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| Started by | "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> |
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| First post | 2016-06-13 19:32 +0100 |
| Last post | 2016-07-05 14:28 +0000 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 788 — 65 participants |
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Is it a lost cause? "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-13 19:32 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-06-13 21:02 +0200
Re: Is it a lost cause? Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2016-06-13 21:25 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-06-13 17:43 -0400
Re: Is it a lost cause? Folderol <general@musically.me.uk> - 2016-06-13 23:05 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-14 08:52 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-06-14 15:52 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-14 16:55 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-06-14 12:53 -0400
Re: Is it a lost cause? "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-14 18:22 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-06-14 13:27 -0400
Re: Is it a lost cause? "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-14 18:41 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-06-14 15:05 -0400
Re: Is it a lost cause? "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-20 14:09 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-06-13 23:07 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2016-06-13 23:02 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-14 08:56 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-14 08:13 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? Darren Salt <newsspam@moreofthespa.m.invalid> - 2016-06-17 03:39 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-17 08:46 +0200
Re: Is it a lost cause? "A. Dumas" <alexandre@dumas.fr.invalid> - 2016-06-17 10:51 +0200
Re: Is it a lost cause? Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-13 20:14 -0400
Re: Is it a lost cause? Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2016-06-14 10:54 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-14 11:57 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-14 13:02 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-06-14 14:45 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-14 15:32 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-14 15:22 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-14 19:56 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2016-06-14 15:30 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-14 19:59 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2016-06-14 23:42 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-15 07:48 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-06-15 11:22 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-15 11:28 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2016-06-15 10:39 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? Dr J R Stockton <reply1600@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2016-06-18 13:56 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-06-14 09:48 -0500
Re: Is it a lost cause? Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-14 19:08 -0400
Re: Is it a lost cause? Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2016-06-15 00:18 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? Anonymous <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2016-06-15 01:57 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2016-06-15 11:05 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-15 07:53 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2016-06-15 10:53 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-15 11:24 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-06-15 13:03 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-15 12:53 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-06-15 13:10 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2016-06-15 12:28 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-06-15 15:37 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Tauno Voipio <tauno.voipio@notused.fi.invalid> - 2016-06-15 20:19 +0300
Re: Is it a lost cause? Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2016-06-15 17:52 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? Tauno Voipio <tauno.voipio@notused.fi.invalid> - 2016-06-15 21:08 +0300
Re: Is it a lost cause? jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-16 12:30 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-06-16 12:46 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-17 12:53 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? Tauno Voipio <tauno.voipio@notused.fi.invalid> - 2016-06-17 16:09 +0300
Re: Is it a lost cause? Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-06-16 22:58 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-15 21:03 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-15 20:12 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-15 21:24 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-06-16 03:47 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? jeffj@panix.com (Jeff Jonas) - 2016-07-02 23:55 -0400
Re: Is it a lost cause? Tauno Voipio <tauno.voipio@notused.fi.invalid> - 2016-07-03 11:03 +0300
Re: Is it a lost cause? Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-07-03 10:20 -0400
Re: Is it a lost cause? Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-15 12:43 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-15 08:27 -0400
Re: Is it a lost cause? jeffj@panix.com (Jeff Jonas) - 2016-07-02 04:38 -0400
Re: Is it a lost cause? Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-07-02 14:00 -0400
Re: Is it a lost cause? Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-07-02 08:13 -0700
Re: Is it a lost cause? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-07-02 12:09 -0400
Re: Is it a lost cause? Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-07-02 12:36 -0700
Re: Is it a lost cause? Anonymous <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2016-06-15 01:32 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-15 07:49 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? jeffj@panix.com (Jeff Jonas) - 2016-07-01 22:17 -0400
Re: Is it a lost cause? Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-07-02 09:10 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-07-02 12:26 -0400
Re: Is it a lost cause? Tauno Voipio <tauno.voipio@notused.fi.invalid> - 2016-07-02 21:35 +0300
Re: Is it a lost cause? Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2016-07-02 20:45 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-07-02 22:14 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> - 2016-07-02 21:42 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-07-02 19:12 -0400
Re: Is it a lost cause? jeffj@panix.com (Jeff Jonas) - 2016-07-03 22:41 -0400
Re: Is it a lost cause? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-07-03 07:11 -0400
Re: Is it a lost cause? Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2016-07-03 11:33 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-07-03 12:45 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2016-07-03 12:36 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-07-03 11:54 -0400
Re: Is it a lost cause? jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-07-03 13:33 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-07-03 15:20 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2016-07-03 15:38 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-07-03 12:03 -0400
Re: Is it a lost cause? Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2016-07-03 17:18 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-07-04 15:17 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-07-04 18:28 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-07-05 03:14 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-07-05 06:17 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-07-05 13:32 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-07-05 14:53 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-07-05 09:55 -0400
Re: Is it a lost cause? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-07-05 15:15 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-07-05 09:42 -0500
Re: Is it a lost cause? "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-07-05 15:51 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-07-06 13:11 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2016-07-04 14:45 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2016-07-04 14:54 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-07-04 12:06 -0400
Re: Is it a lost cause? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-07-04 19:10 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-07-04 15:33 -0400
Re: Is it a lost cause? Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2016-07-04 20:16 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-07-04 22:12 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-07-04 21:20 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-07-04 17:15 -0400
Re: Is it a lost cause? jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-07-04 12:42 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-07-04 14:26 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-07-04 17:33 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-07-04 17:35 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-07-04 18:20 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-07-04 09:01 -0500
Re: Is it a lost cause? jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-07-05 13:32 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-07-05 14:55 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-07-05 15:11 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-07-05 16:01 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-07-05 17:32 +0200
Re: Is it a lost cause? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-07-05 19:47 -0400
Re: Is it a lost cause? Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-07-05 17:11 -0700
Re: Is it a lost cause? jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-07-06 13:11 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-07-05 21:08 -0400
Re: Is it a lost cause? jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-07-06 13:11 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-07-06 14:44 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-07-07 12:52 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-07-05 18:19 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-07-06 13:11 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-07-04 13:01 -0400
Re: Is it a lost cause? Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-07-03 11:30 -0400
Re: Is it a lost cause? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-07-03 17:31 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-07-03 11:54 -0400
Re: Is it a lost cause? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-07-03 17:30 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2016-07-03 17:57 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2016-07-03 14:51 -0400
Re: software origami, was Is it a lost cause? John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> - 2016-07-03 23:18 +0000
Re: software origami, was Is it a lost cause? andrew@cucumber.demon.co.uk (Andrew Gabriel) - 2016-07-04 08:24 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2016-07-03 17:20 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-07-03 16:15 -0400
Re: ancient history, Is it a lost cause? John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> - 2016-07-03 22:55 +0000
Re: ancient history, Is it a lost cause? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-07-04 06:35 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-07-03 11:54 -0400
Re: Is it a lost cause? Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-07-03 11:22 -0400
Re: Is it a lost cause? "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-07-03 12:33 -0500
Re: Is it a lost cause? John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> - 2016-07-03 22:57 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-07-04 15:47 -0500
Re: Is it a lost cause? Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-07-04 17:24 -0400
Re: Is it a lost cause? jeffj@panix.com (Jeff Jonas) - 2016-07-03 22:31 -0400
Re: Is it a lost cause? Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-07-04 13:10 -0400
Re: Is it a lost cause? jeffj@panix.com (Jeff Jonas) - 2016-07-05 01:47 -0400
Re: Is it a lost cause? Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-07-02 21:56 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2016-07-03 00:44 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-07-03 00:55 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2016-07-03 11:21 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-07-03 11:39 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2016-07-03 12:21 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-07-03 13:06 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-07-03 13:53 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-07-03 13:02 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2016-07-03 01:16 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-07-02 22:35 -0400
Re: Is it a lost cause? Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-07-02 23:23 -0400
Re: Is it a lost cause? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-07-03 00:07 -0400
Re: Is it a lost cause? Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-07-03 11:20 -0400
Re: Is it a lost cause? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-07-03 13:37 -0400
Re: Is it a lost cause? Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-07-03 22:41 -0400
Re: Is it a lost cause? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-07-04 13:22 -0400
Re: Is it a lost cause? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-07-04 10:59 -0400
Re: Is it a lost cause? Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-07-04 14:49 -0400
Re: Is it a lost cause? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-07-04 15:33 -0400
Re: Is it a lost cause? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-07-04 12:06 -0400
Re: Is it a lost cause? Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-07-04 10:00 -0700
Re: Is it a lost cause? jeffj@panix.com (Jeff Jonas) - 2016-07-05 01:42 -0400
Re: Is it a lost cause? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-07-05 08:52 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? sidd@situ.com (sidd) - 2016-07-05 22:59 -0400
Re: Is it a lost cause? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-07-04 06:44 -0400
Re: Is it a lost cause? Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-07-04 09:45 -0400
Re: Is it a lost cause? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-07-03 07:11 -0400
Re: Is it a lost cause? Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-07-02 19:12 -0400
Re: Is it a lost cause? Tauno Voipio <tauno.voipio@notused.fi.invalid> - 2016-07-03 11:14 +0300
Re: Is it a lost cause? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-07-03 12:04 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-07-03 07:49 -0700
Re: Is it a lost cause? Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-07-03 11:26 -0400
Re: Is it a lost cause? jeffj@panix.com (Jeff Jonas) - 2016-07-03 21:53 -0400
Re: Is it a lost cause? Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-07-04 17:33 -0400
Re: self-modifying code, was Is it a lost cause? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-07-04 19:05 +0100
Re: self-modifying code, was Is it a lost cause? John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> - 2016-07-04 21:05 +0000
Re: self-modifying code, was Is it a lost cause? Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-07-04 21:12 +0000
Re: self-modifying code, was Is it a lost cause? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-07-05 08:30 +0100
Re: self-modifying code, was Is it a lost cause? Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-07-05 12:03 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-07-04 06:43 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-07-04 18:39 +0000
Re: self-modifying code, Is it a lost cause? Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-07-04 18:40 +0000
Re: self-modifying code, Is it a lost cause? Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-07-04 18:42 +0000
Re: self-modifying code, Is it a lost cause? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-07-04 19:53 +0100
Re: self-modifying code, Is it a lost cause? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-07-04 15:20 -0400
Re: self-modifying code, Is it a lost cause? Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-07-04 20:50 +0000
Re: self-modifying code, Is it a lost cause? Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-07-04 16:28 -0500
Re: self-modifying code, Is it a lost cause? "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-07-05 16:37 +0100
Re: self-modifying code, Is it a lost cause? John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> - 2016-07-04 21:03 +0000
Re: self-modifying code, Is it a lost cause? Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-07-04 21:08 +0000
Re: self-modifying code, Is it a lost cause? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-07-05 06:13 +0100
Re: self-modifying code, Is it a lost cause? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-07-05 06:36 -0400
Re: self-modifying code, Is it a lost cause? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-07-05 12:37 +0100
Re: self-modifying code, Is it a lost cause? jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-07-05 13:32 +0000
Re: self-modifying code, Is it a lost cause? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-07-05 15:12 +0100
Re: self-modifying code, Is it a lost cause? Raymond Wiker <rwiker@gmail.com> - 2016-07-05 20:09 +0200
Re: self-modifying code, Is it a lost cause? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-07-05 19:52 +0100
Re: self-modifying code, Is it a lost cause? Raymond Wiker <rwiker@gmail.com> - 2016-07-05 21:11 +0200
Re: self-modifying code, Is it a lost cause? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-07-05 20:30 +0100
Re: self-modifying code, Is it a lost cause? Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2016-07-06 00:51 +0000
Re: self-modifying code, Is it a lost cause? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-07-05 20:09 +0100
Re: self-modifying code, Is it a lost cause? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-07-05 20:32 +0100
Re: self-modifying code, Is it a lost cause? Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2016-07-06 00:44 +0000
Re: tiny old computers, was self-modifying code, Is it a lost cause? John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> - 2016-07-05 21:08 +0000
Re: tiny old computers, was self-modifying code, Is it a lost cause? jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-07-06 13:11 +0000
Re: tiny old computers, was self-modifying code, Is it a lost cause? Rob <nomail@example.com> - 2016-07-06 15:01 +0000
Re: tiny old computers, was self-modifying code, Is it a lost cause? jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-07-07 12:52 +0000
Re: self-modifying code, Is it a lost cause? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-07-05 20:49 -0400
Re: self-modifying code, Is it a lost cause? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-07-06 10:45 +0100
Re: self-modifying code, Is it a lost cause? Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-07-06 12:05 +0200
Re: self-modifying code, Is it a lost cause? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-07-06 11:41 +0100
Re: self-modifying code, Is it a lost cause? jeffj@panix.com (Jeff Jonas) - 2016-07-06 08:59 -0400
Re: self-modifying code, Is it a lost cause? jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-07-06 13:11 +0000
Re: self-modifying code, Is it a lost cause? Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-07-05 16:00 +0200
Re: self-modifying code, Is it a lost cause? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-07-05 20:46 -0400
Re: self-modifying code, Is it a lost cause? jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-07-05 13:32 +0000
Re: self-modifying code, Is it a lost cause? Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2016-07-04 19:56 +0000
Re: self-modifying code, Is it a lost cause? Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-07-04 20:52 +0000
Re: self-modifying code, Is it a lost cause? Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2016-07-04 21:25 +0000
Re: stacks, was self-modifying code, Is it a lost cause? John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> - 2016-07-04 21:12 +0000
Re: self-modifying code, Is it a lost cause? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-07-05 06:10 +0100
Re: self-modifying code, Is it a lost cause? jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-07-05 13:32 +0000
Re: self-modifying code, Is it a lost cause? Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-07-05 09:35 -0500
Re: self-modifying code, Is it a lost cause? Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2016-07-05 16:33 +0000
Re: self-modifying code, Is it a lost cause? Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2016-07-05 18:16 +0000
Re: self-modifying code, Is it a lost cause? jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-07-06 13:11 +0000
Re: self-modifying code, Is it a lost cause? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-07-05 15:05 +0100
Re: self-modifying code, Is it a lost cause? John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> - 2016-07-05 21:12 +0000
Re: self-modifying code, Is it a lost cause? cb@elaine.df.lth.se (Christian Brunschen) - 2016-07-05 21:49 +0000
Re: self-modifying code, Is it a lost cause? "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-07-06 06:12 -0500
Re: self-modifying code, Is it a lost cause? Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2016-07-05 08:51 -0600
Re: self-modifying code, Is it a lost cause? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-07-05 16:05 +0100
Re: self-modifying code, Is it a lost cause? Tauno Voipio <tauno.voipio@notused.fi.invalid> - 2016-07-04 23:04 +0300
Re: self-modifying code, Is it a lost cause? Rob <nomail@example.com> - 2016-07-04 20:35 +0000
Re: self-modifying code, Is it a lost cause? Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-07-04 20:54 +0000
Re: self-modifying code, Is it a lost cause? Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2016-07-04 21:12 +0000
Re: self-modifying code, Is it a lost cause? Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-07-04 20:49 +0000
Re: self-modifying code, Is it a lost cause? mm0fmf <none@invalid.com> - 2016-07-04 21:54 +0100
Re: self-modifying code, Is it a lost cause? Tauno Voipio <tauno.voipio@notused.fi.invalid> - 2016-07-05 14:16 +0300
Re: self-modifying code, Is it a lost cause? Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-07-05 09:40 -0500
Re: self-modifying code, Is it a lost cause? mm0fmf <none@invalid.com> - 2016-07-05 18:51 +0100
Re: self-modifying code, Is it a lost cause? Tauno Voipio <tauno.voipio@notused.fi.invalid> - 2016-07-05 21:08 +0300
Re: Is it a lost cause? Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-07-04 17:21 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-07-04 17:28 +0100
Re: self-modifying code, Is it a lost cause? John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> - 2016-07-04 16:38 +0000
Re: self-modifying code, Is it a lost cause? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-07-04 17:53 +0100
Re: self-modifying code, Is it a lost cause? Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2016-07-04 14:52 -0600
Re: self-modifying code, Is it a lost cause? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-07-04 17:22 -0400
Re: self-modifying code, was Is it a lost cause? John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> - 2016-07-04 16:35 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-07-04 12:41 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-06-13 21:50 -0400
Re: Is it a lost cause? "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-14 09:00 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-06-13 23:03 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-06-13 23:37 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-13 20:43 -0400
Re: Is it a lost cause? Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2016-06-14 11:05 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-06-14 12:07 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-06-14 10:20 -0700
Re: Is it a lost cause? Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-14 19:16 -0400
Re: Is it a lost cause? Andy Leighton <andyl@azaal.plus.com> - 2016-06-15 08:01 -0500
Re: Is it a lost cause? Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-15 13:06 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? Folderol <general@musically.me.uk> - 2016-06-15 14:26 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? jeffj@panix.com (Jeff Jonas) - 2016-07-02 03:24 -0400
Re: Is it a lost cause? Folderol <general@musically.me.uk> - 2016-07-02 08:43 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-07-02 09:11 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-07-02 10:38 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-07-02 07:56 -0700
Re: Is it a lost cause? "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-07-02 10:30 -0500
Re: Is it a lost cause? Folderol <general@musically.me.uk> - 2016-07-02 16:50 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-07-02 17:21 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-07-02 16:58 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-07-02 11:52 -0700
Re: Is it a lost cause? "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-07-02 10:38 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Andy Leighton <andyl@azaal.plus.com> - 2016-07-02 06:23 -0500
Re: Is it a lost cause? "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-07-02 13:02 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? jeffj@panix.com (Jeff Jonas) - 2016-07-03 06:09 -0400
Re: Is it a lost cause? "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-14 09:01 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-06-14 13:09 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-14 15:29 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-14 20:30 -0400
Re: Is it a lost cause? "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-15 08:57 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-15 23:14 -0400
Re: Is it a lost cause? "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-16 08:36 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-06-16 12:46 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-06-16 13:25 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-06-16 14:22 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? jeffj@panix.com (Jeff Jonas) - 2016-07-02 22:33 -0400
Re: Is it a lost cause? Mike Tomlinson <mike@jasper.org.uk> - 2016-06-14 23:24 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-15 11:02 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-06-15 12:02 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-06-15 09:38 -0400
Re: Is it a lost cause? "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-15 16:35 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Rob Morley <nospam@ntlworld.com> - 2016-06-15 17:36 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-15 21:02 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-15 16:32 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-15 17:00 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? mm0fmf <none@invalid.com> - 2016-06-18 18:14 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-06-18 12:25 -0500
Re: Is it a lost cause? Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-13 20:11 -0400
Re: Is it a lost cause? "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-14 09:04 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-06-14 09:44 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Mike Tomlinson <mike@jasper.org.uk> - 2016-06-14 23:26 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-06-14 20:43 -0500
Re: Is it a lost cause? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-06-14 15:48 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? Darren Salt <newsspam@moreofthespa.m.invalid> - 2016-06-17 03:50 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-06-14 10:08 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-14 08:42 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-06-14 15:50 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-14 16:52 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Luke A. Guest <laguest@archeia.com> - 2016-07-01 20:28 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2016-07-01 20:21 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-07-01 23:10 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-07-01 22:35 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-07-02 10:35 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-07-02 09:53 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-07-02 11:24 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-07-02 11:21 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? mm0fmf <none@invalid.com> - 2016-07-02 12:39 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-07-02 13:01 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-07-02 13:51 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-07-02 12:26 -0400
Re: Is it a lost cause? "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-07-02 17:32 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-07-02 19:51 -0700
Re: Is it a lost cause? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-07-01 18:39 -0400
Re: Is it a lost cause? "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-07-02 10:36 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-07-02 18:56 -0400
Re: Is it a lost cause? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-07-02 19:14 -0400
Re: Is it a lost cause? alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2016-07-03 15:28 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-07-03 17:23 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2016-07-03 17:35 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-07-03 19:48 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2016-07-03 15:01 -0400
Re: Is it a lost cause? "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-07-03 20:25 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-07-03 13:17 -0700
Re: Is it a lost cause? Gordon Levi <gordon@address.invalid> - 2016-07-06 01:24 +1000
Re: Is it a lost cause? "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-07-05 16:29 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-07-05 12:09 -0400
Re: Is it a lost cause? Rob Morley <nospam@ntlworld.com> - 2016-07-05 17:38 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-07-05 18:23 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-07-05 18:30 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-07-06 13:11 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-07-05 18:29 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-07-05 23:07 +0200
Re: Is it a lost cause? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-07-06 12:45 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? jeffj@panix.com (Jeff Jonas) - 2016-07-06 09:05 -0400
Re: Is it a lost cause? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-07-06 13:52 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-07-06 07:37 -0700
Re: Is it a lost cause? Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-07-06 08:51 -0700
Re: Is it a lost cause? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-07-06 15:09 -0400
Re: Is it a lost cause? Michael J. Mahon <mjmahon@aol.com> - 2016-07-07 00:26 -0500
Re: Is it a lost cause? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-07-07 13:12 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-07-04 12:41 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2016-07-04 12:47 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-07-05 13:32 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-07-02 12:59 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-07-02 17:43 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-07-02 18:40 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-07-02 12:26 -0400
Re: Is it a lost cause? jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-07-02 12:59 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-07-02 09:14 -0400
Re: Is it a lost cause? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-07-02 12:26 -0400
Re: Is it a lost cause? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-07-02 13:00 -0400
Re: Is it a lost cause? Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2016-07-02 13:46 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-07-02 14:59 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-07-02 14:08 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-07-02 12:27 -0400
Re: Is it a lost cause? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-07-02 17:34 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2016-07-02 16:57 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? jeffj@panix.com (Jeff Jonas) - 2016-07-03 06:23 -0400
Re: Is it a lost cause? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-07-03 12:06 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-07-03 13:33 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-07-03 15:17 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2016-07-03 15:42 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-07-04 12:41 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-07-04 14:17 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-07-05 13:32 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-07-05 15:10 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-07-05 17:18 +0200
Re: Is it a lost cause? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-07-05 17:28 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-07-05 18:53 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-07-06 13:11 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-07-06 21:34 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-07-07 12:52 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-07-07 14:45 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-07-07 16:27 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-07-07 11:53 -0400
Re: Is it a lost cause? Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-07-07 17:33 +0200
Re: Is it a lost cause? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-07-07 19:30 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-07-08 12:18 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? pechter@t61.(none) (William Pechter) - 2016-07-07 01:38 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-07-07 13:19 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-07-07 14:22 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-07-04 12:42 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-07-04 22:30 +0200
Re: Is it a lost cause? jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-07-05 13:32 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-07-05 15:25 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-07-06 13:11 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? pechter@t61.(none) (William Pechter) - 2016-07-07 01:51 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-07-07 07:47 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? Anonymous <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2016-07-07 23:41 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? pechter@t61.(none) (William Pechter) - 2016-07-09 00:46 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-07-09 12:51 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2016-07-09 13:05 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-07-09 14:12 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Gordon Henderson <gordon+usenet@drogon.net> - 2016-07-09 14:21 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-07-09 19:35 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Gordon Henderson <gordon+usenet@drogon.net> - 2016-07-09 18:55 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-07-09 10:40 -0400
Re: Is it a lost cause? Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-07-09 09:02 -0700
Re: Is it a lost cause? Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2016-07-09 15:28 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? Gordon Henderson <gordon+usenet@drogon.net> - 2016-07-09 14:13 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-07-09 15:25 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-07-09 16:39 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Richard Ashbery <basura@invalid.addr.uk> - 2016-07-09 16:56 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2016-07-09 16:30 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? Gordon Henderson <gordon+usenet@drogon.net> - 2016-07-09 18:43 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2016-07-09 21:52 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2016-07-09 18:25 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? Gordon Henderson <gordon+usenet@drogon.net> - 2016-07-09 18:53 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2016-07-09 20:55 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-07-10 12:06 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-07-10 14:05 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-07-11 11:32 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-07-11 11:29 -0400
Re: Is it a lost cause? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-07-11 16:57 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-07-11 16:01 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-07-11 17:27 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-07-11 16:46 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-07-11 18:00 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-07-11 18:39 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-07-11 16:44 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-07-11 17:59 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2016-07-12 01:47 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? "A. Dumas" <alexandre@dumas.fr.invalid> - 2016-07-12 20:48 +0200
Re: Is it a lost cause? Gordon Henderson <gordon+usenet@drogon.net> - 2016-07-13 06:34 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2016-07-13 13:34 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? Gordon Henderson <gordon+usenet@drogon.net> - 2016-07-13 15:46 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-07-07 13:23 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-07-05 09:49 -0500
Re: Is it a lost cause? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-07-05 16:04 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-07-05 17:20 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-07-05 16:43 +0200
Re: Is it a lost cause? cb@elaine.df.lth.se (Christian Brunschen) - 2016-07-05 19:30 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-07-05 20:32 -0400
Re: Is it a lost cause? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-07-05 17:19 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? pechter@t61.(none) (William Pechter) - 2016-07-07 01:48 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-07-07 12:52 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-07-07 15:30 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-07-07 17:36 +0200
Re: Is it a lost cause? pechter@t61.(none) (William Pechter) - 2016-07-08 20:43 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-07-09 14:18 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? antispam@math.uni.wroc.pl - 2016-07-06 00:28 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-07-03 17:32 +0200
Re: Is it a lost cause? Dr J R Stockton <reply1600@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2016-07-02 19:20 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Rambo <Rambo@thisaintreal.org> - 2016-06-13 20:07 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-06-13 21:42 +0200
Re: Is it a lost cause? "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-14 08:43 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-14 08:12 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-14 09:17 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-14 08:31 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-14 09:44 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? "Kerr Mudd-John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2016-06-13 21:25 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-14 08:44 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-06-13 20:29 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-06-13 21:48 -0400
Re: Is it a lost cause? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-06-14 08:11 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-14 08:49 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-14 08:14 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-14 09:23 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-14 08:33 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-14 09:46 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-14 10:22 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-14 11:36 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-06-14 12:01 +0100
OT was Re: Is it a lost cause? "Kerr Mudd-John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2016-06-14 12:09 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-06-14 11:59 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-06-14 12:30 -0400
Re: Is it a lost cause? "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-14 18:21 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-06-14 19:51 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-06-14 15:24 -0700
Re: Is it a lost cause? Folderol <general@musically.me.uk> - 2016-06-14 17:07 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-14 17:14 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-14 16:45 +0200
Re: Is it a lost cause? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-14 20:34 -0400
Re: Is it a lost cause? "A. Dumas" <alexandre@dumas.fr.invalid> - 2016-06-15 11:44 +0200
Re: Is it a lost cause? Rob Morley <nospam@ntlworld.com> - 2016-06-15 17:21 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-15 23:15 -0400
Re: Is it a lost cause? "A. Dumas" <alexandre@dumas.fr.invalid> - 2016-06-16 13:42 +0200
Symbolics [Re: Is it a lost cause?] colonel_hack@yahoo.com - 2016-06-15 17:08 -0700
Re: Is it a lost cause? David Wade <dave.g4ugm@gmail.com> - 2016-06-15 10:05 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-15 09:10 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-15 10:29 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-15 09:41 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-15 10:42 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-15 11:29 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-14 08:47 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-14 06:24 -0400
Re: Is it a lost cause? "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-14 11:37 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Rob Morley <nospam@ntlworld.com> - 2016-06-14 13:42 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-06-14 13:53 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-14 15:20 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Brian Reay <no.sp@m.com> - 2016-06-14 08:35 -0700
Re: Is it a lost cause? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-06-14 11:45 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-14 15:18 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-06-14 15:57 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-14 16:03 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-06-14 16:10 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-06-14 15:36 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-14 16:40 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-14 20:02 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-06-14 21:13 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-14 20:59 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-06-14 22:19 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-14 21:58 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-06-14 23:15 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-14 23:23 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? "Kerr Mudd-John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2016-06-15 10:01 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-15 10:40 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? "Kerr Mudd-John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2016-06-15 12:19 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-15 16:37 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-06-15 11:39 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-14 16:10 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-06-14 16:19 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-06-14 15:39 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-06-14 13:53 -0400
Re: Is it a lost cause? Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2016-06-14 18:17 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? Tauno Voipio <tauno.voipio@notused.fi.invalid> - 2016-06-14 21:50 +0300
Re: Is it a lost cause? Gordon Levi <gordon@address.invalid> - 2016-06-15 01:59 +1000
Re: Is it a lost cause? "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-14 17:06 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-06-14 19:50 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Gordon Levi <gordon@address.invalid> - 2016-06-15 19:44 +1000
Re: Is it a lost cause? "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-15 10:55 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-06-15 11:49 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-15 11:31 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-15 08:27 -0400
Re: Is it a lost cause? "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-15 16:29 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-15 18:20 +0200
Re: Is it a lost cause? "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-15 16:27 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-06-15 17:18 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-15 20:58 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? AndyW <Andy@nojunqmail.com> - 2016-06-16 07:38 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-06-16 08:59 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-16 11:30 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-16 12:30 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-16 13:34 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Andy Leighton <andyl@azaal.plus.com> - 2016-06-16 07:49 -0500
Re: Is it a lost cause? "Kerr Mudd-John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2016-06-17 12:26 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-17 12:53 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-17 13:06 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-06-17 14:10 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-17 20:11 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Steve Hall <sweet_stevie@invalid.invalid> - 2016-06-17 19:42 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-17 17:04 -0400
Re: Is it a lost cause? "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-17 22:54 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-18 10:48 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-06-18 12:07 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-18 11:16 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-18 12:40 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-18 13:00 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-18 11:49 -0400
Re: Is it a lost cause? "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-18 17:10 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-19 13:31 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-18 12:59 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-06-18 16:05 -0500
Re: Is it a lost cause? Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-06-18 19:04 -0700
Re: Is it a lost cause? Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-06-16 09:37 -0700
Re: Is it a lost cause? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-06-16 14:42 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-06-14 13:55 -0400
Re: Is it a lost cause? Gordon Levi <gordon@address.invalid> - 2016-06-15 20:12 +1000
Re: Is it a lost cause? "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-15 11:18 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Gordon Levi <gordon@address.invalid> - 2016-06-16 01:47 +1000
Re: Is it a lost cause? "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-15 16:53 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-15 22:37 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? "Kerr Mudd-John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2016-06-16 09:49 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-15 13:05 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? David Wade <dave.g4ugm@gmail.com> - 2016-06-15 10:23 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-15 13:05 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? Gordon Levi <gordon@address.invalid> - 2016-06-16 01:55 +1000
Re: Is it a lost cause? jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-16 12:30 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? Gordon Levi <gordon@address.invalid> - 2016-06-18 02:03 +1000
Re: Is it a lost cause? Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-17 16:24 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-06-17 18:53 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-17 17:04 -0400
Re: Is it a lost cause? Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-06-17 20:05 -0700
Re: Is it a lost cause? JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-06-17 12:27 -0500
Re: Is it a lost cause? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-17 17:04 -0400
Re: Is it a lost cause? JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-06-17 16:29 -0500
Re: Is it a lost cause? Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2016-06-17 22:35 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-17 19:54 -0400
Re: Is it a lost cause? Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-18 10:15 +0200
Re: Is it a lost cause? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-06-18 10:32 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-18 12:05 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-06-18 04:52 -0700
Re: Is it a lost cause? "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-18 12:59 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-06-18 17:32 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? cb@elaine.df.lth.se (Christian Brunschen) - 2016-06-18 17:36 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-06-18 09:08 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2016-06-18 12:47 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-06-18 14:26 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-18 13:58 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-18 11:49 -0400
Re: Is it a lost cause? Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2016-06-18 18:52 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-18 17:53 +0200
Re: Is it a lost cause? Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-18 15:37 -0400
Re: Is it a lost cause? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-06-18 16:45 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-18 09:53 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? Folderol <general@musically.me.uk> - 2016-06-18 11:02 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-06-18 11:13 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Coos Haak <chforth@hccnet.nl> - 2016-06-18 15:19 +0200
Re: Is it a lost cause? "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-18 14:35 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? "A. Dumas" <alexandre@dumas.fr.invalid> - 2016-06-18 16:50 +0200
Re: Is it a lost cause? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-06-18 16:58 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? "A. Dumas" <alexandre@dumas.fr.invalid> - 2016-06-18 19:09 +0200
Re: Is it a lost cause? Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-18 13:11 +0200
Re: Is it a lost cause? jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-18 12:59 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? Tauno Voipio <tauno.voipio@notused.fi.invalid> - 2016-06-18 17:13 +0300
Re: Is it a lost cause? Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-18 14:40 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-06-18 16:56 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Tauno Voipio <tauno.voipio@notused.fi.invalid> - 2016-06-18 21:58 +0300
Re: Is it a lost cause? Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-18 10:49 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-06-18 12:03 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-18 11:17 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-06-18 12:25 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-06-18 17:04 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2016-06-18 18:31 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-06-19 18:31 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? Tauno Voipio <tauno.voipio@notused.fi.invalid> - 2016-06-19 21:49 +0300
Re: Is it a lost cause? AndyW <Andy@nojunqmail.com> - 2016-06-20 07:41 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? jeffj@panix.com (Jeff Jonas) - 2016-07-03 05:49 -0400
Re: Is it a lost cause? "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-19 19:54 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-19 19:55 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-19 15:24 -0400
Re: Is it a lost cause? Andy Leighton <andyl@azaal.plus.com> - 2016-06-19 14:13 -0500
Re: Is it a lost cause? Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2016-06-19 22:12 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-19 19:24 -0400
Re: Is it a lost cause? Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-06-20 00:27 -0400
Re: Is it a lost cause? Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2016-06-20 11:25 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? Rob <nomail@example.com> - 2016-06-20 12:10 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2016-06-20 17:24 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-06-20 18:29 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Rob <nomail@example.com> - 2016-06-20 17:57 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-06-20 19:18 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Tauno Voipio <tauno.voipio@notused.fi.invalid> - 2016-06-20 21:18 +0300
Re: Is it a lost cause? Rob <nomail@example.com> - 2016-06-20 18:38 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-20 20:57 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2016-06-20 18:25 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-06-20 20:17 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2016-06-20 19:41 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-06-20 20:52 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Tauno Voipio <tauno.voipio@notused.fi.invalid> - 2016-06-20 23:02 +0300
Re: Is it a lost cause? jeffj@panix.com (Jeff Jonas) - 2016-07-03 06:01 -0400
Re: Is it a lost cause? Charlie <cdknospam@msn.com> - 2016-07-03 13:50 -0400
Re: Is it a lost cause? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-07-03 20:11 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2016-07-03 23:05 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-07-04 07:05 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-07-05 12:56 +0200
Re: Is it a lost cause? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-07-05 12:54 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-07-05 13:14 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-07-05 16:19 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-07-05 16:51 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Charlie <cdknospam@msn.com> - 2016-07-04 01:12 -0400
Re: Is it a lost cause? Rob <nomail@example.com> - 2016-06-20 21:18 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-20 19:04 -0400
Re: Is it a lost cause? Rob <nomail@example.com> - 2016-06-21 06:16 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2016-06-20 20:01 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? Rob Morley <nospam@ntlworld.com> - 2016-06-20 21:29 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-20 13:37 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-06-20 00:29 -0400
Re: Is it a lost cause? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-06-20 06:25 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-20 06:57 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? Tauno Voipio <tauno.voipio@notused.fi.invalid> - 2016-06-20 10:09 +0300
Re: Is it a lost cause? Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-06-20 08:31 -0500
Re: Is it a lost cause? "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-06-20 13:50 -0500
Re: Is it a lost cause? jeffj@panix.com (Jeff Jonas) - 2016-07-03 05:43 -0400
Re: Is it a lost cause? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-07-03 12:07 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-07-03 13:33 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? "A. Dumas" <alexandre@dumas.fr.invalid> - 2016-06-18 10:47 +0200
Re: Is it a lost cause? "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-18 10:38 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-18 18:52 -0400
Re: Is it a lost cause? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-06-19 10:55 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-06-18 15:58 -0500
Re: Is it a lost cause? JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-06-18 15:37 -0500
Re: Is it a lost cause? Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2016-06-18 21:07 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2016-06-17 22:27 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-18 10:06 +0200
Re: Is it a lost cause? Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2016-06-18 12:31 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-18 11:49 -0400
Re: Is it a lost cause? Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2016-06-18 18:17 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-18 18:47 -0400
Re: Is it a lost cause? Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2016-06-19 12:13 +0200
Re: Is it a lost cause? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-19 08:10 -0400
Re: Is it a lost cause? Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-19 10:59 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-06-19 18:13 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2016-06-21 03:09 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? David Wade <dave.g4ugm@gmail.com> - 2016-06-17 19:59 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-17 17:04 -0400
Re: Is it a lost cause? Rob <nomail@example.com> - 2016-06-17 17:40 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-17 17:04 -0400
Re: Is it a lost cause? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-17 22:25 -0400
Re: Is it a lost cause? Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-06-18 10:56 -0400
Re: Is it a lost cause? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-18 19:00 -0400
Re: Is it a lost cause? Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-06-18 19:33 -0400
Re: Is it a lost cause? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-06-19 10:46 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Rob <nomail@example.com> - 2016-06-19 10:51 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-06-19 12:30 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-06-19 13:03 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Rob <nomail@example.com> - 2016-06-19 16:32 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2016-06-19 17:17 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-06-19 18:19 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-06-20 07:53 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Folderol <general@musically.me.uk> - 2016-06-19 18:44 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? mm0fmf <none@invalid.com> - 2016-06-19 21:08 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2016-06-20 11:16 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> - 2016-06-20 15:26 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-06-20 16:44 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2016-06-20 20:07 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-06-19 18:32 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-06-19 19:35 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Rob <nomail@example.com> - 2016-06-19 19:33 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-06-14 12:34 -0400
Re: Is it a lost cause? Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-14 22:12 +0200
Re: Is it a lost cause? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-06-14 21:33 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-06-15 07:23 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-15 13:05 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-06-15 14:15 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-15 16:50 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-14 16:07 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-06-14 15:45 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-14 16:51 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-06-15 07:58 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-15 08:41 +0000
Re: Is it a lost cause? "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-14 08:46 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-14 06:31 -0400
Re: Is it a lost cause? Steve Drain <steve@kappa.me.uk> - 2016-06-15 12:08 +0100
Re: Is it a lost cause? "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-15 16:36 +0100
Re: self-modifying code, Is it a lost cause? Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-07-04 21:31 +0000
Re: self-modifying code, Is it a lost cause? Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2016-07-05 14:16 +0000
Re: self-modifying code, Is it a lost cause? Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-07-05 15:42 +0000
Re: self-modifying code, Is it a lost cause? Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2016-07-05 17:54 +0000
Re: self-modifying code, Is it a lost cause? Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-07-05 18:33 +0000
Re: self-modifying code, Is it a lost cause? Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2016-07-06 01:14 +0000
Re: self-modifying code, Is it a lost cause? Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-07-06 07:19 +0000
Re: self-modifying code, Is it a lost cause? Rob <nomail@example.com> - 2016-07-04 21:42 +0000
Re: stacks, was self-modifying code, Is it a lost cause? Rob <nomail@example.com> - 2016-07-04 21:47 +0000
Re: self-modifying code, Is it a lost cause? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-07-04 17:55 -0400
Re: S/360 stacks, was self-modifying code, Is it a lost cause? John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> - 2016-07-05 02:46 +0000
Re: S/360 stacks, was self-modifying code, Is it a lost cause? David Wade <dave.g4ugm@gmail.com> - 2016-07-05 08:58 +0100
Re: S/360 stacks, was self-modifying code, Is it a lost cause? Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-07-05 07:54 -0700
Re: S/360 stacks, was self-modifying code, Is it a lost cause? Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-07-05 15:43 -0700
Re: S/360 stacks, was self-modifying code, Is it a lost cause? Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-07-05 11:57 -0400
Re: S/360 stacks, was self-modifying code, Is it a lost cause? Rob <nomail@example.com> - 2016-07-05 16:06 +0000
Re: S/360 stacks, was self-modifying code, Is it a lost cause? Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-07-05 14:05 -0400
Re: S/360 stacks, was self-modifying code, Is it a lost cause? Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-07-05 13:24 -0500
Re: S/360 stacks, was self-modifying code, Is it a lost cause? Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-07-05 14:29 -0400
Re: S/360 stacks, was self-modifying code, Is it a lost cause? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-07-05 19:59 +0000
Re: S/360 stacks, was self-modifying code, Is it a lost cause? Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-07-05 18:31 +0000
Re: S/360 stacks, was self-modifying code, Is it a lost cause? Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-07-05 15:32 -0400
Re: S/360 stacks, was self-modifying code, Is it a lost cause? Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-07-05 20:05 +0000
Re: S/360 stacks, was self-modifying code, Is it a lost cause? Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-07-05 22:36 -0400
Re: S/360 stacks, was self-modifying code, Is it a lost cause? Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-07-06 07:14 +0000
Re: S/360 stacks, was self-modifying code, Is it a lost cause? Rob <nomail@example.com> - 2016-07-06 07:59 +0000
Re: S/360 stacks, was self-modifying code, Is it a lost cause? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-07-05 19:59 +0000
Re: S/360 stacks, was self-modifying code, Is it a lost cause? Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-07-05 20:05 +0000
Re: S/360 stacks, was self-modifying code, Is it a lost cause? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-07-05 19:57 +0000
Re: S/360 stacks, was self-modifying code, Is it a lost cause? John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> - 2016-07-05 21:16 +0000
Re: S/360 stacks, was self-modifying code, Is it a lost cause? Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-07-05 15:38 -0700
Re: self-modifying code, Is it a lost cause? Dennis <dennis@none.none> - 2016-07-04 19:55 -0500
Re: self-modifying code, Is it a lost cause? "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-07-05 12:46 -0500
Re: 360 architecture, was self-modifying code, Is it a lost cause? John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> - 2016-07-05 21:11 +0000
Re: self-modifying code, Is it a lost cause? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-07-05 20:32 -0400
Re: self-modifying code, Is it a lost cause? Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-07-06 07:20 +0000
Re: self-modifying code, Is it a lost cause? Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2016-07-05 14:28 +0000
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| From | Gordon Henderson <gordon+usenet@drogon.net> |
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| Date | 2016-07-09 14:21 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nlr19n$qvd$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #12658 |
In article <nlqt7t$4q0$1@news.albasani.net>, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >On 09/07/16 14:05, Martin Gregorie wrote: >> On Sat, 09 Jul 2016 12:51:52 +0100, Andrew Swallow wrote: >> >>> Time someone added a full function BASIC. >>> >> Well, its better than RPG I suppose, and a bit easier to read than FORTH. >> >>> As well as a teaching tool BASIC is useful for debugging algorithms. >>> >> I wouldn't ever teach somebody the program with such an unstructured >> language. Python is a better initial teaching tool and can probably do >> anything to BASIC can, and my preferred languages for sorting out an >> algorithm are C and Java. >> >> But of course ymmv. >> >> >BASIC is ok to start people coding and for very simple jobs. Part of the issue now is that you can't jsut turn a computer on, wait (oh, 0.1 to 0.5 seconds) for the beep then start typing BASIC into it... It has to be booted - from disk/sd/network... then you need to login, run up the GUI (if it doesn't auto start), then work out where to find a terminal emulator utility, or the BASIC interpreter icon in the menus... Then the bell goes and its off to the next clas... This is the same for all everything now - be it Python, Scratch, Java, etc. I think its rather sad, really. I did try an experiment way back to see just how fast I could get my BASIC running on a Pi from boot-time. 5 seconds was the best I could do it in, but you got no network and a read-only filesystem at that point. Gordon
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-07-09 19:35 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <nlrg4m$7nc$1@news.albasani.net> |
| In reply to | #12662 |
On 09/07/16 15:21, Gordon Henderson wrote: > In article <nlqt7t$4q0$1@news.albasani.net>, > The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >> On 09/07/16 14:05, Martin Gregorie wrote: >>> On Sat, 09 Jul 2016 12:51:52 +0100, Andrew Swallow wrote: >>> >>>> Time someone added a full function BASIC. >>>> >>> Well, its better than RPG I suppose, and a bit easier to read than FORTH. >>> >>>> As well as a teaching tool BASIC is useful for debugging algorithms. >>>> >>> I wouldn't ever teach somebody the program with such an unstructured >>> language. Python is a better initial teaching tool and can probably do >>> anything to BASIC can, and my preferred languages for sorting out an >>> algorithm are C and Java. >>> >>> But of course ymmv. >>> >>> >> BASIC is ok to start people coding and for very simple jobs. > > Part of the issue now is that you can't jsut turn a computer on, wait > (oh, 0.1 to 0.5 seconds) for the beep then start typing BASIC into it... > > It has to be booted - from disk/sd/network... then you need to login, > run up the GUI (if it doesn't auto start), then work out where to find > a terminal emulator utility, or the BASIC interpreter icon in the menus... > > Then the bell goes and its off to the next clas... > > This is the same for all everything now - be it Python, Scratch, Java, > etc. > > I think its rather sad, really. > > I did try an experiment way back to see just how fast I could get my BASIC > running on a Pi from boot-time. 5 seconds was the best I could do it in, > but you got no network and a read-only filesystem at that point. > > Gordon > This Linux system boots into full GUI in 8 seconds thanks to SSD...:) -- Those who want slavery should have the grace to name it by its proper name. They must face the full meaning of that which they are advocating or condoning; the full, exact, specific meaning of collectivism, of its logical implications, of the principles upon which it is based, and of the ultimate consequences to which these principles will lead. They must face it, then decide whether this is what they want or not. Ayn Rand.
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| From | Gordon Henderson <gordon+usenet@drogon.net> |
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| Date | 2016-07-09 18:55 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nlrhal$j1d$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #12671 |
In article <nlrg4m$7nc$1@news.albasani.net>, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >On 09/07/16 15:21, Gordon Henderson wrote: >> I did try an experiment way back to see just how fast I could get my BASIC >> running on a Pi from boot-time. 5 seconds was the best I could do it in, >> but you got no network and a read-only filesystem at that point. >> >> Gordon >> >This Linux system boots into full GUI in 8 seconds thanks to SSD...:) Your (desktop?) Linux system might do that today, but the Pi didn't 4 years ago. Gordon
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| From | "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-07-09 10:40 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <MPG.31ead6f5d7d9272398a336@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #12658 |
In article <nlqt7t$4q0$1@news.albasani.net>, tnp@invalid.invalid says... > > On 09/07/16 14:05, Martin Gregorie wrote: > > On Sat, 09 Jul 2016 12:51:52 +0100, Andrew Swallow wrote: > > > >> Time someone added a full function BASIC. > >> > > Well, its better than RPG I suppose, and a bit easier to read than FORTH. > > > >> As well as a teaching tool BASIC is useful for debugging algorithms. > >> > > I wouldn't ever teach somebody the program with such an unstructured > > language. Python is a better initial teaching tool and can probably do > > anything to BASIC can, and my preferred languages for sorting out an > > algorithm are C and Java. > > > > But of course ymmv. > > > > > BASIC is ok to start people coding and for very simple jobs. Have you _looked_ at Visual BASIC? The notion that BASIC can "only do simple jobs" is like the notion that "COBOL is always slow". It is a nice homily that bears little resemblance to reality. If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. In corporate America the only programming languages available to the average person who is not part of the IT department are Visual Basic for Applications, the Windows console command processor, Powershell, and Javascript running in a browser. And people who need to get work done use those and do remarkable things with them.
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| From | Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> |
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| Date | 2016-07-09 09:02 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <87poqmsssy.fsf@garlic.com> |
| In reply to | #12664 |
"J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> writes: > Have you _looked_ at Visual BASIC? The notion that BASIC can "only do > simple jobs" is like the notion that "COBOL is always slow". It is a > nice homily that bears little resemblance to reality. > > If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. In corporate > America the only programming languages available to the average person > who is not part of the IT department are Visual Basic for Applications, > the Windows console command processor, Powershell, and Javascript > running in a browser. And people who need to get work done use those > and do remarkable things with them. 1996 MDC at Moscone ... all the banners said "Internet" ... but the constant refrain was "Preserve Your Investment" ... aka 80s/90s business, safe, closed, local area networks ... with convention of business apps with embedded visual basic that automatigically executed. The network support was extended to network w/o any countermeasures to the wild, anarchy of the internet (and all the automagic visual basic paradigm would continue to exist). Most of the 90s, the majority of internet related exploits was because of various c language related programming bugs ... but by the start of the century ... the automagic execution exploits had increased to match the c language programming bugs past posts about c language bugs/exploits http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subintegrity.html#buffer -- virtualization experience starting Jan1968, online at home since Mar1970
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| From | Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-07-09 15:28 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nlr570$a1j$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #12658 |
On Sat, 09 Jul 2016 14:12:31 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 09/07/16 14:05, Martin Gregorie wrote: >> On Sat, 09 Jul 2016 12:51:52 +0100, Andrew Swallow wrote: >> >>> Time someone added a full function BASIC. >>> >> Well, its better than RPG I suppose, and a bit easier to read than >> FORTH. >> >>> As well as a teaching tool BASIC is useful for debugging algorithms. >>> >> I wouldn't ever teach somebody the program with such an unstructured >> language. Python is a better initial teaching tool and can probably do >> anything to BASIC can, and my preferred languages for sorting out an >> algorithm are C and Java. >> >> But of course ymmv. >> >> > BASIC is ok to start people coding and for very simple jobs. My point is that teaching yourself BASIC is a pretty good way of teaching yourself how to write an unstructured mess while teaching yourself Python will at least give you the basics of structured programming and thus a helping hand toward writing something that you will be able to easily change in a year's time. -- martin@ | Martin Gregorie gregorie. | Essex, UK org |
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| From | Gordon Henderson <gordon+usenet@drogon.net> |
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| Date | 2016-07-09 14:13 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nlr0r6$qvd$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #12656 |
In article <rJCdnTlao4CoeB3KnZ2dnUU78bXNnZ2d@giganews.com>,
Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> wrote:
>Time someone added a full function BASIC.
>
>As well as a teaching tool BASIC is useful for debugging algorithms.
>
>Full function includes MAT instructions, BCD variables, disk handling,
>print formatting and sophisticated string handling. Compiled BASIC can
>CALL libraries written in other languages.
Well....
I wrote a fairly full function BASIC in recent years - it works very well
on the Pi too.
And oddly enough I've just been looking at adding the old MAT operations
into it too.
BCD? No, sorry, but it has all the usual disk stuff. (does anyone
actually use BCD these days?) What sort of "sophisticated string
handling" are you after?
It's interpreted though. Calling programs works, but calling functions
isn't going to happen in it.
I did it for a bit of fun, initially, but people seem to be actually using
it for real world tasks on the Pi - which I find somewhat amusing/astounding
and frightening in roughly equal portions.
There are a lot of people who'll argue that BASIC is a bad language to
start with - they may be right, but lets not forget that Apple and Microsoft
both started with BASIC.. ;-)
As for learning - you only learn as good as your teacher teaches. I think
I had some very good teachers and was "into" a structured approach,
even in the late 70's with the old BASICs on the Apple II and (80's)
BBC Micro all those years back. We didn't have a choice with GOTO - it
had to be used, but with a bit of thought it wasn't that hard to write
a program that was readable that didn't end up like the usual pile of
spaghetti code.
Here's some examples:
Old school:
10 REM TOSS A COIN
20 c = RND (2)
30 IF c = 0 THEN GOTO 100
40 PRINT "Tails"
50 PRINT "Try again ";
60 INPUT t$
70 IF t$ = "y" THEN GOTO 20
80 END
100 PRINT "Heads"
110 GOTO 50
New stuff:
// Flip a coin
cycle
coin = rnd (2) // gives 0 or 1
if coin = 0 then
print "Heads"
else
print "Tails"
endif
print "Try again ";
input try$
repeat until try$ <> "y"
end
some folks might not like it, but I do - that's why I wrote it :-)
I use it myself for various stuff too - had to do some data analysis
recently with data supplied in CSV format - wrote it in my BASIC
and it worked a treat. Now thinking of writing a "split" type
procedure into the language to make splitting a CSV type line
faster - but that might be cheating :-)
But then I've already written it - although it's not that fast: (when
you have 4 files of about a million lines each to process)
// splitCsv:
// Split a single line and fill a global variable with the
// individual components
def proc splitCsvLine (csvLine$)
local t$, q$
local i, length, csv
for i = 0 to 5 cycle
csv$ (i) = ""
repeat
i = 0
length = len (csvLine$)
if length = 0 then endproc
csv = 0
t$ = ""
for i = 0 to length - 1 cycle
q$ = mid$ (csvLine$, i, 1)
if q$ = "," then // Process a comma
csv$ (csv) = t$
csv = csv + 1
t$ = ""
else
t$ = t$ + q$
endif
repeat
csv$ (csv) = t$ // Last one
endproc
Hey ho...
If you have Raspbian on your Pi and it's relatively up to date then you have my
BASIC already installed - try typing:
rtb
in a terminal, or find it via the GUI menu thingy. Latest manual can be found here:
https://unicorn.drogon.net/rtb.pdf
If you don't have it, then: sudo apt-get install rtb
And FYI: rtb is written in C. None of this c++ or pithon nonsense here!
Enjoy,
Gordon
(Punk Rock Programmer - http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b05pnvmh )
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| From | "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-07-09 15:25 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <nlr1gj$t2c$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #12659 |
"Gordon Henderson" <gordon+usenet@drogon.net> wrote in message
news:nlr0r6$qvd$1@dont-email.me...
> In article <rJCdnTlao4CoeB3KnZ2dnUU78bXNnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>
> I wrote a fairly full function BASIC in recent years - it works very well
> on the Pi too.
My first attempts in that area ...
-----ooooo-----
C R A P
*********
Create Rapidly Applications Programs
Copyright (c) 1989 by Gareth Alun Evans
CRAP version 1.00 is my gift to the Human race.
It is in the public domain.
It is given to ALL humans, regardless of sex, colour, race, creed,
religion, place of birth, nationality, place of residence
or any other characteristic.
It may be freely distributed in any country of the world.
Obviously, it may not be sold, because it already belongs to everybody!
(Charges may be levied for copying and distribution, however.)
Your help as a Beta Tester is appreciated.
No money is solicited, so don't send any!
CRAP.DOC
********
This file is the only documentation for the CRAP language. If it is not
enough for you, then regrettably, you are probably too inexperienced a
programmer for the language. (Ye Gods! Abuse, and hardly started!)
To be a successful systems programmer, you need a devious mind! The
name of "CRAP" was therefore, obviously, conceived before the acronym,
"Create Rapidly Applications Programs".
RELEASE NOTES
*************
The CRAP Version 1.0 release consists of the following files:
* CRAP.DOC This documentation file.
* CRAP.COM The interpreter root.
* CRAP.CRP The compiler/linker (used by CRAP.COM).
* BASE.COM The master for creating your .COM programs. This is
automatically invoked when DUMPing.
* LIBRARY.CRP The library procedures, for starting new programs.
Contains the String, I/O, Maths and File routines.
Each new program thus starts with "RESTORE LIBRARY".
INTRODUCTION
************
The CRAP language is based upon both "Forth" and "C". CRAP is reverse
Polish. It eliminates the stack confusion of Forth (SWAP, DUP, DROP,
OVER, etc.) by providing local variables.
The 32k CRAP.CRP is a complete compiler and linker, with the unusual
capability of being able to recreate source files. (Separate source files
can be recreated if vocabularies are used.)
New programs and commands can be entered either from the keyboard or
via batch files. <.SRC> If a source program is in NAME.SRC, then just
type "@ NAME". Batch files can include any commands, including calling
other batch files.
Each program you develop can run stand-alone, or you can revise it
by reloading it into the CRAP compiler. Each program that has been DUMPed
has both a NAME.COM and a NAME.CRP. (Both are needed to run stand alone).
CRAP itself is like this - the compiler/linker has been developed in CRAP.
It is an interesting exercise to load CRAP into itself and look at the
listing - CAUTION - over 50 pages of it, and no way of stopping it!
Thus:
A>crap
CRAP> restore crap
CRAP> list *
(or PLIST * to print, or FLIST fname * to create the source file fname.src )
It is inadvisable to type in new programs from the keyboard. The
inevitable syntax errors are given meaningful error messages, but the whole
of the brick currently being entered is lost. So - use batch files, prepared
off-line by your editor.
There is no limit on program size. Array size should not exceed
32000 (integers) (equivalent to 64000 bytes, not quite 65536). CRAP is free
format (spaces are necessary). Thus the above could be "restore crap list
*".
Warning - if you do not type in enough parameters, CRAP keeps prompting
you ( spaces and returns are ignored):
CRAP> restore
CRAP>
CRAP>
CRAP>
CRAP> crap
CRAP> list
CRAP>
CRAP>
CRAP> *
If you think you might have got into this situation, try typing the
Software Scream, "aargh".
Program procedure bricks can be entered without any formatting. CRAP
will still list them out structured and indented neatly.
GETTING STARTED
***************
At the MS-DOS prompt, type "CRAP".
A>CRAP
This brings up the CRAP compiler with its own prompt.
CRAP>
Load in the binary dump of the libraries.
CRAP> restore library
Define your initial vocabulary.
CRAP> : vocab vnew
Enter this simple program (EXACTLY as shown).
N.B. All spaces are needed in the second line.
CRAP> : proc firstprocedure
CRAP> " Hello World!\0A\0D " console call
CRAP> ;
Link firstprocedure as the start of your program.
CRAP> link firstprocedure
Create stand alone version.
CRAP> dump myprog
Quit back to MS-DOS
CRAP> quit
Now run and see what happens!
A>myprog
Now, lets grow it a bit.
A>CRAP
CRAP> restore myprog
Enter this second bit of program
CRAP> : vocab vnew
CRAP> : proc secondprocedure
CRAP> lint counter
CRAP> 10 I> counter
CRAP> loop
CRAP> counter 0 = until
CRAP> firstprocedure call
CRAP> counter 1 - I> counter
CRAP> repeat
CRAP> ;
Link secondprocedure as the start of your program.
CRAP> link secondprocedure
Create stand alone version.
CRAP> dump myother
Quit back to MS-DOS
CRAP> quit
Now run and see what happens!
A>myother
VOCABULARIES
************
Each "bit" of CRAP is called a BRICK. Bricks are contained in
VOCABULARIES. Vocabularies are the means to recreate separate source files.
Eg., If you look at CRAP itself, type "flist strings crapstrg". This
will create a batch/source file called "STRINGS.SRC", containing the
strings library, "crapstrg".
(Plist crapstrg prints it, LIST crapstrg displays it)
LIST * lists everything.
LIST vocabname lists all bricks in the vocabulary.
LIST brickname lists a single brick.
So, with CRAP itself, "LIST STRCPY" will list the string copy
procedure brick.
To create a new vocabulary, type ": vocab newname". All subsequent
bricks will then be put into newname.
Note: vocabularies themselves are in the master vocabulary, "GAIA",
named after the ancient Greeks' Earth Mother. GAIA, being a vocabulary
itself, is also included in GAIA! This causes some confusion when
examining the DIRectory, or a LIST *.
If you wish to revert to an earlier vocabulary, type its definition
again, ": vocab oldname". To remind you of the current vocabulary, type
"VOCAB".
All bricks are defined using the colon ":" command:
: vocab vname create new vocabulary, or return to previous.
: int iname create global integer.
: arr aname 50 create global array of 50 integers.
: poi pname create global pointer.
Remember - under the free format rule, the above could have been
entered as:
": vocab vname : int iname : arr aname 50 : poi pname"
To see all the commands, type "HELP".
COMMANDS
********
QUIT Get back to DOS. Also optional on last line of .SRC file.
@ fname Execute batch/source file <.SRC>. Do not type the .SRC.
INFO Print the startup copyright notice.
HELP Brief resume of all the commands.
: bname .. .. Define new brick (more of this later)
DIR Directory of all bricks in their vocabularies.
DUMP fname Produce stand-alone fname.com and fname.crp. (The main
procedure will need to have been LINKed).
FLIST fname bname Create fname.src.
FORGET bname Forget a brick. It won't be listed, and cannot be called.
LINK bname Connect a procedure brick as the outer level of a program.
(It must not need any parameters).
LIST bname List a vocabulary, a brick, or all (*).
NEW Delete the current program, and revert to the minimum,
which is just the GAIA vocabulary.
PLIST bname List to printer.
REM A comment - all text to end of line is ignored.
RESTORE fname Get back a binary DUMP <.CRP> for further development.
RUN Run program from CRAP - needs to have been LINKed.
STACK Debug aid - check before and after RUNning, should be
same.
UNLINK Disconnect, so a program cannot be run.
VOCAB Remind one of the current vocabulary.
AARGH The Software Scream - for tight spots with free format
input.
So, suppose that MYPROG is to have its main procedure replaced, possibly
because of bugs:
CRAP> restore MYPROG Get old binary dump.
CRAP> forget MAIN Lose old definition.
CRAP> @ main Compile new definition.
CRAP> .
CRAP> .
CRAP> .
CRAP> .
CRAP> .
CRAP> .
CRAP> link MAIN Relink for execution.
CRAP> dump MYPROG Save executable version.
Note: The old binary code of MYPROG will still exist as garbage. To get
rid of it, a complete FLIST is necessary, followed by a NEW, and the
appropriate "@"s to recompile. However, for incremental debugging, the
old versions can be carried along, at the expense of a (temporarily)
larger .CRP file.
BRICKS
******
COMMENTS
--------
: comment This is a comment ;
: comment
Here is another comment
;
The semicolon terminates the comment. All bricks have a unique name.
In the first comment, "This" is taken as the name. Therefore, all other
comments must not start with "this"!
INTEGERS 16 bit quantities
--------
: int i1 a variable.
: cint i2 12345 a constant, with its decimal value.
POINTERS Special 32 bit quantities (8086 offset and segment)
--------
: poi p1 a variable.
: cpoi p2 i1 a constant pointer, pointing to i1.
: cpoi p3 strcpy a constant pointer, pointing to the STRCPY
procedure.
For constant pointers, a brick name must be given to point to.
ARRAYS
------
Arrays are arrays of integers. The zeroth element contains the size.
When arrays hold strings, a trailing zero byte is used to terminate, as
in the "C" language. (But because of the zeroth integer, strings start at
the second (0,1,2) byte).
: arr a1 5 a1 contains 6 elements, the zeroth containing 5.
Note: Size is given in decimal.
: carr a2 3 \1234 \0a \0d A constant array.
Size is given in decimal, but each integer (all must be given) is in hex.
Note: If defining a constant array to hold text, the pairs of bytes have to
be
given in reverse order (Most significant first). Thus "ABCD" comes out
as \4241 \4443. (Use strings in procedures - more obvious ).
VOCABULARIES
------------
: vocab v1 all vocabularies go into the GAIA vocabulary.
: endv endv1 end of vocabulary - optional and ignored, because the endv
is produced automatically when the vocabulary is defined.
PROCEDURES
**********
For a better education, list out some of the vocabularies of CRAP
itself.
Procedures are generally reverse polish. It is up to you to keep track
of
the program stack (So, in some ways, CRAP is as much crap as is Forth).
Integers
take 2 bytes, pointers (addresses) take 4 bytes. All procedures return an
answer of one integer on the stack.
Procedures can be passed integer and pointer parameters. These must be
defined first (pints and ppois).
Thus, if a procedure is passed 2 integers, A & B, and 3 pointers, C, D &
E,
: proc newname pint A pint B ppoi C ppoi D ppoi E.
Procedure definitions are terminated by the semicolon ( or can be
aborted
by the Software Scream, "Aargh").
After the parameters come the local integers:
lint X lint Y lint Z
Then the local pointers:
lpoi LP1 lpoi LP2
Then the local arrays:
larr localarrayname 50
Then follows the body of the procedure.
Thus:
: proc pname
<Optional integer parameters - pint>
<Optional pointer parameters - ppoi>
<Optional local integers - lint>
<Optional local pointers - lpoi>
<Optional local arrays - larr>
B O D Y O F P R O C E D U R E
;
COMMENT
------
/* This is a comment */
/* This is another */
/* You should have the idea by now */
CONSTANTS
---------
Decimals 12345 -1 32
Hex \FFFF \0a
Ascii 'A' 'B' ( But use 32 for space)
True (-1, \FFFF) true
False (0) false
String " This is a string "
Note: Spaces are necessary to separate the "s from the string.
String with control codes " Hello World!\0A\0D "
INTEGERS
--------
To read onto stack, just give name, whether local, parameter or global.
To write out from stack, precede name by "I>".
To copy A to B: A I> B
To increment A: A 1 + I> A
To get only the lower byte (Top byte becomes 0), precede by "BYTE":
BYTE A I> B
To set i1 to 3, and then use as answer of procedure:
3 I> i1
i1 answer
POINTERS
-------
As for integers, but use "P>".
To copy P1 to P2:
P1 P> P2
To put address of i1 into P1:
& i1 P> P1
To put the value 1234 in the integer P1 points to:
P1 1234 I=
To put the address of i1 in the pointer that P1 points to:
P1 & i1 P=
To put an ascii character in the byte that P1 points to:
P1 'A' B=
To fetch the integer that P1 points to:
P1 I[]
To fetch the byte that P1 points to:
P1 B[]
To fetch the pointer that P1 points to:
P1 P[]
To increment a pointer by one byte:
++ P1
To decrement a pointer by one byte:
-- P1
ARRAYS
-----
Arrays are used as are pointers. An array can only be accessed by
getting its address (Thus leaving a pointer on the stack):
& arrayname
To point to the 5th byte of an array:
& arrayname 5 b.
To point to the 5th integer of an array:
& arrayname 5 I.
To point to the 5th pointer of an array:
& arrayname 5 P.
Strings execute as though they are arrays, leaving a pointer to the
array size on the stack:
" Hi there! "
PROCEDURES
----------
To call a procedure, just give its name:
procedurename
All procedures return an integer (defaults to zero) which must be used.
To pass to an integer:
procedurename I> i1
For statement level procedure call, ignoring result:
procedurename call
The library procedure, "Console", requires one pointer parameter:
" Hello World!\0d\0a " Console call
Or:
" Hello World!\0d\0a " P> P1
P1 Console call
Indirect procedure call via pointer:
& Console P> P1
" Hello World!\0d\0a " @ P1 call
CODE INSERTS
------------
For religious maniacs only (....God help you!):
code 5 \21 \34 \ff \a9 \21
( Decimal count and hex bytes)
OPERATORS
---------
integer integer +
integer integer -
integer integer *
integer integer /
integer integer % modulo
integer integer mask logical and
integer integer union logical or
integer integer xor logical exclusive or
integer integer shl shift left
integer integer shr shift right
integer integer > greater than
integer integer >= greater or equal
integer integer < less than
integer integer <= less or equal
integer integer = equal
integer integer <> not equal
integer integer and relational and
integer integer or relational or
integer neg negate
integer invert logical not
integer not relational not
STRUCTURES
----------
<expression yielding true> if ... end
<expression yielding true> if ... else ... end
Indefinite loop:
loop ... repeat
Terminating loop:
loop ... <expression yielding true> until ... repeat
Case:
<Expression yielding integer> case
when 1
...
when 2
...
when 3
...
when 10
...
default (if not matched by a when)
...
esac
LIBRARY CONTENTS
****************
The library <LIBRARY.CRP> contains four vocabularies, Crapstrg for
handling
zero terminated strings; Crapmath for integer decimal and hex, both in and
out;
Crapio for console input and output; Crapfile for DOS handle based file
access.
CRAPSTRG
--------
Crapstrg deals with strings, that is arrays which hold ascii bytes, and
which are terminated by a zero byte. In all the string routines, the
parameter
pointers are incremented twice (++ ++) to skip past the zeroth integer
holding the array size.
pointer STRLEN - returns the length of the string.
pointer pointer STRCPY - the first string is copied to the second.
pointer STRCLR - the string is cleared.
pointer pointer STRCMP - returns a -ve integer if first string is shorter,
or alphabetically earlier; 0 if equal;
+ve if longer or later.
integer TOUPPER - If integer is lower case ascii, converts to upper.
pointer pointer STRCMPL - As STRCMP, but ignore case of letters.
integer pointer STRAPP - Add the character to the string.
pointer pointer STRCAT - Catenate the first string to the second.
pointer SPACE - Add a space to end of string.
pointer CRLF - Add return-line feed to end of string.
CRAPMATH
--------
Crapmath deals with hex and decimal numbers, inputting from and
outputting to strings.
pointer pointer INDEC - The first pointer is a string containing ascii.
The
second is a pointer to an integer to take the
result.
Returns zero if conversion successful, -1
otherwise.
The number can be preceded by '-' for negative.
pointer pointer INHEX - As INDEC, but for hex number. The first ascii char
must be '\', as CRAP hex convention.
integer HEXDIG - Converts integer in range 0 - 15 to hex ascii
digit.
integer pointer HEXBYTE - Integer is two hex digits. Appends to end of
string.
integer pointer OUTHEX - Integer is four hex digits. Appends to end of
string.
integer pointer OUTDEC - Integer is decimal number, may be negative.
Converts
to ascii and appends to end of string.
pointer NULLPTR - Returns true if pointer is zero, false otherwise.
pointer pointer CMPPTR - Compares two pointers. Returns -ve, 0, or +ve
result
depending upon relationship of first to second.
CRAPIO
------
Crapio supports input and output to the console.
pointer CONSOLE - Prints string on console. NB. Max of 300 chars.
KBHIT - Returns true if character waiting at keyboard.
Returns false if nothing has been typed.
GETCH - Waits for key to be typed, and returns it.
Character is not echoed.
GETCHE - As GETCH, but also echoes character.
integer OUTCH - Prints character on display.
integer PRINTCH - Prints character on printer.
pointer READLN - Gets whole line from keyboard. Takes maximum of
80 characters. Pointer must be to array of
41 or greater.
EHWHAT - Trivial error message given.
STKCHK - Stack Check. Prints value of stack pointer. Is
debugging aid. Stack should be the same from
same
point in program.
CRAPFILE
--------
Crapfile provides file handling according to MS-DOS file handle
conventions.
pointer FOPENR - String is file name. Opens for read. Returns file
handle (0 upwards), -1 if error.
pointer FOPENW - Opens for write, else same as FOPENR.
pointer FCREATE - Creates file if not existing, else as FOPENW.
integer FCLOSE - Integer is file handle to be closed.
integer pointer FGETC - Integer is file handle, reads one byte. Returns
-1 if error, 0 if end of file, 1 if byte read ok.
Puts the byte wherever the pointer points to.
integer pointer FGETLN - Integer is file handle, pointer is to buffer.
Reads
whole line up to carriage return. Pointer points
to conventional array, into which is put string.
Returns -1 if error, 0 if end of file, else 1.
integer pointer FPUTC - Integer is file handle, pointer points to a byte.
Writes that byte to file. Returns -1 if error,
0 if disk full, else 1.
integer integer pointer FGETBUF
- First integer is file handle, second is maximum
length, third is pointer to where to read the
data.
THIS IS NOT AN ARRAY, the "zeroth" integer
is overwritten by data from disk. Returns -1 if
error, 0 if end of file, else number of bytes
actually read.
integer integer pointer FPUTBUF
- First integer is file handle, second is number of
bytes to write. Pointer is to block of data to
write. Returns -1 if error, 0 disk full, else
number
of bytes written.
integer integer FSEEK - First integer is file handle, second is desired
position in file (0 means first byte). Moves to
that
place in the file. Returns -1 if error, 0 if
successfully moved.
pointer BIGCONSOLE
- Pointer is to string of unlimited length. Prints
message on console. (Actually is FPUTBUF
to file handle 1)
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| From | Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> |
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| Date | 2016-07-09 16:39 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <s5Sdnaaa4MbuhxzKnZ2dnUU78XvNnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #12659 |
On 09/07/2016 15:13, Gordon Henderson wrote: > In article <rJCdnTlao4CoeB3KnZ2dnUU78bXNnZ2d@giganews.com>, > Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> wrote: > >> Time someone added a full function BASIC. >> >> As well as a teaching tool BASIC is useful for debugging algorithms. >> >> Full function includes MAT instructions, BCD variables, disk handling, >> print formatting and sophisticated string handling. Compiled BASIC can >> CALL libraries written in other languages. > > Well.... > > I wrote a fairly full function BASIC in recent years - it works very well > on the Pi too. > > And oddly enough I've just been looking at adding the old MAT operations > into it too. > > BCD? No, sorry, but it has all the usual disk stuff. (does anyone > actually use BCD these days?) What sort of "sophisticated string > handling" are you after? > BCD is useful for accounting applications. When calculating money in trillions you need at least 15 significant figures, including the cents. String handling - read, write, print, assign, arrays, convert to/from number formats, extract character, insert character, insert substring, append character, append second string, search string for second string, extract substring, compare strings including constants, strip trailing spaces. Open and close string filename. All the thing you do with strings when writing a compiler or text processing program. > It's interpreted though. Calling programs works, but calling functions > isn't going to happen in it. > BASIC can handle 20 page programs but ensuring you do not use the same variable name for two different things get harder. > I did it for a bit of fun, initially, but people seem to be actually using > it for real world tasks on the Pi - which I find somewhat amusing/astounding > and frightening in roughly equal portions. > > There are a lot of people who'll argue that BASIC is a bad language to > start with - they may be right, but lets not forget that Apple and Microsoft > both started with BASIC.. ;-) > You do need structures like IF ... THEN ... ELSEIF ... ELSEIF ... ELSE ... ENDIF same for loops and end of file. > As for learning - you only learn as good as your teacher teaches. I think > I had some very good teachers and was "into" a structured approach, > even in the late 70's with the old BASICs on the Apple II and (80's) > BBC Micro all those years back. We didn't have a choice with GOTO - it > had to be used, but with a bit of thought it wasn't that hard to write > a program that was readable that didn't end up like the usual pile of > spaghetti code. > > Here's some examples: > > Old school: > > 10 REM TOSS A COIN > 20 c = RND (2) > 30 IF c = 0 THEN GOTO 100 > 40 PRINT "Tails" > 50 PRINT "Try again "; > 60 INPUT t$ > 70 IF t$ = "y" THEN GOTO 20 > 80 END > 100 PRINT "Heads" > 110 GOTO 50 > > New stuff: > > // Flip a coin > > cycle > coin = rnd (2) // gives 0 or 1 > > if coin = 0 then > print "Heads" > else > print "Tails" > endif > > print "Try again "; > input try$ > repeat until try$ <> "y" > end > > some folks might not like it, but I do - that's why I wrote it :-) > > I use it myself for various stuff too - had to do some data analysis > recently with data supplied in CSV format - wrote it in my BASIC > and it worked a treat. Now thinking of writing a "split" type > procedure into the language to make splitting a CSV type line > faster - but that might be cheating :-) > > But then I've already written it - although it's not that fast: (when > you have 4 files of about a million lines each to process) > > // splitCsv: > // Split a single line and fill a global variable with the > // individual components > > def proc splitCsvLine (csvLine$) > > local t$, q$ > local i, length, csv > > for i = 0 to 5 cycle > csv$ (i) = "" > repeat > > i = 0 > > length = len (csvLine$) > if length = 0 then endproc > > csv = 0 > t$ = "" > for i = 0 to length - 1 cycle > q$ = mid$ (csvLine$, i, 1) > > if q$ = "," then // Process a comma > csv$ (csv) = t$ > csv = csv + 1 > t$ = "" > else > t$ = t$ + q$ > endif > > repeat > > csv$ (csv) = t$ // Last one > > endproc > > Hey ho... > > If you have Raspbian on your Pi and it's relatively up to date then you have my > BASIC already installed - try typing: > > rtb > > in a terminal, or find it via the GUI menu thingy. Latest manual can be found here: > > https://unicorn.drogon.net/rtb.pdf > > If you don't have it, then: sudo apt-get install rtb > > And FYI: rtb is written in C. None of this c++ or pithon nonsense here! > > Enjoy, > > Gordon > (Punk Rock Programmer - http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b05pnvmh ) > Good.
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| From | Richard Ashbery <basura@invalid.addr.uk> |
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| Date | 2016-07-09 16:56 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <559d095e7bbasura@invalid.addr.uk> |
| In reply to | #12659 |
In article <nlr0r6$qvd$1@dont-email.me>, Gordon Henderson <gordon+usenet@drogon.net> wrote: > Old school: > 10 REM TOSS A COIN > 20 c = RND (2) > 30 IF c = 0 THEN GOTO 100 > 40 PRINT "Tails" > 50 PRINT "Try again "; > 60 INPUT t$ > 70 IF t$ = "y" THEN GOTO 20 > 80 END > 100 PRINT "Heads" > 110 GOTO 50 BASIC programs using GOTOs has been largely discredited and as you know went out with the arc. One of the main reasons is that code modifications often necessitate renumbering which is a nightmare when many GOTOs are used. Procedural constructs (PROC-ENDPROC) also make programming significantly easier to follow making line numbering unnecessary. Using a simple REPEAT-UNTIL loop the whole program can be done in 6 lines without a single GOTO and no line numbers. REM TOSS A COIN REPEAT c = RND(2) IF c = 1 THEN PRINT "Heads" ELSE PRINT "Tails" INPUT "Try again";t$ UNTIL t$ = "n" Richard
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| From | Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-07-09 16:30 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nlr8r8$a1j$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #12659 |
On Sat, 09 Jul 2016 14:13:58 +0000, Gordon Henderson wrote:
Snip stuff about what looks like a nice, scripted programming language,
though somewhat removed from traditional BASICs!
I've just installed it on my old RPi B+ for later investigation by using:
$ sudo apt-get install rtb
which did the trick and also added the libsdl-sound1.2 and wiringpi
packages. I'm pleased to be handed the latter as I think I may need it
soon.
rtb basically 'just works' despite me running my RPi headless. The only
problem is that at first it said:
Unable to initalise the sound system: Mixer not built with MP3 support
but adding the -s option fixed that.
Out of sheer curiosity, did you write the parser by hand or did you use
lex+bison?
> I use it myself for various stuff too - had to do some data analysis
> recently with data supplied in CSV format - wrote it in my BASIC and it
> worked a treat. Now thinking of writing a "split" type procedure into
> the language to make splitting a CSV type line faster - but that might
> be cheating :-)
>
> But then I've already written it - although it's not that fast: (when
> you have 4 files of about a million lines each to process)
>
To me that's a job for awk, a UNIX utility that's been around forever,
and is commendably fast.
By default, awk reads all the lines in a file, splitting them into fields
(whitespace is the default field delimiter, so the default to to convert
the line into a list of words) and then uses regular expression patterns
that apply 'actions' to the lines that match. It also has two special
patterns, BEGIN and END that trigger actions at the start and end of a run
Suppose you have a CSV file in which lines containing the word 'Amount'
at the start of the line have an amount in the 5th field that you need to
add up, this would do it:
BEGIN { FS="," }
/Amount/ { total=total+$5 }
END { printf("Total amount: %6.2f\n", total) }
where:
- FS="," set the field separator to a comma
- /Amount/ is the pattern runs the associated action on that line
- actions are written after the triggering pattern and
enclosed in curly brackets
- $5 is the 5th field on the line
- the print format uses 'f' to print a decimal amount
- the 'total' variable was initialised to zero by default
awk is a standard Linux utility, and so is included in every RPi.
--
martin@ | Martin Gregorie
gregorie. | Essex, UK
org |
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| From | Gordon Henderson <gordon+usenet@drogon.net> |
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| Date | 2016-07-09 18:43 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nlrgk5$isp$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #12669 |
In article <nlr8r8$a1j$2@dont-email.me>, Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> wrote: >On Sat, 09 Jul 2016 14:13:58 +0000, Gordon Henderson wrote: > >Snip stuff about what looks like a nice, scripted programming language, >though somewhat removed from traditional BASICs! > >I've just installed it on my old RPi B+ for later investigation by using: > >$ sudo apt-get install rtb > >which did the trick and also added the libsdl-sound1.2 and wiringpi >packages. I'm pleased to be handed the latter as I think I may need it >soon. > >rtb basically 'just works' despite me running my RPi headless. The only >problem is that at first it said: > >Unable to initalise the sound system: Mixer not built with MP3 support > >but adding the -s option fixed that. I'm curios about that.. wonder why... >Out of sheer curiosity, did you write the parser by hand or did you use >lex+bison? By hand and I admit its not my finest bit of work, nor an area I have expertiese in, but it works... >> I use it myself for various stuff too - had to do some data analysis >> recently with data supplied in CSV format - wrote it in my BASIC and it >> worked a treat. Now thinking of writing a "split" type procedure into >> the language to make splitting a CSV type line faster - but that might >> be cheating :-) >> >> But then I've already written it - although it's not that fast: (when >> you have 4 files of about a million lines each to process) >> >To me that's a job for awk, a UNIX utility that's been around forever, >and is commendably fast. Yes, I know and have used awk... However not for about 20 years now... The problem here is that I have 4 or 5 files of what amounts to coordinates and data pertaining to those coordinates. I have to scale the coordinates to bigger squares and and count stuff inside the bigger range and output a file with the larger squares, counts of the stuff inside them and some other stats. It just seemed easier... You might want to see: https://unicorn.drogon.net/snake.rtb to amuse you for a few moments... :) Cheers, Gordon
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| From | Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-07-09 21:52 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nlrrmu$66o$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #12672 |
On Sat, 09 Jul 2016 18:43:17 +0000, Gordon Henderson wrote: > In article <nlr8r8$a1j$2@dont-email.me>, > Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> wrote: >>rtb basically 'just works' despite me running my RPi headless. The only >>problem is that at first it said: >> >>Unable to initalise the sound system: Mixer not built with MP3 support >> >>but adding the -s option fixed that. > > I'm curios about that.. wonder why... > Can't help, I'm afraid since I've never tried to extract sound from my RPi. > Yes, I know and have used awk... However not for about 20 years now... > The problem here is that I have 4 or 5 files of what amounts to > coordinates and data pertaining to those coordinates. I have to scale > the coordinates to bigger squares and and count stuff inside the bigger > range and output a file with the larger squares, counts of the stuff > inside them and some other stats. It just seemed easier... > Yes, that sounds like something I might also do in C or Java. -- martin@ | Martin Gregorie gregorie. | Essex, UK org |
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| From | alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> |
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| Date | 2016-07-09 18:25 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ykbgz.572900$H_.155836@fx36.am4> |
| In reply to | #12659 |
On Sat, 09 Jul 2016 14:13:58 +0000, Gordon Henderson wrote: > > If you don't have it, then: sudo apt-get install rtb > > And FYI: rtb is written in C. None of this c++ or pithon nonsense here! > > Enjoy, > > Gordon (Punk Rock Programmer - http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b05pnvmh > ) I got he following msg when I installed it "Changing RTB to Setuid-Root for GPIO access" I don't like this. 1) I may not be accessing GPOI, I dont' want applications having root access unless I specificity request it. 2) If I understand correctly root permissions is no-longer required to access GPIO anyway -- The superior man understands what is right; the inferior man understands what will sell. -- Confucius
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| From | Gordon Henderson <gordon+usenet@drogon.net> |
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| Date | 2016-07-09 18:53 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nlrh7q$j1d$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #12670 |
In article <ykbgz.572900$H_.155836@fx36.am4>,
alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>On Sat, 09 Jul 2016 14:13:58 +0000, Gordon Henderson wrote:
>>
>> If you don't have it, then: sudo apt-get install rtb
>>
>> And FYI: rtb is written in C. None of this c++ or pithon nonsense here!
>>
>> Enjoy,
>>
>> Gordon (Punk Rock Programmer - http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b05pnvmh
>> )
>
>I got he following msg when I installed it
>
>"Changing RTB to Setuid-Root for GPIO access"
>
>I don't like this.
>
>1) I may not be accessing GPOI, I dont' want applications having root
>access unless I specificity request it.
>
>2) If I understand correctly root permissions is no-longer required to
>access GPIO anyway
That package of RTB was made before the newer /dev/gpiomem interface was
added into the kernel and you're right - it's not the best thing to do,
however RTB drops root privs. immediately after initialising wiringPi
which is essentially the first thing it does in main() after getopt.
It needs to do the getopt thing to work out what way to initialise
wiringPi - BCM pins, board pins or wiringPi pins.
After that it's running as the user that called it, so things like file
access, creation, etc. work as the calling user.
Check this by running it, then typing in:
x = openOut ("/tmp/testfile1")
then (in another terminal)
ls -l /tmp/testfile
and checking the ownership of the file created.
I'm doing some work on it so will bear that in-mind for the next
time I make a package.
Alternatively, if you remove the set uid bit,
sudo chmod 755 /usr/bin/rtb
it will still work, just not initialise wiringPi for GPIO access.
One thing you can't do with /dev/gpiomem is change the internal
pull up/down resistors, so if you need that, you need root.
Gordon
(Author of wiringPi)
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| From | alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> |
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| Date | 2016-07-09 20:55 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <dxdgz.136466$CF.75576@fx41.am4> |
| In reply to | #12673 |
On Sat, 09 Jul 2016 18:53:46 +0000, Gordon Henderson wrote: > In article <ykbgz.572900$H_.155836@fx36.am4>, > alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> wrote: >>On Sat, 09 Jul 2016 14:13:58 +0000, Gordon Henderson wrote: >>> >>> If you don't have it, then: sudo apt-get install rtb >>> >>> And FYI: rtb is written in C. None of this c++ or pithon nonsense >>> here! >>> >>> Enjoy, >>> >>> Gordon (Punk Rock Programmer - >>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b05pnvmh ) >> >>I got he following msg when I installed it >> >>"Changing RTB to Setuid-Root for GPIO access" >> >>I don't like this. >> >>1) I may not be accessing GPOI, I dont' want applications having root >>access unless I specificity request it. >> >>2) If I understand correctly root permissions is no-longer required to >>access GPIO anyway > > That package of RTB was made before the newer /dev/gpiomem interface was > added into the kernel and you're right - it's not the best thing to do, I Expected that to be the case. > however RTB drops root privs. immediately after initialising wiringPi > which is essentially the first thing it does in main() after getopt. & that seems to reduce the issue considerably (I still have minor concerns but those are founded by a healthy dose of paranoia rather than any reasoned argument). > > I'm doing some work on it so will bear that in-mind for the next time I > make a package. Indeed my comments were meant to be taken constructively. > > Alternatively, if you remove the set uid bit, > > sudo chmod 755 /usr/bin/rtb > > it will still work, just not initialise wiringPi for GPIO access. > > One thing you can't do with /dev/gpiomem is change the internal pull > up/down resistors, so if you need that, you need root. > > Gordon (Author of wiringPi) -- The use of COBOL cripples the mind; its teaching should, therefore, be regarded as a criminal offence. -- Edsger W. Dijkstra, SIGPLAN Notices, Volume 17, Number 5
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| From | jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> |
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| Date | 2016-07-10 12:06 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <PM00053746DFDFC3A1@aca40e54.ipt.aol.com> |
| In reply to | #12659 |
Gordon Henderson wrote: <snip> > > Here's some examples: > > Old school: > > 10 REM TOSS A COIN > 20 c = RND (2) > 30 IF c = 0 THEN GOTO 100 > 40 PRINT "Tails" > 50 PRINT "Try again "; > 60 INPUT t$ > 70 IF t$ = "y" THEN GOTO 20 > 80 END > 100 PRINT "Heads" > 110 GOTO 50 > > New stuff: > > // Flip a coin > > cycle > coin = rnd (2) // gives 0 or 1 > > if coin = 0 then > print "Heads" > else > print "Tails" > endif > > print "Try again "; > input try$ > repeat until try$ <> "y" > end > > some folks might not like it, but I do - that's why I wrote it :-) <snip> Interestingly, I can read the first example quickly; not the second. I spend more time matching lines in the second example. I guess readability depends on experience. /BAH
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| From | Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> |
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| Date | 2016-07-10 14:05 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <Ib6dndJMcIJ92h_KnZ2dnUU78e_NnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #12680 |
On 10/07/2016 13:06, jmfbahciv wrote: > Gordon Henderson wrote: > <snip> > >> >> Here's some examples: >> >> Old school: >> >> 10 REM TOSS A COIN >> 20 c = RND (2) >> 30 IF c = 0 THEN GOTO 100 >> 40 PRINT "Tails" >> 50 PRINT "Try again "; >> 60 INPUT t$ >> 70 IF t$ = "y" THEN GOTO 20 >> 80 END >> 100 PRINT "Heads" >> 110 GOTO 50 >> >> New stuff: >> >> // Flip a coin >> >> cycle >> coin = rnd (2) // gives 0 or 1 >> >> if coin = 0 then >> print "Heads" >> else >> print "Tails" >> endif >> >> print "Try again "; >> input try$ >> repeat until try$ <> "y" >> end >> >> some folks might not like it, but I do - that's why I wrote it :-) > > <snip> > > Interestingly, I can read the first example quickly; not the second. > I spend more time matching lines in the second example. I guess > readability depends on experience. > > /BAH > You have just found the reason that standards manuals limit structured programs to having subroutines no more than 60 lines (=1 page) long whereas GOTO programs can be 20 pages long. My 'END' statements had a comment saying what it was attached to.
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| From | jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> |
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| Date | 2016-07-11 11:32 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <PM0005375A90C376A2@aca40b50.ipt.aol.com> |
| In reply to | #12681 |
Andrew Swallow wrote: > On 10/07/2016 13:06, jmfbahciv wrote: >> Gordon Henderson wrote: >> <snip> >> >>> >>> Here's some examples: >>> >>> Old school: >>> >>> 10 REM TOSS A COIN >>> 20 c = RND (2) >>> 30 IF c = 0 THEN GOTO 100 >>> 40 PRINT "Tails" >>> 50 PRINT "Try again "; >>> 60 INPUT t$ >>> 70 IF t$ = "y" THEN GOTO 20 >>> 80 END >>> 100 PRINT "Heads" >>> 110 GOTO 50 >>> >>> New stuff: >>> >>> // Flip a coin >>> >>> cycle >>> coin = rnd (2) // gives 0 or 1 >>> >>> if coin = 0 then >>> print "Heads" >>> else >>> print "Tails" >>> endif >>> >>> print "Try again "; >>> input try$ >>> repeat until try$ <> "y" >>> end >>> >>> some folks might not like it, but I do - that's why I wrote it :-) >> >> <snip> >> >> Interestingly, I can read the first example quickly; not the second. >> I spend more time matching lines in the second example. I guess >> readability depends on experience. >> >> /BAH >> > > You have just found the reason that standards manuals limit structured > programs to having subroutines no more than 60 lines (=1 page) long > whereas GOTO programs can be 20 pages long. That limit would be a problem in my work world :-) I never had problems reading code which spanned more than one page. My programming style would use dispatch tables when entering a module for the first time. > > My 'END' statements had a comment saying what it was attached to. that's nice if it's kept up to date. In my area, it would be out of date with the third programmer. We would put a stand-alone comment at the end of a logical piece of code to indicate the last page of the routine. After each monitor edit, one of the procedures was to run a TECO macro over the sources to match angle brackets. /BAH
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| From | Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2016-07-11 11:29 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <146725407.489943112.212855.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #12685 |
jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: > Andrew Swallow wrote: >> On 10/07/2016 13:06, jmfbahciv wrote: >>> Gordon Henderson wrote: >>> <snip> >>> >>>> >>>> Here's some examples: >>>> >>>> Old school: >>>> >>>> 10 REM TOSS A COIN >>>> 20 c = RND (2) >>>> 30 IF c = 0 THEN GOTO 100 >>>> 40 PRINT "Tails" >>>> 50 PRINT "Try again "; >>>> 60 INPUT t$ >>>> 70 IF t$ = "y" THEN GOTO 20 >>>> 80 END >>>> 100 PRINT "Heads" >>>> 110 GOTO 50 >>>> >>>> New stuff: >>>> >>>> // Flip a coin >>>> >>>> cycle >>>> coin = rnd (2) // gives 0 or 1 >>>> >>>> if coin = 0 then >>>> print "Heads" >>>> else >>>> print "Tails" >>>> endif >>>> >>>> print "Try again "; >>>> input try$ >>>> repeat until try$ <> "y" >>>> end >>>> >>>> some folks might not like it, but I do - that's why I wrote it :-) >>> >>> <snip> >>> >>> Interestingly, I can read the first example quickly; not the second. >>> I spend more time matching lines in the second example. I guess >>> readability depends on experience. >>> >>> /BAH >>> >> >> You have just found the reason that standards manuals limit structured >> programs to having subroutines no more than 60 lines (=1 page) long >> whereas GOTO programs can be 20 pages long. > > That limit would be a problem in my work world :-) I never had > problems reading code which spanned more than one page. My > programming style would use dispatch tables when entering a > module for the first time. >> >> My 'END' statements had a comment saying what it was attached to. I do this too. Often it's a pain in the neck, but occasionally it's useful. IBM PL/I has a nice "nest" compiler option that prints the containing block and group number for each statement, so you can easily visualize the structure. > > that's nice if it's kept up to date. In my area, it would be out of > date with the third programmer. We would put a stand-alone comment > at the end of a logical piece of code to indicate the last page > of the routine. > > After each monitor edit, one of the procedures was to run a TECO > macro over the sources to match angle brackets. > > /BAH > -- Pete
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