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Video recording Speccy games on a Mac

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First post2013-01-29 20:55 +0000
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  Video recording Speccy games on a Mac deKay <andyk@lofi-gaming.org.uk.invalid> - 2013-01-29 20:55 +0000
    Re: Video recording Speccy games on a Mac Fred <fredm@spamcop.net> - 2013-01-30 01:41 -0600
      Re: Video recording Speccy games on a Mac deKay <andyk@lofi-gaming.org.uk.invalid> - 2013-01-30 10:43 +0000
      Re: Video recording Speccy games on a Mac deKay <andyk@lofi-gaming.org.uk.invalid> - 2013-01-30 12:55 +0000
        Re: Video recording Speccy games on a Mac Fred <fredm@spamcop.net> - 2013-01-30 07:54 -0600
          Re: Video recording Speccy games on a Mac SamTek <rogerjowett@gmail.com> - 2013-01-30 06:15 -0800
            Re: Video recording Speccy games on a Mac deKay <andyk@lofi-gaming.org.uk.invalid> - 2013-01-30 14:21 +0000
              Re: Video recording Speccy games on a Mac Ivan Shmakov <oneingray@gmail.com> - 2013-01-30 14:50 +0000
                Re: Video recording Speccy games on a Mac deKay <andyk@lofi-gaming.org.uk.invalid> - 2013-01-30 15:17 +0000
                  Re: Video recording Speccy games on a Mac SamTek <rogerjowett@gmail.com> - 2013-01-31 03:08 -0800
                  killfiles Ivan Shmakov <oneingray@gmail.com> - 2013-01-31 13:06 +0000
                  Re: Video recording Speccy games on a Mac korax1214@gmail.com - 2013-02-02 04:59 -0800
                    Re: Video recording Speccy games on a Mac Duncan Snowden <duncan_s@talktalk.net> - 2013-02-03 16:42 +0000
                      Google Groups Ivan Shmakov <oneingray@gmail.com> - 2013-02-03 17:33 +0000
                        Re: Google Groups SamTek <rogerjowett@gmail.com> - 2013-03-29 06:38 -0700
                          Re: Google Groups "Brian Gaff" <Briang1@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-03-30 09:33 +0000
                            Re: Google Groups Guesser <alistair@alistairsserver.no-ip.org> - 2013-03-30 11:18 +0000
                              Re: Google Groups Andrew Owen <aowen10@mail.bbk.ac.uk> - 2013-03-30 16:39 +0000
                                Re: Google Groups jgharston <jgh@mdfs.net> - 2013-04-01 12:45 -0700
                                  Re: Google Groups "Paul E Collins" <equi@cl4.invalid> - 2013-04-02 10:53 +0100
                                    Re: Google Groups Andrew Owen <aowen10@mail.bbk.ac.uk> - 2013-04-02 19:31 +0100
                                      Re: Google Groups "Daniel Mandic" <daniel_mandic@hotmail.com> - 2013-04-02 20:11 +0000
                                      Re: Google Groups "Daniel Mandic" <daniel_mandic@hotmail.com> - 2013-04-07 18:47 +0000
                                    Re: Google Groups Duncan Snowden <duncan_s@talktalk.net> - 2013-04-02 20:10 +0100
                                      Re: Google Groups "Paul E Collins" <equi@cl4.invalid> - 2013-04-02 23:18 +0100
                                      Re: Google Groups Andrew Owen <aowen10@mail.bbk.ac.uk> - 2013-04-02 23:37 +0100
              Re: Video recording Speccy games on a Mac SamTek <rogerjowett@gmail.com> - 2013-01-31 03:07 -0800
              Re: Video recording Speccy games on a Mac SamTek <rogerjowett@gmail.com> - 2013-01-31 03:09 -0800
          Re: Video recording Speccy games on a Mac deKay <andyk@lofi-gaming.org.uk.invalid> - 2013-01-30 14:20 +0000
      Re: Video recording Speccy games on a Mac deKay <andyk@lofi-gaming.org.uk.invalid> - 2013-01-30 13:13 +0000
        Video recording Speccy games in FUSE Ivan Shmakov <oneingray@gmail.com> - 2013-01-30 13:31 +0000
          Re: Video recording Speccy games in FUSE deKay <andyk@lofi-gaming.org.uk.invalid> - 2013-01-30 13:50 +0000
            Re: Video recording Speccy games in FUSE Andrew Owen <aowen10@mail.bbk.ac.uk> - 2013-01-31 12:33 +0000
              Re: Video recording Speccy games in FUSE deKay <andyk@lofi-gaming.org.uk.invalid> - 2013-01-31 12:55 +0000
        Re: Video recording Speccy games on a Mac Fred <fredm@spamcop.net> - 2013-01-30 07:54 -0600
          Bug: audio2tape(1) emits warnings with non-printable ASCII codes Ivan Shmakov <oneingray@gmail.com> - 2013-01-30 15:25 +0000
            Re: audio2tape(1) emits warnings with non-printable ASCII codes Fred <fredm@spamcop.net> - 2013-01-31 07:26 -0600
    Re: Video recording Speccy games on a Mac Ivan Shmakov <oneingray@gmail.com> - 2013-01-30 12:46 +0000
    Re: Video recording Speccy games on a Mac SamTek <rogerjowett@gmail.com> - 2013-01-31 03:09 -0800

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#1847 — Video recording Speccy games on a Mac

FromdeKay <andyk@lofi-gaming.org.uk.invalid>
Date2013-01-29 20:55 +0000
SubjectVideo recording Speccy games on a Mac
Message-ID<alpine.OSX.2.00.1301292054190.89097@imac.dekay.sytes.net>
I did ask this a couple of years ago, but I wonder if things have moved 
on...

I want to record myself playing Speccy games on an emulator. Which Mac 
(Snow Leopard or Lion, if that matters) based emulators let me do this?

deKay
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#1858

FromFred <fredm@spamcop.net>
Date2013-01-30 01:41 -0600
Message-ID<113128514381223371.493744fredm-spamcop.net@news.iinet.net.au>
In reply to#1847
deKay <andyk@lofi-gaming.org.uk.invalid> wrote:
> I want to record myself playing Speccy games on an emulator. Which Mac
> (Snow Leopard or Lion, if that matters) based emulators let me do this?

The new Fuse beta allows saving gameplay to FMF files and fuse-utils comes
with a package fmfconv that lets you transcode to various ffmpeg formats
(H.264, DVD etc. ). 

Download from the files section of the fuse-for-macosx sourceforge page
though I haven't yet looked at providing binaries of fmfconv. 

Fred

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#1859

FromdeKay <andyk@lofi-gaming.org.uk.invalid>
Date2013-01-30 10:43 +0000
Message-ID<alpine.OSX.2.00.1301301043160.89097@imac.dekay.sytes.net>
In reply to#1858
On Wed, 30 Jan 2013, Fred wrote:

> deKay <andyk@lofi-gaming.org.uk.invalid> wrote:
>> I want to record myself playing Speccy games on an emulator. Which Mac
>> (Snow Leopard or Lion, if that matters) based emulators let me do this?
>
> The new Fuse beta allows saving gameplay to FMF files and fuse-utils comes
> with a package fmfconv that lets you transcode to various ffmpeg formats
> (H.264, DVD etc. ).
>
> Download from the files section of the fuse-for-macosx sourceforge page
> though I haven't yet looked at providing binaries of fmfconv.

I shall take a look! Thanks!

deKay
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#1862

FromdeKay <andyk@lofi-gaming.org.uk.invalid>
Date2013-01-30 12:55 +0000
Message-ID<alpine.OSX.2.00.1301301255110.89097@imac.dekay.sytes.net>
In reply to#1858
On Wed, 30 Jan 2013, Fred wrote:

> deKay <andyk@lofi-gaming.org.uk.invalid> wrote:
>> I want to record myself playing Speccy games on an emulator. Which Mac
>> (Snow Leopard or Lion, if that matters) based emulators let me do this?
>
> The new Fuse beta allows saving gameplay to FMF files and fuse-utils comes
> with a package fmfconv that lets you transcode to various ffmpeg formats
> (H.264, DVD etc. ).
>
> Download from the files section of the fuse-for-macosx sourceforge page
> though I haven't yet looked at providing binaries of fmfconv.

OK, so how can I get hold of fmfconv that works on OSX? I could probably 
build it if it'll do so with Xcode?

deKay
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#1867

FromFred <fredm@spamcop.net>
Date2013-01-30 07:54 -0600
Message-ID<1817047198381246536.272298fredm-spamcop.net@news.iinet.net.au>
In reply to#1862
deKay <andyk@lofi-gaming.org.uk.invalid> wrote:.
> OK, so how can I get hold of fmfconv that works on OSX? I could probably
> build it if it'll do so with Xcode?

I need to do a statically linked build on the command line (I'll look this
weekend). It doesn't build with Xcode. 

Fred

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#1868

FromSamTek <rogerjowett@gmail.com>
Date2013-01-30 06:15 -0800
Message-ID<57f145ca-ac31-442b-8d68-8cc37c9b7f84@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#1867
anyone add rewind to rzx?
or get it to work on real hardware?

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#1870

FromdeKay <andyk@lofi-gaming.org.uk.invalid>
Date2013-01-30 14:21 +0000
Message-ID<alpine.OSX.2.00.1301301420340.89097@imac.dekay.sytes.net>
In reply to#1868
On Wed, 30 Jan 2013, SamTek wrote:

> anyone add rewind to rzx?
> or get it to work on real hardware?

Thanks for totally missing the point.

How did you lot in here cope with this guy?

deKay
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#1871

FromIvan Shmakov <oneingray@gmail.com>
Date2013-01-30 14:50 +0000
Message-ID<874nhy7mia.fsf@violet.siamics.net>
In reply to#1870
>>>>> deKay  <andyk@lofi-gaming.org.uk.invalid> writes:
>>>>> On Wed, 30 Jan 2013, SamTek wrote:

	[Cross-posting to news:news.misc.]

 >> anyone add rewind to rzx?  or get it to work on real hardware?

 > Thanks for totally missing the point.

 > How did you lot in here cope with this guy?

	There's that little-known KILLFILE feature in every other
	newsreader currently in existence.

	Thanks for bringing him back from the oblivion by the means of
	quoting, however.

	(Well, just kidding, as I don't actually use Gnus scoring for
	this group.  The others may, though.)

-- 
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#1872

FromdeKay <andyk@lofi-gaming.org.uk.invalid>
Date2013-01-30 15:17 +0000
Message-ID<alpine.OSX.2.00.1301301516580.89097@imac.dekay.sytes.net>
In reply to#1871
On Wed, 30 Jan 2013, Ivan Shmakov wrote:

> 	There's that little-known KILLFILE feature in every other
> 	newsreader currently in existence.
>
> 	Thanks for bringing him back from the oblivion by the means of
> 	quoting, however.
>
> 	(Well, just kidding, as I don't actually use Gnus scoring for
> 	this group.  The others may, though.)

I haven't used a killfile in years! I certainly won't start now. I'll just 
be ignoring him instead.

deKay
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#1875

FromSamTek <rogerjowett@gmail.com>
Date2013-01-31 03:08 -0800
Message-ID<6a9090a0-102a-4523-a2c4-e81518475126@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#1872
On Wednesday, 30 January 2013 15:17:33 UTC, deKay  wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Jan 2013, Ivan Shmakov wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> > 	There's that little-known KILLFILE feature in every other
> 
> > 	newsreader currently in existence.
> 
> >
> 
> > 	Thanks for bringing him back from the oblivion by the means of
> 
> > 	quoting, however.
> 
> >
> 
> > 	(Well, just kidding, as I don't actually use Gnus scoring for
> 
> > 	this group.  The others may, though.)
> 
> 
> 
> I haven't used a killfile in years! I certainly won't start now. I'll just 
> 
> be ignoring him instead.
> 
> 
> 
> deKay
> 
> -- 
> 
>   Lofi Gaming - http://lofi-gaming.org.uk
> 
>   Gaming Diary - http://lofi-gaming.org.uk/diary
> 
>   Blog - http://lofi-gaming.org.uk/blog
> 
>   My computer runs at 3.5MHz and I'm proud of that

vully for you you twat

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#1883 — killfiles

FromIvan Shmakov <oneingray@gmail.com>
Date2013-01-31 13:06 +0000
Subjectkillfiles
Message-ID<87sj5h5wom.fsf_-_@violet.siamics.net>
In reply to#1872
>>>>> deKay  <andyk@lofi-gaming.org.uk.invalid> writes:
>>>>> On Wed, 30 Jan 2013, Ivan Shmakov wrote:

 >> There's that little-known KILLFILE feature in every other newsreader
 >> currently in existence.

 >> Thanks for bringing him back from the oblivion by the means of
 >> quoting, however.

 >> (Well, just kidding, as I don't actually use Gnus scoring for this
 >> group.  The others may, though.)

 > I haven't used a killfile in years!  I certainly won't start now.
 > I'll just be ignoring him instead.

	Does that mean that, effectively, you're going use a "wetware"
	implementation of killfiles?

	Well, that's my current preference for low-traffic groups, too.

-- 
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#1896

Fromkorax1214@gmail.com
Date2013-02-02 04:59 -0800
Message-ID<01230985-f073-4d5d-8bf3-0b304b24486f@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#1872
On Wednesday, 30 January 2013 15:17:33 UTC, deKay  wrote:
> I haven't used a killfile in years! I certainly won't start now. I'll just 
> be ignoring him instead.

I'm on Google Groups so can't use a killfile; hence I too just ignore SpamTrek's posts.  Except for the one the other day, when I couldn't resist giving him a taste of his own rubbish by deliberately misconstruing his use of the term "DMA", which is the sort of thing he does, except probably not on purpose.

However, if I were running Agent, he would have ended in my killfile long ago.  Just as the emails he still persists in sending me, despite my saying here more than once that they will all be deleted unopened, arrive in my Spam folder with the rest of the junk mail.

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#1898

FromDuncan Snowden <duncan_s@talktalk.net>
Date2013-02-03 16:42 +0000
Message-ID<20130203164236.131e0135@talktalk.net>
In reply to#1896
On Sat, 2 Feb 2013 04:59:58 -0800 (PST)
korax1214@gmail.com wrote:

> I'm on Google Groups so can't use a killfile

Let's hear it for Progress, folks! All those luddites cowering in
corners with their local NNTP clients don't know what they're missing...

-- 
Duncan Snowden.

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#1899 — Google Groups

FromIvan Shmakov <oneingray@gmail.com>
Date2013-02-03 17:33 +0000
SubjectGoogle Groups
Message-ID<878v751ew1.fsf_-_@violet.siamics.net>
In reply to#1898
>>>>> Duncan Snowden <duncan_s@talktalk.net> writes:
>>>>> On Sat, 2 Feb 2013 04:59:58 -0800 (PST) korax1214@gmail.com wrote:

	[Cross-posting to news:comp.internet.services.google and
	news:news.misc, and setting Followup-To: there.]

 >> I'm on Google Groups so can't use a killfile

 > Let's hear it for Progress, folks!  All those luddites cowering in
 > corners with their local NNTP clients don't know what they're
 > missing...

	The problem of the "Usenet proper" is not that NNTP user agents
	are inherently "worse" than HTTP ones, but that setting up one
	of the former is easily ten times as hard as setting up a
	Google Groups account, especially for those who already have
	accounts on a dozen of other Web services.

	However, I believe that there /can/ be a Usenet-like (or
	Fidonet-like, if you like) network, with all the "killfiles and
	local spools" of Usenet, yet as simple as taking a few clicks to
	set up an account -- either free or paid for, and allowing all
	the weird stuff common to the Web of today, such as exchanging
	photos and the like.

	Somehow, however, it makes me doubt that those active on today's
	Usenet will be the ones to bring such a new network into
	existence, or even to join one once it's started...

	... Thanks to Google Groups, however, for providing easy access
	to my posts for my less computer-savvy acquaintances.
	Unfortunately, now that they're making a switch to a
	JavaScript-based interface, my guess is that they won't be
	accessible anymore to anyone but those who use one of the
	"major" browsers.  FWIW, I've left them the following bit as
	"the reason I opted to use the old interface:"

    Unfortunately, the new version relies on running site-provided
    executable (JavaScript) code on my computer, which, although not as
    insecure as running site-provided .exe files, I still do not
    anticipate.

    Besides, it's incompatible with Lynx, my browser of choice.

	I guess, there's still hope that given enough feedback of such a
	kind, they may revert their decision to take the current,
	pure-HTML, interface down.

-- 
FSF associate member #7257

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#2169 — Re: Google Groups

FromSamTek <rogerjowett@gmail.com>
Date2013-03-29 06:38 -0700
SubjectRe: Google Groups
Message-ID<fb4f8e5f-68c3-4a93-b716-94e894d6da37@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#1899
On Sunday, 3 February 2013 17:33:18 UTC, Ivan Shmakov  wrote:
> >>>>> Duncan Snowden <duncan_s@talktalk.net> writes:
> 
> >>>>> On Sat, 2 Feb 2013 04:59:58 -0800 (PST) korax1214@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 	[Cross-posting to news:comp.internet.services.google and
> 
> 	news:news.misc, and setting Followup-To: there.]
> 
> 
> 
>  >> I'm on Google Groups so can't use a killfile
> 
> 
> 
>  > Let's hear it for Progress, folks!  All those luddites cowering in
> 
>  > corners with their local NNTP clients don't know what they're
> 
>  > missing...
> 
> 
> 
> 	The problem of the "Usenet proper" is not that NNTP user agents
> 
> 	are inherently "worse" than HTTP ones, but that setting up one
> 
> 	of the former is easily ten times as hard as setting up a
> 
> 	Google Groups account, especially for those who already have
> 
> 	accounts on a dozen of other Web services.
> 
> 
> 
> 	However, I believe that there /can/ be a Usenet-like (or
> 
> 	Fidonet-like, if you like) network, with all the "killfiles and
> 
> 	local spools" of Usenet, yet as simple as taking a few clicks to
> 
> 	set up an account -- either free or paid for, and allowing all
> 
> 	the weird stuff common to the Web of today, such as exchanging
> 
> 	photos and the like.
> 
> 
> 
> 	Somehow, however, it makes me doubt that those active on today's
> 
> 	Usenet will be the ones to bring such a new network into
> 
> 	existence, or even to join one once it's started...
> 
> 
> 
> 	... Thanks to Google Groups, however, for providing easy access
> 
> 	to my posts for my less computer-savvy acquaintances.
> 
> 	Unfortunately, now that they're making a switch to a
> 
> 	JavaScript-based interface, my guess is that they won't be
> 
> 	accessible anymore to anyone but those who use one of the
> 
> 	"major" browsers.  FWIW, I've left them the following bit as
> 
> 	"the reason I opted to use the old interface:"
> 
> 
> 
>     Unfortunately, the new version relies on running site-provided
> 
>     executable (JavaScript) code on my computer, which, although not as
> 
>     insecure as running site-provided .exe files, I still do not
> 
>     anticipate.
> 
> 
> 
>     Besides, it's incompatible with Lynx, my browser of choice.
> 
> 
> 
> 	I guess, there's still hope that given enough feedback of such a
> 
> 	kind, they may revert their decision to take the current,
> 
> 	pure-HTML, interface down.
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> FSF associate member #7257

is it possible to record two types of avi video file
one at 50Hz and one at 60Hz - most people are watching zx spectrum pal 50Hz tv video recordings on 60Hz monitors on there pc
that is what is ruining them

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#2173 — Re: Google Groups

From"Brian Gaff" <Briang1@blueyonder.co.uk>
Date2013-03-30 09:33 +0000
SubjectRe: Google Groups
Message-ID<kj6bdo$1n3$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#2169
I don't want any of that, I like text only, but then I'm rather biased 
against web forums for hopefully obvious reasons. What the heck is hard 
about setting up a news client? If you can set up an email client then you 
can set up a news one, and with the current high profile of yahoo etc having 
their webmail address books raided, I'm keeping my address book safe and on 
a machine I can turn off when I go to bed or am othersie engaged, nudg 
nudge.

 Brian

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From the Sofa of Brian Gaff Reply address is  active
"SamTek" <rogerjowett@gmail.com> wrote in message 
news:fb4f8e5f-68c3-4a93-b716-94e894d6da37@googlegroups.com...
> On Sunday, 3 February 2013 17:33:18 UTC, Ivan Shmakov  wrote:
>> >>>>> Duncan Snowden <duncan_s@talktalk.net> writes:
>>
>> >>>>> On Sat, 2 Feb 2013 04:59:58 -0800 (PST) korax1214@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> [Cross-posting to news:comp.internet.services.google and
>>
>> news:news.misc, and setting Followup-To: there.]
>>
>>
>>
>>  >> I'm on Google Groups so can't use a killfile
>>
>>
>>
>>  > Let's hear it for Progress, folks!  All those luddites cowering in
>>
>>  > corners with their local NNTP clients don't know what they're
>>
>>  > missing...
>>
>>
>>
>> The problem of the "Usenet proper" is not that NNTP user agents
>>
>> are inherently "worse" than HTTP ones, but that setting up one
>>
>> of the former is easily ten times as hard as setting up a
>>
>> Google Groups account, especially for those who already have
>>
>> accounts on a dozen of other Web services.
>>
>>
>>
>> However, I believe that there /can/ be a Usenet-like (or
>>
>> Fidonet-like, if you like) network, with all the "killfiles and
>>
>> local spools" of Usenet, yet as simple as taking a few clicks to
>>
>> set up an account -- either free or paid for, and allowing all
>>
>> the weird stuff common to the Web of today, such as exchanging
>>
>> photos and the like.
>>
>>
>>
>> Somehow, however, it makes me doubt that those active on today's
>>
>> Usenet will be the ones to bring such a new network into
>>
>> existence, or even to join one once it's started...
>>
>>
>>
>> ... Thanks to Google Groups, however, for providing easy access
>>
>> to my posts for my less computer-savvy acquaintances.
>>
>> Unfortunately, now that they're making a switch to a
>>
>> JavaScript-based interface, my guess is that they won't be
>>
>> accessible anymore to anyone but those who use one of the
>>
>> "major" browsers.  FWIW, I've left them the following bit as
>>
>> "the reason I opted to use the old interface:"
>>
>>
>>
>>     Unfortunately, the new version relies on running site-provided
>>
>>     executable (JavaScript) code on my computer, which, although not as
>>
>>     insecure as running site-provided .exe files, I still do not
>>
>>     anticipate.
>>
>>
>>
>>     Besides, it's incompatible with Lynx, my browser of choice.
>>
>>
>>
>> I guess, there's still hope that given enough feedback of such a
>>
>> kind, they may revert their decision to take the current,
>>
>> pure-HTML, interface down.
>>
>>
>>
>> -- 
>>
>> FSF associate member #7257
>
> is it possible to record two types of avi video file
> one at 50Hz and one at 60Hz - most people are watching zx spectrum pal 
> 50Hz tv video recordings on 60Hz monitors on there pc
> that is what is ruining them 

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#2174 — Re: Google Groups

FromGuesser <alistair@alistairsserver.no-ip.org>
Date2013-03-30 11:18 +0000
SubjectRe: Google Groups
Message-ID<kj6hhk$qsj$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#2173
On 30/03/2013 09:33, Brian Gaff wrote:
> If you can set up an email client then you can set up a news one

While it seems bizarre to people like you and me, most people seem to 
have forgotten what "native client" means.

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#2175 — Re: Google Groups

FromAndrew Owen <aowen10@mail.bbk.ac.uk>
Date2013-03-30 16:39 +0000
SubjectRe: Google Groups
Message-ID<kj74gr$b49$1@speranza.aioe.org>
In reply to#2174
I suspect most people can't set up an email client these days either.

On 30/03/2013 11:18, Guesser wrote:
> On 30/03/2013 09:33, Brian Gaff wrote:
>> If you can set up an email client then you can set up a news one
>
> While it seems bizarre to people like you and me, most people seem to
> have forgotten what "native client" means.

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#2177 — Re: Google Groups

Fromjgharston <jgh@mdfs.net>
Date2013-04-01 12:45 -0700
SubjectRe: Google Groups
Message-ID<5a19c507-0c60-43a1-b051-2c6739656643@j9g2000vbz.googlegroups.com>
In reply to#2175
Andrew Owen wrote:
> I suspect most people can't set up an email client these days either.

In my experience most people don't even *know* what an email client
is, they think everything is "the web", and access everything via the
web.

JGH

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#2179 — Re: Google Groups

From"Paul E Collins" <equi@cl4.invalid>
Date2013-04-02 10:53 +0100
SubjectRe: Google Groups
Message-ID<op.wuwq20hn34qdui@flay.home>
In reply to#2177
On Mon, 01 Apr 2013 20:45:42 +0100, jgharston <jgh@mdfs.net> wrote:

> Andrew Owen wrote:
>> I suspect most people can't set up an email client these days either.
>
> In my experience most people don't even *know* what an email client
> is, they think everything is "the web", and access everything via the
> web.

Whose bright idea was it to ditch decades of desktop UI experience and  
reimplement everything in slow, clunky JavaScript? Would have made much  
more sense IMO just to develop some good cloud/network technologies and  
attach them to fast, responsive desktop apps, rather than trying to  
reinvent Windows entirely in a browser.

Slightly relatedly, has anyone else felt that it's a pity that most modern  
software will become lost and unrunnable -- since it neeeds a (usually  
private and unreleased) server side as well as the client side -- and even  
the client side doesn't come in a box with manuals, but is a bunch of  
pages on a Web site that nobody would bother to save anywhere? I can't  
imagine a future WoS-type site being able to preserve any of the current  
Web-based applications, so they'll be gone forever except for screenshots.

Eq.

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