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| Started by | Jim Nagel <jimnewsm13c@abbeypress.co.uk> |
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| First post | 2015-09-06 15:20 +0100 |
| Last post | 2016-02-21 21:50 +0000 |
| Articles | 10 on this page of 90 — 22 participants |
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controlling a mains-powered oven Jim Nagel <jimnewsm13c@abbeypress.co.uk> - 2015-09-06 15:20 +0100
Re: controlling a mains-powered oven "gareth" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2015-09-06 17:40 +0100
Re: controlling a mains-powered oven Andy Burns <usenet.feb2014@adslpipe.co.uk> - 2015-09-06 17:56 +0100
Re: controlling a mains-powered oven The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-09-06 18:40 +0100
Re: controlling a mains-powered oven Bernard Peek <{bap}@gamma.shrdlu.com> - 2015-09-07 20:16 +0000
Re: controlling a mains-powered oven Gordon Henderson <gordon+usenet@drogon.net> - 2015-09-06 18:09 +0000
Re: controlling a mains-powered oven mick <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2015-09-07 08:03 +0000
Re: controlling a mains-powered oven Alan Adams <alan@adamshome.org.uk> - 2015-09-07 09:48 +0100
Re: controlling a mains-powered oven mm0fmf <none@mailinator.com> - 2015-09-07 19:19 +0100
Re: controlling a mains-powered oven Kallu Wiegand <spam.only@roev.de> - 2015-09-08 21:12 +0200
Re: controlling a mains-powered oven Jim Nagel <jimnewsm13c@abbeypress.co.uk> - 2015-11-20 14:08 +0000
Re: controlling a mains-powered oven Gordon Henderson <gordon+usenet@drogon.net> - 2015-11-21 14:23 +0000
Re: controlling a mains-powered oven Folderol <general@musically.me.uk> - 2015-11-21 14:55 +0000
Re: controlling a mains-powered oven rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 10:50 -0500
Re: controlling a mains-powered oven Gordon Henderson <gordon+usenet@drogon.net> - 2015-11-21 19:06 +0000
Re: controlling a mains-powered oven rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 20:52 -0500
Re: controlling a mains-powered oven Gordon Henderson <gordon+usenet@drogon.net> - 2015-11-22 10:11 +0000
Re: controlling a mains-powered oven rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-11-22 10:47 -0500
Re: controlling a mains-powered oven Gordon Henderson <gordon+usenet@drogon.net> - 2015-11-22 18:17 +0000
Re: controlling a mains-powered oven rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-11-22 13:51 -0500
Re: controlling a mains-powered oven Andy Burns <usenet.feb2014@adslpipe.co.uk> - 2015-11-22 18:59 +0000
Re: controlling a mains-powered oven rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-11-22 14:26 -0500
Re: controlling a mains-powered oven Andy Burns <usenet.feb2014@adslpipe.co.uk> - 2015-11-22 19:50 +0000
Re: controlling a mains-powered oven rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-11-22 15:05 -0500
Re: controlling a mains-powered oven Andy Burns <usenet.feb2014@adslpipe.co.uk> - 2015-11-22 20:17 +0000
Re: controlling a mains-powered oven Gordon Henderson <gordon+usenet@drogon.net> - 2015-11-22 20:52 +0000
Re: controlling a mains-powered oven Jim Nagel <jimnewsm13c@abbeypress.co.uk> - 2015-11-27 01:06 +0000
Re: controlling a mains-powered oven Gordon Henderson <gordon+usenet@drogon.net> - 2015-11-27 18:15 +0000
Re: controlling a mains-powered oven Gordon Henderson <gordon+usenet@drogon.net> - 2015-11-22 20:21 +0000
Re: controlling a mains-powered oven rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-11-22 15:40 -0500
Re: controlling a mains-powered oven Gordon Henderson <gordon+usenet@drogon.net> - 2015-11-22 20:54 +0000
Re: controlling a mains-powered oven rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-11-22 16:08 -0500
Re: controlling a mains-powered oven The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-11-23 05:02 +0000
Re: controlling a mains-powered oven Charlie <cdknospam@msn.com> - 2015-12-11 21:27 -0500
Re: controlling a mains-powered oven Theo Markettos <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2015-12-12 13:53 +0000
Re: controlling a mains-powered oven Charlie <cdknospam@msn.com> - 2015-12-15 22:17 -0500
Re: controlling a mains-powered oven Folderol <general@musically.me.uk> - 2015-12-16 10:01 +0000
Re: controlling a mains-powered oven Charlie <cdknospam@msn.com> - 2015-12-19 19:47 -0500
Re: controlling a mains-powered oven Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2015-12-20 12:28 +0000
Re: controlling a mains-powered oven Kallu Wiegand <spam.only@roev.de> - 2015-12-20 15:59 +0100
Re: controlling a mains-powered oven Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2015-12-20 16:26 +0000
Re: controlling a mains-powered oven Folderol <general@musically.me.uk> - 2015-12-20 17:54 +0000
Re: controlling a mains-powered oven Kallu Wiegand <spam.only@roev.de> - 2015-12-20 23:21 +0100
Re: controlling a mains-powered oven Gordon Henderson <gordon+usenet@drogon.net> - 2015-12-21 09:52 +0000
Re: controlling a mains-powered oven Andy Burns <usenet.feb2014@adslpipe.co.uk> - 2015-12-21 12:30 +0000
Re: controlling a mains-powered oven The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-12-21 12:39 +0000
Re: controlling a mains-powered oven Folderol <general@musically.me.uk> - 2015-12-21 18:28 +0000
Re: controlling a mains-powered oven mm0fmf <none@mailinator.com> - 2015-12-22 08:52 +0000
Re: controlling a mains-powered oven The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-12-22 08:56 +0000
Re: controlling a mains-powered oven Charlie <cdknospam@msn.com> - 2015-12-22 10:53 -0500
Re: controlling a mains-powered oven rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-12-20 13:18 -0500
Re: controlling a mains-powered oven Paul <paul@pcserviceselectronics.co.uk> - 2015-12-22 13:44 +0000
Re: controlling a mains-powered oven rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-12-22 10:47 -0500
Re: controlling a mains-powered oven Paul <paul@pcserviceselectronics.co.uk> - 2015-12-22 18:33 +0000
Re: controlling a mains-powered oven Charlie <cdknospam@msn.com> - 2015-12-22 11:08 -0500
Re: controlling a mains-powered oven mm0fmf <none@mailinator.com> - 2015-11-22 19:42 +0000
Re: controlling a mains-powered oven rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-09-07 14:25 -0400
Re: controlling a mains-powered oven Dr J R Stockton <reply1500@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2015-09-07 21:10 +0100
Re: controlling a mains-powered oven The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-09-07 23:49 +0100
Re: controlling a mains-powered oven Alan Adams <alan@adamshome.org.uk> - 2015-09-08 09:04 +0100
Re: controlling a mains-powered oven rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-09-08 05:32 -0400
Re: controlling a mains-powered oven Folderol <general@musically.me.uk> - 2015-09-08 18:21 +0100
Re: controlling a mains-powered oven Jim Nagel <jimnewsm13c@abbeypress.co.uk> - 2015-09-08 19:03 +0100
Re: controlling a mains-powered oven Folderol <general@musically.me.uk> - 2015-09-08 19:11 +0100
Re: controlling a mains-powered oven rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-09-08 14:15 -0400
Re: controlling a mains-powered oven The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-09-08 22:27 +0100
Re: controlling a mains-powered oven Theo Markettos <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2015-09-09 14:05 +0100
Re: controlling a mains-powered oven Gordon Henderson <gordon+usenet@drogon.net> - 2015-09-09 13:10 +0000
Re: controlling a mains-powered oven Theo Markettos <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2015-09-09 15:46 +0100
Re: controlling a mains-powered oven Rob <nomail@example.com> - 2015-09-09 16:08 +0000
Re: controlling a mains-powered oven Gordon Henderson <gordon+usenet@drogon.net> - 2015-09-09 19:14 +0000
Re: controlling a mains-powered oven Folderol <general@musically.me.uk> - 2015-09-09 21:00 +0100
Re: controlling a mains-powered oven Gordon Henderson <gordon+usenet@drogon.net> - 2015-09-09 21:59 +0000
Re: controlling a mains-powered oven Theo Markettos <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2015-09-09 23:58 +0100
Re: controlling a mains-powered oven Gordon Henderson <gordon+usenet@drogon.net> - 2015-09-10 06:17 +0000
Re: controlling a mains-powered oven rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-09-09 23:48 -0400
Re: controlling a mains-powered oven Alan Adams <alan@adamshome.org.uk> - 2015-09-08 19:02 +0100
Re: controlling a mains-powered oven Gordon Henderson <gordon+usenet@drogon.net> - 2015-09-08 11:23 +0000
Re: controlling a mains-powered oven mm0fmf <none@mailinator.com> - 2015-09-08 12:41 +0100
Re: controlling a mains-powered oven Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-09-08 12:58 +0100
Re: controlling a mains-powered oven Gordon Henderson <gordon+usenet@drogon.net> - 2015-09-08 13:26 +0000
Re: controlling a mains-powered oven Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-09-08 14:50 +0100
Re: controlling a mains-powered oven Gordon Henderson <gordon+usenet@drogon.net> - 2015-09-08 14:24 +0000
Re: controlling a mains-powered oven "A. Dumas" <alexandre@dumas.fr.invalid> - 2015-09-08 17:17 +0200
Re: controlling a mains-powered oven Dr J R Stockton <reply1500@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2015-09-08 22:05 +0100
Re: controlling a mains-powered oven Gordon Henderson <gordon+usenet@drogon.net> - 2015-12-20 10:15 +0000
Re: controlling a mains-powered oven David <wibble@btintenet.com> - 2016-02-20 14:37 +0000
Re: controlling a mains-powered oven Rob Morley <nospam@ntlworld.com> - 2016-02-20 14:53 +0000
Re: controlling a mains-powered oven David <wibble@btintenet.com> - 2016-02-20 16:33 +0000
Re: controlling a mains-powered oven Paul <paul@pcserviceselectronics.co.uk> - 2016-02-21 21:50 +0000
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| From | Gordon Henderson <gordon+usenet@drogon.net> |
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| Date | 2015-09-08 13:26 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <msmnml$5r6$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #9569 |
In article <20150908125802.536194730e3e5362d976e343@eircom.net>, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote: >On Tue, 8 Sep 2015 11:23:13 +0000 (UTC) >Gordon Henderson <gordon+usenet@drogon.net> wrote: > >> I'm not sure about mid-cycle switching of the incoming mains though >> - basically the same as a light dimmer in operation - prone to noise >> (suppressible though) and is it that efficient with a resistive/heating >> load? > > That's the best kind of load for this kind of dimmer (inductive >loads hate this treatment). Still it will be hard to suppress - a cut off >near the peak will have a fearsome dI/dt - read big spike if there's any >appreciable inductance around and plenty of energy for radiating >interference. It is possible though - theatrical lighting boards switch >similar loads regularly without crackling up the sound system. But cost lots more than this project is worth (for me!) > Still given the inherently slow response of an oven I'd be inclined >to go for essentially pulse width modulation with the width measured in half >cycles of the mains and switch at zero crossing - perhaps using patterns in >say 16 cycles to provide various power levels or just KISS and use slow >bang/bang with hysteresis (but then why bother with a computer), either way >zero crossing means no interference problems. Indeed For me - bothering with the computer - because I can. Also most capillairy tube thermostats are utterly rubbish - when I replced the element in this oven I think I must have damaged the thermostat too as it also stopped working - the replacement is 15C cooler than the original one. It's also part of my master plan to automate all my ovens, mixers, etc. building a dough proofer/retarder too... Geek in a bakehouse! -Gordon
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| From | Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> |
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| Date | 2015-09-08 14:50 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <20150908145052.7ee18c807c38ec04e84b8afd@eircom.net> |
| In reply to | #9570 |
On Tue, 8 Sep 2015 13:26:45 +0000 (UTC) Gordon Henderson <gordon+usenet@drogon.net> wrote: > In article <20150908125802.536194730e3e5362d976e343@eircom.net>, > Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote: > > Still given the inherently slow response of an oven I'd be > > inclined > >to go for essentially pulse width modulation with the width measured in > >half cycles of the mains and switch at zero crossing - perhaps using > >patterns in say 16 cycles to provide various power levels or just KISS > >and use slow bang/bang with hysteresis (but then why bother with a > >computer), either way zero crossing means no interference problems. > > Indeed > > For me - bothering with the computer - because I can. Also most Ah well in that case have some fun - pick your switching device(s) and connect as thinly as possible to an output pin(s), also feed transformed, and heavily clipped (ie. as near to square as possible) mains into another for an edge triggered interrupt to act as a zero cross detector. Write some fun sweet software. If you're going to have a computer you might as well minimise the extra hardware and do as much as possible in software. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith | Directable Mirror Arrays C:>WIN | A better way to focus the sun The computer obeys and wins. | licences available see You lose and Bill collects. | http://www.sohara.org/
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| From | Gordon Henderson <gordon+usenet@drogon.net> |
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| Date | 2015-09-08 14:24 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <msmr3p$l2u$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #9571 |
In article <20150908145052.7ee18c807c38ec04e84b8afd@eircom.net>, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote: >On Tue, 8 Sep 2015 13:26:45 +0000 (UTC) >Gordon Henderson <gordon+usenet@drogon.net> wrote: > >> In article <20150908125802.536194730e3e5362d976e343@eircom.net>, >> Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote: > >> > Still given the inherently slow response of an oven I'd be >> > inclined >> >to go for essentially pulse width modulation with the width measured in >> >half cycles of the mains and switch at zero crossing - perhaps using >> >patterns in say 16 cycles to provide various power levels or just KISS >> >and use slow bang/bang with hysteresis (but then why bother with a >> >computer), either way zero crossing means no interference problems. >> >> Indeed >> >> For me - bothering with the computer - because I can. Also most > > Ah well in that case have some fun - pick your switching device(s) >and connect as thinly as possible to an output pin(s), also feed >transformed, and heavily clipped (ie. as near to square as possible) mains >into another for an edge triggered interrupt to act as a zero cross >detector. Write some fun sweet software. If you're going to have a computer >you might as well minimise the extra hardware and do as much as possible in >software. Pretty sure I'll be OK. I'll be writing it in BASIC using wiringPi. Gordon
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| From | "A. Dumas" <alexandre@dumas.fr.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-09-08 17:17 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <55eefbf5$0$23790$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl> |
| In reply to | #9572 |
On 08-09-15 16:24, Gordon Henderson wrote: > Pretty sure I'll be OK. I'll be writing it in BASIC using wiringPi. Speaking of which; I noticed the other day that wiringPi is now in the standard apt repository, so the dependency of rtb is met and both may be installed using apt-get. Thanks!
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| From | Dr J R Stockton <reply1500@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-09-08 22:05 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <rteyAKpf207VFwxV@invalid.uk.co.demon.merlyn.invalid> |
| In reply to | #9564 |
In comp.sys.raspberry-pi message <msl493$35c$2@news.albasani.net>, Mon, 7 Sep 2015 23:49:07, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> posted: >On 07/09/15 21:10, Dr J R Stockton wrote: >> In comp.sys.raspberry-pi message <b201e7fe54.jim@abbeypress.net>, Sun, >> 6 Sep 2015 15:20:49, Jim Nagel <jimnewsm13c@abbeypress.co.uk> posted: >> >>> Seems to me the Pi's job would basically be to read a temperature >>> sensor in each oven (smaller upper one and larger lower one) and >>> trigger relays (or nowadays maybe thyristors?) to switch various >>> heating elements on and off accordingly. (That's top and bottom >>> element in each oven plus a fan element in bottom oven.) >> >> If, rather than switching things on and off every few seconds or >> minutes, you alter the point in each mains half-cycle at which the mains >> is applied to the elements, you _may_ increase the life of the elements. >> >I haven't ever even met someone who has had an oven element go in the >last 30 years.... You have not, as far as I know, met me. -- (c) John Stockton, Surrey, UK. ¬@merlyn.demon.co.uk Turnpike v6.05 MIME. Web <http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/> - FAQish topics, acronyms, & links.
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| From | Gordon Henderson <gordon+usenet@drogon.net> |
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| Date | 2015-12-20 10:15 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n55v4f$rcc$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #9539 |
In article <b201e7fe54.jim@abbeypress.net>, Jim Nagel <jimnewsm13c@abbeypress.co.uk> wrote: >Has anybody used a Pi to control a mains-powered device? I'm looking >for some tips. > >The electronic controller of our electric double oven is no longer >reliable -- temperature varies far too much, according to the >independent external thermometer I bought. Rather than spend Ł200 to >replace the controller, I fancy using a Pi instead. It could live >inside a nearby cupboard door, with a nice big screen at eye level >instead of the present little thing for which I have to don specs. > >Seems to me the Pi's job would basically be to read a temperature >sensor in each oven (smaller upper one and larger lower one) and >trigger relays (or nowadays maybe thyristors?) to switch various >heating elements on and off accordingly. (That's top and bottom >element in each oven plus a fan element in bottom oven.) > >Would this be feasible? Anybody done it already? I finally got round to doing a little blog post in this: https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi-controlled-oven/ cheers, Gordon
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| From | David <wibble@btintenet.com> |
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| Date | 2016-02-20 14:37 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <dirc1qFcc7bU5@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #9539 |
On Sun, 06 Sep 2015 15:20:49 +0100, Jim Nagel wrote: > Has anybody used a Pi to control a mains-powered device? I'm looking > for some tips. > > The electronic controller of our electric double oven is no longer > reliable -- temperature varies far too much, according to the > independent external thermometer I bought. Rather than spend £200 to > replace the controller, I fancy using a Pi instead. It could live > inside a nearby cupboard door, with a nice big screen at eye level > instead of the present little thing for which I have to don specs. > > Seems to me the Pi's job would basically be to read a temperature sensor > in each oven (smaller upper one and larger lower one) and trigger relays > (or nowadays maybe thyristors?) to switch various heating elements on > and off accordingly. (That's top and bottom element in each oven plus a > fan element in bottom oven.) > > Would this be feasible? Anybody done it already? Thought this would be very appropriate to uk.d-i-y -- Windows 8.1 on PCSpecialist box
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| From | Rob Morley <nospam@ntlworld.com> |
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| Date | 2016-02-20 14:53 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <20160220145324.72c73890@ntlworld.com> |
| In reply to | #10726 |
On 20 Feb 2016 14:37:46 GMT David <wibble@btintenet.com> wrote: > Thought this would be very appropriate to uk.d-i-y > Why? Is it full of Raspberry Pi enthusiasts who for some reason can't subscribe to comp.sys.raspberry-pi ?
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| From | David <wibble@btintenet.com> |
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| Date | 2016-02-20 16:33 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <dirir9Fcc7bU8@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #10726 |
On Sat, 20 Feb 2016 14:40:05 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 20/02/16 14:37, David wrote: >> On Sun, 06 Sep 2015 15:20:49 +0100, Jim Nagel wrote: >> >>> Has anybody used a Pi to control a mains-powered device? I'm looking >>> for some tips. >>> >>> The electronic controller of our electric double oven is no longer >>> reliable -- temperature varies far too much, according to the >>> independent external thermometer I bought. Rather than spend £200 to >>> replace the controller, I fancy using a Pi instead. It could live >>> inside a nearby cupboard door, with a nice big screen at eye level >>> instead of the present little thing for which I have to don specs. >>> >>> Seems to me the Pi's job would basically be to read a temperature >>> sensor in each oven (smaller upper one and larger lower one) and >>> trigger relays (or nowadays maybe thyristors?) to switch various >>> heating elements on and off accordingly. (That's top and bottom >>> element in each oven plus a fan element in bottom oven.) >>> >>> Would this be feasible? Anybody done it already? >> >> >> Thought this would be very appropriate to uk.d-i-y >> >> > It was, 6 months ago... IIRC there have been updates since. -- Windows 8.1 on PCSpecialist box
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| From | Paul <paul@pcserviceselectronics.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2016-02-21 21:50 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <MPG.3134416a4c1bf6c59897e8@172.16.0.1> |
| In reply to | #10736 |
In article <dirir9Fcc7bU8@mid.individual.net>, wibble@btintenet.com says... > > On Sat, 20 Feb 2016 14:40:05 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > > > On 20/02/16 14:37, David wrote: > >> On Sun, 06 Sep 2015 15:20:49 +0100, Jim Nagel wrote: > >> > >>> Has anybody used a Pi to control a mains-powered device? I'm looking > >>> for some tips. > >>> > >>> The electronic controller of our electric double oven is no longer > >>> reliable -- temperature varies far too much, according to the > >>> independent external thermometer I bought. Rather than spend £200 to > >>> replace the controller, I fancy using a Pi instead. It could live > >>> inside a nearby cupboard door, with a nice big screen at eye level > >>> instead of the present little thing for which I have to don specs. > >>> > >>> Seems to me the Pi's job would basically be to read a temperature > >>> sensor in each oven (smaller upper one and larger lower one) and > >>> trigger relays (or nowadays maybe thyristors?) to switch various > >>> heating elements on and off accordingly. (That's top and bottom > >>> element in each oven plus a fan element in bottom oven.) > >>> > >>> Would this be feasible? Anybody done it already? > >> > >> > >> Thought this would be very appropriate to uk.d-i-y > >> > >> > > It was, 6 months ago... > > > IIRC there have been updates since. >-- >Windows 8.1 on PCSpecialist box So you should have had the updates to forced on you to Windows 10 ... -- Paul Carpenter | paul@pcserviceselectronics.co.uk <http://www.pcserviceselectronics.co.uk/> PC Services <http://www.pcserviceselectronics.co.uk/pi/> Raspberry Pi Add-ons <http://www.pcserviceselectronics.co.uk/fonts/> Timing Diagram Font <http://www.badweb.org.uk/> For those web sites you hate
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