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  Raspbian Jessie is here Dave Farrance <DaveFarrance@OMiTTHiSyahooANDTHiS.co.uk> - 2015-09-29 18:03 +0100
    Re: Raspbian Jessie is here druck <news@druck.org.uk> - 2015-09-29 21:44 +0100
    Re: Raspbian Jessie is here cl@isbd.net - 2015-09-29 22:50 +0100
      Re: Raspbian Jessie is here The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-09-29 23:45 +0100
        Re: Raspbian Jessie is here cl@isbd.net - 2015-09-30 11:46 +0100
          Re: Raspbian Jessie is here Roger Bell_West <roger+csrp201509@nospam.firedrake.org> - 2015-09-30 11:03 +0000
          Re: Raspbian Jessie is here I R A Darth Aggie <n0b0dy@invalid.invalid> - 2015-09-30 15:46 +0000
          Re: Raspbian Jessie is here ajw99uk <ajw99uk@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-10-02 05:08 -0700
      Re: Raspbian Jessie is here "A. Dumas" <alexandre@dumas.fr.invalid> - 2015-09-30 07:20 +0200
        Re: Raspbian Jessie is here cl@isbd.net - 2015-09-30 11:48 +0100
      Re: Raspbian Jessie is here ray carter <ray@zianet.com> - 2015-09-30 17:20 +0000
        Re: Raspbian Jessie is here Folderol <general@musically.me.uk> - 2015-09-30 18:30 +0100
          Re: Raspbian Jessie is here cl@isbd.net - 2015-10-01 12:54 +0100
            Re: Raspbian Jessie is here ray carter <ray@zianet.com> - 2015-10-01 15:05 +0000
            Re: Raspbian Jessie is here Rob Morley <nospam@ntlworld.com> - 2015-10-02 03:56 +0100
        Re: Raspbian Jessie is here armb@chiark.greenend.org.uk (Alan Braggins) - 2015-10-01 13:36 +0100
          Re: Raspbian Jessie is here Another Dave <dmarsden@nospam.com> - 2015-10-01 20:11 +0100
      Re: Raspbian Jessie is here druck <news@druck.org.uk> - 2015-09-30 20:55 +0100
    Re: Raspbian Jessie is here Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-10-01 20:16 +0000
      Re: Raspbian Jessie is here I R A Darth Aggie <n0b0dy@invalid.invalid> - 2015-10-01 22:34 +0000
        Re: Raspbian Jessie is here Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-10-02 00:01 +0000
          Re: Raspbian Jessie is here ray carter <ray@zianet.com> - 2015-10-02 00:37 +0000
            Re: Raspbian Jessie is here "A. Dumas" <alexandre@dumas.fr.invalid> - 2015-10-02 07:32 +0200
              Re: Raspbian Jessie is here Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-10-02 10:17 +0000
          Re: Raspbian Jessie is here cl@isbd.net - 2015-10-02 10:33 +0100
            Re: Raspbian Jessie is here rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-10-02 13:37 -0400
              Re: Raspbian Jessie is here ray carter <ray@zianet.com> - 2015-10-02 19:10 +0000
                Re: Raspbian Jessie is here rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-10-02 15:19 -0400
                  Re: Raspbian Jessie is here Folderol <general@musically.me.uk> - 2015-10-02 20:56 +0100
                    Re: Raspbian Jessie is here rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-10-02 16:26 -0400
                  Re: Raspbian Jessie is here ray carter <ray@zianet.com> - 2015-10-02 20:24 +0000
              Re: Raspbian Jessie is here The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-10-03 08:53 +0100
                Re: Raspbian Jessie is here rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-10-03 06:21 -0400
                  Re: Raspbian Jessie is here The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-10-03 11:39 +0100
      Re: Raspbian Jessie is here Dom <domafp@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2015-10-02 05:12 +0100
        Re: Raspbian Jessie is here Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-10-02 10:22 +0000

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#9717 — Raspbian Jessie is here

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#9718

On 29/09/2015 18:03, Dave Farrance wrote:
> https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/raspbian-jessie-is-here/

It's been here for sometime. I upgraded in place about 6 months ago, and 
have had no problems. If you have a Pi2, I recommend using the Mate 
desktop as its much nicer than LXDE.

---druck

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#9719

Dave Farrance <DaveFarrance@omitthisyahooandthis.co.uk> wrote:
> https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/raspbian-jessie-is-here/

Excellent!

One question though, will there be a 'server' version or something
similar?  I use my RPis headless and have no need of X or any of the
big new applications like Epiphany or LibreOffice.  Not installing all
the GUI/X stuff will save a lot of space.  However I do want to keep
up with the latest version if possible.


-- 
Chris Green
·

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#9720

On 29/09/15 22:50, cl@isbd.net wrote:
> Dave Farrance <DaveFarrance@omitthisyahooandthis.co.uk> wrote:
>> https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/raspbian-jessie-is-here/
>
> Excellent!
>
> One question though, will there be a 'server' version or something
> similar?  I use my RPis headless and have no need of X or any of the
> big new applications like Epiphany or LibreOffice.  Not installing all
> the GUI/X stuff will save a lot of space.  However I do want to keep
> up with the latest version if possible.
>
>
I am sure once booted you can disable any services you dont need, and 
leave it with just a login shell


Apt-get remove...all the stuff you don't want.

-- 
Global warming is the new Margaret Thatcher. There is no ill in the 
world it's not directly responsible for.

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#9725

The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 29/09/15 22:50, cl@isbd.net wrote:
> > Dave Farrance <DaveFarrance@omitthisyahooandthis.co.uk> wrote:
> >> https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/raspbian-jessie-is-here/
> >
> > Excellent!
> >
> > One question though, will there be a 'server' version or something
> > similar?  I use my RPis headless and have no need of X or any of the
> > big new applications like Epiphany or LibreOffice.  Not installing all
> > the GUI/X stuff will save a lot of space.  However I do want to keep
> > up with the latest version if possible.
> >
> >
> I am sure once booted you can disable any services you dont need, and 
> leave it with just a login shell
> 
Yes, it says that there's an option for that, not a problem.

> 
> Apt-get remove...all the stuff you don't want.
> 
Unfortunately there's not a package called "all the stuff you don't
want", it's non-trivial working it out.

Ubuntu provide two options which would be nice in Raspbian:-

    Ubuntu Server - a non-GUI package aimed at servers (surprise!)
    Minimal CD - A really tiny minimal installation where you select the extras you want

Something like either of these would be really useful.

-- 
Chris Green
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#9727

On 2015-09-30, cl@isbd.net wrote:
>Something like either of these would be really useful.

A "lite" version, with no X or dependencies thereof, is promised in
the comments. With the latest wheezy, I've been purging the really big
obvious stuff:

python3-minecraftpi python-minecraftpi minecraft-pi wolfram-engine
sonic-pi

but dumping X completely would be very welcome.

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#9728

On Wed, 30 Sep 2015 11:46:01 +0100,
cl@isbd.net <cl@isbd.net>, in
<94rsdc-4ll.ln1@esprimo.zbmc.eu> wrote:
>  The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> > On 29/09/15 22:50, cl@isbd.net wrote:

> > Apt-get remove...all the stuff you don't want.
> > 
>  Unfortunately there's not a package called "all the stuff you don't
>  want", it's non-trivial working it out.

Actually, it isn't non-trivial if you hit the big packages.

dpkg -P xserver-xorg

would be a good starting point. That should toast all the X stuff, and
all the stuff dependent on X. That moves you a long way down the field.

Another approach would be to

dpkg -l | grep -i core

and remove the irrelvant core packages that should then remove all the
packages dependent on those.

-- 
Consulting Minister for Consultants, DNRC
I can please only one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow
isn't looking good, either.
I am BOFH. Resistance is futile. Your network will be assimilated.

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#9749

On Wednesday, September 30, 2015 at 11:48:04 AM UTC+1, c...@isbd.net wrote:
> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> > 
> > Apt-get remove...all the stuff you don't want.
> > 
> Unfortunately there's not a package called "all the stuff you don't
> want", it's non-trivial working it out.
> 
Perhaps via "tasksel" as a front end for dpkg? (not used it since Debian 2.2 so I may be mis-remembering, but IIRC it does broad selections of packages suitable for uses as various types of server, desktop, games, etc)

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#9721

On 29-09-15 23:50, cl@isbd.net wrote:
> Dave Farrance <DaveFarrance@omitthisyahooandthis.co.uk> wrote:
>> https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/raspbian-jessie-is-here/
>
> Excellent!
>
> One question though, will there be a 'server' version or something
> similar?

 From the comments on the article: yes.

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#9726

A. Dumas <alexandre@dumas.fr.invalid> wrote:
> On 29-09-15 23:50, cl@isbd.net wrote:
> > Dave Farrance <DaveFarrance@omitthisyahooandthis.co.uk> wrote:
> >> https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/raspbian-jessie-is-here/
> >
> > Excellent!
> >
> > One question though, will there be a 'server' version or something
> > similar?
> 
> From the comments on the article: yes.
> 
Ah yes, lots of other people saying much the same as me and a positive
response saying that a "Raspbian Lite" is in the pipeline.  Good!

-- 
Chris Green
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#9729

On Tue, 29 Sep 2015 22:50:34 +0100, cl wrote:

> Dave Farrance <DaveFarrance@omitthisyahooandthis.co.uk> wrote:
>> https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/raspbian-jessie-is-here/
> 
> Excellent!
> 
> One question though, will there be a 'server' version or something
> similar?  I use my RPis headless and have no need of X or any of the big
> new applications like Epiphany or LibreOffice.  Not installing all the
> GUI/X stuff will save a lot of space.  However I do want to keep up with
> the latest version if possible.

I know that on other architectures, it is possible to install Debian via 
a 'net install'. It works from a small image on flash drive or hard 
drive. During installation, you can choose whether you want a gui desktop 
installed or not. So, you may be able to do a minimal install on the pi - 
I've not explored that possibility though I've done it many times on 
desktop machines.

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#9730

On 30 Sep 2015 17:20:54 GMT
ray carter <ray@zianet.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 29 Sep 2015 22:50:34 +0100, cl wrote:
> 
> > Dave Farrance <DaveFarrance@omitthisyahooandthis.co.uk> wrote:
> >> https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/raspbian-jessie-is-here/
> > 
> > Excellent!
> > 
> > One question though, will there be a 'server' version or something
> > similar?  I use my RPis headless and have no need of X or any of the big
> > new applications like Epiphany or LibreOffice.  Not installing all the
> > GUI/X stuff will save a lot of space.  However I do want to keep up with
> > the latest version if possible.
> 
> I know that on other architectures, it is possible to install Debian via 
> a 'net install'. It works from a small image on flash drive or hard 
> drive. During installation, you can choose whether you want a gui desktop 
> installed or not. So, you may be able to do a minimal install on the pi - 
> I've not explored that possibility though I've done it many times on 
> desktop machines.

Ha!

Beat me to it. I was about to say exactly the same :)

Actually, I use this route even if I *do* want a gui. That way I know what is
being installed.

-- 
W J G

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#9734

Folderol <general@musically.me.uk> wrote:
> On 30 Sep 2015 17:20:54 GMT
> ray carter <ray@zianet.com> wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, 29 Sep 2015 22:50:34 +0100, cl wrote:
> > 
> > > Dave Farrance <DaveFarrance@omitthisyahooandthis.co.uk> wrote:
> > >> https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/raspbian-jessie-is-here/
> > > 
> > > Excellent!
> > > 
> > > One question though, will there be a 'server' version or something
> > > similar?  I use my RPis headless and have no need of X or any of the big
> > > new applications like Epiphany or LibreOffice.  Not installing all the
> > > GUI/X stuff will save a lot of space.  However I do want to keep up with
> > > the latest version if possible.
> > 
> > I know that on other architectures, it is possible to install Debian via 
> > a 'net install'. It works from a small image on flash drive or hard 
> > drive. During installation, you can choose whether you want a gui desktop 
> > installed or not. So, you may be able to do a minimal install on the pi - 
> > I've not explored that possibility though I've done it many times on 
> > desktop machines.
> 
> Ha!
> 
> Beat me to it. I was about to say exactly the same :)
> 
> Actually, I use this route even if I *do* want a gui. That way I know what is
> being installed.
> 
Yes, it's what xubuntu (and presumably other ubuntu versions) calls
the 'minimal/cd install'.

-- 
Chris Green
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#9736

On Thu, 01 Oct 2015 12:54:19 +0100, cl wrote:

> Folderol <general@musically.me.uk> wrote:
>> On 30 Sep 2015 17:20:54 GMT ray carter <ray@zianet.com> wrote:
>> 
>> > On Tue, 29 Sep 2015 22:50:34 +0100, cl wrote:
>> > 
>> > > Dave Farrance <DaveFarrance@omitthisyahooandthis.co.uk> wrote:
>> > >> https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/raspbian-jessie-is-here/
>> > > 
>> > > Excellent!
>> > > 
>> > > One question though, will there be a 'server' version or something
>> > > similar?  I use my RPis headless and have no need of X or any of
>> > > the big new applications like Epiphany or LibreOffice.  Not
>> > > installing all the GUI/X stuff will save a lot of space.  However I
>> > > do want to keep up with the latest version if possible.
>> > 
>> > I know that on other architectures, it is possible to install Debian
>> > via a 'net install'. It works from a small image on flash drive or
>> > hard drive. During installation, you can choose whether you want a
>> > gui desktop installed or not. So, you may be able to do a minimal
>> > install on the pi -
>> > I've not explored that possibility though I've done it many times on
>> > desktop machines.
>> 
>> Ha!
>> 
>> Beat me to it. I was about to say exactly the same :)
>> 
>> Actually, I use this route even if I *do* want a gui. That way I know
>> what is being installed.
>> 
> Yes, it's what xubuntu (and presumably other ubuntu versions) calls the
> 'minimal/cd install'.

The net install is even more minimal than that. It installs from the 
internet - basically it's the installer.

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#9743

On Thu, 1 Oct 2015 12:54:19 +0100
cl@isbd.net wrote:

> Yes, it's what xubuntu (and presumably other ubuntu versions) calls
> the 'minimal/cd install'.
> 
The net install package is a lot smaller than anything that fills a CD,
it's basically a kernel and bootloader with just enough added to be
able to run the installer itself, then it downloads only the packages
you tell it to from the repos.

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#9735

In article <d72jvmF961mU1@mid.individual.net>, ray carter wrote:
>> Dave Farrance <DaveFarrance@omitthisyahooandthis.co.uk> wrote:
>>> https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/raspbian-jessie-is-here/
>> 
>> Excellent!
>> 
>> One question though, will there be a 'server' version or something
>> similar?  I use my RPis headless and have no need of X or any of the big
>> new applications like Epiphany or LibreOffice.  Not installing all the
>> GUI/X stuff will save a lot of space.  However I do want to keep up with
>> the latest version if possible.

https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/raspbian-jessie-is-here/#comment-1245181 says
"It might not be exactly what you're after, but a lite image is coming
 soon. It won’t have any of the bundled additional software, and won't have X.
 You could always build up from there."


>I know that on other architectures, it is possible to install Debian via 
>a 'net install'. It works from a small image on flash drive or hard 
>drive. During installation, you can choose whether you want a gui desktop 
>installed or not. So, you may be able to do a minimal install on the pi - 
>I've not explored that possibility though I've done it many times on 
>desktop machines.

It has been done:
http://www.circuidipity.com/minimal-raspbian-jessie.html
http://www.trueneutral.eu/2015/raspbian-jessie-netinst.html

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#9737

On 01/10/2015 13:36, Alan Braggins wrote:
>
> It has been done:
> http://www.circuidipity.com/minimal-raspbian-jessie.html
> http://www.trueneutral.eu/2015/raspbian-jessie-netinst.html
>

And here:
http://www.htpcguides.com/lightweight-raspbian-distro-minibian-initial-setup/

down at the bottom.

Another Dave

-- 
Change nospam to gmx

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#9731

On 29/09/2015 22:50, cl@isbd.net wrote:
> One question though, will there be a 'server' version or something
> similar?  I use my RPis headless and have no need of X or any of the
> big new applications like Epiphany or LibreOffice.  Not installing all
> the GUI/X stuff will save a lot of space.  However I do want to keep
> up with the latest version if possible.

If you update in place, it will only upgrade the packages which you have 
currently installed. I recommend backing up the entire card before doing 
the upgrade and again after, as it's a fairly lengthy process.

---druck

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#9738

On Tue, 29 Sep 2015 18:03:54 +0100, Dave Farrance wrote:

> https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/raspbian-jessie-is-here/

Thanks for that. 

I've just done an in-situ upgrade of wheezy->jessie(steps 1-5 followed by 
a reboot and installation of rc-gui alacarte, all other stuff ignored 
since I almost never use anything except a command line via SSH to drive 
it) and all is good apart from a couple of small points:

- The upgrade clouted .profile in root (easily fixed by copying the one
  in my usual user and replacing all escaped '\$' ocurrences in the PS1
  strings with '\#'. I much prefer the prompt to be just '$ ' or '# '
  depending on who I'm logged in as and with the current directory shown
  in the console's title bar.

- /etc/sudoers had changed.

Anyway, after fixing those points I rebooted again and ran my usual 
upgrade script, which does this:

  apt-get autoclean
  apt-get dist-upgrade
  apt-get update
  apt-get upgrade
   
It ran as expected, i.e. didn't get anything new, but the initial 
autocleam did throw away a shedload of old packages which reclaimed a 
good 0.8 GB of storage space.

Where did the reboot authentication dialogue come from? Is it part of the 
rc-gui package?

One oddity that I've noticed is that after a a shutdown via 'sudo halt' 
the now RPi stops with the yellow,green,green,red LEDs on and only the 
green activity LED off. All the LEDs are steady except that the green 
alongside the yellow blinks once every 7 or 8 seconds. Before the upgrade 
it used to stop with just the red LED lit. 

This is an RPi 2B. Has anybody else seen this different halting behaviour 
post upgrade?


-- 
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gregorie. | Essex, UK
org       |

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#9740

On Thu, 1 Oct 2015 20:16:01 +0000 (UTC),
Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid>, in
<muk4a0$chh$1@dont-email.me> wrote:
>  On Tue, 29 Sep 2015 18:03:54 +0100, Dave Farrance wrote:
> 
> > https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/raspbian-jessie-is-here/
> 
>  Thanks for that. 
> 
>  I've just done an in-situ upgrade of wheezy->jessie(steps 1-5 followed by 
>  a reboot and installation of rc-gui alacarte, all other stuff ignored 
>  since I almost never use anything except a command line via SSH to drive 
>  it) and all is good apart from a couple of small points:
> 
>  - The upgrade clouted .profile in root (easily fixed by copying the one
>    in my usual user and replacing all escaped '\$' ocurrences in the PS1
>    strings with '\#'. I much prefer the prompt to be just '$ ' or '# '
>    depending on who I'm logged in as and with the current directory shown
>    in the console's title bar.
> 
>  - /etc/sudoers had changed.
> 
>  Anyway, after fixing those points I rebooted again and ran my usual 
>  upgrade script, which does this:
> 
>    apt-get autoclean
>    apt-get dist-upgrade
>    apt-get update
>    apt-get upgrade

Did you do that in that order? in straight debian, I would "update",
"upgrade", then "dist-upgrade". I rarely do autoclean, but that's not
a bad ideal. If you don't need many locales, you may want the
localepurge package to purge non-used locale files from your system.

>  It ran as expected, i.e. didn't get anything new, but the initial 
>  autocleam did throw away a shedload of old packages which reclaimed a 
>  good 0.8 GB of storage space.

That's an astounding amount of stuff!

>  One oddity that I've noticed is that after a a shutdown via 'sudo halt' 
>  the now RPi stops with the yellow,green,green,red LEDs on and only the 
>  green activity LED off. All the LEDs are steady except that the green 
>  alongside the yellow blinks once every 7 or 8 seconds. Before the upgrade 
>  it used to stop with just the red LED lit. 
> 
>  This is an RPi 2B. Has anybody else seen this different halting behaviour 
>  post upgrade?

halt's behaviour seems to have changed. It used to go to a poweroff
state, but now seems to go to everything is stopped but not powered
down.

There are some other commands worth looking at:

poweroff
reboot
shutdown

Depending on the arguments one feeds shutdown, it can power off, halt
or reboot the system. But they're legacy commands for
compatibility. Looks like systemctl is doing the actual work. This is
for a systemd configured Debian, so that may not apply to your
Raspbian.

Scroll down for the poweroff/reboot/shutdown majik:

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Systemd

-- 
Consulting Minister for Consultants, DNRC
I can please only one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow
isn't looking good, either.
I am BOFH. Resistance is futile. Your network will be assimilated.

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