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On Fri, 8 Jan 2021 09:27:35 +0000
Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:

>On Fri, 08 Jan 2021 09:56:13 +0100
>Deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I know a guy from the mailing lists (Gene Hasket) that is operating some
>> CNC and was complaining about lack of RT in linux. He is using some
>> patched kernel from somewhere - I do not recall the details, but it is
>> really a problem that Linux is not applicable to time sensitive
>> applications.  

Well, some 10 years ago, the firm I used to work for designed a print register
control system running on Linux retrofitted to a printing press. This was a
press that spilt the printed sheet into four ribbons, lined them up one on top
of the other, and also timed the cut and fold. I was there the first time it was
run. A gaggle of bigwigs were there, and as the press operator started the
machine one of them asked when it would be in register. By the time the printing
itself was stable, and they picked up one of the folded sheets, it was in
register on all four sheets within 2mm.

Fun facts:
The machine had rated top speed of 36,000 copies per hour - 10 A3 size per
second. On an emulated press, our system could manage at least 60,000. Modern
presses do 100,000

>	Problem ? It's a fact and always will be that multi-tasking
>operating systems and real time processing don't go together unless the
>real time demands are very long relative to the processing speed (eg.
>payroll).
>
>	Time was we used MS-DOS for burning CDs rather than unix because
>it only took one late write to make a coaster, buffering and faster
>processors means that we can now burn blu-ray discs from a multi-tasking OS
>and almost never make a coaster. That doesn't make unix a real time OS it
>just means that the timescales have shrunk.
>

Even on an old eeePC900 by adjusting the priorities I can see the audio and
interface threads are running on different cores, so with modern high count CPU
cores, and GPUs the distinction is becoming moot. I don't know how to do it
myself, but a *lot* of audio processing is very simple parallel operations -
the thing that GPUs excel at!

-- 
W J G

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  Re: RT Kernel Jim Jackson <jj@franjam.org.uk> - 2021-01-07 19:55 +0000
    Re: RT Kernel Folderol <general@musically.me.uk> - 2021-01-07 20:27 +0000
      Re: RT Kernel Jim Jackson <jj@franjam.org.uk> - 2021-01-07 20:35 +0000
        Re: RT Kernel Jan Panteltje <pNaOnStPeAlMtje@yahoo.com> - 2021-01-08 06:55 +0000
          Re: RT Kernel Deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2021-01-08 09:56 +0100
            Re: RT Kernel Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-01-08 09:27 +0000
              Re: RT Kernel Folderol <general@musically.me.uk> - 2021-01-08 11:16 +0000
                Re: RT Kernel Deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2021-01-08 12:42 +0100
                Re: RT Kernel The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-01-08 13:10 +0000
                Re: RT Kernel Folderol <general@musically.me.uk> - 2021-01-08 16:28 +0000
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            Re: RT Kernel Jim Jackson <jj@franjam.org.uk> - 2021-01-08 18:06 +0000
            Re: RT Kernel Scott Alfter <scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us> - 2021-01-08 20:18 +0000
              Re: RT Kernel Deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2021-01-08 21:36 +0100
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  Re: RT Kernel Martin Gregorie <martin@mydomain.invalid> - 2021-01-07 21:56 +0000
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