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1Password was installed in ~/Applications

Started byAlan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca>
First post2013-09-26 16:58 -0400
Last post2013-10-02 23:06 -0400
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  1Password was installed in ~/Applications Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-09-26 16:58 -0400
    Re: 1Password was installed in ~/Applications dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2013-09-27 09:35 +1200
      Re: 1Password was installed in ~/Applications Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-09-26 17:50 -0400
        Re: 1Password was installed in ~/Applications Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-09-30 17:04 +0200
          Re: 1Password was installed in ~/Applications Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-09-30 19:34 -0400
    Re: 1Password was installed in ~/Applications Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-09-26 15:20 -0700
      Re: 1Password was installed in ~/Applications Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-09-26 18:51 -0400
    Re: 1Password was installed in ~/Applications dcohenspam@talktalk.net (Daniel Cohen) - 2013-09-27 07:28 +0100
      Re: 1Password was installed in ~/Applications Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-09-28 07:44 -0400
        Re: 1Password was installed in ~/Applications dcohenspam@talktalk.net (Daniel Cohen) - 2013-09-29 00:58 +0100
          Re: 1Password was installed in ~/Applications Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-09-28 20:11 -0400
          Re: 1Password was installed in ~/Applications Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-06 18:51 -0400
    Re: 1Password was installed in ~/Applications me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2013-09-30 21:47 +0000
      Re: 1Password was installed in ~/Applications nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-30 18:22 -0400
      Re: 1Password was installed in ~/Applications Tom Stiller <tom_stiller@yahoo.com> - 2013-09-30 19:23 -0400
      Re: 1Password was installed in ~/Applications Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-09-30 19:30 -0400
        Re: 1Password was installed in ~/Applications Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-09-30 20:31 -0400
          Re: 1Password was installed in ~/Applications me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2013-10-01 01:49 +0000
            Re: 1Password was installed in ~/Applications Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-10-01 12:55 +0200
              Re: 1Password was installed in ~/Applications Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-10-01 11:12 -0400
                Re: 1Password was installed in ~/Applications Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-10-01 17:44 +0200
                  Re: 1Password was installed in ~/Applications Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-01 11:36 -0700
                    Re: 1Password was installed in ~/Applications Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-01 17:16 -0400
                      Re: 1Password was installed in ~/Applications Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-01 15:47 -0700
                    Re: 1Password was installed in ~/Applications Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-10-07 18:41 +0200
                      Re: 1Password was installed in ~/Applications Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-07 13:30 -0700
                        Re: 1Password was installed in ~/Applications Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-07 16:48 -0400
                        Re: 1Password was installed in ~/Applications Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-10-08 06:59 +0200
                          Re: 1Password was installed in ~/Applications Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-08 07:20 -0700
                          Re: 1Password was installed in ~/Applications Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-08 16:25 -0400
                            Re: 1Password was installed in ~/Applications Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-08 16:20 -0700
                              Re: 1Password was installed in ~/Applications George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2013-10-08 19:00 -0500
                                Re: 1Password was installed in ~/Applications Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-08 20:48 -0700
                                  Re: 1Password was installed in ~/Applications Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-10-10 16:35 +0200
                              Re: 1Password was installed in ~/Applications Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-08 20:33 -0400
                              Re: 1Password was installed in ~/Applications Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-10-10 16:10 +0200
                Re: 1Password was installed in ~/Applications Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-01 19:14 +0000
            Re: 1Password was installed in ~/Applications Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-01 16:54 -0400
          Re: 1Password was installed in ~/Applications Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-10-01 12:49 +0200
          Re: 1Password was installed in ~/Applications Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-01 16:59 -0400
            Re: 1Password was installed in ~/Applications nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-01 17:08 -0400
              Re: 1Password was installed in ~/Applications Jim Janney <jjanney@shell.xmission.com> - 2013-10-02 14:06 -0600
                Re: 1Password was installed in ~/Applications Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-10-02 19:58 -0400
                  Re: 1Password was installed in ~/Applications Jim Janney <jjanney@shell.xmission.com> - 2013-10-02 20:25 -0600
                    Re: 1Password was installed in ~/Applications Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-10-08 06:57 +0200
                  Re: 1Password was installed in ~/Applications nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-02 23:06 -0400

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#49247

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2013-10-01 17:08 -0400
Message-ID<011020131708577492%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#49244
In article <5pSdnRWB7IUoqtbPnZ2dnUVZ_smdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
<alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:

> >>>> As I'm auditing my iMac before transfer to a new machine I notice that
> >>>> 1Password is not installed in the system apps folder but in the user
> >>>> Apps folder ~/Applications
> >>>
> >>> How are people getting a user ~/Applications folder on their system?
> >>
> >> It's been a key location in UNIX since pretty much the start.
> >
> > OS X, maybe, but definitely not Unix in general.
> 
> Maybe with a different name - but seems to have always been a standard 
> in UNIX.
> 
> I recall back in the 80's coaching an engineer writing a thermal sim and 
> the admin on that system (UX) pointed us to or set us up with 
> object/executable being written to a folder in the user's directory 
> structure (whether it was called /Applications or somthing else, I don't 
> recall).

~/bin, which also exists on os x and would be where a command line tool
might go. 

os x also has the usual unix bin directories, /bin and /usr/bin.

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#49273

FromJim Janney <jjanney@shell.xmission.com>
Date2013-10-02 14:06 -0600
Message-ID<ydnzjqrjv4c.fsf@shell.xmission.com>
In reply to#49247
nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> writes:

> In article <5pSdnRWB7IUoqtbPnZ2dnUVZ_smdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
> <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>
>> >>>> As I'm auditing my iMac before transfer to a new machine I notice that
>> >>>> 1Password is not installed in the system apps folder but in the user
>> >>>> Apps folder ~/Applications
>> >>>
>> >>> How are people getting a user ~/Applications folder on their system?
>> >>
>> >> It's been a key location in UNIX since pretty much the start.
>> >
>> > OS X, maybe, but definitely not Unix in general.
>> 
>> Maybe with a different name - but seems to have always been a standard 
>> in UNIX.
>> 
>> I recall back in the 80's coaching an engineer writing a thermal sim and 
>> the admin on that system (UX) pointed us to or set us up with 
>> object/executable being written to a folder in the user's directory 
>> structure (whether it was called /Applications or somthing else, I don't 
>> recall).
>
> ~/bin, which also exists on os x and would be where a command line tool
> might go. 
>
> os x also has the usual unix bin directories, /bin and /usr/bin.

When I was using BSD Unix on a VAX, ~/bin was where I would put any
little scripts and customizations I liked to use.  Not too many, though,
because I'd lose them at the end of the semester.

File names were limited to 14 characters and by convention were rarely
capitalized.

-- 
Jim Janney

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#49276

FromBarry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu>
Date2013-10-02 19:58 -0400
Message-ID<barmar-248800.19580702102013@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#49273
In article <ydnzjqrjv4c.fsf@shell.xmission.com>,
 Jim Janney <jjanney@shell.xmission.com> wrote:

> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> writes:
> 
> > In article <5pSdnRWB7IUoqtbPnZ2dnUVZ_smdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
> > <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
> >
> >> >>>> As I'm auditing my iMac before transfer to a new machine I notice that
> >> >>>> 1Password is not installed in the system apps folder but in the user
> >> >>>> Apps folder ~/Applications
> >> >>>
> >> >>> How are people getting a user ~/Applications folder on their system?
> >> >>
> >> >> It's been a key location in UNIX since pretty much the start.
> >> >
> >> > OS X, maybe, but definitely not Unix in general.
> >> 
> >> Maybe with a different name - but seems to have always been a standard 
> >> in UNIX.
> >> 
> >> I recall back in the 80's coaching an engineer writing a thermal sim and 
> >> the admin on that system (UX) pointed us to or set us up with 
> >> object/executable being written to a folder in the user's directory 
> >> structure (whether it was called /Applications or somthing else, I don't 
> >> recall).
> >
> > ~/bin, which also exists on os x and would be where a command line tool
> > might go. 

I'm pretty sure nothing automatically creates ~/bin on OS X. I remember 
creating one for myself ages ago, but I just checked a vanilla account 
and it doesn't have one. And ~/bin isn't in the default PATH environment 
variable, I add it in my .bashrc.

That other account also doesn't have ~/Applications.

> >
> > os x also has the usual unix bin directories, /bin and /usr/bin.
> 
> When I was using BSD Unix on a VAX, ~/bin was where I would put any
> little scripts and customizations I liked to use.  Not too many, though,
> because I'd lose them at the end of the semester.
> 
> File names were limited to 14 characters and by convention were rarely
> capitalized.

IIRC, BSD removed the 14-character limitation that was in AT&T Unix at 
the time.

-- 
Barry Margolin, barmar@alum.mit.edu
Arlington, MA
*** PLEASE post questions in newsgroups, not directly to me ***

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#49277

FromJim Janney <jjanney@shell.xmission.com>
Date2013-10-02 20:25 -0600
Message-ID<ydnvc1fjdk8.fsf@shell.xmission.com>
In reply to#49276
Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> writes:

> In article <ydnzjqrjv4c.fsf@shell.xmission.com>,
>  Jim Janney <jjanney@shell.xmission.com> wrote:
>
>> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> writes:
>> 
>> > In article <5pSdnRWB7IUoqtbPnZ2dnUVZ_smdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
>> > <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>> >
>> >> >>>> As I'm auditing my iMac before transfer to a new machine I notice that
>> >> >>>> 1Password is not installed in the system apps folder but in the user
>> >> >>>> Apps folder ~/Applications
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> How are people getting a user ~/Applications folder on their system?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> It's been a key location in UNIX since pretty much the start.
>> >> >
>> >> > OS X, maybe, but definitely not Unix in general.
>> >> 
>> >> Maybe with a different name - but seems to have always been a standard 
>> >> in UNIX.
>> >> 
>> >> I recall back in the 80's coaching an engineer writing a thermal sim and 
>> >> the admin on that system (UX) pointed us to or set us up with 
>> >> object/executable being written to a folder in the user's directory 
>> >> structure (whether it was called /Applications or somthing else, I don't 
>> >> recall).
>> >
>> > ~/bin, which also exists on os x and would be where a command line tool
>> > might go. 
>
> I'm pretty sure nothing automatically creates ~/bin on OS X. I remember 
> creating one for myself ages ago, but I just checked a vanilla account 
> and it doesn't have one. And ~/bin isn't in the default PATH environment 
> variable, I add it in my .bashrc.
>
> That other account also doesn't have ~/Applications.
>
>> >
>> > os x also has the usual unix bin directories, /bin and /usr/bin.
>> 
>> When I was using BSD Unix on a VAX, ~/bin was where I would put any
>> little scripts and customizations I liked to use.  Not too many, though,
>> because I'd lose them at the end of the semester.
>> 
>> File names were limited to 14 characters and by convention were rarely
>> capitalized.
>
> IIRC, BSD removed the 14-character limitation that was in AT&T Unix at 
> the time.

Eventually yes, but I think not in 4.1.  But file names were still
something you typed, so there was an incentive to keep them short.

-- 
Jim Janney

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#49682

FromPaul Sture <nospam@sture.ch>
Date2013-10-08 06:57 +0200
Message-ID<nospam-B0CA65.06571108102013@news.chingola.ch>
In reply to#49277
In article <ydnvc1fjdk8.fsf@shell.xmission.com>,
 Jim Janney <jjanney@shell.xmission.com> wrote:

> Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> writes:
> >
> > IIRC, BSD removed the 14-character limitation that was in AT&T Unix at 
> > the time.
> 
> Eventually yes, but I think not in 4.1.  But file names were still
> something you typed, so there was an incentive to keep them short.

I recall learning in the early 1980s that COBOL supported 31(?) 
character variable names and wondering who on earth would use those.

The amount of typing apart, many of us were still using 80/132 character 
wide terminals, and punched cards were still a common medium for 
programs.  You wouldn't have been able to fit more than 2 such variables 
on a line.

-- 
Paul Sture

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#49278

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2013-10-02 23:06 -0400
Message-ID<021020132306568975%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#49276
In article <barmar-248800.19580702102013@news.eternal-september.org>,
Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote:

> > >> I recall back in the 80's coaching an engineer writing a thermal sim and 
> > >> the admin on that system (UX) pointed us to or set us up with 
> > >> object/executable being written to a folder in the user's directory 
> > >> structure (whether it was called /Applications or somthing else, I don't 
> > >> recall).
> > >
> > > ~/bin, which also exists on os x and would be where a command line tool
> > > might go. 
> 
> I'm pretty sure nothing automatically creates ~/bin on OS X. I remember 
> creating one for myself ages ago, but I just checked a vanilla account 
> and it doesn't have one. And ~/bin isn't in the default PATH environment 
> variable, I add it in my .bashrc.

~/bin and ~/Applications are not created automatically.

however, os x will stamp the latter with an icon if the folder is
there, and that started around 10.2 or 10.3 (not sure which). before
that it just looked like a generic folder.

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