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  LOAD "" Song zoguestuff@gmail.com - 2013-01-24 13:11 -0800
    ZX Spectrum tape signals in music Ivan Shmakov <oneingray@gmail.com> - 2013-01-27 17:55 +0000
      Re: ZX Spectrum tape signals in music Mr Zogue <zoguestuff@gmail.com> - 2013-01-29 16:33 -0800
        Re: ZX Spectrum tape signals in music Ivan Shmakov <oneingray@gmail.com> - 2013-02-01 19:16 +0000
          Re: ZX Spectrum tape signals in music SamTek <rogerjowett@gmail.com> - 2013-03-29 06:39 -0700
      Re: ZX Spectrum tape signals in music Andrew Owen <aowen10@mail.bbk.ac.uk> - 2013-01-31 11:54 +0000
        Re: ZX Spectrum tape signals in music Mr Zogue <zoguestuff@gmail.com> - 2013-01-31 13:58 -0800

#1806 — LOAD "" Song

Hello

I wrote a song the other night which uses the Spectrum loading sounds.  I thought you might like it.  I have made a video for it on YouTube which shows a fictional 80's home computing setup (I know the Spectrum doesn't properly load a SCREEN$ like that) - http://youtu.be/PLWEy59lUhc

If you just want to hear it, it's also on Soundcloud at https://soundcloud.com/zoguesounds/load

Anyway, I figured this would be a good group to inform of this. The release name for this song is Deep Grass. Hope you enjoy it!

DG!

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#1817 — ZX Spectrum tape signals in music

>>>>> zoguestuff  <zoguestuff@gmail.com> writes:

 > Hello I wrote a song the other night which uses the Spectrum loading
 > sounds.  I thought you might like it.  I have made a video for it on
 > YouTube which shows a fictional 80's home computing setup (I know the
 > Spectrum doesn't properly load a SCREEN$ like that) -
 > http://youtu.be/PLWEy59lUhc

 > If you just want to hear it, it's also on Soundcloud at
 > https://soundcloud.com/zoguesounds/load

 > Anyway, I figured this would be a good group to inform of this.  The
 > release name for this song is Deep Grass.  Hope you enjoy it!

	Well, irrespective of the other qualities of this one, I'm a
	little bit disappointed that the Spectrum tape signal is mostly
	used for the background.  (Reminding me of how the Fenster's
	adaptation [1] of the Free Software Song [2] uses a modem
	handshake sample near its end.)

[1] http://audio-video.gnu.org/audio/Fenster-Free-Software-Song.ogg
[2] https://www.gnu.org/music/free-software-song.html

	However, it makes me wonder, if it's possible to put ZX Spectrum
	tape signals into more prominent positions within the
	composition?  FWIW, we can extract a few more intervals off such
	a signal (apart from, obviously, almost an exact octave between
	the lower and the higher frequencies used.)

	Indeed, a short investigation shows that, assuming "A above
	middle C" at 430 Hz (which is different to the "A440" standard,
	but still known to the music world), and taking some liberty
	regarding the exact frequencies Spectrum tape signals use (and
	considering acceptable some 10 cent variation of the prescribed
	frequency), we can easily produce the following notes of the
	musical scale, as, hopefully, shown in [3].  (And, at the very
	least, audio2tape(1) recognizes such a signal as valid.)

1921.875000	B 6
1289.062500	E 6
1218.750000	D#6
1148.437500	D 6
1078.125000	C#6
1031.250000	C 6
 960.937500	B 5

	There's still gap of seven semitones between E6 and B6, which,
	I'd hope, a talented composer may obviate by creatively
	emphasizing (and deemphasizing) the signal and the other samples
	used in the composition.

[3] http://efye.am-1.org/~ivan/doc-files/zx-spectrum-2013/pitches-demo-data-1359307897.ogg

-- 
FSF associate member #7257

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#1855 — Re: ZX Spectrum tape signals in music

Hi Ivan

Have you seen this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpEDBik0x9U

Very impressive - stick with it, you need to get to about 25 seconds before it becomes melodic :)

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On Sunday, January 27, 2013 5:55:30 PM UTC, Ivan Shmakov wrote:

> 	Well, irrespective of the other qualities of this one, I'm a
> 
> 	little bit disappointed that the Spectrum tape signal is mostly
> 
> 	used for the background.  (Reminding me of how the Fenster's
> 
> 	adaptation [1] of the Free Software Song [2] uses a modem
> 
> 	handshake sample near its end.)
> 
> 
> 
> [1] http://audio-video.gnu.org/audio/Fenster-Free-Software-Song.ogg
> 
> [2] https://www.gnu.org/music/free-software-song.html
> 
> 
> 
> 	However, it makes me wonder, if it's possible to put ZX Spectrum
> 
> 	tape signals into more prominent positions within the
> 
> 	composition?  FWIW, we can extract a few more intervals off such
> 
> 	a signal (apart from, obviously, almost an exact octave between
> 
> 	the lower and the higher frequencies used.)
> 
> 
> 
> 	Indeed, a short investigation shows that, assuming "A above
> 
> 	middle C" at 430 Hz (which is different to the "A440" standard,
> 
> 	but still known to the music world), and taking some liberty
> 
> 	regarding the exact frequencies Spectrum tape signals use (and
> 
> 	considering acceptable some 10 cent variation of the prescribed
> 
> 	frequency), we can easily produce the following notes of the
> 
> 	musical scale, as, hopefully, shown in [3].  (And, at the very
> 
> 	least, audio2tape(1) recognizes such a signal as valid.)
> 
> 
> 
> 1921.875000	B 6
> 
> 1289.062500	E 6
> 
> 1218.750000	D#6
> 
> 1148.437500	D 6
> 
> 1078.125000	C#6
> 
> 1031.250000	C 6
> 
>  960.937500	B 5
> 
> 
> 
> 	There's still gap of seven semitones between E6 and B6, which,
> 
> 	I'd hope, a talented composer may obviate by creatively
> 
> 	emphasizing (and deemphasizing) the signal and the other samples
> 
> 	used in the composition.
> 
> 
> 
> [3] http://efye.am-1.org/~ivan/doc-files/zx-spectrum-2013/pitches-demo-data-1359307897.ogg
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> FSF associate member #7257

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#1894 — Re: ZX Spectrum tape signals in music

>>>>> Zogue  <zoguestuff@gmail.com> writes:

[...]

 > Have you seen this?

 > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpEDBik0x9U

 > Very impressive - stick with it, you need to get to about 25 seconds
 > before it becomes melodic :)

	Impressive, indeed!

	Even as I've filtered the audio track (via SoX' sinc 384-1920),
	and checked the waveform, I still suspect some kind of a "hidden
	trick."  That being said, audio2tape(1) seems to recognize the
	signal, and I suspect that so will a Spectrum, which seems like
	an achievement.

-- 
FSF associate member #7257

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#2170 — Re: ZX Spectrum tape signals in music

On Friday, 1 February 2013 19:16:45 UTC, Ivan Shmakov  wrote:
> >>>>> Zogue  <zoguestuff@gmail.com> writes:
> 
> 
> 
> [...]
> 
> 
> 
>  > Have you seen this?
> 
> 
> 
>  > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpEDBik0x9U
> 
> 
> 
>  > Very impressive - stick with it, you need to get to about 25 seconds
> 
>  > before it becomes melodic :)
> 
> 
> 
> 	Impressive, indeed!
> 
> 
> 
> 	Even as I've filtered the audio track (via SoX' sinc 384-1920),
> 
> 	and checked the waveform, I still suspect some kind of a "hidden
> 
> 	trick."  That being said, audio2tape(1) seems to recognize the
> 
> 	signal, and I suspect that so will a Spectrum, which seems like
> 
> 	an achievement.
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> FSF associate member #7257

no one has an mp3 player that can run an ay player program? then you dont need to trasfner MB of data ay tunes are only KB in size
couple of headphone sockets with two independent outputs 
microphone socket too would be nice
anyone convert tap tzx to a format that slides into the micro command mic socket with its adc and 4mhz80- needs a bit more ram 2k and rom 2k

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#1878 — Re: ZX Spectrum tape signals in music

On 27/01/2013 17:55, Ivan Shmakov wrote:

> 	Well, irrespective of the other qualities of this one, I'm a
> 	little bit disappointed that the Spectrum tape signal is mostly
> 	used for the background.

Apparently well known club DJs used the game I wrote for Plastic 
Raygun's Spectrum EP to scratch with. I never heard it thouugh.

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#1887 — Re: ZX Spectrum tape signals in music

Oh wow, that prompted me to do a search for the EP and I found this:

http://www.worldofspectrum.org/equinox/music/

Now I feel hugely under-contemporary knowing the wealth of music that precedes my own creation (and I should know better - I own the Aphex Twin Girl/Boy EP and The Magic Treehouse by Ooberman too!)

That equinox page is a good resource though, and a Spectrum loading tone on vinyl would be a very good DJ tool for scratching!

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On Thursday, January 31, 2013 11:54:05 AM UTC, Andrew Owen wrote:
> Apparently well known club DJs used the game I wrote for Plastic 
> 
> Raygun's Spectrum EP to scratch with. I never heard it thouugh.

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