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Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? --- Message_ID Provided

From Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org>
Newsgroups comp.theory, sci.logic
Subject Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? --- Message_ID Provided
Date 2024-05-20 20:57 -0400
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On 5/20/24 11:32 AM, olcott wrote:
> On 5/20/2024 3:37 AM, immibis wrote:
>> On 20/05/24 07:17, olcott wrote:
>>> On 5/19/2024 11:37 PM, immibis wrote:
>>>> On 19/05/24 15:06, olcott wrote:
>>>>> Show H simulating P and H simulating itself simulating P.
>>>>>
>>>>> The 395 pages of the execution trace of the simulated H are
>>>>> screened out. No one here could ever understand the half page
>>>>> trace so embedding that in 395 more pages would not help.
>>>>
>>>> The fact that you took 395 pages to get to "if(flag) return 0;" does 
>>>> not mean that you didn't use "if(flag) return 0;"
>>>>
> 
> The fact that every instruction of D is correctly emulated in the
> order of the the assembly language that D specifies both before D
> calls H(D,D) and then after H(D,D) correctly simulates D(D) all
> over again conclusively proves recursive simulation without the
> need for the additional 395 pages mixed in.
> 

Which means that H did NOT correctly simulate EVERY imstruction in D, as 
it did not correctly simulate the "Call H" instruction.

> The tricky part of this was giving each simulated D its own
> separate process with its own memory registers and stack.

Nope. because we are only interested in the behavior of the outer D, and 
what that H does processing its input. That is DIFFERENT then what that 
simulation that is being simulated does.

Since the simulated H that the top level simulation of D calls will, if 
allowed to run, abort its simulation and return to that D, saying that 
*D* has cause an infinte recursion is just incorrect logic. D doesn't do 
that as the H that it calls, and thus is part of that D, breaks the loop.

H just can't see that as it aborts its simulation too soon, and your 
logic looks at the WRONG simulations to evaluate what THIS input does.

> 
>>>>>
>>>>> That P is simulated correctly is proven by the fact that the
>>>>> x86 assembly language instructions of P are correctly simulated
>>>>> and they are simulated in the order that the assembly language
>>>>> of P specifies.
>>>>
>>>> This is a lie -> If every assembly instruction that was simulated is 
>>>> simulated correctly, the program was simulated correctly. <- This is 
>>>> a lie.
>>>>
>>>
>>> *Quoted from page 4 of the paper linked below*
>>
>> Notice that none of what you wrote had any relationship to anything 
>> that I wrote.
>>
> 
> I am using categorically exhaustive reasoning that can work
> through every possibility that can possibly exist in a feasible
> amount of time as long as the category is very very narrow.

But don't define the precise category, or the precise thing you are 
trying to measure, so you aren't actually defining what you are doing so 
you can't really limit it.

> 
> Enlarge the category a tiny little bit and then the time
> becomes infeasible.
> 
> The tiniest little divergence from the title of this
> thread and I totally ignore and erase everything else
> that you say.
>

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Can D simulated by H terminate normally? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-04-27 19:17 -0500
  Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-04-27 20:49 -0400
    Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-04-27 19:58 -0500
      Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-04-27 21:39 -0400
        Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-04-27 20:54 -0500
          Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-04-27 22:09 -0400
            Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-04-27 21:33 -0500
              Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-04-27 23:31 -0400
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-04-27 22:45 -0500
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-04-28 09:13 -0400
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-04-28 08:45 -0500
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-04-28 10:00 -0400
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-04-28 09:15 -0500
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-04-28 13:34 -0400
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-04-28 12:55 -0500
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-04-28 14:18 -0400
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-04-28 13:23 -0500
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-04-28 14:42 -0400
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? POE olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-04-28 14:06 -0500
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? POE Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-04-28 15:29 -0400
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? POE olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-04-28 14:43 -0500
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? POE Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-04-28 19:07 -0400
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? POE olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-04-28 17:28 -0500
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? POE Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-04-28 19:01 -0400
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? POE olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-04-28 23:07 -0500
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? POE Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-04-29 07:25 -0400
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? POE olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-04-29 09:47 -0500
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? POE Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-04-29 19:19 -0400
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-04-28 14:25 -0400
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-04-28 13:33 -0500
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-04-28 14:44 -0400
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-04-28 14:00 -0500
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-04-28 15:14 -0400
          Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-04-28 11:30 +0300
            Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-04-28 08:06 -0500
              Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-04-28 09:14 -0400
  Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-04-28 11:23 +0300
    Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-04-28 07:56 -0500
      Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-04-28 09:19 -0400
        Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-04-28 08:52 -0500
          Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-04-28 11:08 -0400
            Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-04-28 10:33 -0500
              Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-04-28 12:08 -0400
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-04-28 12:50 -0500
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-04-28 14:06 -0400
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-04-28 13:19 -0500
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-04-28 14:39 -0400
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-04-28 13:52 -0500
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-04-28 15:18 -0400
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-04-28 14:26 -0500
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                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-04-28 14:48 -0500
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-04-28 19:05 -0400
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-04-28 22:48 -0500
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-04-29 07:25 -0400
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-04-29 09:51 -0500
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-04-29 19:19 -0400
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-04-30 01:07 -0500
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-04-30 07:33 -0400
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-04-30 10:55 -0500
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-04-30 18:46 -0400
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-04-30 22:56 -0500
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-05-01 07:23 -0400
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-05-01 11:11 -0500
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                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-05-01 21:59 -0500
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                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-05-01 23:02 -0500
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                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-05-01 23:13 -0500
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                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-05-18 09:11 -0400
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? --- Message-ID provided olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-05-18 11:24 -0500
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                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? --- Message_ID Provided olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-05-18 14:24 -0500
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                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? --- Message_ID Provided olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-05-20 10:32 -0500
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                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? --- Message_ID Provided olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-05-19 08:14 -0500
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? --- Message_ID Provided Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-05-19 13:17 -0400
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? --- Message_ID Provided immibis <news@immibis.com> - 2024-05-20 11:01 +0200
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? --- Message_ID Provided olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-05-20 10:18 -0500
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? --- Message_ID Provided Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-05-20 20:57 -0400
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? --- Message_ID Provided Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-05-19 13:17 -0400
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? --- Message_ID Provided olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-05-19 14:46 -0500
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? --- Message_ID Provided Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-05-19 19:31 -0400
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? --- Message_ID Provided olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-05-20 13:28 -0500
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? --- Message_ID Provided Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-05-20 20:57 -0400
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? --- Message_ID Provided immibis <news@immibis.com> - 2024-05-21 06:50 +0200
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? --- Message_ID Provided olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-05-21 00:05 -0500
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Message_ID Provided V2 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-05-19 19:06 -0500
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Message_ID Provided V2 Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-05-19 21:10 -0400
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Message_ID Provided V2 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-05-19 21:52 -0500
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Message_ID Provided V2 Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-05-19 23:11 -0400
                Every D correctly simulated by H cannot possible reach its own line 06 and halt olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-05-19 22:22 -0500
                Re: Every D correctly simulated by H cannot possible reach its own line 06 and halt Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-05-20 07:24 -0400
                Re: Every D correctly simulated by H cannot possible reach its own line 06 and halt olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-05-20 13:03 -0500
                Re: Every D correctly simulated by H cannot possible reach its own line 06 and halt Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-05-20 20:57 -0400
                Re: Every D correctly simulated by H cannot possibly reach its own line 06 and halt olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-05-20 21:25 -0500
                Re: Every D correctly simulated by H cannot possibly reach its own line 06 and halt Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-05-20 22:39 -0400
                Re: Every D correctly simulated by H cannot possibly reach its own line 06 and halt olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-05-21 00:18 -0500
                Re: Every D correctly simulated by H cannot possibly reach its own line 06 and halt Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-05-21 08:03 -0400
                Re: Every D correctly simulated by H cannot possibly reach its own line 06 and halt olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-05-21 09:22 -0500
                Re: Every D correctly simulated by H cannot possibly reach its own line 06 and halt Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-05-21 21:46 -0400
                Re: Every D correctly simulated by H cannot possibly reach its own line 06 and halt olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-05-21 21:05 -0500
                Re: Every D correctly simulated by H cannot possibly reach its own line 06 and halt Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-05-21 23:09 -0400
                Re: Every D correctly simulated by H cannot possibly reach its own line 06 and halt olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-05-21 22:52 -0500
                Re: Every D correctly simulated by H cannot possibly reach its own line 06 and halt Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-05-22 07:48 -0400
                Every D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-05-22 10:41 -0500
                Re: Every D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-05-22 19:01 -0400
                Re: Every D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-05-22 21:15 -0500
                Re: Every D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-05-22 22:36 -0400
                Re: Every D correctly simulated by H cannot possibly reach its own line 06 and halt "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2024-05-22 09:52 +0200
                Re: Every D correctly simulated by H cannot possibly reach its own line 06 and halt joes <noreply@example.com> - 2024-05-22 10:26 +0000
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Message_ID Provided V2 immibis <news@immibis.com> - 2024-05-20 13:31 +0200
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Message_ID Provided V2 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-05-20 10:23 -0500
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Message_ID Provided V2 Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-05-20 20:57 -0400
                Every D correctly simulated by H cannot possible reach its own line 06 and halt olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-05-19 22:09 -0500
                Re: Every D correctly simulated by H cannot possible reach its own line 06 and halt Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-05-19 23:24 -0400
                Re: Every D correctly simulated by H cannot possible reach its own line 06 and halt olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-05-19 22:32 -0500
                Re: Every D correctly simulated by H cannot possible reach its own line 06 and halt Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-05-20 07:24 -0400
                Re: Every D correctly simulated by H cannot possible reach its own line 06 and halt olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-05-20 13:01 -0500
                Re: Every D correctly simulated by H cannot possible reach its own line 06 and halt Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-05-20 20:57 -0400
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                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-04-30 23:19 -0500
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                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-05-01 10:26 -0500
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                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-05-01 23:08 -0500
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-05-01 12:51 +0300
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-05-01 10:51 -0500
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-05-01 20:28 -0400
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-05-01 22:16 -0500
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-05-01 23:50 -0400
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-05-01 23:04 -0500
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                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? --- olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-05-02 13:48 -0500
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                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? --- olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-05-03 07:17 -0500
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                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-05-01 23:21 -0500
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-05-02 07:03 -0400
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-05-02 13:46 -0500
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-05-02 21:48 -0400
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-05-03 07:22 -0500
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2024-05-03 18:15 -0400
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-05-01 23:23 -0500
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-05-01 23:27 -0500
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                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2024-04-29 14:37 +0000
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-04-29 09:56 -0500
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2024-04-29 15:23 +0000
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-04-29 10:50 -0500
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2024-04-29 16:17 +0000
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-04-29 12:31 -0500
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2024-04-29 18:19 +0000
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-04-29 14:04 -0500
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2024-04-30 10:46 +0200
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-04-30 10:18 -0500
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2024-04-30 17:37 +0200
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-04-30 11:10 -0500
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2024-04-30 18:24 +0200
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-04-30 11:27 -0500
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2024-04-30 19:38 +0200
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-04-30 13:26 -0500
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2024-05-01 11:02 +0200
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-05-01 10:20 -0500
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2024-05-02 17:10 +0200
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-05-02 13:42 -0500
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2024-04-30 15:44 +0000
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-04-30 11:15 -0500
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2024-04-30 16:46 +0000
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-04-30 13:24 -0500
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2024-05-01 10:01 +0000
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-05-01 10:34 -0500
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-05-01 20:31 -0400
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-05-01 22:22 -0500
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-05-01 23:53 -0400
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-05-01 23:07 -0500
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-05-02 00:13 -0400
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-05-02 12:16 +0300
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-05-02 09:50 -0500
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-05-02 21:48 -0400
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-05-03 07:36 -0500
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-05-03 22:09 -0400
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-05-04 12:23 +0300
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-05-04 08:49 -0500
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-05-04 13:50 -0400
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-05-05 11:01 +0300
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-05-05 09:28 -0500
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-05-05 12:55 -0400
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-05-05 12:38 -0500
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-05-05 14:15 -0400
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-05-06 18:05 +0300
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-05-06 11:02 -0500
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-05-06 22:20 -0400
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-05-03 12:17 +0300
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-05-03 06:40 -0500
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-05-03 22:10 -0400
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-05-04 12:26 +0300
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-05-04 08:51 -0500
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-05-04 12:00 -0400
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-05-05 11:08 +0300
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-05-05 09:32 -0500
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-05-06 18:08 +0300
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2024-05-02 09:29 +0000
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-05-02 13:05 -0500
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-05-02 21:49 -0400
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-05-03 07:40 -0500
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-05-03 23:33 -0400
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-05-02 21:49 -0400
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-05-03 07:52 -0500
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-05-03 22:19 -0400
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-05-02 14:52 -0500
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-04-30 18:46 -0400
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-04-30 23:28 -0500
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-05-01 07:23 -0400
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-05-01 11:32 -0500
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-05-01 20:36 -0400
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-05-01 22:26 -0500
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-05-01 23:56 -0400
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-05-01 22:59 -0500
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-05-02 00:08 -0400
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2024-05-02 09:39 +0000
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-05-02 13:35 -0500
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-05-02 21:48 -0400
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-05-03 07:25 -0500
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? joes <noreply@example.com> - 2024-05-03 19:30 +0000
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-05-03 16:26 -0500
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-05-03 22:35 -0400
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-05-03 22:29 -0400
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-05-03 12:33 +0300
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-05-03 06:55 -0500
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? joes <noreply@example.com> - 2024-05-03 13:40 +0000
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-05-03 08:47 -0500
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-05-03 22:41 -0400
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-05-03 22:38 -0400
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-05-04 12:47 +0300
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-05-04 08:56 -0500
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-05-04 12:07 -0400
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-05-05 11:14 +0300
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-05-05 09:38 -0500
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? joes <noreply@example.com> - 2024-05-05 17:07 +0000
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-05-05 12:43 -0500
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-05-05 14:20 -0400
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-05-06 18:16 +0300
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                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2024-05-02 09:07 +0000
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-05-02 12:45 -0500
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? joes <noreply@example.com> - 2024-05-02 21:51 +0000
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-05-02 16:55 -0500
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-05-02 21:48 -0400
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-05-03 07:27 -0500
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-05-03 22:42 -0400
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-05-02 17:10 -0500
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-04-29 14:31 -0500
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-04-28 13:54 -0500
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-04-28 15:23 -0400
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-04-28 13:58 -0500
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-04-28 15:25 -0400
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-04-28 14:35 -0500
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-04-28 15:45 -0400
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-04-28 14:51 -0500
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-04-28 19:07 -0400
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-04-28 22:58 -0500
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-04-29 07:24 -0400
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-04-29 09:43 -0500
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-04-29 19:19 -0400
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-04-30 00:54 -0500
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-04-30 13:22 +0300
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-04-30 10:45 -0500
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-05-01 13:03 +0300
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-05-01 11:00 -0500
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-05-02 12:00 +0300
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-05-02 09:43 -0500
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-05-03 12:43 +0300
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-05-03 07:13 -0500
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2024-05-03 14:08 +0000
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-05-03 09:34 -0500
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2024-05-03 19:33 +0000
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-05-03 14:43 -0500
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-05-03 15:08 -0500
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-05-03 23:09 -0400
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? joes <noreply@example.com> - 2024-05-03 19:10 +0000
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-05-03 16:22 -0500
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-05-04 08:43 -0400
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-05-03 23:07 -0400
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-05-03 23:20 -0500
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-05-04 08:53 -0400
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                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-05-04 13:10 +0300
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-05-04 08:59 -0500
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-05-04 13:51 -0400
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-05-02 15:13 -0500
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-04-30 07:40 -0400
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-04-30 10:58 -0500
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-04-30 18:46 -0400
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-04-30 23:11 -0500
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                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-05-01 11:06 -0500
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-05-01 20:41 -0400
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-05-01 22:29 -0500
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-05-01 23:59 -0400
                Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-05-01 23:09 -0500
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