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  Hardware? Amessyroom@f10.n1.z1.binkp.net (Amessyroom) - 2024-07-13 15:09 +1300
    Re: Hardware? groenveld@acm.org (John D Groenveld) - 2024-07-13 22:23 +0000
      Re: Hardware? OrangeFish <OrangeFish@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-14 09:47 -0400
        Re: Hardware? groenveld@acm.org (John D Groenveld) - 2024-07-18 21:03 +0000
        Re: Hardware? Amessyroom@f10.n1.z8.fidonet.org (Amessyroom) - 2024-07-21 09:19 +1300
          Re: Hardware? groenveld@acm.org (John D Groenveld) - 2024-07-23 17:10 +0000
    Re: Hardware? Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2024-07-14 17:51 -0500
      Re: Hardware? groenveld@acm.org (John D Groenveld) - 2024-07-16 14:48 +0000
        Re: Hardware? Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2024-07-17 21:58 -0500
      Re: Hardware? Amessyroom@f10.n1.z9.fidonet.org (Amessyroom) - 2024-07-21 09:21 +1300
      Re: Hardware? Marco Moock <mm+usenet-es@dorfdsl.de> - 2024-08-10 11:41 +0200
        Re: Hardware? groenveld@acm.org (John D Groenveld) - 2024-08-11 10:12 +0000
          Re: Hardware? Marco Moock <mm+usenet-es@dorfdsl.de> - 2024-08-14 21:28 +0200
            Re: Hardware? groenveld@acm.org (John D Groenveld) - 2024-08-15 18:59 +0000

#956 — Hardware?

So does Sun/Oracle even have any hardware products anymore ? The last product I
supported was the supercluster and they sunset it while we had two active users
of a total of four clusters.

Seems everything is in the cloud, haven't heard of anybody purchasing or
leasing any Sun/Oracle hardware for years.

Curiously.

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#957

In article <720897758@f10.n1.z1.binkp.net>,
Amessyroom <Amessyroom@f10.n1.z1.binkp.net> wrote:
>So does Sun/Oracle even have any hardware products anymore ?

Not AFAIK.

John
groenveld@acm.org

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#958

On 2024-07-13 18:23, John D Groenveld wrote:
> In article <720897758@f10.n1.z1.binkp.net>,
> Amessyroom <Amessyroom@f10.n1.z1.binkp.net> wrote:
>> So does Sun/Oracle even have any hardware products anymore ?
> 
> Not AFAIK.

I'm confused then because what is on this page? 
https://www.oracle.com/ca-en/servers/#oracle-sparc-m8-8  (price 
notwithstanding)

OF

> 
> John
> groenveld@acm.org
> 

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#962

In article <v70kt6$5qn6$1@dont-email.me>,
OrangeFish  <OrangeFish@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>I'm confused then because what is on this page? 
>https://www.oracle.com/ca-en/servers/#oracle-sparc-m8-8  (price 
>notwithstanding)

Here's some more webpages I found via cross checking with the current
systems handbook:

<URL:https://www.oracle.com/engineered-systems/>
Includes links to the database and private cloud appliances running
Unbreakable Linux.

<URL:https://www.oracle.com/storage/>
Includes the Fishworks ZFS appliances.

John
groenveld@acm.org

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#963

  Re: Re: Hardware?
  By: OrangeFish to John D Groenveld on Sun Jul 14 2024 09:47 am

 >>> So does Sun/Oracle even have any hardware products anymore ?

 >> Not AFAIK.

 Or> I'm confused then because what is on this page?
 Or> https://www.oracle.com/ca-en/servers/#oracle-sparc-m8-8  (price
 Or> notwithstanding)

I stand corrected, but I guess my comment was kinda due to the lack of traffic 
 in group. And since I left supporting Solaris a few years back, have not heard 
or seen much discussion of products. Just push for use of Oracle Cloud.

The last system I supported was M8 supercluster. So glad they are still 
 thriving. Was talking to a DBA I use to support, and he was telling me that it 
is still working great -- and hopes it can last 4 more years, until his 
retirement. LOL

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#965

In article <721568006@f10.n1.z8.fidonet.org>,
Amessyroom <Amessyroom@f10.n1.z8.fidonet.org> wrote:
>I stand corrected, but I guess my comment was kinda due to the lack of
> traffic in group.

Larry Ellison has always preferred discussion of his products and
services on his forums and with his sales critters.

> And since I left supporting Solaris a few years back, have not heard 
>or seen much discussion of products. Just push for use of Oracle Cloud.

The X10 Cloud and Database Appliances GA'd in 2023 but I don't recall
receiving any marketing material for them.

>The last system I supported was M8 supercluster. So glad they are still 
> thriving. Was talking to a DBA I use to support, and he was telling me
> that it 
>is still working great -- and hopes it can last 4 more years, until his 
>retirement. LOL

I suspect but don't know that your DBA will be able to continue to
purchase support for all of the currently sold Solaris-based systems
til Solaris EOL in 2037.
<URL:https://www.oracle.com/us/support/library/lifetime-support-hardware-301321.pdf>

What are Ellison's minions quoting for lifetime support for the 2017
GA systems?

John
groenveld@acm.org

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#959

On 7/12/24 21:09, Amessyroom wrote:
> So does Sun/Oracle even have any hardware products anymore ?

The following seem to be current shipping products:

  - Oracle SPARC M8-8
  - Oracle SPARC T8 & S7
  - Oracle Fujitsu SPARC

Aside:  I find it interesting that the page that OrangeFish linked to 
includes an Fujitsu product.

> Seems everything is in the cloud, haven't heard of anybody purchasing 
> or leasing any Sun/Oracle hardware for years.

My team is exploring purchasing multiple S7s as replacements for aging 
T4 and T7 systems.



-- 
Grant. . . .

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#960

In article <v71kp1$3o3$1@tncsrv09.home.tnetconsulting.net>,
Grant Taylor  <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> wrote:
>Aside:  I find it interesting that the page that OrangeFish linked to 
>includes an Fujitsu product.

Here's the Fujitsu-Oracle presser:
<URL:https://www.fujitsu.com/global/about/resources/news/press-releases/2017/0404-01.html>
Here's the roadmap:
<URL:https://www.fujitsu.com/global/products/computing/servers/unix/sparc/key-reports/roadmap/index.html>

>My team is exploring purchasing multiple S7s as replacements for aging 
>T4 and T7 systems.

What are your barriers to exit?

John
groenveld@acm.org

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#961

On 7/16/24 09:48, John D Groenveld wrote:
> What are your barriers to exit?

Are you asking why we're still using SPARC?

Because we are paid to host legacy Solaris SPARC applications for 
clients.  --  Solaris on SPARC is the sole purpose of the business unit.

Most of the clients are running various versions of a given application.

Most of the clients have stopped paying software support to the vendor 
for various reasons.  Many found support elsewhere.  Some didn't want to 
upgrade and stopped paying for new versions.

The application vendor does have a Linux / x86_64 option.  BUT the 
vendor requires that all previous years of missing support be paid to 
get to current.  They won't just license the new version.

So it's more economical for most of our clients to stick with what they 
have.

Thus we have a reasonable client base that brings in a reasonable income.

So we stick with Solaris on SPARC for the foreseeable future.



-- 
Grant. . . .

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#964

  Re: Re: Hardware?
  By: Grant Taylor to Amessyroom on Sun Jul 14 2024 05:51 pm

 GT> The following seem to be current shipping products:

 GT> - Oracle SPARC M8-8
 GT> - Oracle SPARC T8 & S7
 GT> - Oracle Fujitsu SPARC

These were the last machines I saw from Oracle. So I guess no new products :-( 

The M8 is awesome as was their supercluster. I had two customers using SC. Then 
 they sunset (I think the T7 version); was disappointed in Oracle. 

Thanks for sharing what is current. I loved supporting these machines.

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#966

On 14.07.2024 um 17:51 Uhr Grant Taylor wrote:

>   - Oracle Fujitsu SPARC

Still exists, but I read (can't find it anymore) that there is no new
development.

Solaris is also something that will only be maintained as far as
needed. I don't expect any new stuff there.

2018: https://www.networkworld.com/article/964265/the-sun-sets-on-solaris-and-sparc.html

Fujitsu still has them listed:
https://www.fujitsu.com/global/products/computing/servers/unix/sparc/
https://www.reddit.com/r/solaris/comments/le9fp0/will_fujitsu_be_releasing_any_new_sparc/?rdt=64526

I assume there is no real future for Solaris nor SPARC.

-- 
kind regards
Marco

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#967

In article <v97ck2$h04e$2@dont-email.me>,
Marco Moock  <mm+usenet-es@dorfdsl.de> wrote:
>I assume there is no real future for Solaris nor SPARC.

According to Release Schedule of Current Database Releases
(Doc ID 742060.1) Oracle is still planning to release 23ai this
year for low-volume, high-margin Solaris SPARC, along with high-volume,
low-margin Unbreakable Linux for x86-64 and ARM.
 
Low-volume, high-margin IBM AIX and HP HP-UX are listed as TBA.

DB for high-volume, low-margin Solaris x86-64 is now EOL.

John
groenveld@acm.org

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#968

On 11.08.2024 um 10:12 Uhr John D Groenveld wrote:

> DB for high-volume, low-margin Solaris x86-64 is now EOL.

Is there any official statement about this?

-- 
kind regards
Marco

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#969

In article <v9j0gc$ghoj$1@dont-email.me>,
Marco Moock  <mm+usenet-es@dorfdsl.de> wrote:
>Is there any official statement about this?

I am fairly certain by the time 19c was FCS that the roadmap listed
high-volume, low-margin Solaris x86-64 as terminal release.

Oracle Database (RDBMS) Releases Support Status Summary (Doc ID 161818.1)
shows Premier Support shows premier support for 19c ending April 2026.

BTW Oracle's X10 database appliances ship Unbreakable Linux:
<URL:https://www.oracle.com/a/ocom/docs/oda-x10-model-family-tech-brief.pdf>
John
groenveld@acm.org

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