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  Group still swamped... Robert Baker <korax1214@gmail.com> - 2018-11-20 07:40 -0800
    Re: Group still swamped... Guesser <alistair@zxnet.co.uk> - 2018-11-20 15:55 +0000
      Re: Group still swamped... "Brian-Gaff" <briang1@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2018-11-25 14:58 +0000
    Re: Group still swamped... Volker Bartheld <w18@bartheld.net> - 2018-11-20 17:44 +0100
      Re: Group still swamped... Guesser <alistair@zxnet.co.uk> - 2018-11-20 17:44 +0000
      Re: Group still swamped... nacho@sandboxed.org - 2018-11-21 09:56 -0800
        Re: Group still swamped... Guesser <alistair@zxnet.co.uk> - 2018-11-21 18:30 +0000
          Re: Group still swamped... Volker Bartheld <w18@bartheld.net> - 2018-11-26 11:31 +0100
            Re: Group still swamped... Guesser <alistair@zxnet.co.uk> - 2018-11-26 11:34 +0000
              Re: Group still swamped... Duncan Snowden <duncan_s@talktalk.net> - 2018-11-28 16:54 +0000
                Re: Group still swamped... "Daniel Mandic" <daniel_mandic@hotmail.com> - 2018-11-30 20:09 +0000
                Re: Group still swamped... Chainik <chainik@horror.in.flat> - 2019-01-26 20:19 +0000
      Re: Group still swamped... Chainik <chainik@horror.in.flat> - 2019-01-26 20:11 +0000
    Re: Group still swamped... AndyW <Andy@nojunqmail.com> - 2018-11-21 07:51 +0000
      Re: Group still swamped... fuzzix <fuzzix@fuzzix.invalid> - 2018-11-21 12:15 +0000
        Re: Group still swamped... Duncan Snowden <duncan_s@talktalk.net> - 2018-11-21 17:29 +0000
          Re: Group still swamped... "Chris" <chris.usenet@mail-filter.com> - 2018-11-25 21:16 +0000
    Re: Group still swamped... "Brian-Gaff" <briang1@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2018-11-25 14:57 +0000
    Re: Group still swamped... alex.farlie@gmail.com - 2018-11-28 14:57 -0800
    Re: Group still swamped... Chainik <chainik@horror.in.flat> - 2019-01-26 20:08 +0000

#4700 — Group still swamped...

with Italian spam, I see. Why does the spammer bother, since we're not remotely likely to be interested?

And why doesn't Google do something? Or perhaps they don't give a sh- er, monkeys.

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#4701

On 20/11/2018 15:40, Robert Baker wrote:
> with Italian spam, I see. Why does the spammer bother, since we're not remotely likely to be interested?
> 
> And why doesn't Google do something? Or perhaps they don't give a sh- er, monkeys.
> 

I've not seen any for a while now so it must be being eaten by a filter 
upstream (I use eternal-september).
Last time Google "did something" it was to block c.s.s entirely making 
the archive inaccessible on Google Groups, so it's probably better that 
they leave well alone!

Guesser

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#4710

Yes ineptitude abounds and It would not surprise me to see them shut all 
groups off but their own soon in any case.
 Brian

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"Guesser" <alistair@zxnet.co.uk> wrote in message 
news:pt1aoq$pfj$1@dont-email.me...
> On 20/11/2018 15:40, Robert Baker wrote:
>> with Italian spam, I see. Why does the spammer bother, since we're not 
>> remotely likely to be interested?
>>
>> And why doesn't Google do something? Or perhaps they don't give a sh- er, 
>> monkeys.
>>
>
> I've not seen any for a while now so it must be being eaten by a filter 
> upstream (I use eternal-september).
> Last time Google "did something" it was to block c.s.s entirely making the 
> archive inaccessible on Google Groups, so it's probably better that they 
> leave well alone!
>
> Guesser 

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#4702

On Tue, 20 Nov 2018 07:40:11 -0800 (PST), Robert Baker wrote:
> with Italian spam, I see. Why does the spammer bother, since we're not
> remotely likely to be interested?

# Invalid From address
!delete From {<\w+@domain\.invalid>$}

# aioe.org
!delete Message-ID: {^<[\w\$]+@[\w\.]*aioe\.org>}
!delete Header {^(X-Complaints-To:\s+abuse@aioe\.org)}

# dizum.com
!delete Message-ID: {^<[\w\$]+@[\w\.]*dizum\.com>}

# mixmin.com
!delete Message-ID: {^<[\w\$]+@news\.mixmin\.net>}

# solani.org
!delete Message-ID: {^<[\w\$]+@solani\.org>}

# Albasani
#!delete Message-ID: {^<[\w\$]+@[\w\.]*albasani\.net>}

#Arcor
#!delete,ignore Message-ID {^<.+@newsspool\d+.arcor-online\.net>$}

# Filter on stuff from news.netfront.net
#!setcolor(red;default) Header {^(X-Complaints-To:\s+news@netfront\.net)}
#!setcolor(red;default) Header {^(X-Trace:\s+\w+\.netfront\.net)}
!delete,ignore Header {^(X-Complaints-To:\s+news@netfront\.net)}
!delete,ignore Header {^(X-Trace:\s+\w+\.netfront\.net)}
!delete,ignore Header {\s+mail-complaints-to=\"news@netfront.net\"}
!delete,ignore Header {^Organization:\s+Netfront\s+.*$}

does the trick for me (40tude Dialog Filters, YMMV). I have deactivated
this filter...:

# Google Groups
#!delete Message-ID: {^<[\w\.-]+@[\w\.-]*googlegroups\.com>}
#!delete,ignore From {<\w+\.\w+@googlemail\.com>$}

... so the Spam most likely doesn't originate from a Google(groups)
account.

> And why doesn't Google do something?

Why should they? Feel free to look up the X-Complaints-To: header of the
objectionable post and e-mail a complaint yourself.

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#4703

On 20/11/2018 16:44, Volker Bartheld wrote:
> ... so the Spam most likely doesn't originate from a Google(groups)
> 

It's all coming from glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com.

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#4707

> Why should they? Feel free to look up the X-Complaints-To: header of the
> objectionable post and e-mail a complaint yourself.

Totally agree! I've just landed on the group, finally after 32 years tinkering with Sinclair computers. 

Don't hesitate to report back the content to Google through the web access of this group if you like: access/select the message, go to the rightmost icon and select 'Report Abuse'. If we don't report back, the group will continue to be swamped with the same content from time to time.

Cheers!!
Desleido

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#4708

On 21/11/2018 17:56, nacho@sandboxed.org wrote:
> Don't hesitate to report back the content to Google through the web access of this group if you like: access/select the message, go to the rightmost icon and select 'Report Abuse'. If we don't report back, the group will continue to be swamped with the same content from time to time.

I assume that's what somebody did last time. The result was losing 
access to the archive until we moaned at them until they re-instated it.

I suspect no-one at Google has any understanding of Usenet groups and an 
automated system will just end up banning the group again.

https://productforums.google.com/forum/?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer#!msg/apps/WuMEQT1-B2A/vxcTVQ-0AQAJ

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#4712

On Wed, 21 Nov 2018 18:30:45 +0000, Guesser wrote:
> On 21/11/2018 17:56, nacho@sandboxed.org wrote:
>> Don't hesitate to report back the content to Google through the web access of this group if you like: access/select the message, go to the rightmost icon and select 'Report Abuse'. If we don't report back, the group will continue to be swamped with the same content from time to time.
> I assume that's what somebody did last time. The result was losing 
> access to the archive until we moaned at them until they re-instated it.

I'm not sure what you mean. Why should anyone need Google to read
newsgroups? There is a ton of free NNTP servers out there and if you can
afford ten bucks, hop over to news.individual.net and subscribe to the
probably best server out there. News clients exist for even the most
exotic OSes. You could even write your own for the Speccy, the NNTP
protocol is pretty trivial (https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3977) or hack
the commands into Putty. OK, NNTPS aside, manually fiddling with certs is
a pain.

On a sidenote: I don't filter/killfile posts originating from Google Groups
- that would be something like

# Google Groups
!delete Message-ID: {^<[\w\.-]+@[\w\.-]*googlegroups\.com>}
!delete,ignore From {<\w+\.\w+@googlemail\.com>$}

, but didn't see the Italien spam Robert complained about either. So let's
see what the culprit is by deactivating all filters and sampling the last
3k posts from comp.sys.sinclair. Et voilà, what do we have here...:

Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com
Message-ID: <04130591-2a4a-4f43-b399-8a64adf305d5@googlegroups.com>
Subject: CRIMINALISSIMA BIGBIT DI NOTO LADRO, TRUFFATORE, PEDOFILO PAOLO
 BARRAI! CRIMINALISSIMA BIGBIT NEWS CHANNEL DI NOTO AZZERA RISPARMI E PURE
 NOTO PEDOFILO FEDERICO IZZI DI ROMA (NOTO COME "ER ZIO ROMOLO" INCULA
 BAMBINI)! STATENE MOLTISSIMO ALLA LARGA!!!

Seems like the all-caps-filter

# Filter all-caps subjects (4 and more capitals in a row)
!delete Subject {(?-i)^[^a-z]{4,}$}

has caught it. So: Update your filters, move on. Problem solved.

> I suspect no-one at Google has any understanding of Usenet groups and an
> automated system will just end up banning the group again.

*shrug* I couldn't care less.

> https://productforums.google.com/forum/?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer#!msg/apps/WuMEQT1-B2A/vxcTVQ-0AQAJ

From there:

deKay> Google Group now empty 
deKay> von deKay  13.07.17
deKay> [...]
deKay> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/comp.sys.sinclair
deKay> This group (originally a usenet newsgroup) is now empty.
deKay> 20+ years of archives, gone.
deKay> Who do we contact to make them come back? 

So you trust a company that earns most of its money with data mining and
spying on user behaviour who - in their terms of service - mention that
they could shut down any feature anytime at their free discretion? No
kidding? Perhaps you also believe that your data is safe "in the cloud".

Remedy: Build your own news archive using a decent newsreader instead of
some obscure NNTP-to-HTTP-service. Unfortunately, news.individual.net only
carries posts back till 2016. Tough luck.

Greets,
Volker

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#4713

On 26/11/2018 10:31, Volker Bartheld wrote:
> I'm not sure what you mean. Why should anyone need Google to read
> newsgroups?
On account of not owning a time machine to go back and create an 
alternative archive that doesn't get bought by Google.

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#4716

On Mon, 26 Nov 2018 11:34:19 +0000
Guesser <alistair@zxnet.co.uk> wrote:

> On 26/11/2018 10:31, Volker Bartheld wrote:
> > I'm not sure what you mean. Why should anyone need Google to read
> > newsgroups?  
> On account of not owning a time machine to go back and create an 
> alternative archive that doesn't get bought by Google.

That. Deja News was cool. Google, not so much.

It actually makes me doubt *all* of Google's high-minded claims. If
they're *really* about archiving human knowledge and making it
searchable, why have they let the Usenet archive they spent a fortune
on back in 2001 atrophy? Even basic searches don't work properly. I
thought searching was what Google... y'know, *does*.

If they don't care about it any more, then how about releasing it into
the public domain? Set up a foundation or donate it to archive.org.
Usenet might not matter much any more, but it was vitally important to
the early Internet. There's a lot of historical value in there
alongside the wibbling about Speccy games and crisps.

-- 
Duncan Snowden.

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#4717

Duncan Snowden wrote:

> Usenet might not matter much any more, but it was vitally important to
> the early Internet.

But it works (has proper function).

For what reason do I need wobbling and wibbling emoticons, tsk...


-- 
Daniel Mandic

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#4728

Feel free to make your own arhive. That's good starting point:

<https://archive.org/download/usenet-comp/comp.sys.sinclair.mbox.zip>

~71MB

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#4727

Why do you filter on aioe and mixmin? I've seen legit messages
posted on them.

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#4704

On 20/11/2018 15:40, Robert Baker wrote:
> with Italian spam, I see. Why does the spammer bother, since we're not remotely likely to be interested?

A decent killfile will handle it and you never see it again.

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#4705

On 21/11/2018 07:51, AndyW wrote:
> On 20/11/2018 15:40, Robert Baker wrote:
>> with Italian spam, I see. Why does the spammer bother, since we're not 
>> remotely likely to be interested?
> 
> A decent killfile will handle it and you never see it again.

The entire Italian language in uppercase worked for me! ;)

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#4706

On Wed, 21 Nov 2018 12:15:27 +0000
fuzzix <fuzzix@fuzzix.invalid> wrote:

> On 21/11/2018 07:51, AndyW wrote:
> > On 20/11/2018 15:40, Robert Baker wrote:  
> >> with Italian spam, I see. Why does the spammer bother, since we're
> >> not remotely likely to be interested?  
> > 
> > A decent killfile will handle it and you never see it again.  
> 
> The entire Italian language in uppercase worked for me! ;)

Blimey, that's a bit drastic. But if it works...

I haven't seen any of it for a long while either. Aioe.org's spam
filter has always been bloody good. (As has their service generally,
actually. It must be nearly 15 years since I signed up, and I've never
had a single problem. In fact, I even had to go and check the name, and
that I was still using it. The website certainly didn't look that
clean and shiny last time I visited.)

-- 
Duncan Snowden.

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#4711

On Wed, 21 Nov 2018 17:29:51 +0000 da kidz on comp.sys.sinclair were rappin'
to MC Duncan Snowden:

> On Wed, 21 Nov 2018 12:15:27 +0000
> fuzzix <fuzzix@fuzzix.invalid> wrote:
> 
> > On 21/11/2018 07:51, AndyW wrote:
> > > On 20/11/2018 15:40, Robert Baker wrote:  
> > >> with Italian spam, I see. Why does the spammer bother, since we're
> > >> not remotely likely to be interested?  
> > > 
> > > A decent killfile will handle it and you never see it again.  
> > 
> > The entire Italian language in uppercase worked for me! ;)
> 
> Blimey, that's a bit drastic. But if it works...
> 
> I haven't seen any of it for a long while either. Aioe.org's spam
> filter has always been bloody good. (As has their service generally,
> actually. It must be nearly 15 years since I signed up, and I've never
> had a single problem. In fact, I even had to go and check the name, and
> that I was still using it. The website certainly didn't look that
> clean and shiny last time I visited.)

I see the occasional post (last one from 09/11 - no, not that 09/11 if
there are any Americans in), the previous one 19/10, everything else
has expired off my local list.

I'm just using VM's news server, which I recall changed (or was
outsourced or something) some time ago.  As in, some time in the last
ten years.  Can't remember when.  I wonder how much use it gets? 
Suppose I'm lucky they didn't just turn it off and not provide a
replacement.  Not that I use it much.  Pop into c.s.s once or twice in
a blue moon and that's it.  Can't even be bothered to set it up on a
different computer, still using the ancient version of Microdot-II
whose config has been copied from place to place, and have to power up
the Amiga to get on it.

Chris


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#4709

Why don't you use a proper newsreader and block the posts like everyone else 
does?
 Brian

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"Robert Baker" <korax1214@gmail.com> wrote in message 
news:b6a3b031-0f3d-416f-a23c-cc6978145503@googlegroups.com...
> with Italian spam, I see. Why does the spammer bother, since we're not 
> remotely likely to be interested?
>
> And why doesn't Google do something? Or perhaps they don't give a sh- er, 
> monkeys. 

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#4714

On Tuesday, 20 November 2018 15:40:12 UTC, Robert Baker  wrote:
> with Italian spam, I see. Why does the spammer bother, since we're not remotely likely to be interested?
> 
> And why doesn't Google do something? Or perhaps they don't give a sh- er, monkeys.

Because Google values "free-speech" or something, I've always been told.

That said what with Article 13, and the Facebook scandal(s), it wouldn't suprise me if Big Tech is going to have start cleaning up it's act fairly soon, before governments implement all kinds of draconian measures to 'clean up the internet for normal decent citizens.' 

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#4726

Have you tried to contact Google Groups abuse desk at <groups-abuse@google.com>?
Might have to provide them with Message-IDs of spam.

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