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  Usenet korax1214@gmail.com - 2012-12-24 12:44 -0800
    Re: Usenet "Brian Gaff" <briang1@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2012-12-25 01:36 +0000
      Re: Usenet korax1214@gmail.com - 2012-12-25 06:09 -0800
    Re: Usenet Guesser <alistair@alistairsserver.no-ip.org> - 2012-12-25 13:11 +0000
    Re: Usenet Duncan Snowden <duncan_s@talktalk.net> - 2012-12-25 15:41 +0000
      Re: Usenet Hg <Hg@Hg.Hg> - 2012-12-27 08:27 +0500
        Re: Usenet Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2012-12-28 21:01 +0000
          Re: Usenet Guesser <alistair@alistairsserver.no-ip.org> - 2012-12-28 21:09 +0000
            Re: Usenet "dott.Piergiorgio" <chiedetelo@ask.me> - 2012-12-29 09:49 +0100
        Re: Usenet "Ian B" <noemail@invalid.invalid> - 2013-01-07 05:22 +0000
    Re: Usenet deKay <andyk@lofi-gaming.org.uk.invalid> - 2012-12-27 20:29 +0000

#1709 — Usenet

I've received an email from Forte, claiming that "Usenet activity is growing dramatically".

What planet are they on?  Is this a Usenet which the rest of us haven't heard of, or perhaps one which is stuck in around 1999?  The Usenet I know is in decline, and has been for years...

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#1711

And of course this is on topic here is it? The problem with Usenet is not 
just one thing. For a start Google could very easily  use their dominant 
position to create a proper news server rather than the mickey mouse 
interface they provide, attempting to convince everyone they in fact own it. 
Oh and I see their mail lists that used to be accessed via email are now 
only subscribable via the web. Bah humbug.
 Then we have the loss of servers that are free to customers of a given isp. 
there are still some around, but for how long?
 It would be relatively easy to invent a much better interface via the web 
than Googles and then we could have cross talk with forums that at present 
are a pain in the backside to use and heavily censored.
 Usenet int he main is instant and you can say what you like but of course 
normal laws will prevail, so most say it in a way that won't lose them loads 
of dosh, but  you never get the chance on a forum, and why oh why cant we 
have a standard interface?

 Usenet is still here and  it needs a champion, so are you volunteering?

 Merry Christmas.

Brian

-- 
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The email is valid as briang1@blueyonder.co.uk
Blind user.
<korax1214@gmail.com> wrote in message 
news:11e125c3-47bb-4853-bf85-a8aca414d36f@googlegroups.com...
> I've received an email from Forte, claiming that "Usenet activity is 
> growing dramatically".
>
> What planet are they on?  Is this a Usenet which the rest of us haven't 
> heard of, or perhaps one which is stuck in around 1999?  The Usenet I know 
> is in decline, and has been for years... 

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#1714

What is this "on topic" of which you speak?  Are you complaining because my post wasn't about crisps or kids' TV? :-)

Crappy Hhistmas.  Or something.

On Tuesday, 25 December 2012 01:36:33 UTC, Brian Gaff  wrote:
> And of course this is on topic here is it?

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#1713

On 24/12/2012 20:44, korax1214@gmail.com wrote:
> I've received an email from Forte, claiming that "Usenet activity is growing dramatically".
>
> What planet are they on?  Is this a Usenet which the rest of us haven't heard of, or perhaps one which is stuck in around 1999?  The Usenet I know is in decline, and has been for years...
>


1999? don't be silly, it's only September 1993 now!

:p

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#1715

On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 12:44:04 -0800 (PST)
korax1214@gmail.com wrote:

> I've received an email from Forte, claiming that "Usenet activity is
> growing dramatically".
> 
> What planet are they on?  Is this a Usenet which the rest of us
> haven't heard of, or perhaps one which is stuck in around 1999?  The
> Usenet I know is in decline, and has been for years...

Binary groups, I expect. With The Authorities training their sights on
P2P and filesharing websites, I've certainly heard that Usenet has
seen a resurgence of interest among the scofflaw community. "Growing
dramatically", I wouldn't know, but it's not as daft as it sounds.

Oh, I almost forgot... Merry Ecksmas, everyone!

-- 
Duncan Snowden.

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#1718

On 25/12/2012 20:41, Duncan Snowden wrote:
> On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 12:44:04 -0800 (PST)
> korax1214@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I've received an email from Forte, claiming that "Usenet activity is
>> growing dramatically".
>>
>> What planet are they on?  Is this a Usenet which the rest of us
>> haven't heard of, or perhaps one which is stuck in around 1999?  The
>> Usenet I know is in decline, and has been for years...
>
> Binary groups, I expect. With The Authorities training their sights on
> P2P and filesharing websites, I've certainly heard that Usenet has
> seen a resurgence of interest among the scofflaw community. "Growing
> dramatically", I wouldn't know, but it's not as daft as it sounds.
>
> Oh, I almost forgot... Merry Ecksmas, everyone!
>

I've never understood how every other illegal method of file
dissemination has has had the screws tightened to breaking point,
all the while binary news servers have been left untouched.


-- 
                                                                        T

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#1728

Hg <Hg@Hg.Hg> writes:
> I've never understood how every other illegal method of file
> dissemination has has had the screws tightened to breaking point,
> all the while binary news servers have been left untouched.

Not completely untouched; Newzbin was sued and ISPs forced to block it
in this country.  But that was an indexing website; NNTP providers do
seem to be curiously immune to the attentions of copyright holders’
lawyers.

-- 
http://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/

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#1729

On 28/12/2012 21:01, Richard Kettlewell wrote:
> Not completely untouched; Newzbin was sued and ISPs forced to block it
> in this country.  But that was an indexing website; NNTP providers do
> seem to be curiously immune to the attentions of copyright holders’
> lawyers.
>

It is somewhat bizarre isn't it. They will go after sites which index 
torrent files or host trackers, which don't handle a single "stolen" 
byte themselves, yet there are loads of companies which store and 
forward actual infringing material[1] and no-one seems to do anything 
about them.

Guesser

[1] and they do it knowingly, advertising their service[2] as having 
good retention of binary groups. Does *anyone* use binary groups for 
legitimate stuff, and if so why?
[2] which they are making money off, and not just a handful of ad 
revenue like a torrent site.

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#1731

Il 28/12/2012 22:09, Guesser ha scritto:
> On 28/12/2012 21:01, Richard Kettlewell wrote:
>> Not completely untouched; Newzbin was sued and ISPs forced to block it
>> in this country.  But that was an indexing website; NNTP providers do
>> seem to be curiously immune to the attentions of copyright holders’
>> lawyers.
>>
>
> It is somewhat bizarre isn't it. They will go after sites which index
> torrent files or host trackers, which don't handle a single "stolen"
> byte themselves, yet there are loads of companies which store and
> forward actual infringing material[1] and no-one seems to do anything
> about them.
>
> Guesser
>
> [1] and they do it knowingly, advertising their service[2] as having
> good retention of binary groups. Does *anyone* use binary groups for
> legitimate stuff, and if so why?
> [2] which they are making money off, and not just a handful of ad
> revenue like a torrent site.

well, that this hopeless war is still fighted, amazed me on the power of 
corporate greed.... or legal firm's greed, if one prefers....

in few words, in finding heads & tails one must differentiate between 
actual pirates (people whose actually sells unauthorized copies) and 
peers & hackers (whose generally disagree on price tag of original 
and/or corporate policies on distribuition) not losing sight of the 
various tolerated "gray zones" (the anime fansub one, for example, whose 
gives a free market research tool, whose is critical in niche markets)

commercial non-gaming software (and the piracy/sharing of) is 
disappearing because, well, there's plenty of free legal alternatives, 
and the last redoubt of commercial software is, indeed, the game 
software, and the main mess on the 'Net and web of this year was around 
it (Anonymous, the $ony issues, the mediashare crackdown &c.) and is in 
this context of greed vs. openness that one should try to understand the 
issues and contradictions Richard and Guesser (apt nick in this context, 
I suppose ?) have pointed.

my 2 eurocents/pennies, and

Best regards from Italy & happy 2013 !
Dott. Piergiorgio

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#1756

Hg wrote:
> On 25/12/2012 20:41, Duncan Snowden wrote:
>> On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 12:44:04 -0800 (PST)
>> korax1214@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I've received an email from Forte, claiming that "Usenet activity is
>>> growing dramatically".
>>>
>>> What planet are they on?  Is this a Usenet which the rest of us
>>> haven't heard of, or perhaps one which is stuck in around 1999?  The
>>> Usenet I know is in decline, and has been for years...
>>
>> Binary groups, I expect. With The Authorities training their sights
>> on P2P and filesharing websites, I've certainly heard that Usenet has
>> seen a resurgence of interest among the scofflaw community. "Growing
>> dramatically", I wouldn't know, but it's not as daft as it sounds.
>>
>> Oh, I almost forgot... Merry Ecksmas, everyone!
>>
>
> I've never understood how every other illegal method of file
> dissemination has has had the screws tightened to breaking point,
> all the while binary news servers have been left untouched.

That might change. But probably, because most ordinary people can't 
understand Usenet binaries, and probably the average corporate bod or 
politician can't understand it either, hence that madman in New York who 
decided Usenet is something to do with kiddie pr0n.

I think if they wanted to, my dad or my sister could probably get their head 
around torrents. But trying to explain nzbs, rars, pars, and all that to 
them would be a lost cause. Even if they could be arsed with the hassle of 
going through a binary usenet indexing site trying to find the one file that 
actually is The Lord Of The Hobbits rather than one of the 200 reposted 
password-protected rars-within-rars. Currently, it might be the sheer 
difficulty of it that is keeping it a low priority.

Generally though, we should expect a politician with a low IQ, and a desire 
to be seen to be "crusading" in some way or other, to pick up on it 
eventually, and then the FBI will declare a raid against a grand conspiracy 
and arrest lots of people at random, like they normally do. But it would be 
an American thing. The British authorities wouldn't have time anyway, since 
they're all thoroughly occupied arresting the entirety of 1970s light 
entertainment for looking at somebody in a funny way in 1973. You know that 
thing in The Dark Knight Rises, where the whole of Gotham PD go running into 
the sewers, and get trapped down there? I was thinking we could probably get 
a similar effect by telling Plod that Jimmy Cricket's down there with a copy 
of Health And Efficiency.


Ian 

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#1719

On Mon, 24 Dec 2012, korax1214@gmail.com wrote:

> I've received an email from Forte, claiming that "Usenet activity is growing dramatically".

It is. In the binary piracy groups.


deKay
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