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| Started by | Jan Panteltje <pNaOnStPeAlMtje@yahoo.com> |
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| First post | 2021-01-07 10:33 +0000 |
| Last post | 2021-01-10 13:27 -0500 |
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Will raspberry get ECC support? Jan Panteltje <pNaOnStPeAlMtje@yahoo.com> - 2021-01-07 10:33 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2021-01-07 14:49 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2021-01-07 16:37 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? Martin Gregorie <martin@mydomain.invalid> - 2021-01-07 18:12 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2021-01-07 19:12 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2021-01-08 22:16 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> - 2021-01-08 18:04 +0200
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? dave@661.org (David Griffith) - 2021-01-08 22:50 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? Jan Panteltje <pNaOnStPeAlMtje@yahoo.com> - 2021-01-09 08:23 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-01-09 08:57 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-01-09 09:24 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? Jan Panteltje <pNaOnStPeAlMtje@yahoo.com> - 2021-01-09 10:41 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-01-09 11:58 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? Jan Panteltje <pNaOnStPeAlMtje@yahoo.com> - 2021-01-09 13:51 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? A. Dumas <alexandre@dumas.fr.invalid> - 2021-01-09 14:19 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-01-09 14:55 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? Pancho <Pancho.Dontmaileme@outlook.com> - 2021-01-10 11:53 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? Martin Gregorie <martin@mydomain.invalid> - 2021-01-10 13:00 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? TimS <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2021-01-09 14:29 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2021-01-09 18:02 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? Jan Panteltje <pNaOnStPeAlMtje@yahoo.com> - 2021-01-10 08:46 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2021-01-10 16:54 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? Jim H <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2021-01-10 18:12 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2021-01-10 21:07 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-01-11 04:44 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? TimS <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2021-01-11 11:39 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-01-11 12:30 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? Jim H <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2021-01-12 20:36 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-01-11 04:43 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-01-11 18:23 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? Deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2021-01-11 20:50 +0100
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-01-11 20:56 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? Martin Gregorie <martin@mydomain.invalid> - 2021-01-11 21:17 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-01-11 22:04 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-01-12 04:50 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? TimS <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2021-01-12 19:00 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-01-12 19:52 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-01-13 12:51 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? TimS <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2021-01-13 13:29 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-01-13 14:17 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-01-13 13:42 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? Martin Gregorie <martin@mydomain.invalid> - 2021-01-13 15:25 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-01-12 19:57 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? TimS <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2021-01-12 20:57 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-01-13 12:54 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? TimS <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2021-01-13 13:34 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? Nikolaj Lazic <nlazicBEZ_OVOGA@mudrac.ffzg.hr> - 2021-01-13 14:30 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? Jim H <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2021-01-12 20:45 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-01-12 21:05 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? TimS <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2021-01-12 21:38 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-01-13 13:35 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? Jim H <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2021-01-13 19:07 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-01-13 20:08 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-01-13 13:02 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? Jim H <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2021-01-13 18:33 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-01-13 19:25 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-01-13 19:46 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? TimS <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2021-01-13 20:56 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-01-13 21:13 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-01-14 06:31 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-01-14 05:48 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-01-14 10:26 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-01-14 11:27 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? Martin Gregorie <martin@mydomain.invalid> - 2021-01-14 13:53 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-01-14 14:32 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-01-13 13:01 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-01-11 04:19 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? Pancho <Pancho.Dontmaileme@outlook.com> - 2021-01-10 12:01 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> - 2021-01-10 15:46 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? Pancho <Pancho.Dontmaileme@outlook.com> - 2021-01-10 16:21 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> - 2021-01-10 22:08 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? Jan Panteltje <pNaOnStPeAlMtje@yahoo.com> - 2021-01-11 05:55 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> - 2021-01-11 14:58 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-01-11 15:33 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? Pancho <Pancho.Dontmaileme@outlook.com> - 2021-01-11 23:32 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? Martin Gregorie <martin@mydomain.invalid> - 2021-01-11 23:48 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? Pancho <Pancho.Dontmaileme@outlook.com> - 2021-01-12 00:02 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? Martin Gregorie <martin@mydomain.invalid> - 2021-01-12 01:48 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? TimS <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2021-01-12 18:55 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? Jan Panteltje <pNaOnStPeAlMtje@yahoo.com> - 2021-01-12 07:41 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? Axel Berger <Spam@Berger-Odenthal.De> - 2021-01-12 09:42 +0100
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? nospam.Richard.Falken@f1.n770.z6694.fidonet.org (Richard Falken) - 2021-01-12 05:14 +1300
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? Jan Panteltje <pNaOnStPeAlMtje@yahoo.com> - 2021-01-12 07:41 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? Pancho <Pancho.Dontmaileme@outlook.com> - 2021-01-12 09:15 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-01-12 10:26 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2021-01-12 10:46 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? Martin Gregorie <martin@mydomain.invalid> - 2021-01-12 11:21 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-01-12 11:25 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? Martin Gregorie <martin@mydomain.invalid> - 2021-01-12 11:56 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-01-12 12:02 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? TimS <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2021-01-12 19:01 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-01-12 19:52 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? Axel Berger <Spam@Berger-Odenthal.De> - 2021-01-12 22:46 +0100
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-01-13 12:55 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-01-13 13:28 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-01-13 14:24 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-01-13 18:38 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-01-13 19:49 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? Axel Berger <Spam@Berger-Odenthal.De> - 2021-01-14 08:37 +0100
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2021-01-13 21:20 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? Martin Gregorie <martin@mydomain.invalid> - 2021-01-13 21:53 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-01-14 03:03 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-01-14 06:14 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> - 2021-01-10 22:16 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? nospam.Richard.Falken@f1.n770.z6644.fidonet.org (Richard Falken) - 2021-01-10 17:09 +1300
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-01-11 04:17 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2021-01-11 17:34 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2021-01-11 09:48 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2021-01-11 11:14 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? Jim H <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2021-01-12 21:00 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2021-01-12 22:09 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? Jim H <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2021-01-13 19:14 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? TimS <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2021-01-11 11:50 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? Jim H <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2021-01-12 21:08 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-01-13 13:38 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? Jim H <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2021-01-13 19:23 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-01-13 20:16 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? Kees Nuyt <k.nuyt@nospam.demon.nl> - 2021-01-14 09:44 +0100
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? TimS <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2021-01-13 21:06 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-01-11 12:29 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-01-11 12:46 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-01-11 13:54 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? Jim H <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2021-01-12 21:27 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-01-13 13:52 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? Jim H <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2021-01-13 19:36 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-01-13 21:16 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-01-14 06:22 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? Jim H <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2021-01-12 21:26 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-01-13 13:51 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? Jim H <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2021-01-12 20:57 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-01-09 14:40 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? Jan Panteltje <pNaOnStPeAlMtje@yahoo.com> - 2021-01-10 08:43 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? Martin Gregorie <martin@mydomain.invalid> - 2021-01-09 14:59 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? Jan Panteltje <pNaOnStPeAlMtje@yahoo.com> - 2021-01-09 10:11 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2021-01-09 09:56 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? Jan Panteltje <pNaOnStPeAlMtje@yahoo.com> - 2021-01-09 10:41 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2021-01-09 16:59 -0500
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? Martin Gregorie <martin@mydomain.invalid> - 2021-01-09 23:24 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? Jan Panteltje <pNaOnStPeAlMtje@yahoo.com> - 2021-01-10 08:29 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-01-10 09:48 +0000
Re: Will raspberry get ECC support? Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2021-01-10 13:27 -0500
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| From | Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> |
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| Date | 2021-01-11 12:46 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <20210111124618.abed17c2a0e8a23e4f0daa8a@eircom.net> |
| In reply to | #25745 |
On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 12:29:52 +0000 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: > Life is risky. > > In the end cost benefit analysis is all we can use. > > Perhaps pregnant women should avoid it, but people are dying *already*. Pregnant women and the under 15s are both groups advised to await further testing because those groups were not represented in the tests to date. > Life is risky But we do our best to mitigate the bad ones. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith | Directable Mirror Arrays C:\>WIN | A better way to focus the sun The computer obeys and wins. | licences available see You lose and Bill collects. | http://www.sohara.org/
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2021-01-11 13:54 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <rthlad$uq0$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #25747 |
On 11/01/2021 12:46, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote: > On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 12:29:52 +0000 > The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: > >> Life is risky. >> >> In the end cost benefit analysis is all we can use. >> >> Perhaps pregnant women should avoid it, but people are dying *already*. > > Pregnant women and the under 15s are both groups advised to await > further testing because those groups were not represented in the tests to > date. > >> Life is risky > > But we do our best to mitigate the bad ones. > sometimes you have to play the percentages, despite what socialist politicians tell you about the completely safe-space kindergarten they will build for you if you give them all your money and let them have complete authority.... ...bless! -- "If you don’t read the news paper, you are un-informed. If you read the news paper, you are mis-informed." Mark Twain
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| From | Jim H <invalid@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2021-01-12 21:27 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <315svf5s4p3nhh7ft7gsufaj7nos2uvr2h@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #25748 |
On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 13:54:21 +0000, in <rthlad$uq0$3@dont-email.me>, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >sometimes you have to play the percentages, despite what socialist >politicians tell you about the completely safe-space kindergarten they >will build for you if you give them all your money and let them have >complete authority.... > >...bless! But... but.. but... it's "for the children!!!" -- Jim H
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2021-01-13 13:52 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <rtmtug$se9$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #25809 |
On 12/01/2021 21:27, Jim H wrote: > On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 13:54:21 +0000, in <rthlad$uq0$3@dont-email.me>, > The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: > >> sometimes you have to play the percentages, despite what socialist >> politicians tell you about the completely safe-space kindergarten they >> will build for you if you give them all your money and let them have >> complete authority.... >> >> ...bless! > > > But... but.. but... it's "for the children!!!" > Believe that, and you will believe anything. :-) -- “Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.” H.L. Mencken, A Mencken Chrestomathy
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| From | Jim H <invalid@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2021-01-13 19:36 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <fpiuvf5rih8p2luqt56uvrj58i95n6rrp9@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #25836 |
On Wed, 13 Jan 2021 13:52:16 +0000, in <rtmtug$se9$2@dont-email.me>, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >On 12/01/2021 21:27, Jim H wrote: >> On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 13:54:21 +0000, in <rthlad$uq0$3@dont-email.me>, >> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >> >>> sometimes you have to play the percentages, despite what socialist >>> politicians tell you about the completely safe-space kindergarten they >>> will build for you if you give them all your money and let them have >>> complete authority.... >>> >>> ...bless! >> >> But... but.. but... it's "for the children!!!" >> >Believe that, and you will believe anything. :-) At the time that phrase was popular, and used seriously, I (figuratively of course) grabbed my wallet and backed up against a sturdy wall whenever I heard it. Yep, they not only wanted your money, but also wanted to "bend you over" too. Later it was for the polar bears. Not sure what's the latest. -- Jim H
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| From | Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> |
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| Date | 2021-01-13 21:16 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <20210113211644.7058596ffbef9c772970c2df@eircom.net> |
| In reply to | #25857 |
On Wed, 13 Jan 2021 19:36:58 +0000 Jim H <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote: > On Wed, 13 Jan 2021 13:52:16 +0000, in <rtmtug$se9$2@dont-email.me>, > The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: > > >On 12/01/2021 21:27, Jim H wrote: > >> But... but.. but... it's "for the children!!!" > >> > >Believe that, and you will believe anything. :-) > > At the time that phrase was popular, and used seriously, I > (figuratively of course) grabbed my wallet and backed up against a > sturdy wall whenever I heard it. Yep, they not only wanted your money, > but also wanted to "bend you over" too. > > Later it was for the polar bears. > > Not sure what's the latest. The rain forests. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith | Directable Mirror Arrays C:\>WIN | A better way to focus the sun The computer obeys and wins. | licences available see You lose and Bill collects. | http://www.sohara.org/
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2021-01-14 06:22 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <rtonvh$3ne$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #25866 |
On 13/01/2021 21:16, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Jan 2021 19:36:58 +0000
> Jim H <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 13 Jan 2021 13:52:16 +0000, in <rtmtug$se9$2@dont-email.me>,
>> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On 12/01/2021 21:27, Jim H wrote:
>
>>>> But... but.. but... it's "for the children!!!"
>>>>
>>> Believe that, and you will believe anything. :-)
>>
>> At the time that phrase was popular, and used seriously, I
>> (figuratively of course) grabbed my wallet and backed up against a
>> sturdy wall whenever I heard it. Yep, they not only wanted your money,
>> but also wanted to "bend you over" too.
>>
>> Later it was for the polar bears.
>>
>> Not sure what's the latest.
>
> The rain forests.
>
yeah. Embarrassingly polar bears are in greater numbers now than ever
recorded before.
In the UK there are more mature trees than there ever have been since
the end of 'ships of oak', so much so that a lot of diseases that had
been in abeyance are ripping through them, Same with people :-)
But I do have two 20 year old elm trees doing well, after all mature
ones and even young ones were wiped out back in the 70s
But cutting down rain forests to make space to plant crops for
'renewable energy' is profitable isn't it?
Here they cut them down to plant windmills. So they can slice birds in
half and explode bat lungs.
Never mind. I am sure they *mean well*. And that's what counts isn't it?
--
"First, find out who are the people you can not criticise. They are your
oppressors."
- George Orwell
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| From | Jim H <invalid@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2021-01-12 21:26 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <fv3svftavrbg3gmdh6l58qiqa9vivrb3tn@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #25745 |
On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 12:29:52 +0000, in <rthgc1$jqo$1@dont-email.me>, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >Life is risky. > >In the end cost benefit analysis is all we can use. > >Perhaps pregnant women should avoid it, but people are dying *already*. > >It was very unfortunate with thalidomide that the effects showed up in >foetal poisoning only. The medical profession simply hadn't seen that >one coming. Yes they did! The problem is that the medical professionals involved in the testing didn't have to report all the side effects at the time... and they didn't. Even before any tests in humans the teratogenic effects of Thalidomide were seen in animal testing. But only in some species and not others. Would you want your wife or daughter of child bearing age, with a likelyhood of becoming pregnant, to use a drug that caused serious fetal deformity in say rats, but not hamsters? Does it make a difference in your answer that the problem was with taking the drug during the first 3-4 weeks of pregnancy when few know for sure that they're pregnant and so won't know to stop taking it in time to prevent defects? Life is risky, but it doesn't need to be that much of a risk for yet another drug that did the same thing as many other drugs available at the time. Not to mention that use to prevent morning sickness was an "off label" use. -- Jim H
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2021-01-13 13:51 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <rtmtsm$se9$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #25808 |
On 12/01/2021 21:26, Jim H wrote: > On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 12:29:52 +0000, in <rthgc1$jqo$1@dont-email.me>, > The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: > >> Life is risky. >> >> In the end cost benefit analysis is all we can use. >> >> Perhaps pregnant women should avoid it, but people are dying *already*. >> >> It was very unfortunate with thalidomide that the effects showed up in >> foetal poisoning only. The medical profession simply hadn't seen that >> one coming. > > Yes they did! The problem is that the medical professionals involved > in the testing didn't have to report all the side effects at the > time... and they didn't. Even before any tests in humans the > teratogenic effects of Thalidomide were seen in animal testing. But > only in some species and not others. > Well I didn't know that and wont argue that point. I do know that Big Pharma likes to sell expensive drugs and is somewhat economical with the truth in so doing. Just as Boeing likes to sell aeroplanes. Are we seeing a 'pickle fork ' crash....(google it) in Indonesia? The point is that regulators are always one step behind, and that's how quality management goes., You don't fix problems that haven't occurred. > Would you want your wife or daughter of child bearing age, with a > likelyhood of becoming pregnant, to use a drug that caused serious > fetal deformity in say rats, but not hamsters? Does it make a > difference in your answer that the problem was with taking the drug > during the first 3-4 weeks of pregnancy when few know for sure that > they're pregnant and so won't know to stop taking it in time to > prevent defects? > Dont have either. Pass. > Life is risky, but it doesn't need to be that much of a risk for yet > another drug that did the same thing as many other drugs available at > the time. Not to mention that use to prevent morning sickness was an > "off label" use. > Well that is of course a value judgement. In terms of COVID 19, we have a proven lethal virus, and an unproven but definitely far less immediately lethal vaccine. We have national and global economic crises caused by the reaction to that virus. Even if the vaccine proves ineffective, there is, as I have said enough to bore you, the problem of public *perception*. Politically people vote their *understanding*, not any objective 'reality' - simply because they have no idea. And at this point in time there is a round, as Stephen Fry is wont to say of 'General Ignorance' I dont know what et right answer is, I do know that if I were in a position of authority I would probably be doing exactly what TPTB are doing, locking down when the death rate goes up, and hoping that they have a reasonably effective vaccine, banging it in as many arms as possible and pushing the boundaries of a free society to do do, in the hope - and it will be only a hope - that this gets the world back to work, and not economic meltdown and or a global pandemic that clears 2/3rds or more of its population. And maintaining a false face of total optimism, because pessimism will just make it worse. -- Future generations will wonder in bemused amazement that the early twenty-first century’s developed world went into hysterical panic over a globally average temperature increase of a few tenths of a degree, and, on the basis of gross exaggerations of highly uncertain computer projections combined into implausible chains of inference, proceeded to contemplate a rollback of the industrial age. Richard Lindzen
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| From | Jim H <invalid@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2021-01-12 20:57 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <8q2svflpnncc2d9cn5efjsglrh8hvs4fq4@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #25738 |
On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 09:48:33 +0000, in <20210111094833.1c19c1b2@jresid.jretrading.com>, Joe <joe@jretrading.com> wrote: >On Sun, 10 Jan 2021 22:16:28 GMT >David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote: > >> In message <rtf9j2$bb5$1@dont-email.me> >> Pancho <Pancho.Dontmaileme@outlook.com> wrote: >> >> > I'm old and it seems perfectly defensible to me. Expecting >> > perfectly healthy people, at low risk, to take a poorly tested >> > treatment just in order to protect others seems a tad selfish to >> > me. >> >> I want you to cite evidence that the vaccines are poorly tested. > >It's hanging on your wall, or if not then on your computer screen. > >It's called a calendar. > >Medications can reasonably be declared tested and safe after five to ten >years. Whatever you choose to assert, the Covid medications (mostly not >vaccines) have quite obviously not yet been shown to be safe over that >kind of period. > >The *kind* of medication that some of the 'vaccines' are has not been >shown to be safe over a reasonable period. It's pioneering stuff. > >Thalidomide was 'safe' and 'properly tested'. So Canada and some European countries thought, but it was NOT approved by the FDA. The battle to reject Thalidomide along with the later birth of children with severe birth defects lead to vastly tighter FDA standards for approval of all drugs. -- Jim H
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2021-01-09 14:40 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <rtcf8b$en2$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #25657 |
On 09/01/2021 13:51, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> On a sunny day (Sat, 9 Jan 2021 11:58:52 +0000) it happened The Natural
> Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote in <rtc5pt$bug$1@dont-email.me>:
>
>> On 09/01/2021 10:41, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>>> On a sunny day (Sat, 9 Jan 2021 09:24:59 +0000) it happened The Natural
>>> Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote in <rtbspc$ggu$1@dont-email.me>:
>>>
>>> And I have this one in pieces somewhere:
>>> http://panteltje.com/panteltje/pic/sc_pic/
>>> much better PMT, using scintillator crystals from ebay....
>>> note the radium and uranium samples
>>> been 'under construction' for >14 years now....
>>> nuclear war did not happen yet... ;-)
>>>
>> From what I have read on latest research radiation is not a significant
>> hazard beyond about 50% more than the blast radius anyway.
>> If you dont get vapourised or smashed to bits, you probably wont die of
>> cancer.
>
> Indeed, I worked in nuculear {} twice... the first time I quit the first day as I found the guys were careless.
> Then serendipity had it I worked there again, in an other department, years later.
> Some years after I left and started my own business I did read in the paper that whole place got contaminated..
>
> It all depends.
> Later ... we had the Chernobyl fallout, and where I worked the filters in the aircos were hot (radiation) and had to be properly disposed.
> That made me want to measure things, by that time I lost my nuculear fear btw,
> But nobody died, vegetables in your garden you were not recommended to eat.
> I did see a youtube video about the Chernobyl area where wildlife is flourishing,
> mostly due to the absence of people hunting it I think.
> That video was removed...
The really important news about Chernobyl was that the predictions
using LNT were in excess of 150,000 cancers across Ukraine and Eastern
Europe. In fact only 60 people died and there were only 3000 preventable
(if they had been given iodine pills) and curable thyroid cancers right
there in Pripyat. .
More people are dying *every day* from Covid 19.
>
> In the F*ckupshima disaster exactly 1 person died of radiation IIRC.
No one died from radiation at all, nor will. The company decided not to
defend being sued by someone who got cancer's relatives, that's all.
IIRC only one person died on site from a heart attack
About 20 people died as a result if the pointless evacuation.
The Italian embassy was recalled from Tokyo to Rome, where background
radiation was *ten times higher*.
> Hundreds die each year in coal mine accidents..
>
> Ruling the masses by fear is what governments do now, I did lookup some numbers
> and here in 2018 more people died than in 2020..
> Big farma sells and it sells untested mRNA shit that several very healthy people have already died from and is not tested over generations,
> so will the kids you have be OK? Remember softenon.
> It is about big money control and politicians that are puppets of big money and completely clueless about medicine
> but abuse the lockdown to control everything from chat groups to people moving about.
> UNLESS there is a revolt they will keep locking everybody down then give you a chip implant
> so they can remotely kill you if you do not comply with their follies, now they use the police for that.
> OK,
>
Not sure about the chip implant, and I think they are actually very
scared about this virus.
I never trust what a government says,I watch what they do. They haven't
stopped flying to climate conferences or sold their beachside houses or
gone in for a crash program of nuclear power - they know that renewable
energy is profitable crap and doesn't work to reduce emissions, and they
are not worried. So climate change isn't an emergency, its a political
power and profit opportunity. Same for electric cars, but they are
wearing masks and isolating themselves, so I think this one is real.
>
>> The LNT model which was used to scare people in the 1960s has been
>> completely discredited.
>>
>>
>>> And and, well...
>>> this one is smaller and also gives very high levels here:
>>> http://panteltje.com/panteltje/pic/gm_pic2/
>>> it records GPS location and radiation level to SDcard, can be used for prospecting...
>>> my adventure in using / programming OLED displays..
>>>
>>>
>> what are you using as a detector?
>
> That one uses a small geiger muller tube, basically contains gas between 2 high voltage electrodes that gets ionized if high energy particles hit it
> and then becomes conductive for a moment causing a small current peak.
> Several such high energy particles per minute is normal at ground level, on airplane level with less protection by the atmosphere
> much more, in space even more than that
> scroll down for the picture of the tube next to the GPS module, or:
> http://panteltje.com/panteltje/pic/gm_pic2/gm_pic2_component_side_IMG_4408.JPG
>
> For gamma spectrometer I use crystals from ebay in front of the photo-multiplier tubes like these:
> NaI(Tl) 30x30 Scintillation Crystal Detector
> or plastic Scintillation rods
> http://panteltje.com/pub/crystal_relatve_to_world_img_3123.jpg
> both give of a light flash when a high energy particle hits, this is then amplified very many times by the PMT (photo mutiplier) so you
> get an other impulse that you can count, and in the case of that setup can measure the amplitude of,
> this amplitude is related to the amount of energy for each particle, and that depends on what material is 'decaying' releasing the particle
> so you can identify what radiates, and see who's bomb it was.... from the spectral composition.
> Enough info?
>
More would be nice, but this is not the time and place,
I have always thought that if everybody had a Geiger counter on their
smart phone, they would be a lot less scared of radiation.
>
>
>
--
"And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch".
Gospel of St. Mathew 15:14
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| From | Jan Panteltje <pNaOnStPeAlMtje@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2021-01-10 08:43 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <rteer3$goa$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #25661 |
On a sunny day (Sat, 9 Jan 2021 14:40:10 +0000) it happened The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote in <rtcf8b$en2$1@dont-email.me>: >Not sure about the chip implant, and I think they are actually very >scared about this virus. There is already a company trying to market such a chip so you need no purse or card just walk past the gate of the supermarket.... On chip polymerase test in your blood could easily detect you being 'infected' and refused access or triggering the crocodile trapdoors in each street hey I am not working for 'ollywood, but you guys are free to use this idea in the next sci fi movie. >I never trust what a government says,I watch what they do. They haven't >stopped flying to climate conferences or sold their beachside houses or >gone in for a crash program of nuclear power - they know that renewable >energy is profitable crap and doesn't work to reduce emissions, and they >are not worried. So climate change isn't an emergency, its a political >power and profit opportunity. Same for electric cars, but they are >wearing masks and isolating themselves, so I think this one is real. Climate change is well known and why, does not depend on CO2 or human activity _at_all_: http://old.world-mysteries.com/alignments/mpl_al3b.htm scroll down to Milankovich Cycles All those orbital effects add up, and anybody who can add some sine waves can see when and how the earth climate will change, scroll down all the way for the cool and warm periods. The whole snake oil started IIRC with Al Gore and polar bears. The above website was their main site it was replaced and they renamed this one old.world.... As the planet orbits are related, so is climate change on Mars, where [apart for Al Gore?] no humans have a cottage: https://twitter.com/HiRISE/status/1223260442971164672 shows current ice melting and things collapsing due to warming on mars (2 pictures in sequence, works in Chrome on raspi4). >>> The LNT model which was used to scare people in the 1960s has been >>> completely discredited. There also was once the 'Club of Rome', LOL >I have always thought that if everybody had a Geiger counter on their >smart phone, they would be a lot less scared of radiation. That thing I build is still big, but it does fit in a pocket, I have carried it around in my pocket while it was logging location and radiation levels in the super market to see if the mushrooms and other food imported from the eastern part of Europe were radioactive, those were not. Japan is going to release the stored radioactive water from that accident in the sea: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-54566978 the fish you eat,,, Investment in a simple detector is worth it I think. https://blogthinkbig.com/using-a-smartphone-to-measure-levels-of-radiation-exposure in camera sensor chips exposed to strong gamma radiation you get occasional short time pixel errors, I think subtracting frame to frame would show this, better done in the dark perhaps... Wrote some motion detection software for a CMOS webcam >20 year ago.. used frame subtraction. https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/174564-youll-be-amazed-at-how-these-government-researchers-turned-your-smartphones-camera-into-a-radiation-dose-meter
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| From | Martin Gregorie <martin@mydomain.invalid> |
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| Date | 2021-01-09 14:59 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <rtcgc9$563$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #25657 |
On Sat, 09 Jan 2021 13:51:10 +0000, Jan Panteltje wrote: > I did see a youtube video about the Chernobyl area where wildlife is > flourishing, mostly due to the absence of people hunting it I think. > That video was removed... > You might like this site: http://www.kiddofspeed.com/ Its owned by a Ukrainian girl with a nuclear physicist father and a big motorbike, who likes riding it in the Chernobyl exclusion zone. She takes interesting photos. > In the F*ckupshima disaster exactly 1 person died of radiation IIRC. > Hundreds die each year in coal mine accidents.. > So far Chernobyl was the worst, followed by Kystym and Windscale. Apart from them, there have been another 7 where casualties where oll in single digits and external contamination was minimal. The full list is here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Nuclear_and_radiation_accidents_and_incidents#Accident_categories -- -- Martin | martin at Gregorie | gregorie dot org
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| From | Jan Panteltje <pNaOnStPeAlMtje@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2021-01-09 10:11 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <rtbvjk$8es$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #25639 |
On a sunny day (Sat, 9 Jan 2021 08:57:26 +0000) it happened Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote in <20210109085726.1c9cf29442393b9fef178f66@eircom.net>: >On Sat, 09 Jan 2021 08:23:38 GMT >Jan Panteltje <pNaOnStPeAlMtje@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> As to radiation, I moved house a month or so ago, been logging radiation >> for years >> http://panteltje.com/pub/background_radiation_from_one_place_to_the_other.gif >> note the sudden increase, those are counts per minute from >> http://panteltje.com/panteltje/pic/gm_pic/ >> >> Why? > > Is there a radon barrier under your house ? Yes I have thought about radon, no real basement here, build quite a while ago, could be. There is some granite countertop in the kitchen on the other side of the wall of where the radiation counter is, will go and have a count there later. https://www.epa.gov/radiation/granite-countertops-and-radiation Or maybe buy a real radon meter, quite expensive, 100$ or so on Alieepress, about twice as much locally.
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| From | Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> |
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| Date | 2021-01-09 09:56 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <i5tcukFl1khU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #25638 |
Jan Panteltje wrote: > I moved house a month or so ago, been logging radiation for years > http://panteltje.com/pub/background_radiation_from_one_place_to_the_other.gif > note the sudden increase, > those are counts per minute from > http://panteltje.com/panteltje/pic/gm_pic/ > > Why? Did your new neighbours give you some bananas as a moving-in gift?
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| From | Jan Panteltje <pNaOnStPeAlMtje@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2021-01-09 10:41 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <rtc1bj$1319$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #25644 |
On a sunny day (Sat, 9 Jan 2021 09:56:36 +0000) it happened Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote in <i5tcukFl1khU1@mid.individual.net>: >Jan Panteltje wrote: > >> I moved house a month or so ago, been logging radiation for years >> http://panteltje.com/pub/background_radiation_from_one_place_to_the_other.gif >> note the sudden increase, >> those are counts per minute from >> http://panteltje.com/panteltje/pic/gm_pic/ >> >> Why? > >Did your new neighbours give you some bananas as a moving-in gift? Na,I got some Banquet Bar :-) Nice
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| From | Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2021-01-09 16:59 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <tl9kvf53avo2c6n1u76s62u8oi97njo561@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #25638 |
On Sat, 09 Jan 2021 08:23:38 GMT, Jan Panteltje <pNaOnStPeAlMtje@yahoo.com> declaimed the following: >I was more thinking along the lines where people board SpaceX flights to Mars >and bring the lightest possible personal computers with them: raspberries >High radiation levels... >Or astronauts in earth orbit, or high altitude flights... >Moonbase > Any device typically allowed on a space mission has to undergo rigorous testing for all sorts of environmental situations... Both from the device (can't have it out-gassing corrosive vapors under reduced air pressure) and to the device (radiation hardening if it has any safety critical functions). -- Wulfraed Dennis Lee Bieber AF6VN wlfraed@ix.netcom.com http://wlfraed.microdiversity.freeddns.org/
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| From | Martin Gregorie <martin@mydomain.invalid> |
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| Date | 2021-01-09 23:24 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <rtddvs$563$8@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #25674 |
On Sat, 09 Jan 2021 16:59:59 -0500, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote: > On Sat, 09 Jan 2021 08:23:38 GMT, Jan Panteltje > <pNaOnStPeAlMtje@yahoo.com> > declaimed the following: > >>I was more thinking along the lines where people board SpaceX flights to >>Mars and bring the lightest possible personal computers with them: >>raspberries High radiation levels... >>Or astronauts in earth orbit, or high altitude flights... >>Moonbase >> > Any device typically allowed on a space mission has to undergo rigorous > testing for all sorts of environmental situations... Both from the > device (can't have it out-gassing corrosive vapors under reduced air > pressure) and to the device (radiation hardening if it has any safety > critical functions). I did read recently that they've been using Plain Old laptops on ISS with no radiation-related problems - but of course that is inside the Earth's magnetic field, so there's a fair amount of shielding from ionised particles. -- -- Martin | martin at Gregorie | gregorie dot org
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| From | Jan Panteltje <pNaOnStPeAlMtje@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2021-01-10 08:29 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <rtee1q$7f0$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #25674 |
On a sunny day (Sat, 09 Jan 2021 16:59:59 -0500) it happened Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> wrote in <tl9kvf53avo2c6n1u76s62u8oi97njo561@4ax.com>: >On Sat, 09 Jan 2021 08:23:38 GMT, Jan Panteltje <pNaOnStPeAlMtje@yahoo.com> >declaimed the following: > >>I was more thinking along the lines where people board SpaceX flights to Mars >>and bring the lightest possible personal computers with them: raspberries >>High radiation levels... >>Or astronauts in earth orbit, or high altitude flights... >>Moonbase >> > Any device typically allowed on a space mission has to undergo rigorous >testing for all sorts of environmental situations... Both from the device >(can't have it out-gassing corrosive vapors under reduced air pressure) and >to the device (radiation hardening if it has any safety critical >functions). Indeed, I know, but have you seen the SpaceX pictures of their big spacecraft traveling to mars with passengers in it using their laptops? I have commented on that in a youtube video long time ago. Laptops would not last very long... Neither would the Tesla car's electronics Musk sent to deep space... OK he is selling, needs some salt....
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| From | Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> |
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| Date | 2021-01-10 09:48 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <20210110094804.abb7f021ba54345f1ad3572b@eircom.net> |
| In reply to | #25681 |
On Sun, 10 Jan 2021 08:29:49 GMT Jan Panteltje <pNaOnStPeAlMtje@yahoo.com> wrote: > Indeed, I know, but have you seen the SpaceX pictures of their big > spacecraft traveling to mars with passengers in it using their laptops? Artist's impressions, completely meaningless. > Neither would the Tesla car's electronics Musk sent to deep space... It wasn't supposed to, it was just a prettier form of scrap steel than is usually used as a test load. Musk is a showman. > OK he is selling, needs some salt.... Much salt. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith | Directable Mirror Arrays C:\>WIN | A better way to focus the sun The computer obeys and wins. | licences available see You lose and Bill collects. | http://www.sohara.org/
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