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  Discharging a wireless USB keyboard for long-term storage "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-06-27 12:21 +0800
    Re: Discharging a wireless USB keyboard for long-term storage Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> - 2026-06-27 06:14 +0100
      Re: Discharging a wireless USB keyboard for long-term storage "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-06-27 13:27 +0800
    Re: Discharging a wireless USB keyboard for long-term storage David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> - 2026-06-27 06:42 +0100
      Re: Discharging a wireless USB keyboard for long-term storage "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-06-27 13:49 +0800
        Re: Discharging a wireless USB keyboard for long-term storage David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> - 2026-06-27 07:03 +0100
          Re: Discharging a wireless USB keyboard... safe state? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-06-27 17:26 +0800
            Re: Discharging a wireless USB keyboard... safe state? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-06-27 10:36 +0100
    Re: Discharging a wireless USB keyboard for long-term storage "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2026-06-27 07:46 +0200
      Re: Discharging a wireless USB keybd ... "ON" & "OFF" labels "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-06-27 13:56 +0800
        Re: Discharging a wireless USB keybd ... "ON" & "OFF" labels "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2026-06-27 08:41 +0200
          Re: Discharging a wireless USB keybd ... flashing LED? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-06-27 17:38 +0800
          Re: Discharging ... flashing LED & Muzzle Flash "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-06-28 22:53 +0800
          Re: Discharging ... Flash, Muzzle, Recoil "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-06-28 23:00 +0800
      Re: Discharging a wireless USB keyboard for long-term storage "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-06-27 13:57 +0800
        Re: Discharging a wireless USB keyboard for long-term storage "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2026-06-27 09:09 +0200
          Re: Discharging a wireless USB keyboard for long-term storage "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-06-28 20:24 +0800
    Re: Discharging a wireless USB keyboard for long-term storage druck <news@druck.org.uk> - 2026-06-27 08:57 +0100
      Re: Discharging a wireless USB keyboard for long-term storage druck <news@druck.org.uk> - 2026-06-27 09:04 +0100
      Re: Discharging a wireless USB keyboard for long-term storage "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-06-27 17:41 +0800
        Re: Discharging a wireless USB keyboard for long-term storage druck <news@druck.org.uk> - 2026-06-27 20:30 +0100
          Re: Discharging a wireless USB keyboard for long-term storage "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-06-28 12:11 +0800
            Re: Discharging a wireless USB keyboard for long-term storage Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-06-28 10:35 +0100
              Re: Discharging a wireless USB keyboard for long-term storage "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-06-28 18:21 +0800
            Re: Discharging a wireless USB keyboard for long-term storage The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-28 11:12 +0100
              Re: Discharging a wireless USB keyboard for long-term storage "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-06-28 18:25 +0800
                Re: Discharging a wireless USB keyboard for long-term storage The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-28 11:32 +0100
                  Re: Discharging a wireless USB keyboard for long-term storage "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-06-28 19:13 +0800
                    Re: Discharging a wireless USB keyboard for long-term storage The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-28 12:23 +0100
                      Re: Discharging a wireless USB keyboard for long-term storage KenitoBenito <Kenito@Benito.too> - 2026-06-28 04:37 -0700
                        Re: Discharging a wireless USB keyboard for long-term storage "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-06-28 19:59 +0800
                          Re: Discharging a wireless USB keyboard for long-term storage The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-29 12:46 +0100
                        Re: Discharging a wireless USB keyboard for long-term storage The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-29 12:45 +0100
            Re: Discharging a wireless USB keyboard for long-term storage David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> - 2026-06-28 16:29 +0100
          Re: Discharging ... rechargeable batteries "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-06-28 12:13 +0800
            Re: Discharging ... rechargeable batteries The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-28 11:16 +0100
              Re: Discharging ... rechargeable batteries "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-06-28 18:29 +0800
                Re: Discharging ... rechargeable batteries The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-28 11:33 +0100
                  Re: Discharging ... Usenet go IPO??? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-06-28 19:14 +0800
                    Re: Discharging ... Usenet go IPO??? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-28 12:23 +0100
                      Re: Discharging ... Usenet go IPO??? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-06-28 20:00 +0800
                        Re: Discharging ... Usenet go IPO??? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-29 12:47 +0100
                          Re: Discharging ... Usenet go IPO??? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-06-29 19:53 +0800
                            Re: Discharging ... Usenet go IPO??? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-29 12:59 +0100
                              Re: Discharging ... Usenet go IPO??? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-06-29 20:04 +0800
            sci.chem.electrochem.battery "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-06-28 20:12 +0800
              Discharging fixed, hidden batteries "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-06-28 20:17 +0800
                Re: Discharging fixed, hidden batteries mm0fmf <none@invalid.com> - 2026-06-28 16:19 +0100
                  Re: Discharging ... trolling == cross-posting? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-06-29 00:13 +0800
                  Re: Discharging.. The Matrix? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-06-29 12:08 +0800
                  Re: Discharging fixed, hidden batteries legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> - 2026-06-29 08:57 -0400
                    Re: Discharging ... seal "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-06-29 20:58 +0800
                      Re: Discharging ... seal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-29 14:02 +0100
                        Re: Discharging ... SEAL! "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-06-29 21:19 +0800
                    Re: Discharging ... *plonk* plonked "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-06-30 01:41 +0800
                      Re: Discharging ... *plonk* plonked Roger Hayter <roger@hayter.org> - 2026-06-29 18:36 +0000
                Re: Discharging fixed, hidden batteries The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-29 12:48 +0100
                  Re: Discharging fixed, hidden batteries ... dry cell?? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-06-29 19:51 +0800
                    Re: Discharging fixed, hidden batteries ... dry cell?? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-29 12:59 +0100
                      Re: Discharging fixed, hidden batteries ... dry cell?? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-06-29 20:07 +0800
    Re: Discharging a wireless USB keyboard for long-term storage mm0fmf <none@invalid.com> - 2026-06-28 16:18 +0100
      Re: Discharging a wireless USB keyboard for long-term storage "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-06-29 00:05 +0800
      Re: Discharging ... popcorn? plastic? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-06-29 01:39 +0800
    Re: Discharging a wireless USB keyboard ... DONE!!! "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-06-29 00:25 +0800
      Re: Discharging a wireless USB keyboard ... DONE!!! NO!!! "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-06-29 13:02 +0800

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#38095 — Discharging a wireless USB keyboard for long-term storage

What's the fastest way to discharge the internal rechargeable battery in 
a wireless USB keyboard?

The white keyboard in question has a type-C USB port for connection to a 
PC, and a USB dongle of course. It also has a switch to select wired 
(mis-lablled as "OFF"?) and wirelss mode (mis-labelled as "ON"?).

BTW, the keyboard in question has LEDs under all keycaps. You can choose 
light shows using hot keys.

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#38096

Mr. Man-wai Chang <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> What's the fastest way to discharge the internal rechargeable battery in 
> a wireless USB keyboard?
> 
Why would you want to discharge the battery? For battery life it's
best to leave it charged.  As regards risk I think it's trivial,
problems only tend to occur when charging or discharging the battery.

-- 
Chris Green
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#38097

On 6/27/2026 1:14 PM, Chris Green wrote:
> Mr. Man-wai Chang <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> What's the fastest way to discharge the internal rechargeable battery in
>> a wireless USB keyboard?
>
> Why would you want to discharge the battery? 


Long-term storage!! I dunno when I will or might use it again.

> For battery life it's best to leave it charged.


Battery life is not important.


> As regards risk I think it's trivial,
> problems only tend to occur when charging 
> or discharging the battery.

You sure about that?

Isn't it safer to discharge all energy before
leaving or disposing of rechargeable batteries?

I indeed worries about fire risks storing stuffs
with internal rechargeable battery, notably
self ignition or spontaneous combusion without
flame nor heat. Think hot weather!!

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#38098

On 27/06/2026 05:21, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
> What's the fastest way to discharge the internal rechargeable battery in
> a wireless USB keyboard?

I would just leave it in its "last used" state.

The last thing you want to do is to store it fully discharged - depending on the 
battery design, it may never recover from a full discharge.

Cheers,
David
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#38100

On 6/27/2026 1:42 PM, David Taylor wrote:
> On 27/06/2026 05:21, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
>> What's the fastest way to discharge the internal rechargeable battery in
>> a wireless USB keyboard?
> 
> The last thing you want to do is to store it fully discharged - depending on the
> battery design, it may never recover from a full discharge.

As I said in the another reply, I don't care about the life of that 
stupid but dangerous rechargeable battery. :)

But is a fully discharged r.b. still a fire disk?

Will a fully discharged r.b. self ignite/explode/combust?



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#38103

On 27/06/2026 06:49, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
> As I said in the another reply, I don't care about the life of that
> stupid but dangerous rechargeable battery. 🙂
> 
> But is a fully discharged r.b. still a fire disk?
> 
> Will a fully discharged r.b. self ignite/explode/combust?

A fully discharged battery /may/ not be in a safe state.

Just remove the battery, dispose of it, and replace later (with a new cell) when 
required.

-- 
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#38108 — Re: Discharging a wireless USB keyboard... safe state?

On 6/27/2026 2:03 PM, David Taylor wrote:
> 
> A fully discharged battery /may/ not be in a safe state.
> 
> Just remove the battery, dispose of it, and replace later (with a new cell) when
> required.

It's cleverly enclosed in a plastic casing! Any other way(s) to 
discharge it? Say, via the exposed Type-C USB port of the keyboard?

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#38109 — Re: Discharging a wireless USB keyboard... safe state?

"Mr. Man-wai Chang" wrote:

> Any other way(s) to discharge it? Say, via the exposed Type-C USB port 
> of the keyboard?

It's more likely the keyboard will take power over USB than supply power 
over USB ...

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#38099

Mr. Man-wai Chang,

> What's the fastest way to discharge the internal rechargeable battery
> in a wireless USB keyboard?

Why would you want/need to do that ?  What do you think (c|w)ould go wrong 
if you didn't ?

But the fastest way would be to open the keyboard, take some electrical wire 
and connect the positive and negative battery terminals.  Depending on the 
kind of battery it might cause sparking and a glowing, *very* hot battery 
though.  It might even explode. But hey, its fast. :-)

> It also has a switch to select wired (mis-lablled as "OFF"?) and wirelss 
> mode (mis-labelled as "ON"?).

You mean when its "on" the wireless mode is active - regardles of if the (PC 
/ USB) connector is plugged in and its recharging the battery - and when its 
"off" the wireless doesn't work - even though it could still charge the 
battery - and its just a standard PC / USB keyboard ?

What do you think that the switches labeling should have said instead ?

Regards,
Rudy Wieser

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#38101 — Re: Discharging a wireless USB keybd ... "ON" & "OFF" labels

On 6/27/2026 1:46 PM, R.Wieser wrote:
> Mr. Man-wai Chang,
> 
> You mean when its "on" the wireless mode is active - regardles of if the (PC
> / USB) connector is plugged in and its recharging the battery - and when its
> "off" the wireless doesn't work - even though it could still charge the
> battery - and its just a standard PC / USB keyboard ?
> 
> What do you think that the switches labeling should have said instead ?

Keyboard in question: Acer OKW132 mechanical keyboard

ON  - WiFi Active LED flashes. That keyboard is in wireless mode,
       I suppose.

OFF - WiFi Active LED no longer flashes. I suppose that means
       wired mode, and I need to plug in the USB cable from the PC.

Regardless of the state of the switch, the type-C cable always
charges the battery, as displayed by the battery LED.

I haven't had the time to open the keyboard, because you need
to unmount all Cherry switch first, nearly 80 of them.



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#38104 — Re: Discharging a wireless USB keybd ... "ON" & "OFF" labels

Mr. Man-wai Chang,

>> What do you think that the switches labeling should have said instead ?
>
> Keyboard in question: Acer OKW132 mechanical keyboard
>
> ON  - WiFi Active LED flashes. That keyboard is in wireless mode,
>       I suppose.
>
> OFF - WiFi Active LED no longer flashes. I suppose that means
>       wired mode, and I need to plug in the USB cable from the PC.
>
> Regardless of the state of the switch, the type-C cable always
> charges the battery, as displayed by the battery LED.

Thats a description of what the switch (supposedly) does, not an answer to 
my question.

Also, that led is blinking as long as its in wireless mode ?   I would go 
crazy because of the distraction (I would either disconnect/remove the led 
or throw the whole keyboard out)

> I haven't had the time to open the keyboard, because you need
> to unmount all Cherry switch first, nearly 80 of them.

The last time I opened a keyboard I could just remove the plastic bottom 
shell and leave the actual keyboard (with its buttons) with the top shell. 
It might even just be a foil keyboard, with a small circuit-board located 
under the leds (the mechanics of the keys being a part of the top shell).

Regards,
Rudy Wieser

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#38110 — Re: Discharging a wireless USB keybd ... flashing LED?

On 6/27/2026 2:41 PM, R.Wieser wrote:
> 
> Also, that led is blinking as long as its in wireless mode ?   I would go
> crazy because of the distraction (I would either disconnect/remove the led
> or throw the whole keyboard out)


I don't mind flashing lights. You can turn your back or close your eye 
and eyelids to ignore it. It's just light.

Unless your brain is born with weaknesses that reacts crazily when 
seeing flashing lights, or hearing drum rolls. :)

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#38133 — Re: Discharging ... flashing LED & Muzzle Flash

On 6/27/2026 2:41 PM, R.Wieser wrote:
> 
> Also, that led is blinking as long as its in 
> wireless mode ? I would go crazy because of 
> the distraction
Only cursed or conditioned persons or patients
have the problem you described? It reminded
them of muzzle flashes?

... which means whoever fired a weapons that
flashes? You are a gun owner and/or lover?

Okay... that's interesting, Your Honor. :)

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#38134 — Re: Discharging ... Flash, Muzzle, Recoil

On 6/27/2026 2:41 PM, R.Wieser wrote:
> 
> I would go crazy because of the distraction 

Did you kill someone using a weapon
that flash, BANG!! and recoil? :)


Muzzle flash - Wikipedia
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muzzle_flash>

flashing light psychology - Google 搜尋
<https://www.google.com/search?q=flashing+light+psychology>

flicker light psychology - Google 搜尋
<https://www.google.com/search?q=flicker+light+psychology>

vision flash - Google 搜尋
<https://www.google.com/search?q=vision+flash>



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#38102

On 6/27/2026 1:46 PM, R.Wieser wrote:
> 
> But the fastest way would be to open the keyboard, take some electrical wire
> and connect the positive and negative battery terminals.  Depending on the
> kind of battery it might cause sparking and a glowing, *very* hot battery
> though.  It might even explode. But hey, its fast. :-)

Can you do it via its Type-C USB port?

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#38105

Mr. Man-wai Chang,

> Can you do it via its Type-C USB port?

Definitily not.

There is a bit of electronics between the cables power-lines and the 
battery - to make sure that the battery doesn't load to fast and not gets 
over/under charged (both can kill a battery rather quickly), and also to 
make sure that when the connector pins *accidentily* gets short-circuited 
you don't end up with a laptop-bag or backpack bursting into flames (or just 
fries the keyboards electronics).

And for the record : you should *never* short-circuit a battery (or any 
power-source for that matter).

But as asked, why do you think you should discharge the keyboards battery to 
begin with ?

Regards,
Rudy Wieser

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#38132

On 6/27/2026 3:09 PM, R.Wieser wrote:
> Mr. Man-wai Chang,
> 
>> Can you do it via its Type-C USB port?
> 
> Definitily not.


Because the circuit prevents discharging
via the USB-C port? So as not to affect
the charging process? :)

> There is a bit of electronics between the cables power-lines and the
> battery - to make sure that the battery doesn't load ....
> 
> And for the record : you should *never* short-circuit a battery (or any
> power-source for that matter).
> 
> But as asked, why do you think you should discharge the keyboards battery to
> begin with ?

Just wanna stop using the wireless USB keyboard
in question, wrap it and put it back into the box.
Then stuff it somewhere fire-safe.

That's all. No evil ideas. Not trying to blow
up anything. Well...

Evil people might read this thread, sneak into
my home then steal my wirelss keyboard and
use it to do evil. Well.... I have lost many
things without me knowing it.

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#38106

On 27/06/2026 05:21, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
> 
> What's the fastest way to discharge the internal rechargeable battery in 
> a wireless USB keyboard?

Just let it self discharge in storage. As long as it is in a cool 
environment with no risk of the battery being crashed, it will be fine.
Alternatively disassemble and dispose of the battery before storing.

---druck

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#38107

On 27/06/2026 08:57, druck wrote:
> On 27/06/2026 05:21, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
>>
>> What's the fastest way to discharge the internal rechargeable battery 
>> in a wireless USB keyboard?
> 
> Just let it self discharge in storage. As long as it is in a cool 
> environment with no risk of the battery being crashed, it will be fine.
> Alternatively disassemble and dispose of the battery before storing.

s/crashed/crushed/

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#38111

On 6/27/2026 3:57 PM, druck wrote:
> 
> Just let it self discharge in storage. As long as it is in a cool
> environment with no risk of the battery being crashed, it will be fine.
> Alternatively disassemble and dispose of the battery before storing.
So to quickly discharge a rechargeable battery, the only way is to 
extract the battery out of secuerd casing, and short its anode and 
cathode (which are protected by chips) with a fuse?

That's really tricky for babies and kids.

That explained why they make USB port's pin smaller, narrower, finer 
while increasing the power. :)

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