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  Anybody out there? F8BOE <f8boe@bluemail.ch> - 2015-09-16 10:20 +0200
    Re: Anybody out there? Rob <nomail@example.com> - 2015-09-16 08:40 +0000
    Re: Anybody out there? David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> - 2015-09-16 09:51 +0100
      Re: Anybody out there? Dave Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> - 2015-09-16 20:12 +0100
    Re: Anybody out there? Gordon Henderson <gordon+usenet@drogon.net> - 2015-09-16 09:26 +0000
      Re: Anybody out there? alister <alister.nospam.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2015-09-16 11:46 +0000
        Re: Anybody out there? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-09-16 11:18 -0400
          Re: Anybody out there? alister <alister.nospam.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2015-09-16 17:39 +0000
            Re: Anybody out there? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-09-16 13:52 -0400
              Re: Anybody out there? Björn Lundin <b.f.lundin@gmail.com> - 2015-09-16 20:58 +0200
                Re: Anybody out there? Stefan Enzinger <mindoms@aon.at> - 2015-09-18 00:32 +0200
                Re: Anybody out there? druck <news@druck.org.uk> - 2015-09-18 09:30 +0100
    Re: Anybody out there? Tony van der Hoff <tony@vanderhoff.org> - 2015-09-16 14:12 +0200
      Re: Anybody out there? Rob Morley <nospam@ntlworld.com> - 2015-09-16 16:02 +0100
      Re: Anybody out there? mm0fmf <none@mailinator.com> - 2015-09-16 17:58 +0100
        Re: Anybody out there? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-09-16 13:56 -0400
    Re: Anybody out there? Norbert Möndjen <n.moendjen@vodafone.de> - 2015-09-18 19:45 +0200
      Re: Anybody out there? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-09-18 19:31 +0100
        Re: Anybody out there? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-09-18 15:13 -0400
          Re: Anybody out there? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-09-18 22:05 +0100
            Re: Anybody out there? Michael J. Mahon <mjmahon@aol.com> - 2015-09-18 16:49 -0500
            Re: Anybody out there? Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-09-18 22:40 +0000
            Re: Anybody out there? Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-09-18 22:29 -0400
              Re: Anybody out there? David James <david@tcs01.demon.co.uk> - 2015-09-21 23:12 +0000
                Re: Anybody out there? Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-09-21 19:42 -0400
                  Re: Anybody out there? David James <david@tcs01.demon.co.uk> - 2015-09-21 23:53 +0000
          Re: Anybody out there? Michael J. Mahon <mjmahon@aol.com> - 2015-09-18 16:49 -0500
            Re: Anybody out there? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-09-19 11:35 -0400
              Re: Anybody out there? Tauno Voipio <tauno.voipio@notused.fi.invalid> - 2015-09-19 19:51 +0300
                Re: Anybody out there? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-09-19 13:10 -0400
                  Re: Anybody out there? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-09-20 10:07 +0100
              Re: Anybody out there? Gordon Henderson <gordon+usenet@drogon.net> - 2015-09-19 17:37 +0000
                Re: Anybody out there? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-09-19 14:31 -0400
                  Re: Anybody out there? Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-09-19 23:09 -0400
                    Re: Anybody out there? jeffj@panix.com (Jeff Jonas) - 2015-10-11 00:21 -0400
                      Re: Anybody out there? Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-11 12:09 -0400
              Re: Anybody out there? Michael J. Mahon <mjmahon@aol.com> - 2015-09-19 14:35 -0500
              Re: Anybody out there? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-09-20 10:05 +0100
                Re: Anybody out there? mm0fmf <none@mailinator.com> - 2015-09-20 10:56 +0100
                Re: Anybody out there? Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-09-20 10:31 -0400
                  Re: Anybody out there? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-09-20 11:12 -0400
                    Re: Anybody out there? jake <jake@127.0.0.1> - 2015-09-28 18:28 +0100
                      Re: Anybody out there? Alan Adams <alan@adamshome.org.uk> - 2015-09-28 20:33 +0100
                  Re: Anybody out there? Paul <paul@pcserviceselectronics.co.uk> - 2015-09-20 17:15 +0100

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#9638 — Anybody out there?

Hello,

As I didn't want to waste my time with a silly test message on an empty 
forum, I decided to head up finding people who are using these computer 
toys.

I have a RPi2 lying here and doing nothing but taking dust... Many projects 
are described and that's really cool... But as for the OS, sorry, Ubuntu 
Mate is overbloated with useless things, but works out of the box, even WPA 
access to hidden WLAN APs with SSIDs! Openelec and OSmc are unable to 
automatically detect any UPnP/DAAP server (bonjour activated on it) on the 
network, the other 2 ones are only time wasting tricky-tweaky ditros that 
run well on on Intel/AMD based hardware, but only devellopped for ARM V6 and 
not yet for ARM V7...

A little bit frustrating isn't it?

So I hoped getting an easy tune up with Raspbian... Not even able to get the 
USB WLAN dongle that came with the RPi2, work correctly, as it worked out of 
the box under Ubuntu... And to get the full HD video support you have to pay 
extra bucks for the driver??? No sorry that's too much for me. I'm the 
uncomplaining and coolkeeping one but there are limits!!!

OK NAS4Free is a good and simple project to make a little NAS with some 
complementary features, out of a RPi or an ODROID. But don't expect 
lightning performances.

The RPi or even the RPi2 as a full featured computer... You can forget it! 
The RPi2 with Ubuntu Mate is slower than my P III 800MHz 512MB RAM (Dell 
GX110) running Mageia... OK wrong example... Perhaps.

Another way to make it usefull: CUPS printserver, SaneD scanning server.

well let's see...

-- 

Ciao @+

< Sony VGN-FW54M powered by Mageia 4 x86-64 >

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#9639

F8BOE <f8boe@bluemail.ch> wrote:
[useless rant deleted]

> Another way to make it usefull: CUPS printserver, SaneD scanning server.

You can also use it for amateur radio purposes, like amateur radio
networking (AMPRnet/HAMNET), APRS, simple SDR applications, a repeater
controller, a beacon transmitter, etc.

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#9640

On 16/09/2015 09:20, F8BOE wrote:
> Hello,
>
> As I didn't want to waste my time with a silly test message on an empty
> forum, I decided to head up finding people who are using these computer
> toys.
[]
> The RPi or even the RPi2 as a full featured computer... You can forget it!
> The RPi2 with Ubuntu Mate is slower than my P III 800MHz 512MB RAM (Dell
> GX110) running Mageia... OK wrong example... Perhaps.
>
> Another way to make it usefull: CUPS printserver, SaneD scanning server.
>
> well let's see...

I use Raspbian exclusively for the OS (it's designed for thr RPi, after 
all) and I've made a number of projects including using the RTL USB 
sticks for receiving various signal types:

   http://www.satsignal.eu/raspberry-pi/index.html

and for monitoring some central heating.

-- 
Cheers,
David GM8ARV
Web: http://www.satsignal.eu

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#9655

In message <mtbafp$ubh$1@dont-email.me>
          David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> wrote:

>and for monitoring some central heating.

I've got one controlling my central heating and hot water.

Accessible over the Internet, too.

My OS of choice is RISC OS.

Dave

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#9641

In article <55f92636$0$3310$426a74cc@news.free.fr>,
F8BOE  <f8boe@bluemail.ch> wrote:
>Hello,
>
>As I didn't want to waste my time with a silly test message on an empty 
>forum, I decided to head up finding people who are using these computer 
>toys.

They are toys, but they are also being used daily in industrial
applications. The compute board is testament to that.

>I have a RPi2 lying here and doing nothing but taking dust... Many projects 
>are described and that's really cool... But as for the OS, sorry, Ubuntu 
>Mate is overbloated with useless things, but works out of the box, even WPA 
>access to hidden WLAN APs with SSIDs! Openelec and OSmc are unable to 
>automatically detect any UPnP/DAAP server (bonjour activated on it) on the 
>network, the other 2 ones are only time wasting tricky-tweaky ditros that 
>run well on on Intel/AMD based hardware, but only devellopped for ARM V6 and 
>not yet for ARM V7...
>
>A little bit frustrating isn't it?

Not really.

>So I hoped getting an easy tune up with Raspbian... Not even able to get the 
>USB WLAN dongle that came with the RPi2, work correctly, as it worked out of 
>the box under Ubuntu... And to get the full HD video support you have to pay 
>extra bucks for the driver??? No sorry that's too much for me. I'm the 
>uncomplaining and coolkeeping one but there are limits!!!

No idea what you're on about. My Pi's play full HD video without paying
for any extra codecs/drivers. There are additional codecs you can purchase
but for playing HD you don't need them.

>OK NAS4Free is a good and simple project to make a little NAS with some 
>complementary features, out of a RPi or an ODROID. But don't expect 
>lightning performances.
>
>The RPi or even the RPi2 as a full featured computer... You can forget it! 
>The RPi2 with Ubuntu Mate is slower than my P III 800MHz 512MB RAM (Dell 
>GX110) running Mageia... OK wrong example... Perhaps.

The Pi wasn't really designed as a desktop replacement, although I know
some people who are succesfully using it as just that. It's a little
stand-alone computer capable of doing what's neccessarry to allow what
it was designed for - to teach software/program development. Everything
else is a bonus.

>Another way to make it usefull: CUPS printserver, SaneD scanning server.

I'm using them to control ovens, fridges, laser cutters and I've helped
others to use them to control robots, cars, helicopters, telephone
systems, home automation, chicken farm automation (100,000 chickens) Limited
only by your imagination.

Gordon

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#9642

On Wed, 16 Sep 2015 09:26:51 +0000, Gordon Henderson wrote:

> In article <55f92636$0$3310$426a74cc@news.free.fr>,
> F8BOE  <f8boe@bluemail.ch> wrote:
>>Hello,
>>
>>As I didn't want to waste my time with a silly test message on an empty
>>forum, I decided to head up finding people who are using these computer
>>toys.
> 
> They are toys, but they are also being used daily in industrial
> applications. The compute board is testament to that.
> 
>>I have a RPi2 lying here and doing nothing but taking dust... Many
>>projects are described and that's really cool... But as for the OS,
>>sorry, Ubuntu Mate is overbloated with useless things, but works out of
>>the box, even WPA access to hidden WLAN APs with SSIDs! Openelec and
>>OSmc are unable to automatically detect any UPnP/DAAP server (bonjour
>>activated on it) on the network, the other 2 ones are only time wasting
>>tricky-tweaky ditros that run well on on Intel/AMD based hardware, but
>>only devellopped for ARM V6 and not yet for ARM V7...
>>
>>A little bit frustrating isn't it?
> 
> Not really.
> 
>>So I hoped getting an easy tune up with Raspbian... Not even able to get
>>the USB WLAN dongle that came with the RPi2, work correctly, as it
>>worked out of the box under Ubuntu...

Wifi worked fine on min with a generic Wifi dongle.
did you use a raspian image or Noobs?

>> And to get the full HD video
>>support you have to pay extra bucks for the driver??? No sorry that's
>>too much for me. I'm the uncomplaining and coolkeeping one but there are
>>limits!!!
> 
> No idea what you're on about. My Pi's play full HD video without paying
> for any extra codecs/drivers. There are additional codecs you can
> purchase but for playing HD you don't need them.

Although I guess that @ over 10% of the cost of the board  (~£3.00 for 
both)they are a little expensive ;-)

> 
>>OK NAS4Free is a good and simple project to make a little NAS with some
>>complementary features, out of a RPi or an ODROID. But don't expect
>>lightning performances.
>>
>>The RPi or even the RPi2 as a full featured computer... You can forget
>>it! The RPi2 with Ubuntu Mate is slower than my P III 800MHz 512MB RAM
>>(Dell GX110) running Mageia... OK wrong example... Perhaps.
> 
> The Pi wasn't really designed as a desktop replacement, although I know
> some people who are succesfully using it as just that. It's a little
> stand-alone computer capable of doing what's neccessarry to allow what
> it was designed for - to teach software/program development. Everything
> else is a bonus.
> 
>>Another way to make it usefull: CUPS printserver, SaneD scanning server.
> 
> I'm using them to control ovens, fridges, laser cutters and I've helped
> others to use them to control robots, cars, helicopters, telephone
> systems, home automation, chicken farm automation (100,000 chickens)
> Limited only by your imagination.
> 
> Gordon





-- 
It isn't easy being a Friday kind of person in a Monday kind of world.

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#9645

On 9/16/2015 7:46 AM, alister wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Sep 2015 09:26:51 +0000, Gordon Henderson wrote:
>
>> In article <55f92636$0$3310$426a74cc@news.free.fr>,
>> F8BOE  <f8boe@bluemail.ch> wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> As I didn't want to waste my time with a silly test message on an empty
>>> forum, I decided to head up finding people who are using these computer
>>> toys.
>>
>> They are toys, but they are also being used daily in industrial
>> applications. The compute board is testament to that.
>>
>>> I have a RPi2 lying here and doing nothing but taking dust... Many
>>> projects are described and that's really cool... But as for the OS,
>>> sorry, Ubuntu Mate is overbloated with useless things, but works out of
>>> the box, even WPA access to hidden WLAN APs with SSIDs! Openelec and
>>> OSmc are unable to automatically detect any UPnP/DAAP server (bonjour
>>> activated on it) on the network, the other 2 ones are only time wasting
>>> tricky-tweaky ditros that run well on on Intel/AMD based hardware, but
>>> only devellopped for ARM V6 and not yet for ARM V7...
>>>
>>> A little bit frustrating isn't it?
>>
>> Not really.
>>
>>> So I hoped getting an easy tune up with Raspbian... Not even able to get
>>> the USB WLAN dongle that came with the RPi2, work correctly, as it
>>> worked out of the box under Ubuntu...
>
> Wifi worked fine on min with a generic Wifi dongle.
> did you use a raspian image or Noobs?
>
>>> And to get the full HD video
>>> support you have to pay extra bucks for the driver??? No sorry that's
>>> too much for me. I'm the uncomplaining and coolkeeping one but there are
>>> limits!!!
>>
>> No idea what you're on about. My Pi's play full HD video without paying
>> for any extra codecs/drivers. There are additional codecs you can
>> purchase but for playing HD you don't need them.
>
> Although I guess that @ over 10% of the cost of the board  (~£3.00 for
> both)they are a little expensive ;-)

The CODEC fee is a license required by the developers of the CODEC and 
has nothing to do with the rPi.  They could have just not developed that 
particular CODEC at all.  You would still be able to view HD, just not 
in that format.

-- 

Rick

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#9647

On Wed, 16 Sep 2015 11:18:21 -0400, rickman wrote:

> On 9/16/2015 7:46 AM, alister wrote:
>> On Wed, 16 Sep 2015 09:26:51 +0000, Gordon Henderson wrote:
>>
>>> In article <55f92636$0$3310$426a74cc@news.free.fr>,
>>> F8BOE  <f8boe@bluemail.ch> wrote:
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> As I didn't want to waste my time with a silly test message on an
>>>> empty forum, I decided to head up finding people who are using these
>>>> computer toys.
>>>
>>> They are toys, but they are also being used daily in industrial
>>> applications. The compute board is testament to that.
>>>
>>>> I have a RPi2 lying here and doing nothing but taking dust... Many
>>>> projects are described and that's really cool... But as for the OS,
>>>> sorry, Ubuntu Mate is overbloated with useless things, but works out
>>>> of the box, even WPA access to hidden WLAN APs with SSIDs! Openelec
>>>> and OSmc are unable to automatically detect any UPnP/DAAP server
>>>> (bonjour activated on it) on the network, the other 2 ones are only
>>>> time wasting tricky-tweaky ditros that run well on on Intel/AMD based
>>>> hardware, but only devellopped for ARM V6 and not yet for ARM V7...
>>>>
>>>> A little bit frustrating isn't it?
>>>
>>> Not really.
>>>
>>>> So I hoped getting an easy tune up with Raspbian... Not even able to
>>>> get the USB WLAN dongle that came with the RPi2, work correctly, as
>>>> it worked out of the box under Ubuntu...
>>
>> Wifi worked fine on min with a generic Wifi dongle.
>> did you use a raspian image or Noobs?
>>
>>>> And to get the full HD video support you have to pay extra bucks for
>>>> the driver??? No sorry that's too much for me. I'm the uncomplaining
>>>> and coolkeeping one but there are limits!!!
>>>
>>> No idea what you're on about. My Pi's play full HD video without
>>> paying for any extra codecs/drivers. There are additional codecs you
>>> can purchase but for playing HD you don't need them.
>>
>> Although I guess that @ over 10% of the cost of the board  (~£3.00 for
>> both)they are a little expensive ;-)
> 
> The CODEC fee is a license required by the developers of the CODEC and
> has nothing to do with the rPi.  They could have just not developed that
> particular CODEC at all.  You would still be able to view HD, just not
> in that format.


you may have missed my sarcasm,
£3.00 for the licenses is a give-a-way, I have bought both for 2 of my 
Pi's & mey well get them for the 3rd just in case.


-- 
The gates in my computer are AND, OR and NOT; they are not Bill.

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#9648

On 9/16/2015 1:39 PM, alister wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Sep 2015 11:18:21 -0400, rickman wrote:
>
>> On 9/16/2015 7:46 AM, alister wrote:
>>> On Wed, 16 Sep 2015 09:26:51 +0000, Gordon Henderson wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article <55f92636$0$3310$426a74cc@news.free.fr>,
>>>> F8BOE  <f8boe@bluemail.ch> wrote:
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>
>>>>> As I didn't want to waste my time with a silly test message on an
>>>>> empty forum, I decided to head up finding people who are using these
>>>>> computer toys.
>>>>
>>>> They are toys, but they are also being used daily in industrial
>>>> applications. The compute board is testament to that.
>>>>
>>>>> I have a RPi2 lying here and doing nothing but taking dust... Many
>>>>> projects are described and that's really cool... But as for the OS,
>>>>> sorry, Ubuntu Mate is overbloated with useless things, but works out
>>>>> of the box, even WPA access to hidden WLAN APs with SSIDs! Openelec
>>>>> and OSmc are unable to automatically detect any UPnP/DAAP server
>>>>> (bonjour activated on it) on the network, the other 2 ones are only
>>>>> time wasting tricky-tweaky ditros that run well on on Intel/AMD based
>>>>> hardware, but only devellopped for ARM V6 and not yet for ARM V7...
>>>>>
>>>>> A little bit frustrating isn't it?
>>>>
>>>> Not really.
>>>>
>>>>> So I hoped getting an easy tune up with Raspbian... Not even able to
>>>>> get the USB WLAN dongle that came with the RPi2, work correctly, as
>>>>> it worked out of the box under Ubuntu...
>>>
>>> Wifi worked fine on min with a generic Wifi dongle.
>>> did you use a raspian image or Noobs?
>>>
>>>>> And to get the full HD video support you have to pay extra bucks for
>>>>> the driver??? No sorry that's too much for me. I'm the uncomplaining
>>>>> and coolkeeping one but there are limits!!!
>>>>
>>>> No idea what you're on about. My Pi's play full HD video without
>>>> paying for any extra codecs/drivers. There are additional codecs you
>>>> can purchase but for playing HD you don't need them.
>>>
>>> Although I guess that @ over 10% of the cost of the board  (~£3.00 for
>>> both)they are a little expensive ;-)
>>
>> The CODEC fee is a license required by the developers of the CODEC and
>> has nothing to do with the rPi.  They could have just not developed that
>> particular CODEC at all.  You would still be able to view HD, just not
>> in that format.
>
>
> you may have missed my sarcasm,
> £3.00 for the licenses is a give-a-way, I have bought both for 2 of my
> Pi's & mey well get them for the 3rd just in case.

Yeah, sorry, the sarcasm went over my head.

Is the license coded to a serial number on the pi in any way?  What's to 
stop the world from sharing one license?  Honesty?

-- 

Rick

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#9654

On 2015-09-16 19:52, rickman wrote:

> Is the license coded to a serial number on the pi in any way?  What's to
> stop the world from sharing one license?  Honesty?

That and the fact that you put something like
decode_MPG2=0x788a80f3
decode_WVC1=0x6604c1a7

in /boot/cmdline.txt

The number is calculated from your serialnumber you get
from /proc/cpuinfo

so the license is tied via a hardware key

Bu you only need it to play mpeg2 movies - ie dvds.
and whatever is encoded with vc1.

divx/xvid/mkv etc does not need the license

-- 
--
Björn

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#9665

On 2015-09-16 20:58, Björn Lundin wrote:
> On 2015-09-16 19:52, rickman wrote:
> 
>> Is the license coded to a serial number on the pi in any way?  What's to
>> stop the world from sharing one license?  Honesty?

> Bu you only need it to play mpeg2 movies - ie dvds.

And to playback dvb-t (terrestrial digital video  broadcasting) in my area

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#9666

On 16/09/2015 19:58, Björn Lundin wrote:
> But you only need it to play mpeg2 movies - ie dvds.
> and whatever is encoded with vc1.

You can still play MPEGs, but with software decoding rather than 
hardware acceleration that the licence gives you. So a Pi1 might 
struggle with anything sizeable, a Pi2 should manage.

---druck

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#9643

Is this the unknown dog trolling again?


On 16/09/15 10:20, F8BOE wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> As I didn't want to waste my time with a silly test message on an empty 
> forum, I decided to head up finding people who are using these computer 
> toys.
> 
> I have a RPi2 lying here and doing nothing but taking dust... Many projects 
> are described and that's really cool... But as for the OS, sorry, Ubuntu 
> Mate is overbloated with useless things, but works out of the box, even WPA 
> access to hidden WLAN APs with SSIDs! Openelec and OSmc are unable to 
> automatically detect any UPnP/DAAP server (bonjour activated on it) on the 
> network, the other 2 ones are only time wasting tricky-tweaky ditros that 
> run well on on Intel/AMD based hardware, but only devellopped for ARM V6 and 
> not yet for ARM V7...
> 
> A little bit frustrating isn't it?
> 
> So I hoped getting an easy tune up with Raspbian... Not even able to get the 
> USB WLAN dongle that came with the RPi2, work correctly, as it worked out of 
> the box under Ubuntu... And to get the full HD video support you have to pay 
> extra bucks for the driver??? No sorry that's too much for me. I'm the 
> uncomplaining and coolkeeping one but there are limits!!!
> 
> OK NAS4Free is a good and simple project to make a little NAS with some 
> complementary features, out of a RPi or an ODROID. But don't expect 
> lightning performances.
> 
> The RPi or even the RPi2 as a full featured computer... You can forget it! 
> The RPi2 with Ubuntu Mate is slower than my P III 800MHz 512MB RAM (Dell 
> GX110) running Mageia... OK wrong example... Perhaps.
> 
> Another way to make it usefull: CUPS printserver, SaneD scanning server.
> 
> well let's see...
> 

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#9644

On Wed, 16 Sep 2015 14:12:17 +0200
Tony van der Hoff <tony@vanderhoff.org> wrote:

> Is this the unknown dog trolling again?
> 
Looks like it, or something very similar.

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#9646

On 16/09/2015 13:12, Tony van der Hoff wrote:
> Is this the unknown dog trolling again?
>
>
> On 16/09/15 10:20, F8BOE wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> As I didn't want to waste my time with a silly test message on an empty
>> forum, I decided to head up finding people who are using these computer
>> toys.
>>

No; dog trolling is a very fixed style. This has none of the give away 
indications that it is dog/unknown/no.top.post or Chris Glurr to give 
him his real name.

It's some sad French ham who seems to be unable to get the standard Pi 
stuff to work. More time reading the destructions and learning how it's 
meant to work and less time trolling from a position of failure would be 
my advice.

In fact as trolling goes, it's very piss-poor. Please try harder next time.

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#9649

On 9/16/2015 12:58 PM, mm0fmf wrote:
> On 16/09/2015 13:12, Tony van der Hoff wrote:
>> Is this the unknown dog trolling again?
>>
>>
>> On 16/09/15 10:20, F8BOE wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> As I didn't want to waste my time with a silly test message on an empty
>>> forum, I decided to head up finding people who are using these computer
>>> toys.
>>>
>
> No; dog trolling is a very fixed style. This has none of the give away
> indications that it is dog/unknown/no.top.post or Chris Glurr to give
> him his real name.
>
> It's some sad French ham who seems to be unable to get the standard Pi
> stuff to work. More time reading the destructions and learning how it's
> meant to work and less time trolling from a position of failure would be
> my advice.
>
> In fact as trolling goes, it's very piss-poor. Please try harder next time.

People dislike what they perceive as trolling.  But often the responses 
are just as bad.  Most people know the best way to deal with trolling is 
to ignore it.... even though it is easier to say than to do.

-- 

Rick

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#9669

F8BOE wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> The RPi or even the RPi2 as a full featured computer... You can forget it!
> The RPi2 with Ubuntu Mate is slower than my P III 800MHz 512MB RAM (Dell
> GX110) running Mageia... OK wrong example... Perhaps.

 I have been grown up with zx81, cpc64, commodores c64, amigas and all that 
stuff. Yes they was full fetured computers which have done a lot of work. 
Even the first PCs on 8088 or 8086 Basis have done a lot of work and would 
be still able to do most of the buisness nowerdays. That people get so 
stupid and lost there imagination so far that they need for every small shit 
a graphical help is a pitty. Up til now nobody could tell me why I need for 
EMail, Calculations, Texting or similar things a graphical System. Infact 
with a Standardeditor and a bit of Tex I am finished in a tenth of the time. 
Yes I am now using a full featured computer with all the shiny things just 
for fun. But I am working in the embedded computing area and trust me what 
we are doing with hardware which is even less powerfull than the raspberry 
is astonishing. 2018 we will start a programm to launsch 900 satelittes to 
put cheap internet all over the world. Each satelitte must be below 50Kg and 
have a powerconsumption below 20W. That is a call for embedded computing. 
:-)

Ciao Nobbe

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#9670

On 18/09/15 18:45, Norbert Möndjen wrote:
> F8BOE wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> The RPi or even the RPi2 as a full featured computer... You can forget it!
>> The RPi2 with Ubuntu Mate is slower than my P III 800MHz 512MB RAM (Dell
>> GX110) running Mageia... OK wrong example... Perhaps.
>
>   I have been grown up with zx81, cpc64, commodores c64, amigas and all that
> stuff. Yes they was full fetured computers which have done a lot of work.
> Even the first PCs on 8088 or 8086 Basis have done a lot of work and would
> be still able to do most of the buisness nowerdays. That people get so
> stupid and lost there imagination so far that they need for every small shit
> a graphical help is a pitty. Up til now nobody could tell me why I need for
> EMail, Calculations, Texting or similar things a graphical System. Infact
> with a Standardeditor and a bit of Tex I am finished in a tenth of the time.
> Yes I am now using a full featured computer with all the shiny things just
> for fun. But I am working in the embedded computing area and trust me what
> we are doing with hardware which is even less powerfull than the raspberry
> is astonishing. 2018 we will start a programm to launsch 900 satelittes to
> put cheap internet all over the world. Each satelitte must be below 50Kg and
> have a powerconsumption below 20W. That is a call for embedded computing.
> :-)
>
> Ciao Nobbe
>
+1000
A PDP/11 could have been outperformed by an 8086 with 128Mbyte of RAM if 
it had had Unix on it...

And IIRC those PDPS are still there controlling all sorts of industrial kit.

I DO need graphics to do graphic design and so on, but frankly the rest 
could easily be done better on a text screen.

Where I run out of CPU is playing 3D games and transcoding videos. 
That's all.

And this is not a powerful machine at all.


-- 
Global warming is the new Margaret Thatcher. There is no ill in the 
world it's not directly responsible for.

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#9673

On 9/18/2015 2:31 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 18/09/15 18:45, Norbert Möndjen wrote:
>> F8BOE wrote:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> The RPi or even the RPi2 as a full featured computer... You can
>>> forget it!
>>> The RPi2 with Ubuntu Mate is slower than my P III 800MHz 512MB RAM (Dell
>>> GX110) running Mageia... OK wrong example... Perhaps.
>>
>>   I have been grown up with zx81, cpc64, commodores c64, amigas and
>> all that
>> stuff. Yes they was full fetured computers which have done a lot of work.
>> Even the first PCs on 8088 or 8086 Basis have done a lot of work and
>> would
>> be still able to do most of the buisness nowerdays. That people get so
>> stupid and lost there imagination so far that they need for every
>> small shit
>> a graphical help is a pitty. Up til now nobody could tell me why I
>> need for
>> EMail, Calculations, Texting or similar things a graphical System. Infact
>> with a Standardeditor and a bit of Tex I am finished in a tenth of the
>> time.
>> Yes I am now using a full featured computer with all the shiny things
>> just
>> for fun. But I am working in the embedded computing area and trust me
>> what
>> we are doing with hardware which is even less powerfull than the
>> raspberry
>> is astonishing. 2018 we will start a programm to launsch 900
>> satelittes to
>> put cheap internet all over the world. Each satelitte must be below
>> 50Kg and
>> have a powerconsumption below 20W. That is a call for embedded computing.
>> :-)
>>
>> Ciao Nobbe
>>
> +1000
> A PDP/11 could have been outperformed by an 8086 with 128Mbyte of RAM if
> it had had Unix on it...
>
> And IIRC those PDPS are still there controlling all sorts of industrial
> kit.

I think that is a bit of a stretch.  The last PDP11 I saw was on a piece 
of electronic assembly equipment going to the dump some 10 years ago.

-- 

Rick

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#9676

On 18/09/15 20:13, rickman wrote:
> On 9/18/2015 2:31 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 18/09/15 18:45, Norbert Möndjen wrote:
>>> F8BOE wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> The RPi or even the RPi2 as a full featured computer... You can
>>>> forget it!
>>>> The RPi2 with Ubuntu Mate is slower than my P III 800MHz 512MB RAM
>>>> (Dell
>>>> GX110) running Mageia... OK wrong example... Perhaps.
>>>
>>>   I have been grown up with zx81, cpc64, commodores c64, amigas and
>>> all that
>>> stuff. Yes they was full fetured computers which have done a lot of
>>> work.
>>> Even the first PCs on 8088 or 8086 Basis have done a lot of work and
>>> would
>>> be still able to do most of the buisness nowerdays. That people get so
>>> stupid and lost there imagination so far that they need for every
>>> small shit
>>> a graphical help is a pitty. Up til now nobody could tell me why I
>>> need for
>>> EMail, Calculations, Texting or similar things a graphical System.
>>> Infact
>>> with a Standardeditor and a bit of Tex I am finished in a tenth of the
>>> time.
>>> Yes I am now using a full featured computer with all the shiny things
>>> just
>>> for fun. But I am working in the embedded computing area and trust me
>>> what
>>> we are doing with hardware which is even less powerfull than the
>>> raspberry
>>> is astonishing. 2018 we will start a programm to launsch 900
>>> satelittes to
>>> put cheap internet all over the world. Each satelitte must be below
>>> 50Kg and
>>> have a powerconsumption below 20W. That is a call for embedded
>>> computing.
>>> :-)
>>>
>>> Ciao Nobbe
>>>
>> +1000
>> A PDP/11 could have been outperformed by an 8086 with 128Mbyte of RAM if
>> it had had Unix on it...
>>
>> And IIRC those PDPS are still there controlling all sorts of industrial
>> kit.
>
> I think that is a bit of a stretch.  The last PDP11 I saw was on a piece
> of electronic assembly equipment going to the dump some 10 years ago.
>
Wasn't it air traffic control or something that still ran on them? Oh, 
no. They were ditched a couple of years back.

Its nuclear power stations!

http://forums.theregister.co.uk/forum/1/2013/06/19/nuke_plants_to_keep_pdp11_until_2050/



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