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  ...so this is progress (all modern web designers please read) bit-naughty@hotmail.com - 2015-06-15 07:53 -0700
    Re: ...so this is progress (all modern web designers please read) Adam Ainsworth <adam.ainsworth@gmail.com> - 2015-06-15 14:58 -0700
      Re: ...so this is progress (all modern web designers please read) "Brian-Gaff" <briang1@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2015-06-16 11:55 +0100
    Re: ...so this is progress (all modern web designers please read) Selwyn Froggitt <markrobertwills@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-06-16 00:26 -0700
    Re: ...so this is progress (all modern web designers please read) "Brian-Gaff" <briang1@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2015-06-16 11:54 +0100
      Re: ...so this is progress (all modern web designers please read) "Brian Gaff" <Briang1@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2015-06-16 17:12 +0100

#3793 — ...so this is progress (all modern web designers please read)

....so I was having yet *another* go at my CSS and Javascript books, trying to get all this stuff into my head, and I just thought that I'd share with you guys, my thoughts:

After all this time, and all this so called "progress", with modern web dev., there's no "PRINT AT" anywhere..... something that the Spectrum let me play with more than 25 years ago!!! To get anything on screen, you have to fiddle with classes, and Javascript coding, oh, and God knows what else!! WHAT ARE THESE GUYS UPTO? HAVE THEY GONE MAD???!!! Did Brendan Eich or Tim Berners-Lee, or whoever the fuck it is, never have access to a Spectrum when THEY were young???


Even something like DLAN was so much FUN!!

What this is going to do is turn off today's kids towards coding, and mess with their heads properly.

Any of you guys feel the same way???

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#3795

It's not meant to be fun. It's there to make web pages work properly, no matter what kind of browser you view them on. It's not designed for pretty graphics rendering or rigid visuals, it's designed for compatibility, fluidity and adaptability.

If really you want PRINT AT functionality, you can use position: absolute and then top: 96px and left: 128px. This will place the element exactly where you want it, regardless of whatever else you have on the page. However, it will appear in different positions relative to everything else on different size screens.

You might want to look at the CANVAS element within HTML5, if you want more traditional drawing functionality. You'll also need to learn JavaScript.


On Monday, 15 June 2015 15:53:05 UTC+1, bit-n...@hotmail.com  wrote:
> ....so I was having yet *another* go at my CSS and Javascript books, trying to get all this stuff into my head, and I just thought that I'd share with you guys, my thoughts:
> 
> After all this time, and all this so called "progress", with modern web dev., there's no "PRINT AT" anywhere..... something that the Spectrum let me play with more than 25 years ago!!! To get anything on screen, you have to fiddle with classes, and Javascript coding, oh, and God knows what else!! WHAT ARE THESE GUYS UPTO? HAVE THEY GONE MAD???!!! Did Brendan Eich or Tim Berners-Lee, or whoever the fuck it is, never have access to a Spectrum when THEY were young???
> 
> 
> Even something like DLAN was so much FUN!!
> 
> What this is going to do is turn off today's kids towards coding, and mess with their heads properly.
> 
> Any of you guys feel the same way???

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#3798

But it does not do that either. How often do you get the message, this site 
does not support your browser when its IE8. Interestingly, if you spoof the 
browser to  be what its looking for, the site will normally work. so I say, 
lazy folk could not be bothered to test their sites.
 Brian

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"Adam Ainsworth" <adam.ainsworth@gmail.com> wrote in message 
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It's not meant to be fun. It's there to make web pages work properly, no 
matter what kind of browser you view them on. It's not designed for pretty 
graphics rendering or rigid visuals, it's designed for compatibility, 
fluidity and adaptability.

If really you want PRINT AT functionality, you can use position: absolute 
and then top: 96px and left: 128px. This will place the element exactly 
where you want it, regardless of whatever else you have on the page. 
However, it will appear in different positions relative to everything else 
on different size screens.

You might want to look at the CANVAS element within HTML5, if you want more 
traditional drawing functionality. You'll also need to learn JavaScript.


On Monday, 15 June 2015 15:53:05 UTC+1, bit-n...@hotmail.com  wrote:
> ....so I was having yet *another* go at my CSS and Javascript books, 
> trying to get all this stuff into my head, and I just thought that I'd 
> share with you guys, my thoughts:
>
> After all this time, and all this so called "progress", with modern web 
> dev., there's no "PRINT AT" anywhere..... something that the Spectrum let 
> me play with more than 25 years ago!!! To get anything on screen, you have 
> to fiddle with classes, and Javascript coding, oh, and God knows what 
> else!! WHAT ARE THESE GUYS UPTO? HAVE THEY GONE MAD???!!! Did Brendan Eich 
> or Tim Berners-Lee, or whoever the fuck it is, never have access to a 
> Spectrum when THEY were young???
>
>
> Even something like DLAN was so much FUN!!
>
> What this is going to do is turn off today's kids towards coding, and mess 
> with their heads properly.
>
> Any of you guys feel the same way???

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#3796

On Monday, 15 June 2015 15:53:05 UTC+1, bit-n...@hotmail.com  wrote:
> ....so I was having yet *another* go at my CSS and Javascript books, trying to get all this stuff into my head, and I just thought that I'd share with you guys, my thoughts:
> 
> After all this time, and all this so called "progress", with modern web dev., there's no "PRINT AT" anywhere..... something that the Spectrum let me play with more than 25 years ago!!! To get anything on screen, you have to fiddle with classes, and Javascript coding, oh, and God knows what else!! WHAT ARE THESE GUYS UPTO? HAVE THEY GONE MAD???!!! Did Brendan Eich or Tim Berners-Lee, or whoever the fuck it is, never have access to a Spectrum when THEY were young???
> 
> 
> Even something like DLAN was so much FUN!!
> 
> What this is going to do is turn off today's kids towards coding, and mess with their heads properly.
> 
> Any of you guys feel the same way???

Web pages are not cartesian grids, they are documents, and text flows
naturally; hence no requirement for print at. It is needlessly complex
and wordy though - I'm with you on that ;-)

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#3797

Most definitely. I gave up html. Mark up language ends up bigger than the 
data it is supposed to support!

I think what has happened is that the basic html was fine for the purpose of 
presenting info, then folk invented glue on bits and extras, but never 
actually grasped the nettle and created  some kind of routine that emulated 
the print at command or much like it. In my view its also tied in with this 
object oriented approch. To my mind all an object is is an interlinked set 
of parameters of different types or classes to use the modern buzz words. 
Kind of like linked multi dimensional arrays.
 Local variables would have been nice in ZX Basic though I have to say, but 
one can emulate it simply by adding a ccharacter to a name which exists 
globally.

I do think there is an element of the Kings new clothes about modern 
programming and display languages.
 Brian

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<bit-naughty@hotmail.com> wrote in message 
news:fb377bc0-0582-406f-879d-af07d20e547e@googlegroups.com...
....so I was having yet *another* go at my CSS and Javascript books, trying 
to get all this stuff into my head, and I just thought that I'd share with 
you guys, my thoughts:

After all this time, and all this so called "progress", with modern web 
dev., there's no "PRINT AT" anywhere..... something that the Spectrum let me 
play with more than 25 years ago!!! To get anything on screen, you have to 
fiddle with classes, and Javascript coding, oh, and God knows what else!! 
WHAT ARE THESE GUYS UPTO? HAVE THEY GONE MAD???!!! Did Brendan Eich or Tim 
Berners-Lee, or whoever the fuck it is, never have access to a Spectrum when 
THEY were young???


Even something like DLAN was so much FUN!!

What this is going to do is turn off today's kids towards coding, and mess 
with their heads properly.

Any of you guys feel the same way??? 

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#3805

And while I'm at it, html and the like is more like cp/m in that the 
software and hardware are often different but the display has got to look 
good on all combinations, which of course is impossible, so when mobiles 
came out they decided to do new versions of pages, then as mobiles got 
better they tended to try to be all things to all stuff again.
 Where is my chizel and some marble.
 Here lies a solid state programmer.
 Brian

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 graphics are great, but the blind can't hear them
Email: briang1@blueyonder.co.uk
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"Brian-Gaff" <briang1@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message 
news:mlov64$ame$1@dont-email.me...
> Most definitely. I gave up html. Mark up language ends up bigger than the 
> data it is supposed to support!
>
> I think what has happened is that the basic html was fine for the purpose 
> of presenting info, then folk invented glue on bits and extras, but never 
> actually grasped the nettle and created  some kind of routine that 
> emulated the print at command or much like it. In my view its also tied in 
> with this object oriented approch. To my mind all an object is is an 
> interlinked set of parameters of different types or classes to use the 
> modern buzz words. Kind of like linked multi dimensional arrays.
> Local variables would have been nice in ZX Basic though I have to say, but 
> one can emulate it simply by adding a ccharacter to a name which exists 
> globally.
>
> I do think there is an element of the Kings new clothes about modern 
> programming and display languages.
> Brian
>
> -- 
> From the Sofa of Brian Gaff Reply address is  active
> <bit-naughty@hotmail.com> wrote in message 
> news:fb377bc0-0582-406f-879d-af07d20e547e@googlegroups.com...
> ....so I was having yet *another* go at my CSS and Javascript books, 
> trying to get all this stuff into my head, and I just thought that I'd 
> share with you guys, my thoughts:
>
> After all this time, and all this so called "progress", with modern web 
> dev., there's no "PRINT AT" anywhere..... something that the Spectrum let 
> me play with more than 25 years ago!!! To get anything on screen, you have 
> to fiddle with classes, and Javascript coding, oh, and God knows what 
> else!! WHAT ARE THESE GUYS UPTO? HAVE THEY GONE MAD???!!! Did Brendan Eich 
> or Tim Berners-Lee, or whoever the fuck it is, never have access to a 
> Spectrum when THEY were young???
>
>
> Even something like DLAN was so much FUN!!
>
> What this is going to do is turn off today's kids towards coding, and mess 
> with their heads properly.
>
> Any of you guys feel the same way???
> 

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