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  rPi Zero non-WiFi Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-07-10 11:00 +0100
    Re: rPi Zero non-WiFi Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-07-10 11:12 +0100
      Re: rPi Zero non-WiFi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-10 11:55 +0100
        Re: rPi Zero non-WiFi Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-07-10 12:04 +0100
    Re: rPi Zero non-WiFi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-10 11:52 +0100
      Re: rPi Zero non-WiFi John R Walliker <jrwalliker@gmail.com> - 2026-07-10 14:26 +0100
      Re: rPi Zero non-WiFi "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-07-10 17:35 +0200
        Re: rPi Zero non-WiFi Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-07-10 16:45 +0100
          Re: rPi Zero non-WiFi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-10 17:42 +0100
      Re: rPi Zero non-WiFi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-10 18:22 +0000
    Re: rPi Zero non-WiFi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-10 18:21 +0000
      Re: rPi Zero non-WiFi Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-07-10 20:51 +0100
        Re: rPi Zero non-WiFi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-11 03:14 +0000
    Re: rPi Zero non-WiFi Daniel James <daniel@me.invalid> - 2026-07-11 12:40 +0100
      Re: rPi Zero non-WiFi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-11 14:18 +0100
        Re: rPi Zero non-WiFi Daniel James <daniel@me.invalid> - 2026-07-11 14:52 +0100
          Re: rPi Zero non-WiFi Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2026-07-11 18:22 +0100
            Re: rPi Zero non-WiFi druck <news@druck.org.uk> - 2026-07-12 11:03 +0100
              Re: rPi Zero non-WiFi Daniel James <daniel@me.invalid> - 2026-07-12 17:47 +0100
                Re: rPi Zero non-WiFi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-12 22:40 +0100
          Re: rPi Zero non-WiFi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-11 19:46 +0100

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#38193 — rPi Zero non-WiFi

Are the rPi Zero non-WiFi still produced?

Apart from the awkwardness of searching for "pi zero and not W and not 
2W", everywhere seems to be out of stock and the locator hasn't helped ...

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#38194

Andy Burns wrote:

> Are the rPi Zero non-WiFi still produced?
Searching by SKU (SC0019) found them, and Rapid Electronics have stock

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#38196

On 10/07/2026 11:12, Andy Burns wrote:
> Andy Burns wrote:
> 
>> Are the rPi Zero non-WiFi still produced?
> Searching by SKU (SC0019) found them, and Rapid Electronics have stock
> 
> 
Bugger me. They do exist!

-- 
You can get much farther with a kind word and a gun than you can with a 
kind word alone.

Al Capone

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#38197

The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> Andy Burns wrote:
>
>> Are the rPi Zero non-WiFi still produced?
>> Searching by SKU (SC0019) found them, and Rapid Electronics have stock
>
> Bugger me. They do exist!I began to doubt it myself, £7.58 (exc VAT and postage)

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#38195

On 10/07/2026 11:00, Andy Burns wrote:
> Are the rPi Zero non-WiFi still produced?
> 
> Apart from the awkwardness of searching for "pi zero and not W and not 
> 2W", everywhere seems to be out of stock and the locator hasn't helped ...
> 
> 
I can't recall ever seeing one at all, ever.

All Pi zeros seem to be sold out. I expect they are starting fires all 
over Russia... :-)

-- 
New Socialism consists essentially in being seen to have your heart in 
the right place whilst your head is in the clouds and your hand is in 
someone else's pocket.

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#38198

On 10/07/2026 11:52, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 10/07/2026 11:00, Andy Burns wrote:
>> Are the rPi Zero non-WiFi still produced?
>>
>> Apart from the awkwardness of searching for "pi zero and not W and not 
>> 2W", everywhere seems to be out of stock and the locator hasn't 
>> helped ...
>>
>>
> I can't recall ever seeing one at all, ever.
> 
> All Pi zeros seem to be sold out. I expect they are starting fires all 
> over Russia... :-)
> 
Unless they are using these:
https://www.raspberrypi.com/products/ai-hat-plus-2
John

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#38199

On Fri, 10 Jul 2026 11:52:58 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> I can't recall ever seeing one at all, ever.
> 
> All Pi zeros seem to be sold out. I expect they are starting fires all 
> over Russia... :-)

Must have not found out about this one:

<https://www.kiwi-electronics.com/nl/raspberry-pi-boards-behuizingen-uitbreidingen-en-accessoires-59/raspberry-pi-zero-versie-1-3-2840>

Available: 149 pcs

(No WiFi or BT.)

-- 
s|b

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#38200

s|b wrote:

> The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> 
>> All Pi zeros seem to be sold out. I expect they are starting fires all
>> over Russia... :-)
> 
> Must have not found out about this one:
> 
> <https://www.kiwi-electronics.com/nl/raspberry-pi-boards-behuizingen-uitbreidingen-en-accessoires-59/raspberry-pi-zero-versie-1-3-2840>
I was limiting myself to UK suppliers, one is now winging its way to me, 
I still maintain that without the SKU, its not very searchable, 
everything tends to return zeroW or zero2W.

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#38201

On 10/07/2026 16:45, Andy Burns wrote:
> s|b wrote:
> 
>> The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>
>>> All Pi zeros seem to be sold out. I expect they are starting fires all
>>> over Russia... :-)
>>
>> Must have not found out about this one:
>>
>> <https://www.kiwi-electronics.com/nl/raspberry-pi-boards-behuizingen-uitbreidingen-en-accessoires-59/raspberry-pi-zero-versie-1-3-2840>
> I was limiting myself to UK suppliers, one is now winging its way to me, 
> I still maintain that without the SKU, its not very searchable, 
> everything tends to return zeroW or zero2W.

Well yes, as I said I had no idea such a beast existed.

TBH the couple of extra quid for the wifi doesn't bother me much

-- 
"Women actually are capable of being far more than the feminists will 
let them."

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#38203

On Fri, 10 Jul 2026 11:52:58 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 10/07/2026 11:00, Andy Burns wrote:
>> Are the rPi Zero non-WiFi still produced?
>> 
>> Apart from the awkwardness of searching for "pi zero and not W and not
>> 2W", everywhere seems to be out of stock and the locator hasn't helped
>> ...
>> 
>> 
> I can't recall ever seeing one at all, ever.
> 
> All Pi zeros seem to be sold out. I expect they are starting fires all
> over Russia... :-)

Adafruit lists the Pi Zero v1.3 as in stock for USD10.

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#38202

On Fri, 10 Jul 2026 11:00:39 +0100, Andy Burns wrote:

> Are the rPi Zero non-WiFi still produced?
> 
> Apart from the awkwardness of searching for "pi zero and not W and not
> 2W", everywhere seems to be out of stock and the locator hasn't helped
> ...

https://www.adafruit.com/category/934?src=raspberrypi

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#38204

rbowman wrote:

> Andy Burns wrote:
> 
>> Are the rPi Zero non-WiFi still produced?

At least until 2030, apparently.
>> Apart from the awkwardness of searching for "pi zero and not W and not
>> 2W", everywhere seems to be out of stock and the locator hasn't helped
>> ...
> 
> https://www.adafruit.com/category/934?src=raspberrypi

Thanks, they sound like they have a real downer on USPS for 
international deliveries, VAT is payable whether I order from UK or 
overseas, so that's fine, duty is a more of a question mark, but as I've 
said I'm expecting delivery from Rapid Electronics

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#38206

On Fri, 10 Jul 2026 20:51:30 +0100, Andy Burns wrote:

> Thanks, they sound like they have a real downer on USPS for
> international deliveries, VAT is payable whether I order from UK or
> overseas, so that's fine, duty is a more of a question mark, but as I've
> said I'm expecting delivery from Rapid Electronics

Yeah. international is a crap shoot these days. I bought a refurbished 
Lenovo, not realizing the company was in Canada. It circled the drain at 
customs for almost a week with the tracking alternating between cleared 
and waiting for clearance. There was no duty on it.

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#38210

On 10/07/2026 11:00, Andy Burns wrote:
> Are the rPi Zero non-WiFi still produced?

*Obsolescence Statement*

Raspberry Pi Zero will remain in production until at least January 2030

(According to https://www.raspberrypi.com/products/raspberry-pi-zero/)


-- 
Cheers,
  Daniel.

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#38212

On 11/07/2026 12:40, Daniel James wrote:
> On 10/07/2026 11:00, Andy Burns wrote:
>> Are the rPi Zero non-WiFi still produced?
> 
> *Obsolescence Statement*
> 
> Raspberry Pi Zero will remain in production until at least January 2030
> 
but WHICH Pi Zero?

> (According to https://www.raspberrypi.com/products/raspberry-pi-zero/)
> 
> 
There are Pi ZERO, Pi ZERO W, Pi ZERO 2W,...with or without headers




-- 
"It is an established fact to 97% confidence limits that left wing 
conspirators see right wing conspiracies everywhere"

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#38213

On 11/07/2026 14:18, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> Raspberry Pi Zero will remain in production until at least January 2030
>>
> but WHICH Pi Zero?
> 
>> (According to https://www.raspberrypi.com/products/raspberry-pi-zero/)
>>
>>
> There are Pi ZERO, Pi ZERO W, Pi ZERO 2W,...with or without headers

The presence of absence of headers is beside the point.

The boards each have their own product pages and their own obsolescence 
statements (which all currently say January 2030).


-- 
Cheers,
  Daniel.

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#38214

Daniel James <daniel@me.invalid> wrote:
> On 11/07/2026 14:18, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> >> Raspberry Pi Zero will remain in production until at least January 2030
> >>
> > but WHICH Pi Zero?
> > 
> >> (According to https://www.raspberrypi.com/products/raspberry-pi-zero/)
> >>
> >>
> > There are Pi ZERO, Pi ZERO W, Pi ZERO 2W,...with or without headers
> 
> The presence of absence of headers is beside the point.
> 
> The boards each have their own product pages and their own obsolescence 
> statements (which all currently say January 2030).

I think a lot of OS folks want to get rid of ARMv6, so I would not be
surprised if OSes start dropping support soon after that date.  Aside from
the Pi 2 v1.1/1.2 (Cortex A7), everything after that supports 64 bit Linux.

Interesting, the Pi 2 obsolesence notice (the only one so far) says end of
life was 16 October 2025 but the last shipment date was 30 June 2026.  So
there's still about 9 months after EOL before production actually stops,
which means Raspberry Pi OS support will likely have to continue some time
after 2030.  But other OSes may well drop support sooner.

Theo

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#38224

On 11/07/2026 18:22, Theo wrote:
> I think a lot of OS folks want to get rid of ARMv6, so I would not be
> surprised if OSes start dropping support soon after that date.  Aside from
> the Pi 2 v1.1/1.2 (Cortex A7), everything after that supports 64 bit Linux.

Running 64 bit code on something with only 512MB is very painful, I 
tried and gave up on a Pi 3A+, where as you can just about get away with 
it on the 1GB Pi 3B+.

The problem with supporting ARMv6 boards, is that has to the lowest 
common denominator for the user mode code running on all 32 bit Pi's 
(the specific kernel for the architecture is always used). The prevents 
the use of ARMv7 optimisations which would give a small performance 
improvement.

But most importantly for the OS developers would be the same minimum 
architecture level as Debian, removing the need to separately test all 
the packages under ARMv6.

---druck

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#38227

On 12/07/2026 11:03, druck wrote:
> Running 64 bit code on something with only 512MB is very painful, I 
> tried and gave up on a Pi 3A+, where as you can just about get away with 
> it on the 1GB Pi 3B+.

Running a GUI desktop is painful on 1GB, manageable (at a pinch) on 2GB. 
I find that to be true pretty-much regardless of whether the code is 
32-bit or 64-bit.

Running 64-bit code without a GUI -- for example on a headless device 
running a web server and/or ssh -- seems to be fine in 512MB, or at 
least as fine as the same thing in 32 bits.

-- 
Cheers,
  Daniel.

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#38228

On 12/07/2026 17:47, Daniel James wrote:
> Running 64-bit code without a GUI -- for example on a headless device 
> running a web server and/or ssh -- seems to be fine in 512MB, or at 
> least as fine as the same thing in 32 bits.

Yes. In tjeh Great Changeover when people were arguing their tits poof 
about 64 bit versos 32 bit. I just installed 64 bit because I could.
I noticed no significant difference is speed, memory usage or disk space.

Some graphics heavy shit was a bit faster

You cant really run a GUI on a Zero, once you get rid of that its got 
bags of RAM for a dedicated application, 32 or 64 bit
e.g.
$ free -m
                      total        used        free      shared 
buff/cache   available
Mem:             429          62         146          34         220 
     278
Swap:             99           0           99


-- 
New Socialism consists essentially in being seen to have your heart in 
the right place whilst your head is in the clouds and your hand is in 
someone else's pocket.

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