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  "UP" An Intel x5-Z8300 board in a Raspberry Pi2 form factor Dave Farrance <DaveFarrance@OMiTTHiSyahooANDTHiS.co.uk> - 2015-10-18 16:35 +0100
    Re: "UP" An Intel x5-Z8300 board in a Raspberry Pi2 form factor Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-10-18 18:33 +0000
      Re: "UP" An Intel x5-Z8300 board in a Raspberry Pi2 form factor mm0fmf <none@mailinator.com> - 2015-10-18 23:12 +0100
      Re: "UP" An Intel x5-Z8300 board in a Raspberry Pi2 form factor Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-18 18:59 -0400
        Re: "UP" An Intel x5-Z8300 board in a Raspberry Pi2 form factor Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-10-19 12:37 +0000
          Re: "UP" An Intel x5-Z8300 board in a Raspberry Pi2 form factor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-10-19 11:36 -0400
          Re: "UP" An Intel x5-Z8300 board in a Raspberry Pi2 form factor mm0fmf <none@mailinator.com> - 2015-10-19 20:29 +0100
            Re: "UP" An Intel x5-Z8300 board in a Raspberry Pi2 form factor Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-10-19 22:17 +0000
      Re: "UP" An Intel x5-Z8300 board in a Raspberry Pi2 form factor Rob Morley <nospam@ntlworld.com> - 2015-10-19 16:25 +0100
        Re: "UP" An Intel x5-Z8300 board in a Raspberry Pi2 form factor Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-10-19 22:21 +0000
          Re: "UP" An Intel x5-Z8300 board in a Raspberry Pi2 form factor Rob Morley <nospam@ntlworld.com> - 2015-10-20 01:14 +0100
    Re: "UP" An Intel x5-Z8300 board in a Raspberry Pi2 form factor "M.O.B. i L." <mobil@orbin.se> - 2015-10-19 21:10 +0200

#9811 — "UP" An Intel x5-Z8300 board in a Raspberry Pi2 form factor

Looks quite interesting, although they are still asking for funding.
(The x5-Z8300 is a new and relatively powerful quad-core Atom CPU for
tablets.) They say they've just got their first engineering test sample
of the "UP", and the photographs do appear to be of a real board.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/802007522/up-intel-x5-z8300-board-in-a-raspberry-pi2-form-fa

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#9812

On Sun, 18 Oct 2015 16:35:31 +0100, Dave Farrance wrote:

> Looks quite interesting, although they are still asking for funding.
> (The x5-Z8300 is a new and relatively powerful quad-core Atom CPU for
> tablets.) They say they've just got their first engineering test sample
> of the "UP", and the photographs do appear to be of a real board.
> 
> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/802007522/up-intel-x5-z8300-board-
in-a-raspberry-pi2-form-fa

As you say, it looks interesting. I didn't notice any power consumption 
figures, though just that it uses a single 5v supply.

Being slightly picky, I'd have preferred an SD card slot or a SATA socket 
to the 16 GB of soldered-on memory: if this card is going to sit on a 
desk as they suggest, it could do with rather more than 16GB of non-
volatile memory. The RTC is a nice touch, though not really necessary. Is 
1GB of RAM enough for Win 10? Not that I care, because if I had one, it 
would be running Linux, though even that a bit more RAM, or the 
possibility of adding it would be nice.


-- 
martin@   | Martin Gregorie
gregorie. | Essex, UK
org       |

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#9813

On 18/10/2015 19:33, Martin Gregorie wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Oct 2015 16:35:31 +0100, Dave Farrance wrote:
>
>> Looks quite interesting, although they are still asking for funding.
>> (The x5-Z8300 is a new and relatively powerful quad-core Atom CPU for
>> tablets.) They say they've just got their first engineering test sample
>> of the "UP", and the photographs do appear to be of a real board.
>>
>> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/802007522/up-intel-x5-z8300-board-
> in-a-raspberry-pi2-form-fa
>
> As you say, it looks interesting. I didn't notice any power consumption
> figures, though just that it uses a single 5v supply.
>
> Being slightly picky, I'd have preferred an SD card slot or a SATA socket
> to the 16 GB of soldered-on memory: if this card is going to sit on a
> desk as they suggest, it could do with rather more than 16GB of non-
> volatile memory. The RTC is a nice touch, though not really necessary. Is
> 1GB of RAM enough for Win 10? Not that I care, because if I had one, it
> would be running Linux, though even that a bit more RAM, or the
> possibility of adding it would be nice.
>
>
The Z8500 family Atoms are designed for things like tablets. I picked up 
a 7in Win8 Bing Edition tablet with one of the these quad core Atoms 
inside. It came with 1GB RAM and 16GB eMMC. It runs Win8 OK, I don't 
like the UI but it is usable with the touch screen. However, it so 
lacking in storage space that running Windows update is painful. But as 
it was £49 then I didn't expect iPad Retina performance.

The devices Intel were offering earlier this year supported either 1GB 
or 2GB of RAM max and all the tablets came with eMMC as the primary 
storage. I bought it because it was so cheap it was worth it to 
experiment with the hardware's potential. I wanted to see how well these 
1.83GHz Atoms worked. I have a dual core HT Atom 330 @ 1.6GHz  based 
mini PC here which runs Linux. The tablet's Atom has significant more 
CPU horsepower than the Atom 330. Also I wanted a small, lightweight 
thing to run SDR# (SDR Sharp) a Windows C# Software Defined Radio 
application and it can do that very well.

I don't have a Pi2 so I haven't compared the Pi2 to the Atom in the 
tablet but I feel the Atom will still have more raw computing power. In 
the end the tablet I have will get flashed with something more useful 
and usable than Win8 Bing Edition.

As for this board on Kickstarter. It looks interesting for updating 
existing Pi projects if you need more CPU or have x86 code to run. I 
admit to only scanning the page about it and didn't see the price. It 
can't be too much because the market is full of cheap hardware. 
Something which caught my eye at the Embedded Linuxcon the other week 
was the Arrow Dragonboard which is a quad core ARM A53 (64bit) based 
system with 1GB DDR, 8GB eMMC, SDcard, USB host x2, USB device, HDMI, 
Adreno graphics core, 802.11bgn, Bluetooth 4 and has integrated 
antennas, Runs Lollipop and Linux and is only $75 retail. That's a lot 
of hardware for not much money.

https://developer.qualcomm.com/hardware/dragonboard-410c

Win10 will probably run in 1GB. Whether it would be as pleasant as 
running it in 4GB is debatable.

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#9814

On Sun, 18 Oct 2015 18:33:42 +0000 (UTC), Martin Gregorie
<martin@address-in-sig.invalid> declaimed the following:

>On Sun, 18 Oct 2015 16:35:31 +0100, Dave Farrance wrote:
>
>> Looks quite interesting, although they are still asking for funding.
>> (The x5-Z8300 is a new and relatively powerful quad-core Atom CPU for
>> tablets.) They say they've just got their first engineering test sample
>> of the "UP", and the photographs do appear to be of a real board.
>> 
>> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/802007522/up-intel-x5-z8300-board-
>in-a-raspberry-pi2-form-fa
>
>As you say, it looks interesting. I didn't notice any power consumption 
>figures, though just that it uses a single 5v supply.
>
>Being slightly picky, I'd have preferred an SD card slot or a SATA socket 

	I could swear the page image showed an SD card slot (along with four
USB host slots and Ethernet).

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	Wulfraed                 Dennis Lee Bieber         AF6VN
    wlfraed@ix.netcom.com    HTTP://wlfraed.home.netcom.com/

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#9815

On Sun, 18 Oct 2015 18:59:51 -0400, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote:

> On Sun, 18 Oct 2015 18:33:42 +0000 (UTC), Martin Gregorie
> <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> declaimed the following:
> 
>>On Sun, 18 Oct 2015 16:35:31 +0100, Dave Farrance wrote:
>>
>>> Looks quite interesting, although they are still asking for funding.
>>> (The x5-Z8300 is a new and relatively powerful quad-core Atom CPU for
>>> tablets.) They say they've just got their first engineering test
>>> sample of the "UP", and the photographs do appear to be of a real
>>> board.
>>> 
>>> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/802007522/up-intel-x5-z8300-
board-
>>in-a-raspberry-pi2-form-fa
>>
>>As you say, it looks interesting. I didn't notice any power consumption
>>figures, though just that it uses a single 5v supply.
>>
>>Being slightly picky, I'd have preferred an SD card slot or a SATA
>>socket
> 
> 	I could swear the page image showed an SD card slot (along with 
four
> USB host slots and Ethernet).

There's a rather flat-looking socket on the bottom surface under one of 
the USB2 socket stacks, but its labelled "USB3" in one picture. There's a 
also a comment elsewhere in the text saying that it can be configured as 
either a 5th USB2 socket or the only USB3 socket. 

That is how they justify the claim of having 5 x USB2 + 1 x USB3 when the 
photos show only 4 obvious USB2 sockets on the top plus the one rather 
indeterminate piece of metal on the bottom. I initially thought the 
photos showed just 4 x USB2 and no USB3. It took some careful reading to 
realise that its only a semi-cheat. There are in fact five USB sockets in 
all but one of them doubles as either USB2 or USB3.


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martin@   | Martin Gregorie
gregorie. | Essex, UK
org       |

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#9817

On 10/19/2015 8:37 AM, Martin Gregorie wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Oct 2015 18:59:51 -0400, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 18 Oct 2015 18:33:42 +0000 (UTC), Martin Gregorie
>> <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> declaimed the following:
>>
>>> On Sun, 18 Oct 2015 16:35:31 +0100, Dave Farrance wrote:
>>>
>>>> Looks quite interesting, although they are still asking for funding.
>>>> (The x5-Z8300 is a new and relatively powerful quad-core Atom CPU for
>>>> tablets.) They say they've just got their first engineering test
>>>> sample of the "UP", and the photographs do appear to be of a real
>>>> board.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/802007522/up-intel-x5-z8300-
> board-
>>> in-a-raspberry-pi2-form-fa
>>>
>>> As you say, it looks interesting. I didn't notice any power consumption
>>> figures, though just that it uses a single 5v supply.
>>>
>>> Being slightly picky, I'd have preferred an SD card slot or a SATA
>>> socket
>>
>> 	I could swear the page image showed an SD card slot (along with
> four
>> USB host slots and Ethernet).
>
> There's a rather flat-looking socket on the bottom surface under one of
> the USB2 socket stacks, but its labelled "USB3" in one picture. There's a
> also a comment elsewhere in the text saying that it can be configured as
> either a 5th USB2 socket or the only USB3 socket.
>
> That is how they justify the claim of having 5 x USB2 + 1 x USB3 when the
> photos show only 4 obvious USB2 sockets on the top plus the one rather
> indeterminate piece of metal on the bottom. I initially thought the
> photos showed just 4 x USB2 and no USB3. It took some careful reading to
> realise that its only a semi-cheat. There are in fact five USB sockets in
> all but one of them doubles as either USB2 or USB3.

I'm holding out for hardware with a type C USB 3.1 connector.  The power 
input should be through a type C connector too and maybe the video.  I'm 
not sure how video over the type C connector is supposed to work.  It 
may be that the connector is the same, but the functionality is still 
special which is not a huge advantage, in fact it can be a bit 
confusing.  But if you don't need the video output it becomes another 
USB port.

-- 

Rick

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#9819

On 19/10/2015 13:37, Martin Gregorie wrote:
>   plus the one rather
> indeterminate piece of metal on the bottom.

Indeterminate to whom? It's a standard USB 3.0 Micro B socket. The 
connector fitted the majority of USB 3.0 low profile devices.

http://img.dxcdn.com/productimages/sku_172255_2.jpg

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#9820

On Mon, 19 Oct 2015 20:29:25 +0100, mm0fmf wrote:

> On 19/10/2015 13:37, Martin Gregorie wrote:
>>   plus the one rather
>> indeterminate piece of metal on the bottom.
> 
> Indeterminate to whom? It's a standard USB 3.0 Micro B socket. 
>
Indeterminate to me: from the photo's viewpoint, looking at its back end 
rather than its socket, I didn't find it at all recognisable. YMMV and 
evidently does.

> The connector fitted the majority of USB 3.0 low profile devices.
> 
> http://img.dxcdn.com/productimages/sku_172255_2.jpg

That's all well and good, but you can't actually see the hole that's 
meant to fit into any of the photos and I've never, AFAICR, handled or 
looked at either one of those plugs or the socket it goes into. Still, at 
least I now know what they look like, i.e. the 5th or 6th different and 
mutually incompatible USB connector. 
 

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martin@   | Martin Gregorie
gregorie. | Essex, UK
org       |

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#9816

On Sun, 18 Oct 2015 18:33:42 +0000 (UTC)
Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> wrote:

> As you say, it looks interesting. I didn't notice any power
> consumption figures, though just that it uses a single 5v supply.

And 2W for the CPU - guess something like 5W before you start adding
USB devices.
> 
> Being slightly picky, I'd have preferred an SD card slot or a SATA
> socket to the 16 GB of soldered-on memory: if this card is going to
> sit on a desk as they suggest, it could do with rather more than 16GB
> of non- volatile memory.

There's USB for external storage if you need it, and proper gigabit
networking.

> The RTC is a nice touch, though not really
> necessary. Is 1GB of RAM enough for Win 10?

The FAQ says 1GB will run 32bit Win10, and they're working on a 2GB
board that will run the 64bit version.  Reckon the 2GB board will run
Win10 32bit quite well.  Although I have an equivalent previous gen
(22nm against 14nm litho) Atom tablet that has faster I/O and video,
which seems a bit odd.

> Not that I care, because
> if I had one, it would be running Linux, though even that a bit more
> RAM, or the possibility of adding it would be nice.

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#9821

On Mon, 19 Oct 2015 16:25:29 +0100, Rob Morley wrote:

> On Sun, 18 Oct 2015 18:33:42 +0000 (UTC)
> Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> The RTC is a nice touch, though not really necessary. Is 1GB of RAM
>> enough for Win 10?
> 
> The FAQ says 1GB will run 32bit Win10, and they're working on a 2GB
> board that will run the 64bit version.  Reckon the 2GB board will run
> Win10 32bit quite well.  Although I have an equivalent previous gen
> (22nm against 14nm litho) Atom tablet that has faster I/O and video,
> which seems a bit odd.
>
Is that a real desktop/laptop Win 10 or one of the lesser tablet/mobile/
IOT Windows 10s?


-- 
martin@   | Martin Gregorie
gregorie. | Essex, UK
org       |

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#9822

On Mon, 19 Oct 2015 22:21:26 +0000 (UTC)
Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> wrote:

> On Mon, 19 Oct 2015 16:25:29 +0100, Rob Morley wrote:
> 
> > On Sun, 18 Oct 2015 18:33:42 +0000 (UTC)
> > Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> wrote:
> > 
> >> The RTC is a nice touch, though not really necessary. Is 1GB of RAM
> >> enough for Win 10?
> > 
> > The FAQ says 1GB will run 32bit Win10, and they're working on a 2GB
> > board that will run the 64bit version.  Reckon the 2GB board will
> > run Win10 32bit quite well.  Although I have an equivalent previous
> > gen (22nm against 14nm litho) Atom tablet that has faster I/O and
> > video, which seems a bit odd.
> >
> Is that a real desktop/laptop Win 10 or one of the lesser
> tablet/mobile/ IOT Windows 10s?
> 
Yes.

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#9818

Den 2015-10-18 kl. 17:35, skrev Dave Farrance:
> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/802007522/up-intel-x5-z8300-board-in-a-raspberry-pi2-form-fa

I don't think it's an advantage with eMMC soldered on. It's also a 
disadvantage that they don't use microUSB for power. Hopefully it can 
use HATs.

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