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  The Crap Games Competition name... R-Tape <stonechatproductions@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-07-28 12:04 -0700
    Re: The Crap Games Competition name... Guesser <alistair@alistairsserver.no-ip.org> - 2013-07-28 21:58 +0100
      Re: The Crap Games Competition name... R-Tape <stonechatproductions@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-07-29 03:42 -0700
        Re: The Crap Games Competition name... Guesser <alistair@alistairsserver.no-ip.org> - 2013-07-29 15:24 +0100
          Re: The Crap Games Competition name... deKay <andyk@lofi-gaming.org.uk.invalid> - 2013-08-12 09:33 +0100
    Re: The Crap Games Competition name... "Chris Young" <chris.usenet@mail-filter.com> - 2013-07-28 23:42 +0100
      Re: The Crap Games Competition name... "Chris Cowley" <chrrris@gmail.com> - 2013-07-29 02:51 +0000
      Re: The Crap Games Competition name... R-Tape <stonechatproductions@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-07-29 03:45 -0700
    Re: The Crap Games Competition name... "Chris Young" <chris.usenet@mail-filter.com> - 2013-07-28 23:45 +0100
      Re: The Crap Games Competition name... R-Tape <stonechatproductions@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-07-29 03:54 -0700
        Re: The Crap Games Competition name... "Chris Young" <chris.usenet@mail-filter.com> - 2013-07-29 21:01 +0100
          Re: The Crap Games Competition name... Guesser <alistair@alistairsserver.no-ip.org> - 2013-07-29 21:05 +0100
            Re: The Crap Games Competition name... "Chris Young" <chris.usenet@mail-filter.com> - 2013-07-30 00:41 +0100
    Re: The Crap Games Competition name... Duncan Snowden <duncan_s@talktalk.net> - 2013-07-28 21:07 +0100
      Re: The Crap Games Competition name... "Chris Cowley" <chrrris@gmail.com> - 2013-07-30 00:24 +0000
        Re: The Crap Games Competition name... Duncan Snowden <duncan_s@talktalk.net> - 2013-07-30 02:21 +0100
    Re: The Crap Games Competition name... "Llama-Wax Len" <alan@spamthis.spamthat.spam> - 2013-07-29 21:16 +0100
      Re: The Crap Games Competition name... Duncan Snowden <duncan_s@talktalk.net> - 2013-07-30 02:20 +0100
        Re: The Crap Games Competition name... spike1@freenet.co.uk - 2013-08-07 03:28 +0100
    Re: The Crap Games Competition name... "Paul E Collins" <equi@cl4.invalid> - 2013-08-09 10:31 +0100
      Re: The Crap Games Competition name... "Paul E Collins" <equi@cl4.invalid> - 2013-08-14 21:06 +0100
        Re: The Crap Games Competition name... R-Tape <stonechatproductions@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-08-17 17:07 -0700
        Re: The Crap Games Competition name... R-Tape <stonechatproductions@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-09-14 10:03 -0700

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#2334 — The Crap Games Competition name...

Hi all

Just wanted to test the water on this.

We're over halfway into this year's CGC and I've been looking at the provenance of the entries, and hardly any, if any, can be described as being from the CSS.

To take into account the varied source of the entries I wonder how you guys would feel if the competition name was to be changed to the 'Sinclair Crap Games Competition' instead?

I still think the host should be obliged to keep CSS and WOS (& possibly some Swedish & Russian speccy forums) up to date, and ensure the CSS origins of the comp are known.

I'm choosing to raise this now because if I do it at the end of the year, next year's host would have to bear the stress if it was an unpopular idea & that's not fair on them.

I've not mentioned this anywhere else so far, keen to know what the CSS thinks first :-)

Cheers

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#2335

On 28/07/2013 20:04, R-Tape wrote:
> I've not mentioned this anywhere else so far, keen to know what the CSS thinks first :-)
>

Marshmallows! Get yer Marshmallows here!

:-p

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#2339

On Sunday, July 28, 2013 9:58:34 PM UTC+1, Guesser wrote:
> On 28/07/2013 20:04, R-Tape wrote: > I've not mentioned this anywhere else so far, keen to know what the CSS thinks first :-) > Marshmallows! Get yer Marshmallows here! :-p

Heh, just read the thread & it looks like I won't be flayed alive :-p

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#2342

On 29/07/2013 11:42, R-Tape wrote:
> On Sunday, July 28, 2013 9:58:34 PM UTC+1, Guesser wrote:
>> On 28/07/2013 20:04, R-Tape wrote: > I've not mentioned this anywhere else so far, keen to know what the CSS thinks first :-) > Marshmallows! Get yer Marshmallows here! :-p
>
> Heh, just read the thread & it looks like I won't be flayed alive :-p
>

The old guard haven't replied yet, don't count your chickens too early :p

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#2372

On Mon, 29 Jul 2013, Guesser wrote:

> On 29/07/2013 11:42, R-Tape wrote:
>> On Sunday, July 28, 2013 9:58:34 PM UTC+1, Guesser wrote:
>>> On 28/07/2013 20:04, R-Tape wrote: > I've not mentioned this anywhere else 
>>> so far, keen to know what the CSS thinks first :-) > Marshmallows! Get yer 
>>> Marshmallows here! :-p
>> 
>> Heh, just read the thread & it looks like I won't be flayed alive :-p
>> 
>
> The old guard haven't replied yet, don't count your chickens too early :p

I would prefer the name is kept as is. Assuming I have any say in the 
matter, of course.

*hiccup*

deKay
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#2336

On Sun, 28 Jul 2013 12:04:42 -0700 (PDT) da kidz on comp.sys.sinclair were rappin'
to MC R-Tape:

> To take into account the varied source of the entries I wonder how
> you guys would feel if the competition name was to be changed to the
> 'Sinclair Crap Games Competition' instead?

Hmm, this looks like a tax dodge.  Remove CSS from teh name of the
CSSCGC and you're saving, what? 75p and a packet of Rolos? Every time
you plug comp.sys.sinclair elsewhere? (hold on, I think you might have
that the wrong way round; the plug tax is for people plugging other
stuff in CSS, not plugging CSS to other people - Ed) Is it? (Yes - Ed)
Oh.

In seriousness, I'd rather it stayed as the CSSCGC, even if the "CSS"
part no longer meant anything.  Everybody knows it as the CSSCGC, and
it's easy to search for.  If it starts being the SCGC it immediately
becomes less recognisable, and you're competing on Google against the
might of the Santa Cruz Guitar Company (no, really), and the Sugar
Cane Growers Co-operative (again, really).

It's also a nod to its heritage, even if it becomes the "CSS Crap
Games Compo".  Or it could be the "Creative Sinclair Spectrum Crap
Games Compo" or something.

(and the reason there are so few entries from c.s.s is because hardly
anybody visits c.s.s. anymore.  I was going to write Theatre Korea - a
Korean Peninsula themed Theatre Europe-alike - but I didn't find
enough motivation and it's no longer topical)

Chris


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#2338

Chris Young wrote:

> In seriousness, I'd rather it stayed as the CSSCGC, even if the "CSS"
> part no longer meant anything.  Everybody knows it as the CSSCGC, and
> it's easy to search for.

^^^ This. If the CSSCGC can't be nostalgic and ironic about the old
days when more than 4 people used to read usenet then it's all worth
nothing at all. :p

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#2340

On Sunday, July 28, 2013 11:42:38 PM UTC+1, Chris Young wrote:
> On Sun, 28 Jul 2013 12:04:42 -0700 (PDT) da kidz on comp.sys.sinclair were rappin' to MC R-Tape: > To take into account the varied source of the entries I wonder how > you guys would feel if the competition name was to be changed to the > 'Sinclair Crap Games Competition' instead? Hmm, this looks like a tax dodge. Remove CSS from teh name of the CSSCGC and you're saving, what? 75p and a packet of Rolos? Every time you plug comp.sys.sinclair elsewhere? (hold on, I think you might have that the wrong way round; the plug tax is for people plugging other stuff in CSS, not plugging CSS to other people - Ed) Is it? (Yes - Ed) Oh. In seriousness, I'd rather it stayed as the CSSCGC, even if the "CSS" part no longer meant anything. Everybody knows it as the CSSCGC, and it's easy to search for. If it starts being the SCGC it immediately becomes less recognisable, and you're competing on Google against the might of the Santa Cruz Guitar Company (no, really), and the Sugar Cane Growers Co-operative (again, really). It's also a nod to its heritage, even if it becomes the "CSS Crap Games Compo". Or it could be the "Creative Sinclair Spectrum Crap Games Compo" or something. (and the reason there are so few entries from c.s.s is because hardly anybody visits c.s.s. anymore. I was going to write Theatre Korea - a Korean Peninsula themed Theatre Europe-alike - but I didn't find enough motivation and it's no longer topical) Chris -- +-------------------------------------------+ | Unsatisfactory Software - "because it is" | | http://www.unsatisfactorysoftware.co.uk | | Your Sinclair: A Celebration | +- http://www.yoursinclair.co.uk -----------+ DISCLAIMER: I may be making all this stuff up again.

If at least a couple of people want to keep CSS (=comp sys sinclair) that's good enough for me.  It's only if the reponse was total indifference I would have pursued it further.

It would be nice if there were more entries from CSS people though :-)

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#2337

On Sun, 28 Jul 2013 12:04:42 -0700 (PDT) da kidz on comp.sys.sinclair were rappin'
to MC R-Tape:

> We're over halfway into this year's CGC and I've been looking at the
> provenance of the entries, and hardly any, if any, can be described
> as being

I honestly expected the next word to be "crap" when I first read that.
I thought you were proposing to change it into the CSSGGC or
something (CSS Good Games Compo).

Chris


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#2341

On Sunday, July 28, 2013 11:45:58 PM UTC+1, Chris Young wrote:
> On Sun, 28 Jul 2013 12:04:42 -0700 (PDT) da kidz on comp.sys.sinclair were rappin' to MC R-Tape: > We're over halfway into this year's CGC and I've been looking at the > provenance of the entries, and hardly any, if any, can be described > as being I honestly expected the next word to be "crap" when I first read that. I thought you were proposing to change it into the CSSGGC or something (CSS Good Games Compo). Chris -- +-------------------------------------------+ | Unsatisfactory Software - "because it is" | | http://www.unsatisfactorysoftware.co.uk | | Your Sinclair: A Celebration | +- http://www.yoursinclair.co.uk -----------+ DISCLAIMER: I may be making all this stuff up again.

I couldn't possibly agree with that!  We've had some 65 entries so far, and although 20 of those could be described as good, they still have some naff elements to them.  If I get worried about the baseline quality being too high I just go and have a game of Joystick Hero* and that sets my mind at rest.

If you think the games are too good though it's a good time to get some truly crappy games submitted :-p

*not a euphemism!

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#2344

On Mon, 29 Jul 2013 03:54:18 -0700 (PDT) da kidz on comp.sys.sinclair were rappin'
to MC R-Tape:

> If you think the games are too good though it's a good time to get
> some truly crappy games submitted :-p

Oh, no, I wasn't saying that!  It's just sometimes the CGC attracts
entries that are somewhat too good, and I thought (having not checked
out the entries for a while) that maybe you'd had an influx of them.

I enjoy the fact some of the games submitted are actually quite good. 
It adds an element of surprise.  Crap game, crap game, crap game, crap
game, cr.. woah! What is this?! I would have paid £1.99 for this back
in 1984!

Chris


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#2345

On 29/07/2013 21:01, Chris Young wrote:
> Oh, no, I wasn't saying that!  It's just sometimes the CGC attracts
> entries that are somewhat too good, and I thought (having not checked
> out the entries for a while) that maybe you'd had an influx of them.
>

I heard some idiot submitted a game written in machine code with 
multiple sprites and AY music.

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#2347

On Mon, 29 Jul 2013 21:05:32 +0100 da kidz on comp.sys.sinclair were rappin'
to MC Guesser:

> On 29/07/2013 21:01, Chris Young wrote:
> > Oh, no, I wasn't saying that!  It's just sometimes the CGC attracts
> > entries that are somewhat too good, and I thought (having not checked
> > out the entries for a while) that maybe you'd had an influx of them.
> >
> 
> I heard some idiot submitted a game written in machine code with 
> multiple sprites and AY music.

What a twat.  That sort of competence should not go unpunished!

Chris


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#2343

On Sun, 28 Jul 2013 12:04:42 -0700 (PDT)
R-Tape <stonechatproductions@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> To take into account the varied source of the entries I wonder how
> you guys would feel if the competition name was to be changed to the
> 'Sinclair Crap Games Competition' instead?

It would be sad to see the name changed - almost like another nail in
CSS's coffin - but I can see your point. I've certainly never done
anything to support it, so can't really complain (it's one of those
things I've always meant to do, but never seem to get round to[1]).

Having said that, I'm surely not the only one who feels that there's
something appropriately crap - and quite funny - about it still being
named after a Usenet group. Your call (in consultation with everyone
else, of course), but I'd bear that in mind.

[1] I think I wrote an entry once, but didn't submit it.[2] Maybe
    I'll stumble across it one of these days.

[2] Which is *really* crap and should have won me the prize, in my
    opinion.

-- 
Duncan Snowden.

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#2348

Duncan Snowden wrote:

> It would be sad to see the name changed - almost like another nail in
> CSS's coffin - but I can see your point.

I think CSS must be 98% nails and only 2% actual coffin now.

The IRC channel that went on to become #speccy was initially called
#css, on EFFNet. And it was created around the same time something
called cascading style sheets for HTML were invented (they'll never
catch on...). I remember we used to get all manner of silly folk in
that channel who couldn't understand why we kept talking about crisps
and rubbish 8 bit computers instead of "cutting edge" web development
technologies.

It was quite funny.

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#2352

On Tue, 30 Jul 2013 00:24:51 +0000 (UTC)
"Chris Cowley" <chrrris@gmail.com> wrote:

> I think CSS must be 98% nails and only 2% actual coffin now.

That'll be the new decoffinated CSS, then.

Eyethangyew.

-- 
Duncan Snowden.

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#2346

I will add my voice to the masses - well, the handful - who say keep CSS in 
the name. Even though I barely post, haven't participated in the competition 
for years, haven't actually played a Speccy game for yonks and so on, I will 
still take to the streets and set things on fire[1] in protest if it 
changes.

[1]By which I really mean I'll probably mutter something like "that's a 
shame" and then forget all about it.

Len 

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#2351

On Mon, 29 Jul 2013 21:16:34 +0100
"Llama-Wax Len" <alan@spamthis.spamthat.spam> wrote:

> I will add my voice to the masses - well, the handful - who say keep
> CSS in the name. Even though I barely post, haven't participated in
> the competition for years, haven't actually played a Speccy game for
> yonks and so on, I will still take to the streets and set things on
> fire[1] in protest if it changes.
> 
> [1]By which I really mean I'll probably mutter something like "that's
> a shame" and then forget all about it.

And I will join you on the barricades[1], brother![2]

[1] Rustling my Telegraph and muttering something about the world goin'
    to the dogs.

[2] Bloke I've never met.

-- 
Duncan Snowden.

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#2368

And verily, didst Duncan Snowden <duncan_s@talktalk.net> hastily babble thusly:
> On Mon, 29 Jul 2013 21:16:34 +0100
> "Llama-Wax Len" <alan@spamthis.spamthat.spam> wrote:
> 
>> I will add my voice to the masses - well, the handful - who say keep
>> CSS in the name. Even though I barely post, haven't participated in
>> the competition for years, haven't actually played a Speccy game for
>> yonks and so on, I will still take to the streets and set things on
>> fire[1] in protest if it changes.
>> 
>> [1]By which I really mean I'll probably mutter something like "that's
>> a shame" and then forget all about it.
> 
> And I will join you on the barricades[1], brother![2]
> 
> [1] Rustling my Telegraph and muttering something about the world goin'
>    to the dogs.
> 
> [2] Bloke I've never met.
> 

ditto. CSS is not dead no matter how many times people (like the
indisputably crap nickh) keep trying to say it is. OK, I've not submitted a
game for a few years either. I had the odd idea but never got around to
honing it to imperfection.

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#2371

On Sun, 28 Jul 2013 20:04:42 +0100, R-Tape  
<stonechatproductions@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> To take into account the varied source of the entries I wonder how you  
> guys would feel if the competition name was to be changed to the  
> 'Sinclair Crap Games Competition' instead?

Nah, should keep the name. It's historically meaningful and still slightly  
accurate, and the competition has never excluded entries from other  
sources.

I do want to do an entry this year, time/effort permitting. 2012 was the  
first year in about a decade that I failed to enter anything!

Eq.

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