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My darn NAS...

Started bynospam.paul.lee@f420.n105.z1.binkp.net (paul lee)
First post2021-01-10 17:46 +1300
Last post2021-01-11 15:39 +0000
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  My darn NAS... nospam.paul.lee@f420.n105.z1.binkp.net (paul lee) - 2021-01-10 17:46 +1300
    Re: My darn NAS... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-01-11 04:10 +0000
      Re: My darn NAS... nospam.paul.lee@f420.n105.z1.binkp.net (paul lee) - 2021-01-12 00:28 +1300
        Re: My darn NAS... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-01-12 10:26 +0000
        Re: My darn NAS... Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> - 2021-01-12 10:57 +0000
          Re: My darn NAS... Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2021-01-12 12:16 -0500
            Re: My darn NAS... Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> - 2021-01-12 18:04 +0000
              Re: My darn NAS... Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-01-12 18:38 +0000
              Re: My darn NAS... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-01-13 12:20 +0000
                Re: My darn NAS... Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> - 2021-01-13 12:42 +0000
                Re: My darn NAS... Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-01-13 12:39 +0000
                  Re: My darn NAS... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-01-13 14:23 +0000
                    Re: My darn NAS... Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-01-13 18:21 +0000
                      Re: My darn NAS... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-01-13 19:25 +0000
                        Re: My darn NAS... Daniel James <daniel@me.invalid> - 2021-01-14 12:58 +0000
                          Re: My darn NAS... TimS <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2021-01-14 13:10 +0000
                          Re: My darn NAS... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-01-14 13:35 +0000
                Re: My darn NAS... Scott Alfter <scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us> - 2021-01-13 17:33 +0000
                Re: My darn NAS... nospam.paul.lee@f420.n105.z1.binkp.net (paul lee) - 2021-01-13 16:22 +1300
          Re: My darn NAS... nospam.paul.lee@f420.n105.z1.binkp.net (paul lee) - 2021-01-12 13:20 +1300
            Re: My darn NAS... Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> - 2021-01-13 09:46 +0000
              Re: My darn NAS... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-01-13 12:21 +0000
              Re: My darn NAS... nospam.paul.lee@f420.n105.z1.binkp.net (paul lee) - 2021-01-13 16:20 +1300
                Re: My darn NAS... Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> - 2021-01-14 08:56 +0000
                  Re: My darn NAS... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-01-14 11:06 +0000
                    Re: My darn NAS... TimS <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2021-01-14 11:43 +0000
                      Re: My darn NAS... Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-01-14 12:22 +0000
                        Re: My darn NAS... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-01-14 12:43 +0000
                        Re: My darn NAS... Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> - 2021-01-14 13:29 +0000
                          Re: My darn NAS... druck <news@druck.org.uk> - 2021-01-14 17:42 +0000
                      Re: My darn NAS... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-01-14 12:36 +0000
                      Re: My darn NAS... Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> - 2021-01-14 13:22 +0000
                      Re: My darn NAS... nospam.Richard.Falken@f1.n770.z6840.fidonet.org (Richard Falken) - 2021-01-14 11:45 +1300
                        Re: My darn NAS... Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> - 2021-01-14 18:05 +0000
                        Re: My darn NAS... TimS <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2021-01-14 18:29 +0000
                          Re: My darn NAS... Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> - 2021-01-14 18:35 +0000
                            Re: My darn NAS... TimS <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2021-01-15 11:25 +0000
                    Re: My darn NAS... nospam.Richard.Falken@f1.n770.z6810.fidonet.org (Richard Falken) - 2021-01-14 06:36 +1300
                      Re: My darn NAS... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-01-14 12:53 +0000
                        Re: My darn NAS... Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> - 2021-01-14 13:19 +0000
                          Re: My darn NAS... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-01-14 14:29 +0000
                            Re: My darn NAS... Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> - 2021-01-14 14:52 +0000
                          Re: My darn NAS... druck <news@druck.org.uk> - 2021-01-14 17:31 +0000
                      Re: My darn NAS... Martin Gregorie <martin@mydomain.invalid> - 2021-01-14 13:24 +0000
                        Re: My darn NAS... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-01-14 13:39 +0000
                          Re: My darn NAS... Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> - 2021-01-14 14:07 +0000
                          Re: My darn NAS... Martin Gregorie <martin@mydomain.invalid> - 2021-01-14 15:22 +0000
                          Re: My darn NAS... Scott Alfter <scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us> - 2021-01-14 20:08 +0000
                            Re: My darn NAS... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-01-15 08:34 +0000
                    Re: My darn NAS... Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> - 2021-01-14 13:17 +0000
                    Re: My darn NAS... Pancho <Pancho.Dontmaileme@outlook.com> - 2021-01-16 12:30 +0000
                  Re: My darn NAS... nospam.paul.lee@f420.n105.z1.binkp.net (paul lee) - 2021-01-18 17:57 +1300
                    Re: My darn NAS... Martin Gregorie <martin@mydomain.invalid> - 2021-01-19 13:37 +0000
                      Re: My darn NAS... nospam.paul.lee@f420.n105.z1.binkp.net (paul lee) - 2021-01-21 18:06 +1300
    Re: My darn NAS... Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> - 2021-01-11 10:15 +0000
      Re: My darn NAS... Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> - 2021-01-11 15:16 +0000
        Re: My darn NAS... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-01-11 15:31 +0000
          Re: My darn NAS... Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> - 2021-01-11 18:05 +0000
      Re: My darn NAS... nospam.paul.lee@f420.n105.z1.binkp.net (paul lee) - 2021-01-12 00:31 +1300
        Re: My darn NAS... Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2021-01-12 12:19 -0500
          Re: My darn NAS... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-01-13 12:09 +0000
    Re: My darn NAS... druck <news@druck.org.uk> - 2021-01-11 10:25 +0000
      Re: My darn NAS... nospam.paul.lee@f420.n105.z1.binkp.net (paul lee) - 2021-01-12 00:35 +1300
        Re: My darn NAS... Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2021-01-12 12:25 -0500
          Re: My darn NAS... druck <news@druck.org.uk> - 2021-01-12 19:32 +0000
    Re: My darn NAS... "NY" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2021-01-11 15:39 +0000

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#25820

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2021-01-13 12:09 +0000
Message-ID<rtmnud$et9$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#25790
On 12/01/2021 17:19, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 00:31:38 +1300, nospam.paul.lee@f420.n105.z1.binkp.net
> (paul lee) declaimed the following:
> 
> 
>> Thanks for your reply... I was told by another poster that I, since the laptop
>> I use connects via wifi, should consider my 12mb speeds normal -
>>
> https://www.speedguide.net/faq/what-is-the-actual-real-life-speed-of-wireless-374
> 
> 
> 
> 
That does not gybe with what is reported on my gear. Top raw speed even 
rammed up against the router is 72Mbps.


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#25740

Fromdruck <news@druck.org.uk>
Date2021-01-11 10:25 +0000
Message-ID<rth929$lc0$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#25726
On 10/01/2021 04:46, paul lee wrote:
> I had setup an Open Media Vault on a Raspberry Pi 3, which I know doesn't have
> gigabit ethernet...
> 
> I use cheap USB Hard Drives, 2 x 4TB Seagates...
> 
> I run a PLEX server and, although I'm sure I don't have awesome 4k content
> [Probably not even all 1080p!], it seems to work just fine for streaming to ONE
> television at a time.
> 
> However, both on my Samba Shares and NFS Shares, I'm getting around 10mb/Sec
> transfer rates. Sometimes they'll bump up to +/-18mb but not often; I'm sure
> this is just the particular instance reporting wrong.... I'm around 10-12mb
> constantly.

Is that megabits or megaBytes per second?

> So... I thought my bottle-neck was the Pi, and not having gigabit - I threw a
> Pi 4 8gbRAM model at it today... I reinstalled fully, and setup from scratch.
> I've only pushed over one of my drives YET because... wouldn't ya know it, the
> transfer rate is the EXACT same as on the Pi 3!!

I'm using a 4B with a USB 3.1 HD. The HD does about 100MB/s (megaBytes) 
read/write locally, and using Cyrstal Diskmark over Samba its showing 
maximum transfer rate of 72MB/s read and 58MB/s write. When backing up 
from my other Pis over NFS I'm seeing rates of 40-50MB/s.

Check you are getting 1000Mb/s Full duplex using the command:-
ethtool eth0

Also try another Ethernet cable (at least Cat 5e), as it wasn't until I 
started using that Pi as a NAS did I find its upload speed was very 
poor. Up to then it was only used for web browsing and its download 
speed was fine. I think the cable had been kinked, replacing it restored 
the upload speed.

---druck

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#25773

Fromnospam.paul.lee@f420.n105.z1.binkp.net (paul lee)
Date2021-01-12 00:35 +1300
Message-ID<129950982@f420.n105.z1.binkp.net>
In reply to#25740
 dr> I'm using a 4B with a USB 3.1 HD. The HD does about 100MB/s (megaBytes)
 dr> read/write locally, and using Cyrstal Diskmark over Samba its showing
 dr> maximum transfer rate of 72MB/s read and 58MB/s write. When backing up
 dr> from my other Pis over NFS I'm seeing rates of 40-50MB/s.

Are *all* of your computers connected via ethernet? I am connecting FROM a 
laptop on wifi, and was told that its not as fast/reliable... so; THATS 
probably my bottleneck. :P

 dr> Check you are getting 1000Mb/s Full duplex using the command:-
 dr> ethtool eth0

On the Pi 3, which is connected via ethernet - I'm NOT.
On the Pi 4, which is connected via ethernet - I AM.

 dr> Also try another Ethernet cable (at least Cat 5e), as it wasn't until I
 dr> started using that Pi as a NAS did I find its upload speed was very
 dr> poor. Up to then it was only used for web browsing and its download
 dr> speed was fine. I think the cable had been kinked, replacing it restored
 dr> the upload speed.
 dr> 
 dr> ---druck

I think I was just misinformed, since I was trying to get the higher speeds TO 
a Thinkpad T430s laptop connected via WiFi. I am going to connect said laptop 
TO the ethernet and then retest on both the Pi 3 and Pi 4 NAS systems.... I 
think this just might be me... user error.

:P 

But, I wouldn't have known and would have been pulling out my hair had I not 
asked so... Hope this all makes sense to you, too; and I'm learning. I will 
post the results with the laptop CONNECTED TO ETHERNET shortly.



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#25791

FromDennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com>
Date2021-01-12 12:25 -0500
Message-ID<iimrvfpnlqt551vh79mlcq7rcrlhf5asha@4ax.com>
In reply to#25773
On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 00:35:31 +1300, nospam.paul.lee@f420.n105.z1.binkp.net
(paul lee) declaimed the following:

>
>On the Pi 3, which is connected via ethernet - I'm NOT.

	As I recall, the R-Pi 3 Ethernet is internally a USB dongle, so
throughput will be comparable to USB-2... <30MB/s

>On the Pi 4, which is connected via ethernet - I AM.

	Real Ethernet on R-Pi 4


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#25797

Fromdruck <news@druck.org.uk>
Date2021-01-12 19:32 +0000
Message-ID<rtktfh$7dc$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#25791
On 12/01/2021 17:25, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 00:35:31 +1300, nospam.paul.lee@f420.n105.z1.binkp.net
> (paul lee) declaimed the following:
> 
>>
>> On the Pi 3, which is connected via ethernet - I'm NOT.
> 
> 	As I recall, the R-Pi 3 Ethernet is internally a USB dongle, so
> throughput will be comparable to USB-2... <30MB/s

The 3B is 100BaseT, but the 3B+ has gigabit Ethernet over USB2 which in 
practice gives around 330Mb/s, so 30MB/s is about right.

>> On the Pi 4, which is connected via ethernet - I AM.
> 
> 	Real Ethernet on R-Pi 4

Testing with ipferf, I get about 996MB/s, which is close to the maximum.

---druck

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#25753

From"NY" <me@privacy.invalid>
Date2021-01-11 15:39 +0000
Message-ID<rthrhv$n0v$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#25726
"paul lee" <nospam.paul.lee@f420.n105.z1.binkp.net> wrote in message 
news:497943163@f420.n105.z1.binkp.net...
> I had setup an Open Media Vault on a Raspberry Pi 3, which I know doesn't 
> have
> gigabit ethernet...
>
> I use cheap USB Hard Drives, 2 x 4TB Seagates...
>
> I run a PLEX server and, although I'm sure I don't have awesome 4k content
> [Probably not even all 1080p!], it seems to work just fine for streaming 
> to ONE
> television at a time.

Do you find that the RPi3 acting as a Plex server is powerful enough to 
transcode recordings from the format in which you recorded them (MPEG TS or 
H264 TS) into whatever esoteric format Plex clients require?

I found that even a RPi4 gets very hot and runs at very high CPU % if it has 
to do any transcoding. Using the Plex client on a Roku box, it seems that it 
will play SD recordings (MPEG TS) natively but has to transcode HD 
recordings (H264 TS). I suppose this is an improvement over Windows, where 
it seems to transcode everything.

Why did Plex devise a client-server architecture where the client cannot 
play the files in their native form, but must instead get the server to 
transcode them? Is there a format that recordings could be converted to 
(offline) which allows them to be played without transcoding? What a faff 
having to do that for every file of my several TB of recordings...

At least on RPi4, VLC will run fast enough to play either SD or HD TS files, 
either from a local disk or over Ethernet/SMB. All I need to do is to get 
the sound to work - either via the analogue output or via the HDMI lead to 
my TV. I may end up binning PLex server and playing to the TV over VLC on 
the Pi - at least VLC can play whatever file format is available. 

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