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  Pi/2 removemefirst.Dennis.Ayala@f301.n135.z1.fidonet.org (Dennis Ayala) - 2015-10-23 14:13 +1200
    Re: Pi/2 alister <alister.nospam.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2015-10-23 20:20 +0000
      Pi/2 removemefirst.Dennis.Ayala@f301.n135.z1.fidonet.org (Dennis Ayala) - 2015-10-24 16:27 +1200
      Re: Pi/2 rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-10-29 05:01 -0400
        Re: Pi/2 Folderol <general@musically.me.uk> - 2015-10-29 09:19 +0000
          Re: Pi/2 Rob Morley <nospam@ntlworld.com> - 2015-10-29 16:04 +0000
            Re: Pi/2 Gordon Henderson <gordon+usenet@drogon.net> - 2015-11-01 10:47 +0000
              Re: Pi/2 Gordon Henderson <gordon+usenet@drogon.net> - 2015-11-01 10:50 +0000
          Re: Pi/2 rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-10-29 12:25 -0400
            Re: Pi/2 Folderol <general@musically.me.uk> - 2015-10-29 18:58 +0000
            Re: Pi/2 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-10-29 19:21 +0000
              Re: Pi/2 rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-10-29 15:31 -0400
              Re: Pi/2 Rob <nomail@example.com> - 2015-10-29 21:02 +0000
                Re: Pi/2 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-10-30 07:02 +0000
                  Re: Pi/2 rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-10-30 03:30 -0400
                  Re: Pi/2 Rob <nomail@example.com> - 2015-10-30 08:06 +0000
                    Re: Pi/2 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-10-30 09:23 +0000
                      Re: Pi/2 Rob <nomail@example.com> - 2015-10-30 09:29 +0000
                        Re: Pi/2 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-10-30 12:43 +0000
        Re: Pi/2 stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2015-10-29 10:24 +0000
          Re: Pi/2 rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-10-29 12:21 -0400
            Re: Pi/2 Alan Larsson <abuse@alstown.com> - 2015-10-29 23:11 -0400
              Re: Pi/2 Charlie <cdknospam@msn.com> - 2015-12-13 14:53 -0500

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#9830 — Pi/2

Hello everybody!

I just wanted to say hi. I'm a newbie with Raspberry Pi. I just ordered my 
first device and hoping that it arrives quickly.

Regards,

Dennis

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#9831

On Fri, 23 Oct 2015 14:13:20 +1200, Dennis Ayala wrote:

> Hello everybody!
> 
> I just wanted to say hi. I'm a newbie with Raspberry Pi. I just ordered
> my first device and hoping that it arrives quickly.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Dennis

usually 2 -3 days depending on where you order it
Have fun, Any plans for it yet?


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#9835

   Hello alister!

23 Oct 15 20:20, you wrote to me:

 al> On Fri, 23 Oct 2015 14:13:20 +1200, Dennis Ayala wrote:

 >> Hello everybody!
 >>
 >> I just wanted to say hi. I'm a newbie with Raspberry Pi. I just
 >> ordered my first device and hoping that it arrives quickly.
 >>
 >> Regards,
 >>
 >> Dennis

 al> usually 2 -3 days depending on where you order it
 al> Have fun, Any plans for it yet?

Something BBS/FIDO related. Well see. Depends on the performance.


Dennis

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#9878

On 10/23/2015 4:20 PM, alister wrote:
> On Fri, 23 Oct 2015 14:13:20 +1200, Dennis Ayala wrote:
>
>> Hello everybody!
>>
>> I just wanted to say hi. I'm a newbie with Raspberry Pi. I just ordered
>> my first device and hoping that it arrives quickly.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Dennis
>
> usually 2 -3 days depending on where you order it
> Have fun, Any plans for it yet?

What's the cheapest place to buy an rPi 2 for use in the US?  They seem 
to get marked up about $10 then come with free shipping from China.  Any 
better than $45 delivered?  I'm in no hurry, so slow boat from China is 
fine.

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Rick

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#9879

On Thu, 29 Oct 2015 05:01:53 -0400
rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 10/23/2015 4:20 PM, alister wrote:
> > On Fri, 23 Oct 2015 14:13:20 +1200, Dennis Ayala wrote:
> >
> >> Hello everybody!
> >>
> >> I just wanted to say hi. I'm a newbie with Raspberry Pi. I just ordered
> >> my first device and hoping that it arrives quickly.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Dennis
> >
> > usually 2 -3 days depending on where you order it
> > Have fun, Any plans for it yet?
> 
> What's the cheapest place to buy an rPi 2 for use in the US?  They seem 
> to get marked up about $10 then come with free shipping from China.  Any 
> better than $45 delivered?  I'm in no hurry, so slow boat from China is 
> fine.
> 
Hmmm
Curious that you're getting them from China when 'official' production is in
Wales. Also that's quite a mark-up. I believe Newark is a subsidiary of Element
14 so should be a reliable and reasonably cheap supplier.

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#9895

On Thu, 29 Oct 2015 09:19:07 +0000
Folderol <general@musically.me.uk> wrote:

> Curious that you're getting them from China when 'official'
> production is in Wales.

ISTR there's a licensed manufacturer in China for the Asian market.

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#9933

In article <20151029160418.2fb24327@ntlworld.com>,
Rob Morley  <nospam@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>On Thu, 29 Oct 2015 09:19:07 +0000
>Folderol <general@musically.me.uk> wrote:
>
>> Curious that you're getting them from China when 'official'
>> production is in Wales.
>
>ISTR there's a licensed manufacturer in China for the Asian market.

Egoman. (Who I think are the ones who produced the original batch)
They make Red Pi's for the Asian market - my guess is that it's just too
expensive to ship them from the UK back there... (After all the components
have alredy come from there...)

http://unicorn.drogon.net/redPi.jpg

I guess they're onto Pi v2's now too, but I only have an older v1 (I'm
in the UK)

Gordon

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#9934

In article <n14qks$1u9$1@dont-email.me>,
Gordon Henderson  <gordon+usenet@drogon.net> wrote:
>In article <20151029160418.2fb24327@ntlworld.com>,
>Rob Morley  <nospam@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>On Thu, 29 Oct 2015 09:19:07 +0000
>>Folderol <general@musically.me.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> Curious that you're getting them from China when 'official'
>>> production is in Wales.
>>
>>ISTR there's a licensed manufacturer in China for the Asian market.
>
>Egoman. (Who I think are the ones who produced the original batch)
>They make Red Pi's for the Asian market - my guess is that it's just too
>expensive to ship them from the UK back there... (After all the components
>have alredy come from there...)
>
>http://unicorn.drogon.net/redPi.jpg
>
>I guess they're onto Pi v2's now too, but I only have an older v1 (I'm
>in the UK)

Just to add to this - personally, I'd support a local company, when at
all possible - so if in the US, then Adafruit amongst many others. Yes,
it may cost a but more than importing, but at least you're keeping a
local company going - one that will give you support and that actively
develops products/projects.

Gordon

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#9898

On 10/29/2015 5:19 AM, Folderol wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Oct 2015 05:01:53 -0400
> rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 10/23/2015 4:20 PM, alister wrote:
>>> On Fri, 23 Oct 2015 14:13:20 +1200, Dennis Ayala wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello everybody!
>>>>
>>>> I just wanted to say hi. I'm a newbie with Raspberry Pi. I just ordered
>>>> my first device and hoping that it arrives quickly.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Dennis
>>>
>>> usually 2 -3 days depending on where you order it
>>> Have fun, Any plans for it yet?
>>
>> What's the cheapest place to buy an rPi 2 for use in the US?  They seem
>> to get marked up about $10 then come with free shipping from China.  Any
>> better than $45 delivered?  I'm in no hurry, so slow boat from China is
>> fine.
>>
> Hmmm
> Curious that you're getting them from China when 'official' production is in
> Wales. Also that's quite a mark-up. I believe Newark is a subsidiary of Element
> 14 so should be a reliable and reasonably cheap supplier.

Shipping costs are typically much less from China.  I can buy items for 
$1 shipping included.  I often pay $15 or more for domestic shipping. 
Of course that is the "shipping and handling" many companies charge. 
They put the rPi in a box and pack it in a much larger box with a ton of 
Styrofoam peanuts and ship that when a padded mailing envelope would do.

But if the Asian distributors are tacking on a lot of other costs and 
markup, it ends up being close to a wash.  I thought maybe there were 
channels where I could get one for closer to $35 is all.

-- 

Rick

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#9906

On Thu, 29 Oct 2015 12:25:39 -0400
rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote:

> But if the Asian distributors are tacking on a lot of other costs and 
> markup, it ends up being close to a wash.  I thought maybe there were 
> channels where I could get one for closer to $35 is all.

Got any European relatives wanting to send you a Christmas present :)

-- 
W J G

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#9908

On 29/10/15 16:25, rickman wrote:
> Shipping costs are typically much less from China.

Postal exports are state subsidised.

And in general don't attract customs attention. US companies who deliver 
to Europe via courier ALWAYS get import duty, labour to process customs 
paperwork, and VAT on top of that, added.

Like a $60 order costs around $160 by the time it arrives.


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diverted our attention away from what really matters to our existential 
survival, to indulging in navel gazing and faux moral investigations 
into what the world ought to be, whilst we fail utterly to deal with 
what it actually is.

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#9909

On 10/29/2015 3:21 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 29/10/15 16:25, rickman wrote:
>> Shipping costs are typically much less from China.
>
> Postal exports are state subsidised.

Your point is?

> And in general don't attract customs attention. US companies who deliver
> to Europe via courier ALWAYS get import duty, labour to process customs
> paperwork, and VAT on top of that, added.
>
> Like a $60 order costs around $160 by the time it arrives.
>
>


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Rick

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#9910

The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 29/10/15 16:25, rickman wrote:
>> Shipping costs are typically much less from China.
>
> Postal exports are state subsidised.
>
> And in general don't attract customs attention. US companies who deliver 
> to Europe via courier ALWAYS get import duty, labour to process customs 
> paperwork, and VAT on top of that, added.
>
> Like a $60 order costs around $160 by the time it arrives.

That is bullshit, processing cost is about $15 and tax is about 21%
so a $60 order will be about $88.

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#9916

On 29/10/15 21:02, Rob wrote:
> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> On 29/10/15 16:25, rickman wrote:
>>> Shipping costs are typically much less from China.
>>
>> Postal exports are state subsidised.
>>
>> And in general don't attract customs attention. US companies who deliver
>> to Europe via courier ALWAYS get import duty, labour to process customs
>> paperwork, and VAT on top of that, added.
>>
>> Like a $60 order costs around $160 by the time it arrives.
>
> That is bullshit, processing cost is about $15 and tax is about 21%
> so a $60 order will be about $88.
>
That may be so in the USA, but it aint so in Europe.


-- 
the biggest threat to humanity comes from socialism, which has utterly 
diverted our attention away from what really matters to our existential 
survival, to indulging in navel gazing and faux moral investigations 
into what the world ought to be, whilst we fail utterly to deal with 
what it actually is.

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#9918

On 10/30/2015 3:02 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 29/10/15 21:02, Rob wrote:
>> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>> On 29/10/15 16:25, rickman wrote:
>>>> Shipping costs are typically much less from China.
>>>
>>> Postal exports are state subsidised.
>>>
>>> And in general don't attract customs attention. US companies who deliver
>>> to Europe via courier ALWAYS get import duty, labour to process customs
>>> paperwork, and VAT on top of that, added.
>>>
>>> Like a $60 order costs around $160 by the time it arrives.
>>
>> That is bullshit, processing cost is about $15 and tax is about 21%
>> so a $60 order will be about $88.
>>
> That may be so in the USA, but it aint so in Europe.

Doesn't add cost to shipping in the US.  Customs is part of the federal 
budget.

-- 

Rick

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#9919

The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 29/10/15 21:02, Rob wrote:
>> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>> On 29/10/15 16:25, rickman wrote:
>>>> Shipping costs are typically much less from China.
>>>
>>> Postal exports are state subsidised.
>>>
>>> And in general don't attract customs attention. US companies who deliver
>>> to Europe via courier ALWAYS get import duty, labour to process customs
>>> paperwork, and VAT on top of that, added.
>>>
>>> Like a $60 order costs around $160 by the time it arrives.
>>
>> That is bullshit, processing cost is about $15 and tax is about 21%
>> so a $60 order will be about $88.
>>
> That may be so in the USA, but it aint so in Europe.

This is the situation in the Netherlands.  Which is in Europe.
In other EU countries it is about the same or less (tax is lower than 21%
in some countries).

I don't think you will find many countries where the tax is around 140%
as would be required to arrive at your $160.

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#9921

On 30/10/15 08:06, Rob wrote:
> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> On 29/10/15 21:02, Rob wrote:
>>> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On 29/10/15 16:25, rickman wrote:
>>>>> Shipping costs are typically much less from China.
>>>>
>>>> Postal exports are state subsidised.
>>>>
>>>> And in general don't attract customs attention. US companies who deliver
>>>> to Europe via courier ALWAYS get import duty, labour to process customs
>>>> paperwork, and VAT on top of that, added.
>>>>
>>>> Like a $60 order costs around $160 by the time it arrives.
>>>
>>> That is bullshit, processing cost is about $15 and tax is about 21%
>>> so a $60 order will be about $88.
>>>
>> That may be so in the USA, but it aint so in Europe.
>
> This is the situation in the Netherlands.  Which is in Europe.
> In other EU countries it is about the same or less (tax is lower than 21%
> in some countries).
>
> I don't think you will find many countries where the tax is around 140%
> as would be required to arrive at your $160.
>
It wasn't JUST the tax, it was all the labour charges for 'handling 
customs' etc etc.
So there is product cost.
There is bare shipping cost
There is import duty
There is labour on handling the paper work for processing the import duty.
then there is VAT on the labour used in handling the import duty.

The total makes the final price more than double the actual product 
cost, on some items/quantities.

Whereas importing from China, you get a small amount of postage added, 
and it never goes near customs,. Cos postal services are in general not 
interested in that.

Whereas DHL et al see it as a neat way to increase profits.


-- 
the biggest threat to humanity comes from socialism, which has utterly 
diverted our attention away from what really matters to our existential 
survival, to indulging in navel gazing and faux moral investigations 
into what the world ought to be, whilst we fail utterly to deal with 
what it actually is.

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#9922

The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 30/10/15 08:06, Rob wrote:
>> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>> On 29/10/15 21:02, Rob wrote:
>>>> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> On 29/10/15 16:25, rickman wrote:
>>>>>> Shipping costs are typically much less from China.
>>>>>
>>>>> Postal exports are state subsidised.
>>>>>
>>>>> And in general don't attract customs attention. US companies who deliver
>>>>> to Europe via courier ALWAYS get import duty, labour to process customs
>>>>> paperwork, and VAT on top of that, added.
>>>>>
>>>>> Like a $60 order costs around $160 by the time it arrives.
>>>>
>>>> That is bullshit, processing cost is about $15 and tax is about 21%
>>>> so a $60 order will be about $88.
>>>>
>>> That may be so in the USA, but it aint so in Europe.
>>
>> This is the situation in the Netherlands.  Which is in Europe.
>> In other EU countries it is about the same or less (tax is lower than 21%
>> in some countries).
>>
>> I don't think you will find many countries where the tax is around 140%
>> as would be required to arrive at your $160.
>>
> It wasn't JUST the tax, it was all the labour charges for 'handling 
> customs' etc etc.

Ok that is 13 EURO here, about $15.

> So there is product cost.
> There is bare shipping cost
> There is import duty
> There is labour on handling the paper work for processing the import duty.
> then there is VAT on the labour used in handling the import duty.
>
> The total makes the final price more than double the actual product 
> cost, on some items/quantities.
>
> Whereas importing from China, you get a small amount of postage added, 
> and it never goes near customs,. Cos postal services are in general not 
> interested in that.
>
> Whereas DHL et al see it as a neat way to increase profits.

Ok, you use DHL?
That may explain part of it, their handling cost are way higher than
the handling cost of the post office.

But you can hardly blame that on the customs and taxes...
DHL is for businesses who don't care about cost.

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#9927

On 30/10/15 09:29, Rob wrote:
> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> On 30/10/15 08:06, Rob wrote:
>>> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On 29/10/15 21:02, Rob wrote:
>>>>> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>> On 29/10/15 16:25, rickman wrote:
>>>>>>> Shipping costs are typically much less from China.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Postal exports are state subsidised.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And in general don't attract customs attention. US companies who deliver
>>>>>> to Europe via courier ALWAYS get import duty, labour to process customs
>>>>>> paperwork, and VAT on top of that, added.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Like a $60 order costs around $160 by the time it arrives.
>>>>>
>>>>> That is bullshit, processing cost is about $15 and tax is about 21%
>>>>> so a $60 order will be about $88.
>>>>>
>>>> That may be so in the USA, but it aint so in Europe.
>>>
>>> This is the situation in the Netherlands.  Which is in Europe.
>>> In other EU countries it is about the same or less (tax is lower than 21%
>>> in some countries).
>>>
>>> I don't think you will find many countries where the tax is around 140%
>>> as would be required to arrive at your $160.
>>>
>> It wasn't JUST the tax, it was all the labour charges for 'handling
>> customs' etc etc.
>
> Ok that is 13 EURO here, about $15.
>
>> So there is product cost.
>> There is bare shipping cost
>> There is import duty
>> There is labour on handling the paper work for processing the import duty.
>> then there is VAT on the labour used in handling the import duty.
>>
>> The total makes the final price more than double the actual product
>> cost, on some items/quantities.
>>
>> Whereas importing from China, you get a small amount of postage added,
>> and it never goes near customs,. Cos postal services are in general not
>> interested in that.
>>
>> Whereas DHL et al see it as a neat way to increase profits.
>
> Ok, you use DHL?
> That may explain part of it, their handling cost are way higher than
> the handling cost of the post office.
>
> But you can hardly blame that on the customs and taxes...
> DHL is for businesses who don't care about cost.
>
I didn't use them, the supplier did.

My $100 order became £120


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the biggest threat to humanity comes from socialism, which has utterly 
diverted our attention away from what really matters to our existential 
survival, to indulging in navel gazing and faux moral investigations 
into what the world ought to be, whilst we fail utterly to deal with 
what it actually is.

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#9882

On Thu, 29 Oct 2015 05:01:53 -0400, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote:

>What's the cheapest place to buy an rPi 2 for use in the US?  They seem 
>to get marked up about $10 then come with free shipping from China.  Any 
>better than $45 delivered?  I'm in no hurry, so slow boat from China is 
>fine.

They are mostly made in Wales, so no need for a slow boat. Newark
have them for US$35.

http://www.newark.com/raspberry-pi/raspberrypi-2-modb-1gb/sbc-raspberry-pi-2-model-b-1gb/dp/38Y6467

Stephen


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