINT "I shall HALT"
> 20 GOTO 10
> 
> You think that program is complicated? if so, why? I say its a very easy 
> program to just look at. You seems to say now, it needs a simulator to 
> lie to it???

Just like you tried to tell me that BASIC does not handle recursion... 
Were you lying and/or just ignorant?

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#130131 — Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER

FromKaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com>
Date2025-09-24 20:07 +0000
SubjectRe: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER
Message-ID<20250924130419.173@kylheku.com>
In reply to#130103
On 2025-09-24, olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 9/24/2025 12:37 PM, Kaz Kylheku wrote:
>> How do you explain the idea that suspending a simulation causes
>> the simuant to be non-halting, when the same subject directly
>> executed show to be halting?
>> 
>
>  From just my own two sentences (a) and (b) five LLM
> systems figured out how to correctly decide the halting
> problem's counter example input.
>
><Input to LLM systems>
> Simulating Termination Analyzer HHH correctly simulates its input until:
> (a) Detects a non-terminating behavior pattern:
>      abort simulation and return 0.
> (b) Simulated input reaches its simulated "return" statement:
>      return 1.

But I'm asking about the "abort simulation": in (a). All that means
in your system is that HHH just quits the fetch-decode-execute
loop that drives the simulation.

How does that prove that the simulated procedure is non-terminating?

Because you have faith that your non-terminating behavior pattern has no
mistake whatsoever? What is the proof of that?

-- 
TXR Programming Language: http://nongnu.org/txr
Cygnal: Cygwin Native Application Library: http://kylheku.com/cygnal
Mastodon: @Kazinator@mstdn.ca

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#130133 — Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER

Fromolcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
Date2025-09-24 15:09 -0500
SubjectRe: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER
Message-ID<10b1j5s$3t0ou$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#130131
On 9/24/2025 3:07 PM, Kaz Kylheku wrote:
> On 2025-09-24, olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 9/24/2025 12:37 PM, Kaz Kylheku wrote:
>>> How do you explain the idea that suspending a simulation causes
>>> the simuant to be non-halting, when the same subject directly
>>> executed show to be halting?
>>>
>>
>>   From just my own two sentences (a) and (b) five LLM
>> systems figured out how to correctly decide the halting
>> problem's counter example input.
>>
>> <Input to LLM systems>
>> Simulating Termination Analyzer HHH correctly simulates its input until:
>> (a) Detects a non-terminating behavior pattern:
>>       abort simulation and return 0.
>> (b) Simulated input reaches its simulated "return" statement:
>>       return 1.
> 
> But I'm asking about the "abort simulation": in (a). All that means
> in your system is that HHH just quits the fetch-decode-execute
> loop that drives the simulation.
> 
> How does that prove that the simulated procedure is non-terminating?
> 

*The part that you erased*
*The part that you erased*
*The part that you erased*

All five systems figured out the recursive simulation
non-halting behavior pattern on their own.


-- 
Copyright 2025 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer

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#130165 — Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER

FromKaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com>
Date2025-09-24 21:00 +0000
SubjectRe: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER
Message-ID<20250924135850.710@kylheku.com>
In reply to#130133
On 2025-09-24, olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> wrote:
> *The part that you erased*
> *The part that you erased*
> *The part that you erased*
>
> All five systems figured out the recursive simulation

Of course I'm going to erase any embarassing blather about LLMs.

Going forward, I will try to be sure the above is the last mention I
make of the subject, and the last time I quote anything about it.

-- 
TXR Programming Language: http://nongnu.org/txr
Cygnal: Cygwin Native Application Library: http://kylheku.com/cygnal
Mastodon: @Kazinator@mstdn.ca

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#130170 — Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER

Fromolcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
Date2025-09-24 16:05 -0500
SubjectRe: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER
Message-ID<10b1me9$3ts95$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#130165
On 9/24/2025 4:00 PM, Kaz Kylheku wrote:
> On 2025-09-24, olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> wrote:
>> *The part that you erased*
>> *The part that you erased*
>> *The part that you erased*
>>
>> All five systems figured out the recursive simulation
> 
> Of course I'm going to erase any embarassing blather about LLMs.
> 
> Going forward, I will try to be sure the above is the last mention I
> make of the subject, and the last time I quote anything about it.
> 

In other words you cannot show correct reasoning
that they are incorrect probably because you know
that they are correct.

You can't believe the silly nonsense that HHH(DD)
is more than one control flow.


-- 
Copyright 2025 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer

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#130174 — Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER

FromRichard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk>
Date2025-09-24 22:15 +0100
SubjectRe: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER
Message-ID<10b1n0m$3r48q$9@dont-email.me>
In reply to#130170
On 24/09/2025 22:05, olcott wrote:
> On 9/24/2025 4:00 PM, Kaz Kylheku wrote:
>> On 2025-09-24, olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> *The part that you erased*
>>> *The part that you erased*
>>> *The part that you erased*
>>>
>>> All five systems figured out the recursive simulation
>>
>> Of course I'm going to erase any embarassing blather about LLMs.
>>
>> Going forward, I will try to be sure the above is the last 
>> mention I
>> make of the subject, and the last time I quote anything about it.
>>
> 
> In other words you cannot show correct reasoning
> that they are incorrect

Of course he can. It's not hard.

The AIs were doomed from the start, because you lied to them.

You told them HHH *correctly* simulates DD, which it doesn't.

Lies in, lies out.

-- 
Richard Heathfield
Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999
Sig line 4 vacant - apply within

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#130177 — Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER

Fromolcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
Date2025-09-24 16:20 -0500
SubjectRe: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER
Message-ID<10b1nbi$3u3l3$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#130174
On 9/24/2025 4:15 PM, Richard Heathfield wrote:
> On 24/09/2025 22:05, olcott wrote:
>> On 9/24/2025 4:00 PM, Kaz Kylheku wrote:
>>> On 2025-09-24, olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> *The part that you erased*
>>>> *The part that you erased*
>>>> *The part that you erased*
>>>>
>>>> All five systems figured out the recursive simulation
>>>
>>> Of course I'm going to erase any embarassing blather about LLMs.
>>>
>>> Going forward, I will try to be sure the above is the last mention I
>>> make of the subject, and the last time I quote anything about it.
>>>
>>
>> In other words you cannot show correct reasoning
>> that they are incorrect
> 
> Of course he can. It's not hard.
> 
> The AIs were doomed from the start, because you lied to them.
> 
> You told them HHH *correctly* simulates DD, which it doesn't.
> 
> Lies in, lies out.
> 

This is your lie not mine. I only told them this truth

<truth>
Simulating Termination Analyzer HHH correctly simulates its input until:
(a) Detects a non-terminating behavior pattern:
     abort simulation and return 0.
(b) Simulated input reaches its simulated "return" statement:
     return 1.
</truth>

 From just my own two sentences (a) and (b) five LLM
systems figured out how to correctly decide the halting
problem's counter example input.

They all figured out the recursive simulation non-halting
behavior pattern on their own.

-- 
Copyright 2025 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer

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#130188 — Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER

FromRichard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk>
Date2025-09-24 22:48 +0100
SubjectRe: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER
Message-ID<10b1ovc$3qg9i$16@dont-email.me>
In reply to#130177
On 24/09/2025 22:20, olcott wrote:
> On 9/24/2025 4:15 PM, Richard Heathfield wrote:
>> On 24/09/2025 22:05, olcott wrote:
>>> On 9/24/2025 4:00 PM, Kaz Kylheku wrote:
>>>> On 2025-09-24, olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> *The part that you erased*
>>>>> *The part that you erased*
>>>>> *The part that you erased*
>>>>>
>>>>> All five systems figured out the recursive simulation
>>>>
>>>> Of course I'm going to erase any embarassing blather about LLMs.
>>>>
>>>> Going forward, I will try to be sure the above is the last 
>>>> mention I
>>>> make of the subject, and the last time I quote anything about 
>>>> it.
>>>>
>>>
>>> In other words you cannot show correct reasoning
>>> that they are incorrect
>>
>> Of course he can. It's not hard.
>>
>> The AIs were doomed from the start, because you lied to them.
>>
>> You told them HHH *correctly* simulates DD, which it doesn't.
>>
>> Lies in, lies out.
>>
> 
> This is your lie not mine. I only told them this truth
> 
> <truth>
> Simulating Termination Analyzer HHH correctly simulates its input 
                                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

That's not truth. HHH gets DD wrong. We already explained to you 
why that's wrong.

-- 
Richard Heathfield
Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999
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#130191 — Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER

Fromolcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
Date2025-09-24 16:57 -0500
SubjectRe: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER
Message-ID<10b1ph3$3uiop$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#130188
On 9/24/2025 4:48 PM, Richard Heathfield wrote:
> On 24/09/2025 22:20, olcott wrote:
>> On 9/24/2025 4:15 PM, Richard Heathfield wrote:
>>> On 24/09/2025 22:05, olcott wrote:
>>>> On 9/24/2025 4:00 PM, Kaz Kylheku wrote:
>>>>> On 2025-09-24, olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> *The part that you erased*
>>>>>> *The part that you erased*
>>>>>> *The part that you erased*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All five systems figured out the recursive simulation
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course I'm going to erase any embarassing blather about LLMs.
>>>>>
>>>>> Going forward, I will try to be sure the above is the last mention I
>>>>> make of the subject, and the last time I quote anything about it.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In other words you cannot show correct reasoning
>>>> that they are incorrect
>>>
>>> Of course he can. It's not hard.
>>>
>>> The AIs were doomed from the start, because you lied to them.
>>>
>>> You told them HHH *correctly* simulates DD, which it doesn't.
>>>
>>> Lies in, lies out.
>>>
>>
>> This is your lie not mine. I only told them this truth
>>
>> <truth>
>> Simulating Termination Analyzer HHH correctly simulates its input 
>                                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> 
> That's not truth. HHH gets DD wrong. We already explained to you why 
> that's wrong.
> 

Correctly simulated is defined by the semantics
of C not your stupidly incorrect expectations.

DD does specify that it does call HHH(DD) in
recursive simulation. Anyone that is competent
that disagrees is a liar. This might get you
condemned to actual Hell if such a place exists.


-- 
Copyright 2025 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer

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#130195 — Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER

From"Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com>
Date2025-09-24 15:15 -0700
SubjectRe: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER
Message-ID<10b1qhc$3tgrt$6@dont-email.me>
In reply to#130191
On 9/24/2025 2:57 PM, olcott wrote:
> On 9/24/2025 4:48 PM, Richard Heathfield wrote:
>> On 24/09/2025 22:20, olcott wrote:
>>> On 9/24/2025 4:15 PM, Richard Heathfield wrote:
>>>> On 24/09/2025 22:05, olcott wrote:
>>>>> On 9/24/2025 4:00 PM, Kaz Kylheku wrote:
>>>>>> On 2025-09-24, olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> *The part that you erased*
>>>>>>> *The part that you erased*
>>>>>>> *The part that you erased*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All five systems figured out the recursive simulation
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Of course I'm going to erase any embarassing blather about LLMs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Going forward, I will try to be sure the above is the last mention I
>>>>>> make of the subject, and the last time I quote anything about it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> In other words you cannot show correct reasoning
>>>>> that they are incorrect
>>>>
>>>> Of course he can. It's not hard.
>>>>
>>>> The AIs were doomed from the start, because you lied to them.
>>>>
>>>> You told them HHH *correctly* simulates DD, which it doesn't.
>>>>
>>>> Lies in, lies out.
>>>>
>>>
>>> This is your lie not mine. I only told them this truth
>>>
>>> <truth>
>>> Simulating Termination Analyzer HHH correctly simulates its input 
>>                                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>
>> That's not truth. HHH gets DD wrong. We already explained to you why 
>> that's wrong.
>>
> 
> Correctly simulated is defined by the semantics
> of C not your stupidly incorrect expectations.
> 
> DD does specify that it does call HHH(DD) in
> recursive simulation. 

So this is different than just a "normal DD" that does it own thing, and 
does not call into HHH(*), right? Your example is moronic?

How, I think dart asked this, is there a way to write up a DD that does 
call HHH?



> Anyone that is competent
> that disagrees is a liar. This might get you
> condemned to actual Hell if such a place exists.
> 
> 

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#130197 — Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER

From"Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com>
Date2025-09-24 15:21 -0700
SubjectRe: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER
Message-ID<10b1qt7$3tgrt$8@dont-email.me>
In reply to#130195
On 9/24/2025 3:15 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> On 9/24/2025 2:57 PM, olcott wrote:
[...]
> How, I think dart asked this, is there a way to write up a DD that does 
> call HHH?
[...]

God damn it! I meant:

How, I think dart asked this, is there a way to write up a DD that does 
_NOT_ call HHH?

God damn typos! Sorry... ;^o

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#130198 — Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER

FromRichard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk>
Date2025-09-24 23:38 +0100
SubjectRe: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER
Message-ID<10b1rtn$3v7g3$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#130191
On 24/09/2025 22:57, olcott wrote:
> On 9/24/2025 4:48 PM, Richard Heathfield wrote:
>> On 24/09/2025 22:20, olcott wrote:
>>> On 9/24/2025 4:15 PM, Richard Heathfield wrote:
>>>> On 24/09/2025 22:05, olcott wrote:
>>>>> On 9/24/2025 4:00 PM, Kaz Kylheku wrote:
>>>>>> On 2025-09-24, olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> *The part that you erased*
>>>>>>> *The part that you erased*
>>>>>>> *The part that you erased*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All five systems figured out the recursive simulation
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Of course I'm going to erase any embarassing blather about 
>>>>>> LLMs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Going forward, I will try to be sure the above is the last 
>>>>>> mention I
>>>>>> make of the subject, and the last time I quote anything 
>>>>>> about it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> In other words you cannot show correct reasoning
>>>>> that they are incorrect
>>>>
>>>> Of course he can. It's not hard.
>>>>
>>>> The AIs were doomed from the start, because you lied to them.
>>>>
>>>> You told them HHH *correctly* simulates DD, which it doesn't.
>>>>
>>>> Lies in, lies out.
>>>>
>>>
>>> This is your lie not mine. I only told them this truth
>>>
>>> <truth>
>>> Simulating Termination Analyzer HHH correctly simulates its input 
>>                                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>
>> That's not truth. HHH gets DD wrong. We already explained to 
>> you why that's wrong.
>>
> 
> Correctly simulated is defined by the semantics
> of C

Not so. If I took your Halt7.c and removed everything that isn't 
defined by the semantics of C, there'd be precious little left, 
and certainly nothing worth compiling.

> not your stupidly incorrect expectations.

Oh, no, HHH meets my expectations.

It doesn't work.

> DD does specify that it does call HHH(DD) in
> recursive simulation.

No, it just specifies a call to HHH. There's no recursion 
involved. For that to happen, a function would have to call 
itself, or two functions would have to call each other.

DD doesn't call itself. DD does call HHH, but last I checked HHH 
doesn't call DD. HHH doesn't call itself either.

There is no recursion.

> Anyone that is competent that disagrees is a liar.

I'll let others make up their own minds whether they consider me 
competent, but I most definitely disagree that DD recurses.

In fact, DD doesn't actually appear on the call graph for Halt7.c.

The only recursion I can see is in factorial, Infinite_Recursion, 
Infinite_Recursion3, and a cosily incestuous daisy-chain from 
Recursion_Chain_01 to Recursion_Chain_02 to Recursion_Chain_03 
and back to Recursion_Chain_01.

The call graph is a hundred lines of dot code; if anyone wants a 
copy, drop me an email. Caveat: it's a bloody mess.

-- 
Richard Heathfield
Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999
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#130199 — Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER

Fromolcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
Date2025-09-24 17:43 -0500
SubjectRe: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER
Message-ID<10b1s78$3v7g5$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#130198
On 9/24/2025 5:38 PM, Richard Heathfield wrote:
> On 24/09/2025 22:57, olcott wrote:
>>
>> Correctly simulated is defined by the semantics
>> of C
> 
> Not so. If I took your Halt7.c and removed everything that isn't defined 
> by the semantics of C, there'd be precious little left, and certainly 
> nothing worth compiling.
> 
You understand that an input can be defined that
attempts to thwart a specific decider yet fail
to understand that another different decider can
decide this same input.

-- 
Copyright 2025 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer

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#130200 — Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER

FromRichard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk>
Date2025-09-24 23:54 +0100
SubjectRe: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER
Message-ID<10b1ss0$3vbme$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#130199
On 24/09/2025 23:43, olcott wrote:
> On 9/24/2025 5:38 PM, Richard Heathfield wrote:
>> On 24/09/2025 22:57, olcott wrote:
>>>
>>> Correctly simulated is defined by the semantics
>>> of C
>>
>> Not so. If I took your Halt7.c and removed everything that 
>> isn't defined by the semantics of C, there'd be precious little 
>> left, and certainly nothing worth compiling.
>>
> You understand that an input can be defined that
> attempts to thwart a specific decider yet fail
> to understand that another different decider can
> decide this same input.

I understand that a diagonal case for one decider can be beaten 
by another decider, and that that decider has its own diagonal 
case that it can't defeat.

The command line, for example, does a perfectly good job of 
deciding DD - and it isn't even supposed to be a decider!

DD halts, by the way.

Since we're being so understanding, I trust you understand that 
you're in no position to talk about C semantics.

-- 
Richard Heathfield
Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999
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#130202 — Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER

Fromolcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
Date2025-09-24 19:12 -0500
SubjectRe: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER
Message-ID<10b21dp$ff5$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#130200
On 9/24/2025 5:54 PM, Richard Heathfield wrote:
> On 24/09/2025 23:43, olcott wrote:
>> On 9/24/2025 5:38 PM, Richard Heathfield wrote:
>>> On 24/09/2025 22:57, olcott wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Correctly simulated is defined by the semantics
>>>> of C
>>>
>>> Not so. If I took your Halt7.c and removed everything that isn't 
>>> defined by the semantics of C, there'd be precious little left, and 
>>> certainly nothing worth compiling.
>>>
>> You understand that an input can be defined that
>> attempts to thwart a specific decider yet fail
>> to understand that another different decider can
>> decide this same input.
> 
> I understand that a diagonal case for one decider can be beaten by 
> another decider, and that that decider has its own diagonal case that it 
> can't defeat.
> 

Then you understand that this decider pair is HHH/HHH1
with the input DD. Thus you can infer from this that
the behavior of DD relative to HHH is different than
the the behavior of DD relative to HHH1.

> The command line, for example, does a perfectly good job of deciding DD 
> - and it isn't even supposed to be a decider!
> 
> DD halts, by the way.
> 
> Since we're being so understanding, I trust you understand that you're 
> in no position to talk about C semantics.
> 

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#130211 — Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER

FromKaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com>
Date2025-09-25 00:44 +0000
SubjectRe: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER
Message-ID<20250924174225.329@kylheku.com>
In reply to#130202
On 2025-09-25, olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 9/24/2025 5:54 PM, Richard Heathfield wrote:
>> On 24/09/2025 23:43, olcott wrote:
>>> On 9/24/2025 5:38 PM, Richard Heathfield wrote:
>>>> On 24/09/2025 22:57, olcott wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Correctly simulated is defined by the semantics
>>>>> of C
>>>>
>>>> Not so. If I took your Halt7.c and removed everything that isn't 
>>>> defined by the semantics of C, there'd be precious little left, and 
>>>> certainly nothing worth compiling.
>>>>
>>> You understand that an input can be defined that
>>> attempts to thwart a specific decider yet fail
>>> to understand that another different decider can
>>> decide this same input.
>> 
>> I understand that a diagonal case for one decider can be beaten by 
>> another decider, and that that decider has its own diagonal case that it 
>> can't defeat.
>> 
>
> Then you understand that this decider pair is HHH/HHH1
> with the input DD. Thus you can infer from this that
> the behavior of DD relative to HHH is different than
> the the behavior of DD relative to HHH1.

If HHH and HHH1 are completely different deciders, and DD
is built on HHH, not calling into HH1, then:

   HH1 has no relationship with DD.

DD does not hae two different behaviors in connection with HHH1 and HHH.
DD's behavior is determined by HHH(DD) and is completely
disconnected from HHH1.

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#130215 — Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER

Fromolcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
Date2025-09-24 19:50 -0500
SubjectRe: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER
Message-ID<10b23k9$rik$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#130211
On 9/24/2025 7:44 PM, Kaz Kylheku wrote:
> On 2025-09-25, olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 9/24/2025 5:54 PM, Richard Heathfield wrote:
>>> On 24/09/2025 23:43, olcott wrote:
>>>> On 9/24/2025 5:38 PM, Richard Heathfield wrote:
>>>>> On 24/09/2025 22:57, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Correctly simulated is defined by the semantics
>>>>>> of C
>>>>>
>>>>> Not so. If I took your Halt7.c and removed everything that isn't
>>>>> defined by the semantics of C, there'd be precious little left, and
>>>>> certainly nothing worth compiling.
>>>>>
>>>> You understand that an input can be defined that
>>>> attempts to thwart a specific decider yet fail
>>>> to understand that another different decider can
>>>> decide this same input.
>>>
>>> I understand that a diagonal case for one decider can be beaten by
>>> another decider, and that that decider has its own diagonal case that it
>>> can't defeat.
>>>
>>
>> Then you understand that this decider pair is HHH/HHH1
>> with the input DD. Thus you can infer from this that
>> the behavior of DD relative to HHH is different than
>> the the behavior of DD relative to HHH1.
> 
> If HHH and HHH1 are completely different deciders, and DD
> is built on HHH, not calling into HH1, then:
> 
>     HH1 has no relationship with DD.
> 
> DD does not hae two different behaviors in connection with HHH1 and HHH.
> DD's behavior is determined by HHH(DD) and is completely
> disconnected from HHH1.
> 

You understand that an input can be defined that
attempts to thwart a specific decider yet fail to
understand that another different decider can decide
this same input.

And still don't understand that HHH/DD and HHH1/DD
are the above decider pair.

-- 
Copyright 2025 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer

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#130243 — Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER

FromRichard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk>
Date2025-09-25 04:11 +0100
SubjectRe: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER
Message-ID<10b2bs4$22uc$5@dont-email.me>
In reply to#130215
On 25/09/2025 01:50, olcott wrote:

<snip>

> You understand that an input can be defined that
> attempts to thwart a specific decider yet fail to
> understand that another different decider can decide
> this same input.
> 
> And still don't understand that HHH/DD and HHH1/DD
> are the above decider pair.
> 


Already rebutted. DD doesn't call HHH1. HHH doesn't call HHH1. 
Therefore DD is not the diagonal case for HHH1. HHH1 has one, of 
course, but DD isn't it.

-- 
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Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk
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#130238 — Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER

FromRichard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk>
Date2025-09-25 03:55 +0100
SubjectRe: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER
Message-ID<10b2avo$22uc$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#130202
On 25/09/2025 01:12, olcott wrote:
> On 9/24/2025 5:54 PM, Richard Heathfield wrote:
>> On 24/09/2025 23:43, olcott wrote:
>>> On 9/24/2025 5:38 PM, Richard Heathfield wrote:
>>>> On 24/09/2025 22:57, olcott wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Correctly simulated is defined by the semantics
>>>>> of C
>>>>
>>>> Not so. If I took your Halt7.c and removed everything that 
>>>> isn't defined by the semantics of C, there'd be precious 
>>>> little left, and certainly nothing worth compiling.
>>>>
>>> You understand that an input can be defined that
>>> attempts to thwart a specific decider yet fail
>>> to understand that another different decider can
>>> decide this same input.
>>
>> I understand that a diagonal case for one decider can be beaten 
>> by another decider, and that that decider has its own diagonal 
>> case that it can't defeat.
>>
> 
> Then you understand that this decider pair is HHH/HHH1
> with the input DD.

No, you haven't shown that. You have shown that HHH fails to 
decides DD, but I haven't seen any proof that HHH decides DD. DD 
doesn't call HHH1, and I see from my callgraph that HHH doesn't 
call HHH1. In fact, nothing does.

> Thus you can infer from this that
> the behavior of DD relative to HHH is different than
> the the behavior of DD relative to HHH1.

No, I can't. DD is what it is. Its behaviour depends on its own 
source and on the result from HHH. You can change its behaviour 
only by changing HHH's decision. HHH1 is not currently on the table.

-- 
Richard Heathfield
Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999
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