Re: controlling a mains-powered oven

From	Folderol <general@musically.me.uk>
Newsgroups	comp.sys.raspberry-pi
Subject	Re: controlling a mains-powered oven
Date	2015-12-21 18:28 +0000
Organization	A noiseless patient Spider
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On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 09:52:47 -0000 (UTC)
Gordon Henderson <gordon+usenet@drogon.net> wrote:

> In article <ddoo06Falt1U1@mid.individual.net>,
> Kallu Wiegand  <spam.only@roev.de> wrote:
> >Am 20.12.2015 um 18:54 Folderol wrote:
> >> On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 16:26:54 +0000 (GMT)
> >> Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> >>
> >>> In article <ddnu50F3r0tU1@mid.individual.net>,
> >>>     Kallu Wiegand <spam.only@roev.de> wrote:
> >>>> My suggestion would be a Solid-State-Relais.
> >>>
> >>> Yes, of course, but you will still generate less of an arc than if the
> >>> contacts open at Max volts. Zero crossing is easy enough to detect and
> >>> anticipate so you cut the relay holding current a few milliseconds before
> >>> zero.
> >>
> >> A relay capable of of safely breaking that kind of current takes upwards of
> >> 15mS to fire, so you would be (variably) about 3/4 the way though a complete
> >> mains cycle.
> >
> >A (theoretical) solution would be a propper treshold. If that 
> >dammned^hbad mechanical part wouldn't alter its behavier in such a short 
> >time! Some thousend switchings and the timing is far from good and ever 
> >changing.
> 
> And a practical solution is to use an SSR that does all the zero crossing
> for you without pissing about with mechanical relays, timings and other
> rubbish that went out with the arc.
> 
> Gordon

Hmmm "that went out with the arc." :(


The only proviso I'd make is that if you are doing fast switching, use the
mains itself as your switching time source. That way you can ensure you don't
inadvertently create any DC offsets with odd numbered half cycles.

-- 
W J G

Thread

controlling a mains-powered oven Jim Nagel <jimnewsm13c@abbeypress.co.uk> - 2015-09-06 15:20 +0100
  Re: controlling a mains-powered oven "gareth" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2015-09-06 17:40 +0100
    Re: controlling a mains-powered oven Andy Burns <usenet.feb2014@adslpipe.co.uk> - 2015-09-06 17:56 +0100
      Re: controlling a mains-powered oven The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-09-06 18:40 +0100
        Re: controlling a mains-powered oven Bernard Peek <{bap}@gamma.shrdlu.com> - 2015-09-07 20:16 +0000
  Re: controlling a mains-powered oven Gordon Henderson <gordon+usenet@drogon.net> - 2015-09-06 18:09 +0000
    Re: controlling a mains-powered oven mick <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2015-09-07 08:03 +0000
    Re: controlling a mains-powered oven Alan Adams <alan@adamshome.org.uk> - 2015-09-07 09:48 +0100
      Re: controlling a mains-powered oven mm0fmf <none@mailinator.com> - 2015-09-07 19:19 +0100
        Re: controlling a mains-powered oven Kallu Wiegand <spam.only@roev.de> - 2015-09-08 21:12 +0200
    Re: controlling a mains-powered oven Jim Nagel <jimnewsm13c@abbeypress.co.uk> - 2015-11-20 14:08 +0000
      Re: controlling a mains-powered oven Gordon Henderson <gordon+usenet@drogon.net> - 2015-11-21 14:23 +0000
        Re: controlling a mains-powered oven Folderol <general@musically.me.uk> - 2015-11-21 14:55 +0000
        Re: controlling a mains-powered oven rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 10:50 -0500
          Re: controlling a mains-powered oven Gordon Henderson <gordon+usenet@drogon.net> - 2015-11-21 19:06 +0000
            Re: controlling a mains-powered oven rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 20:52 -0500
              Re: controlling a mains-powered oven Gordon Henderson <gordon+usenet@drogon.net> - 2015-11-22 10:11 +0000
                Re: controlling a mains-powered oven rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-11-22 10:47 -0500
                Re: controlling a mains-powered oven Gordon Henderson <gordon+usenet@drogon.net> - 2015-11-22 18:17 +0000
                Re: controlling a mains-powered oven rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-11-22 13:51 -0500
                Re: controlling a mains-powered oven Andy Burns <usenet.feb2014@adslpipe.co.uk> - 2015-11-22 18:59 +0000
                Re: controlling a mains-powered oven rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-11-22 14:26 -0500
                Re: controlling a mains-powered oven Andy Burns <usenet.feb2014@adslpipe.co.uk> - 2015-11-22 19:50 +0000
                Re: controlling a mains-powered oven rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-11-22 15:05 -0500
                Re: controlling a mains-powered oven Andy Burns <usenet.feb2014@adslpipe.co.uk> - 2015-11-22 20:17 +0000
                Re: controlling a mains-powered oven Gordon Henderson <gordon+usenet@drogon.net> - 2015-11-22 20:52 +0000
                Re: controlling a mains-powered oven Jim Nagel <jimnewsm13c@abbeypress.co.uk> - 2015-11-27 01:06 +0000
                Re: controlling a mains-powered oven Gordon Henderson <gordon+usenet@drogon.net> - 2015-11-27 18:15 +0000
                Re: controlling a mains-powered oven Gordon Henderson <gordon+usenet@drogon.net> - 2015-11-22 20:21 +0000
                Re: controlling a mains-powered oven rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-11-22 15:40 -0500
                Re: controlling a mains-powered oven Gordon Henderson <gordon+usenet@drogon.net> - 2015-11-22 20:54 +0000
                Re: controlling a mains-powered oven rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-11-22 16:08 -0500
                Re: controlling a mains-powered oven The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-11-23 05:02 +0000
                Re: controlling a mains-powered oven Charlie <cdknospam@msn.com> - 2015-12-11 21:27 -0500
                Re: controlling a mains-powered oven Theo Markettos <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2015-12-12 13:53 +0000
                Re: controlling a mains-powered oven Charlie <cdknospam@msn.com> - 2015-12-15 22:17 -0500
                Re: controlling a mains-powered oven Folderol <general@musically.me.uk> - 2015-12-16 10:01 +0000
                Re: controlling a mains-powered oven Charlie <cdknospam@msn.com> - 2015-12-19 19:47 -0500
                Re: controlling a mains-powered oven Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2015-12-20 12:28 +0000
                Re: controlling a mains-powered oven Kallu Wiegand <spam.only@roev.de> - 2015-12-20 15:59 +0100
                Re: controlling a mains-powered oven Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2015-12-20 16:26 +0000
                Re: controlling a mains-powered oven Folderol <general@musically.me.uk> - 2015-12-20 17:54 +0000
                Re: controlling a mains-powered oven Kallu Wiegand <spam.only@roev.de> - 2015-12-20 23:21 +0100
                Re: controlling a mains-powered oven Gordon Henderson <gordon+usenet@drogon.net> - 2015-12-21 09:52 +0000
                Re: controlling a mains-powered oven Andy Burns <usenet.feb2014@adslpipe.co.uk> - 2015-12-21 12:30 +0000
                Re: controlling a mains-powered oven The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-12-21 12:39 +0000
                Re: controlling a mains-powered oven Folderol <general@musically.me.uk> - 2015-12-21 18:28 +0000
                Re: controlling a mains-powered oven mm0fmf <none@mailinator.com> - 2015-12-22 08:52 +0000
                Re: controlling a mains-powered oven The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-12-22 08:56 +0000
                Re: controlling a mains-powered oven Charlie <cdknospam@msn.com> - 2015-12-22 10:53 -0500
                Re: controlling a mains-powered oven rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-12-20 13:18 -0500
                Re: controlling a mains-powered oven Paul <paul@pcserviceselectronics.co.uk> - 2015-12-22 13:44 +0000
                Re: controlling a mains-powered oven rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-12-22 10:47 -0500
                Re: controlling a mains-powered oven Paul <paul@pcserviceselectronics.co.uk> - 2015-12-22 18:33 +0000
                Re: controlling a mains-powered oven Charlie <cdknospam@msn.com> - 2015-12-22 11:08 -0500
                Re: controlling a mains-powered oven mm0fmf <none@mailinator.com> - 2015-11-22 19:42 +0000
  Re: controlling a mains-powered oven rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-09-07 14:25 -0400
  Re: controlling a mains-powered oven Dr J R Stockton <reply1500@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2015-09-07 21:10 +0100
    Re: controlling a mains-powered oven The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-09-07 23:49 +0100
      Re: controlling a mains-powered oven Alan Adams <alan@adamshome.org.uk> - 2015-09-08 09:04 +0100
        Re: controlling a mains-powered oven rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-09-08 05:32 -0400
          Re: controlling a mains-powered oven Folderol <general@musically.me.uk> - 2015-09-08 18:21 +0100
            Re: controlling a mains-powered oven Jim Nagel <jimnewsm13c@abbeypress.co.uk> - 2015-09-08 19:03 +0100
              Re: controlling a mains-powered oven Folderol <general@musically.me.uk> - 2015-09-08 19:11 +0100
              Re: controlling a mains-powered oven rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-09-08 14:15 -0400
              Re: controlling a mains-powered oven The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-09-08 22:27 +0100
              Re: controlling a mains-powered oven Theo Markettos <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2015-09-09 14:05 +0100
                Re: controlling a mains-powered oven Gordon Henderson <gordon+usenet@drogon.net> - 2015-09-09 13:10 +0000
                Re: controlling a mains-powered oven Theo Markettos <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2015-09-09 15:46 +0100
                Re: controlling a mains-powered oven Rob <nomail@example.com> - 2015-09-09 16:08 +0000
                Re: controlling a mains-powered oven Gordon Henderson <gordon+usenet@drogon.net> - 2015-09-09 19:14 +0000
                Re: controlling a mains-powered oven Folderol <general@musically.me.uk> - 2015-09-09 21:00 +0100
                Re: controlling a mains-powered oven Gordon Henderson <gordon+usenet@drogon.net> - 2015-09-09 21:59 +0000
                Re: controlling a mains-powered oven Theo Markettos <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2015-09-09 23:58 +0100
                Re: controlling a mains-powered oven Gordon Henderson <gordon+usenet@drogon.net> - 2015-09-10 06:17 +0000
                Re: controlling a mains-powered oven rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-09-09 23:48 -0400
            Re: controlling a mains-powered oven Alan Adams <alan@adamshome.org.uk> - 2015-09-08 19:02 +0100
      Re: controlling a mains-powered oven Gordon Henderson <gordon+usenet@drogon.net> - 2015-09-08 11:23 +0000
        Re: controlling a mains-powered oven mm0fmf <none@mailinator.com> - 2015-09-08 12:41 +0100
        Re: controlling a mains-powered oven Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-09-08 12:58 +0100
          Re: controlling a mains-powered oven Gordon Henderson <gordon+usenet@drogon.net> - 2015-09-08 13:26 +0000
            Re: controlling a mains-powered oven Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-09-08 14:50 +0100
              Re: controlling a mains-powered oven Gordon Henderson <gordon+usenet@drogon.net> - 2015-09-08 14:24 +0000
                Re: controlling a mains-powered oven "A. Dumas" <alexandre@dumas.fr.invalid> - 2015-09-08 17:17 +0200
      Re: controlling a mains-powered oven Dr J R Stockton <reply1500@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2015-09-08 22:05 +0100
  Re: controlling a mains-powered oven Gordon Henderson <gordon+usenet@drogon.net> - 2015-12-20 10:15 +0000
  Re: controlling a mains-powered oven David <wibble@btintenet.com> - 2016-02-20 14:37 +0000
    Re: controlling a mains-powered oven Rob Morley <nospam@ntlworld.com> - 2016-02-20 14:53 +0000
    Re: controlling a mains-powered oven David <wibble@btintenet.com> - 2016-02-20 16:33 +0000
      Re: controlling a mains-powered oven Paul <paul@pcserviceselectronics.co.uk> - 2016-02-21 21:50 +0000

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