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| Started by | JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> |
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| First post | 2020-08-10 04:52 -0400 |
| Last post | 2020-08-17 08:59 -0400 |
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Trivia Pixar computers JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-08-10 04:52 -0400
Re: Trivia Pixar computers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-10 08:02 -0400
Re: Trivia Pixar computers JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-08-11 02:49 -0400
Re: Trivia Pixar computers Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-08-11 07:13 +0000
Re: Trivia Pixar computers JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-08-11 14:04 -0400
Re: Trivia Pixar computers Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-08-11 20:39 +0000
Re: Trivia Pixar computers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-11 19:22 -0400
Re: Trivia Pixar computers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-11 09:39 -0400
Re: Trivia Pixar computers Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-08-11 09:50 -0700
Re: Trivia Pixar computers JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-08-11 14:08 -0400
Re: Trivia Pixar computers Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-08-11 20:37 +0000
Re: Trivia Pixar computers Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-08-11 17:02 -0700
Re: Trivia Pixar computers Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-08-12 12:27 +0000
Re: Trivia Pixar computers Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-08-12 08:09 -0700
Re: Trivia Pixar computers Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-08-12 21:29 +0000
Re: Trivia Pixar computers Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-08-12 14:34 -0700
Re: Trivia Pixar computers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-12 20:25 -0400
Re: Trivia Pixar computers JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-08-12 22:23 -0400
Re: Trivia Pixar computers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-12 22:43 -0400
Re: Trivia Pixar computers Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-08-12 19:52 -0700
Re: Trivia Pixar computers Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-08-13 04:26 +0000
Re: Trivia Pixar computers JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-08-13 02:44 -0400
Re: Trivia Pixar computers Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-08-13 08:10 +0000
Re: Trivia Pixar computers JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-08-13 19:15 -0400
Re: Trivia Pixar computers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-13 19:47 -0400
Re: Trivia Pixar computers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-08-14 00:33 +0000
Re: Trivia Pixar computers Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-08-14 03:40 +0000
Re: Trivia Pixar computers Wolffan <akwolffan@zoho.com> - 2020-08-17 08:45 -0400
Re: Trivia Pixar computers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-13 09:25 -0400
Re: Trivia Pixar computers Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-08-13 13:39 -0700
Re: Trivia Pixar computers JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-08-13 19:19 -0400
Re: Trivia Pixar computers Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-08-13 23:21 +0000
Re: Trivia Pixar computers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-13 19:47 -0400
Re: Trivia Pixar computers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-08-14 00:35 +0000
Re: Trivia Pixar computers Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-08-14 03:43 +0000
Re: Trivia Pixar computers Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-08-13 04:24 +0000
Re: Trivia Pixar computers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-11 19:22 -0400
Re: Trivia Pixar computers Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-08-11 16:58 -0700
Re: Trivia Pixar computers Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-08-12 12:32 +0000
Re: Trivia Pixar computers Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-08-12 08:10 -0700
Re: Trivia Pixar computers Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-08-12 21:32 +0000
Re: Trivia Pixar computers Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-08-12 14:36 -0700
Re: Trivia Pixar computers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-12 20:25 -0400
Re: Trivia Pixar computers JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-08-12 22:29 -0400
Re: Trivia Pixar computers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-12 22:43 -0400
Re: Trivia Pixar computers Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-08-13 04:29 +0000
Re: Trivia Pixar computers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-12 08:44 -0400
Re: Trivia Pixar computers Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2020-08-16 08:25 -0400
Re: Trivia Pixar computers Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-08-16 17:11 +0000
Re: Trivia Pixar computers Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2020-08-17 09:14 -0400
Re: Trivia Pixar computers Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-08-17 17:43 +0000
Re: Trivia Pixar computers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-16 14:17 -0400
Re: Trivia Pixar computers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-08-16 19:00 +0000
Re: Trivia Pixar computers Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-08-16 21:09 +0000
Re: Trivia Pixar computers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-08-17 01:14 +0000
Re: Trivia Pixar computers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-17 07:10 -0400
Re: Trivia Pixar computers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-08-17 21:45 +0000
Re: Trivia Pixar computers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-18 11:02 -0400
Re: Trivia Pixar computers JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-08-18 21:01 -0400
Re: Trivia Pixar computers Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-08-19 01:30 +0000
Re: Trivia Pixar computers Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-08-18 18:39 -0700
Re: Trivia Pixar computers Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-08-19 05:57 +0000
Re: Trivia Pixar computers Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-08-19 00:39 -0700
Re: Trivia Pixar computers Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-08-19 10:00 +0000
Re: Trivia Pixar computers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-19 06:34 -0400
Re: Trivia Pixar computers Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-08-19 10:57 -0700
Re: Trivia Pixar computers Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-08-19 20:29 +0000
Re: Trivia Pixar computers JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-08-19 16:49 -0400
Re: Trivia Pixar computers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-19 17:00 -0400
Re: Trivia Pixar computers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-08-19 21:05 +0000
Re: Trivia Pixar computers Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-08-20 03:36 +0000
Re: Trivia Pixar computers Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-08-19 21:28 -0700
Re: Trivia Pixar computers Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-08-19 10:56 -0700
Re: Trivia Pixar computers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-19 00:32 -0400
Re: Trivia Pixar computers Krzysztof Mitko <invalid@kmitko.at.list.dot.pl> - 2020-08-21 13:45 +0200
Re: Trivia Pixar computers JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-08-16 16:13 -0400
Re: Trivia Pixar computers Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-08-16 21:23 +0000
Re: Trivia Pixar computers Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2020-08-17 09:37 -0400
Re: Trivia Pixar computers Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-08-17 17:35 +0000
Re: Trivia Pixar computers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-17 13:46 -0400
Re: Trivia Pixar computers Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2020-08-17 09:27 -0400
Re: Trivia Pixar computers Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-08-17 17:48 +0000
Re: Trivia Pixar computers JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-08-17 14:56 -0400
Re: Trivia Pixar computers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-17 15:21 -0400
Re: Trivia Pixar computers JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-08-18 18:05 -0400
Re: Trivia Pixar computers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-19 00:32 -0400
Re: Trivia Pixar computers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-08-19 07:14 +0000
Re: Trivia Pixar computers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-19 06:34 -0400
Re: Trivia Pixar computers JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-08-19 05:58 -0400
Re: Trivia Pixar computers Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-08-19 10:11 +0000
Re: Trivia Pixar computers JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-08-19 16:45 -0400
Re: Trivia Pixar computers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-19 17:00 -0400
Re: Trivia Pixar computers JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-08-19 18:38 -0400
Re: Trivia Pixar computers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-19 18:58 -0400
Re: Trivia Pixar computers JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-08-19 23:51 -0400
Re: Trivia Pixar computers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-20 00:27 -0400
Re: Trivia Pixar computers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-08-20 06:12 +0000
Re: Trivia Pixar computers Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-08-20 08:25 +0000
Re: Trivia Pixar computers JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-08-22 21:39 -0400
Re: Trivia Pixar computers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-22 21:55 -0400
Re: Trivia Pixar computers JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-08-22 23:06 -0400
Re: Trivia Pixar computers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-22 23:48 -0400
Re: Trivia Pixar computers Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-08-23 22:36 -0700
Re: Trivia Pixar computers Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-08-23 06:22 +0000
Re: Trivia Pixar computers JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-08-23 04:41 -0400
Re: Trivia Pixar computers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-23 06:42 -0400
Re: Trivia Pixar computers Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-08-23 11:24 +0000
Re: Trivia Pixar computers JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-08-23 19:33 -0400
Re: Trivia Pixar computers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-23 21:11 -0400
Re: Trivia Pixar computers Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-08-24 13:11 +0000
Re: Trivia Pixar computers Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-08-23 06:21 +0000
Re: Trivia Pixar computers JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-08-23 04:34 -0400
Re: Trivia Pixar computers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-23 06:42 -0400
Re: Trivia Pixar computers JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-08-23 19:06 -0400
Re: Trivia Pixar computers Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-08-23 23:31 +0000
Re: Trivia Pixar computers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-23 21:11 -0400
Re: Trivia Pixar computers Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-08-23 11:19 +0000
Re: Trivia Pixar computers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-23 06:42 -0400
Re: Trivia Pixar computers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-19 06:34 -0400
Re: Trivia Pixar computers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-08-19 19:24 +0000
Re: Trivia Pixar computers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-19 16:35 -0400
Re: Trivia Pixar computers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-08-19 21:01 +0000
Re: Trivia Pixar computers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-19 18:58 -0400
Re: Trivia Pixar computers Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-08-19 20:42 +0000
Re: Trivia Pixar computers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-08-19 21:21 +0000
Re: Trivia Pixar computers JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-08-19 18:41 -0400
Re: Trivia Pixar computers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-19 18:58 -0400
Re: Trivia Pixar computers Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-08-20 03:31 +0000
Re: Trivia Pixar computers Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2020-08-16 08:03 -0400
Re: Trivia Pixar computers Calum <com.gmail@nospam.scottishwildcat> - 2020-08-10 14:16 +0100
Re: Trivia Pixar computers Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2020-08-11 10:04 +1200
Re: Trivia Pixar computers Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-08-11 07:14 +0000
Re: Trivia Pixar computers Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2020-08-16 08:31 -0400
Re: Trivia Pixar computers Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-08-16 17:13 +0000
Re: Trivia Pixar computers Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-08-10 08:20 -0700
Re: Trivia Pixar computers JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-08-11 03:07 -0400
Re: Trivia Pixar computers Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-08-11 17:12 -0700
Re: Trivia Pixar computers JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-08-12 00:59 -0400
Re: Trivia Pixar computers Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-08-11 22:23 -0700
Re: Trivia Pixar computers JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-08-12 19:28 -0400
Re: Trivia Pixar computers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-12 20:25 -0400
Re: Trivia Pixar computers Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-08-12 12:37 +0000
Re: Trivia Pixar computers Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2020-08-16 07:54 -0400
Re: Trivia Pixar computers Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-08-16 17:06 +0000
Re: Trivia Pixar computers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-16 14:17 -0400
Re: Trivia Pixar computers Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2020-08-17 08:59 -0400
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| From | Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> |
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| Date | 2020-08-18 18:39 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <rhhvt2$6j7$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #134082 |
On 2020-08-18 6:30 p.m., Lewis wrote: > In message <pR__G.354093$PN2.133602@fx48.iad> JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote: >> Apple has done a pretty good job of setting the standard of >> /Applications for where application "files" should be stored. But >> preferences are less obvious. > > No, Preferences are stored in the Preferences folder, either inside the > Library folder top level, or inside a Container folder in the Library. That's more than a little disingenuous, don't you think? While the files that meet the canonical definition of "preference" in macOS might live in those locations, it is trivial to note that there is an "Acrobat User Data" folder at the top level of my ~/Library... ...not to mention what is found in "Application Support" folder... in both "com.<company>..." format... ...and folders within that folder. > >> Unix has no standard, so many apps stored their prfs in ~/.something to >> make them hidden. > > No Mac apps, no. > >
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2020-08-19 05:57 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnrjpfqo.2u8q.g.kreme@ProMini.lan> |
| In reply to | #134083 |
In message <rhhvt2$6j7$1@dont-email.me> Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote: > On 2020-08-18 6:30 p.m., Lewis wrote: >> In message <pR__G.354093$PN2.133602@fx48.iad> JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote: >>> Apple has done a pretty good job of setting the standard of >>> /Applications for where application "files" should be stored. But >>> preferences are less obvious. >> >> No, Preferences are stored in the Preferences folder, either inside the >> Library folder top level, or inside a Container folder in the Library. > That's more than a little disingenuous, don't you think? No. > While the files that meet the canonical definition of "preference" in > macOS might live in those locations, it is trivial to note that there is > an "Acrobat User Data" folder at the top level of my ~/Library... Adobe is a shit developer and is banned on my systems. Their inability to not fuck things up is a prime reason for that ban. Their deep tentacles into the OS is another. > ...not to mention what is found in "Application Support" folder... Not preferences. -- A bartender is just a pharmacist with a limited inventory.
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| From | Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> |
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| Date | 2020-08-19 00:39 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <rhil0c$3cg$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #134086 |
On 2020-08-18 10:57 p.m., Lewis wrote: > In message <rhhvt2$6j7$1@dont-email.me> Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote: >> On 2020-08-18 6:30 p.m., Lewis wrote: >>> In message <pR__G.354093$PN2.133602@fx48.iad> JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote: >>>> Apple has done a pretty good job of setting the standard of >>>> /Applications for where application "files" should be stored. But >>>> preferences are less obvious. >>> >>> No, Preferences are stored in the Preferences folder, either inside the >>> Library folder top level, or inside a Container folder in the Library. > >> That's more than a little disingenuous, don't you think? > > No. > >> While the files that meet the canonical definition of "preference" in >> macOS might live in those locations, it is trivial to note that there is >> an "Acrobat User Data" folder at the top level of my ~/Library... > > Adobe is a shit developer and is banned on my systems. Their inability > to not fuck things up is a prime reason for that ban. Their deep > tentacles into the OS is another. > >> ...not to mention what is found in "Application Support" folder... > > Not preferences. > Congratulations! You have entirely missed the point!
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2020-08-19 10:00 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnrjpu1j.c1a.g.kreme@ProMini.lan> |
| In reply to | #134088 |
In message <rhil0c$3cg$1@dont-email.me> Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote: > On 2020-08-18 10:57 p.m., Lewis wrote: >> In message <rhhvt2$6j7$1@dont-email.me> Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote: >>> On 2020-08-18 6:30 p.m., Lewis wrote: >>>> In message <pR__G.354093$PN2.133602@fx48.iad> JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote: >>>>> Apple has done a pretty good job of setting the standard of >>>>> /Applications for where application "files" should be stored. But >>>>> preferences are less obvious. >>>> >>>> No, Preferences are stored in the Preferences folder, either inside the >>>> Library folder top level, or inside a Container folder in the Library. >> >>> That's more than a little disingenuous, don't you think? >> >> No. >> >>> While the files that meet the canonical definition of "preference" in >>> macOS might live in those locations, it is trivial to note that there is >>> an "Acrobat User Data" folder at the top level of my ~/Library... >> >> Adobe is a shit developer and is banned on my systems. Their inability >> to not fuck things up is a prime reason for that ban. Their deep >> tentacles into the OS is another. >> >>> ...not to mention what is found in "Application Support" folder... >> >> Not preferences. >> > Congratulations! > You have entirely missed the point! Nope. PREFERENCES ARE STORED IN THE PREFERENCES FOLDER. The preference folder may be the top level folder in Library, or the folder inside the Containers folders. -- My screesaver is tail -f /var/log/mail.log
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2020-08-19 06:34 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <190820200634243370%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #134090 |
In article <slrnrjpu1j.c1a.g.kreme@ProMini.lan>, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: > >>>>> Apple has done a pretty good job of setting the standard of > >>>>> /Applications for where application "files" should be stored. But > >>>>> preferences are less obvious. > >>>> > >>>> No, Preferences are stored in the Preferences folder, either inside the > >>>> Library folder top level, or inside a Container folder in the Library. > >> > >>> That's more than a little disingenuous, don't you think? > >> > >> No. > >> > >>> While the files that meet the canonical definition of "preference" in > >>> macOS might live in those locations, it is trivial to note that there is > >>> an "Acrobat User Data" folder at the top level of my ~/Library... > >> > >> Adobe is a shit developer and is banned on my systems. Their inability > >> to not fuck things up is a prime reason for that ban. Their deep > >> tentacles into the OS is another. > >> > >>> ...not to mention what is found in "Application Support" folder... > >> > >> Not preferences. > >> > > > Congratulations! > > > You have entirely missed the point! > > Nope. PREFERENCES ARE STORED IN THE PREFERENCES FOLDER. > > The preference folder may be the top level folder in Library, or the > folder inside the Containers folders. prefs *should* be stored in the preferences folder, however, apple can't control what app developers do.
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| From | Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> |
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| Date | 2020-08-19 10:57 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <rhjp6p$4uh$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #134093 |
On 2020-08-19 3:34 a.m., nospam wrote: > In article <slrnrjpu1j.c1a.g.kreme@ProMini.lan>, Lewis > <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: > >>>>>>> Apple has done a pretty good job of setting the standard of >>>>>>> /Applications for where application "files" should be stored. But >>>>>>> preferences are less obvious. >>>>>> >>>>>> No, Preferences are stored in the Preferences folder, either inside the >>>>>> Library folder top level, or inside a Container folder in the Library. >>>> >>>>> That's more than a little disingenuous, don't you think? >>>> >>>> No. >>>> >>>>> While the files that meet the canonical definition of "preference" in >>>>> macOS might live in those locations, it is trivial to note that there is >>>>> an "Acrobat User Data" folder at the top level of my ~/Library... >>>> >>>> Adobe is a shit developer and is banned on my systems. Their inability >>>> to not fuck things up is a prime reason for that ban. Their deep >>>> tentacles into the OS is another. >>>> >>>>> ...not to mention what is found in "Application Support" folder... >>>> >>>> Not preferences. >>>> >> >>> Congratulations! >> >>> You have entirely missed the point! >> >> Nope. PREFERENCES ARE STORED IN THE PREFERENCES FOLDER. >> >> The preference folder may be the top level folder in Library, or the >> folder inside the Containers folders. > > prefs *should* be stored in the preferences folder, however, apple > can't control what app developers do. > Precisely.
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2020-08-19 20:29 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnrjr2tq.1ib4.g.kreme@ProMini.lan> |
| In reply to | #134093 |
In message <190820200634243370%nospam@nospam.invalid> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote: > In article <slrnrjpu1j.c1a.g.kreme@ProMini.lan>, Lewis > <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: >> >>>>> Apple has done a pretty good job of setting the standard of >> >>>>> /Applications for where application "files" should be stored. But >> >>>>> preferences are less obvious. >> >>>> >> >>>> No, Preferences are stored in the Preferences folder, either inside the >> >>>> Library folder top level, or inside a Container folder in the Library. >> >> >> >>> That's more than a little disingenuous, don't you think? >> >> >> >> No. >> >> >> >>> While the files that meet the canonical definition of "preference" in >> >>> macOS might live in those locations, it is trivial to note that there is >> >>> an "Acrobat User Data" folder at the top level of my ~/Library... >> >> >> >> Adobe is a shit developer and is banned on my systems. Their inability >> >> to not fuck things up is a prime reason for that ban. Their deep >> >> tentacles into the OS is another. >> >> >> >>> ...not to mention what is found in "Application Support" folder... >> >> >> >> Not preferences. >> >> >> >> > Congratulations! >> >> > You have entirely missed the point! >> >> Nope. PREFERENCES ARE STORED IN THE PREFERENCES FOLDER. >> >> The preference folder may be the top level folder in Library, or the >> folder inside the Containers folders. > prefs *should* be stored in the preferences folder, however, apple > can't control what app developers do. It's a rare app that fucks this up though. Adobe, I assume. Google, of course. But there are 531 preferences files in ~/Library/Preferences/ and 165 in ~/Library/Containers/*/Data/Library/Preferences. -- There's no such thing as too much chocolate.
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| From | JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> |
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| Date | 2020-08-19 16:49 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <pfg%G.408701$DO2.313111@fx45.iad> |
| In reply to | #134093 |
On 2020-08-19 06:34, nospam wrote: > > prefs *should* be stored in the preferences folder, however, apple > can't control what app developers do. So not in Application Suport then ? Some products have stuff in both Preferences and application support. There should have been a single directory where an application had its own directory to store user specific data and preferences.
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2020-08-19 17:00 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <190820201700485208%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #134102 |
In article <pfg%G.408701$DO2.313111@fx45.iad>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote: > > prefs *should* be stored in the preferences folder, however, apple > > can't control what app developers do. > > So not in Application Suport then ? nope. that's for application support files, thus its name. examples of app support files includes templates, shared libraries, custom fonts, etc. > Some products have stuff in both Preferences and application support. > > There should have been a single directory where an application had its > own directory to store user specific data and preferences. nope, because they're two different things and should go into two different places.
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2020-08-19 21:05 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <hq5ihbFpb2eU11@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #134102 |
On Aug 19, 2020 at 1:49:25 PM MST, "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote: > On 2020-08-19 06:34, nospam wrote: > >> >> prefs *should* be stored in the preferences folder, however, apple >> can't control what app developers do. > > So not in Application Suport then ? Correct. Application Support does not hold preferences but instead things like data the app might use. It is especially useful when you have a suite of software all looking for the same resources. > Some products have stuff in both Preferences and application support. > > There should have been a single directory where an application had its > own directory to store user specific data and preferences. This would have made the Preferences folder either buried deeper or more cluttered. What used to happen (and sometimes still does) is that companies such as Adobe and others would have their own folders in the "System" folder on Classic Mac. On macOS they created a folder to allow companies to have such a folder in the Library folder... with limited success. -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2020-08-20 03:36 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnrjrrtv.2b36.g.kreme@ProMini.lan> |
| In reply to | #134102 |
In message <pfg%G.408701$DO2.313111@fx45.iad> JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote: > On 2020-08-19 06:34, nospam wrote: >> >> prefs *should* be stored in the preferences folder, however, apple >> can't control what app developers do. > So not in Application Suport then ? > Some products have stuff in both Preferences and application support. You are very confused. A random file that the application has is not a "preference file". WTF is wrong with you. > There should have been a single directory where an application had its > own directory to store user specific data and preferences. That is how it is now. That folder is Library/Containers/ -- What would be the point of cyphering messages that very clever enemies couldn't break? You'd end up not knowing what they thought you thought they were thinking... --The Fifth Elephant
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| From | Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> |
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| Date | 2020-08-19 21:28 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <rhku5j$v14$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #134117 |
On 2020-08-19 8:36 p.m., Lewis wrote: > In message <pfg%G.408701$DO2.313111@fx45.iad> JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote: >> On 2020-08-19 06:34, nospam wrote: > >>> >>> prefs *should* be stored in the preferences folder, however, apple >>> can't control what app developers do. > >> So not in Application Suport then ? > > >> Some products have stuff in both Preferences and application support. > > You are very confused. A random file that the application has is not a > "preference file". WTF is wrong with you. Nothing prevents an application from putting preferences wherever the coders want; nothing beyond normal file permissions. > >> There should have been a single directory where an application had its >> own directory to store user specific data and preferences. > > That is how it is now. That folder is Library/Containers/ > > >
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| From | Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> |
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| Date | 2020-08-19 10:56 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <rhjp45$4uh$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #134090 |
On 2020-08-19 3:00 a.m., Lewis wrote: > In message <rhil0c$3cg$1@dont-email.me> Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote: >> On 2020-08-18 10:57 p.m., Lewis wrote: >>> In message <rhhvt2$6j7$1@dont-email.me> Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote: >>>> On 2020-08-18 6:30 p.m., Lewis wrote: >>>>> In message <pR__G.354093$PN2.133602@fx48.iad> JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote: >>>>>> Apple has done a pretty good job of setting the standard of >>>>>> /Applications for where application "files" should be stored. But >>>>>> preferences are less obvious. >>>>> >>>>> No, Preferences are stored in the Preferences folder, either inside the >>>>> Library folder top level, or inside a Container folder in the Library. >>> >>>> That's more than a little disingenuous, don't you think? >>> >>> No. >>> >>>> While the files that meet the canonical definition of "preference" in >>>> macOS might live in those locations, it is trivial to note that there is >>>> an "Acrobat User Data" folder at the top level of my ~/Library... >>> >>> Adobe is a shit developer and is banned on my systems. Their inability >>> to not fuck things up is a prime reason for that ban. Their deep >>> tentacles into the OS is another. >>> >>>> ...not to mention what is found in "Application Support" folder... >>> >>> Not preferences. >>> > >> Congratulations! > >> You have entirely missed the point! > > Nope. PREFERENCES ARE STORED IN THE PREFERENCES FOLDER. > > The preference folder may be the top level folder in Library, or the > folder inside the Containers folders. > No. Preferences are MOSTLY stored in the preferences folder... ...but applications can be coded to put what the application uses for its preferences ANYWHERE THE USER CAN WRITE FILES.
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2020-08-19 00:32 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <190820200032139886%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #134081 |
In article <pR__G.354093$PN2.133602@fx48.iad>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote: > While an application is free to have its preferences fiels anywhere it > wants, no it doesn't. > generally operating systems provide some standards of where > preferences should be stored. (and in the case of IOS, the app is more > dansboxed so has to follow standards). yep. > OS-X has a confusing set of locations. no it doesn't. > in ~/Library, some apps have their own directory, some in Application > Support, some in Preferences. And then there are the system-wide > equivalents in /Library and /System/Library. nothing about that is confusing. they're all very clearly named for their purpose. > This matters when you want to reset an application, or delete it and > have no idea where its preferences are stored. (gets worse with Adobe > CS6 where the licence is stored under another company's name). licensing and preferences are not the same and it's trivial to reset adobe apps. > Apple has done a pretty good job of setting the standard of > /Applications for where application "files" should be stored. But > preferences are less obvious. wrong. it's very obvious. > No OS ios perfect. I this Windows had done he registry thing which was > very organized but a hell to manage. the registry is a complete clusterfuck. > Unix has no standard, so many apps stored their prfs in ~/.something to > make them hidden. that's the standard.
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| From | Krzysztof Mitko <invalid@kmitko.at.list.dot.pl> |
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| Date | 2020-08-21 13:45 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <5f3fb3c1$0$31100$65785112@news.neostrada.pl> |
| In reply to | #134081 |
On 19/08/2020 03:01, JF Mezei wrote: > On 2020-08-18 11:02, nospam wrote: > >> the only thing the os does is provide a list of documents to the app >> upon launch, if any, which occurs in both classic mac os and mac os x. >> >> at that point, it's up to the app how to handle it. prefs files would >> need to be special cased, versus simply opening a normal user document. > > > While an application is free to have its preferences fiels anywhere it > wants, generally operating systems provide some standards of where > preferences should be stored. (and in the case of IOS, the app is more > dansboxed so has to follow standards). > > OS-X has a confusing set of locations. > in ~/Library, some apps have their own directory, some in Application > Support, some in Preferences. There are guidelines on where to put your stuff. https://developer.apple.com/library/archive/documentation/FileManagement/Conceptual/FileSystemProgrammingGuide/MacOSXDirectories/MacOSXDirectories.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP40010672-CH10-SW1 But if some programmer is really stubborn and doesn't want to stick to the best practices, you can't really force them. > And then there are the system-wide > equivalents in /Library and /System/Library. > > This matters when you want to reset an application, or delete it and > have no idea where its preferences are stored. (gets worse with Adobe > CS6 where the licence is stored under another company's name). > > > Apple has done a pretty good job of setting the standard of > /Applications for where application "files" should be stored. But > preferences are less obvious. > > No OS ios perfect. I this Windows had done he registry thing which was > very organized but a hell to manage. …and still some applications stored preferences in *.ini files in random places. > Unix has no standard, so many apps stored their prfs in ~/.something to > make them hidden. -- Chemical engineers do it in packed beds.
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| From | JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> |
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| Date | 2020-08-16 16:13 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <Vrg_G.160232$Av7.133087@fx34.iad> |
| In reply to | #134045 |
On 2020-08-16 08:25, Bud Frede wrote: > At the time that I was given a copy of OPENSTEP, there wasn't a NeXTSTEP > being sold. OPENSTEP was the product and it was what they called the > OS. NeXT went from NextSTEP running on 68k, started porting to PowerPC, then to 486. NeXT then stopped selling hardware. NeXT then stopped NeXTStEP operating system, extracted the UI and APIS and packaged them as OpenSTEp to be sold to a variety of customers (banks, and a few computer companies). OPENstep was not an operating system, but t came from NextStep. Apple bought NeXT and resurrrected NEXTStep because it needed a core operating system that supported multitasking etc. It used the OpenStep improvments made since NexTSTEP was stopped, and also ported the MacOS classic APIs to the powerPC version that would be commercialised as OS-X. A lot fo the OS-X operating systems and default applcations such as Preview came from NexTStep/openStep and those were already available on a number of CPU platforms.
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2020-08-16 21:23 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnrjj8ud.2bon.g.kreme@ProMini.lan> |
| In reply to | #134059 |
In message <Vrg_G.160232$Av7.133087@fx34.iad> JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote: > On 2020-08-16 08:25, Bud Frede wrote: >> At the time that I was given a copy of OPENSTEP, there wasn't a NeXTSTEP >> being sold. OPENSTEP was the product and it was what they called the >> OS. > NeXT went from NextSTEP running on 68k, started porting to PowerPC, > then to 486. Next ported from 68K to x86. They oly started working n powerpc. The way you phrased it, as is usual for you, very misleading as you are implying they started power pc and started x86. > Apple bought NeXT and resurrrected NEXTStep No. NextStep was not resurrected. That is just flat out false. Rhapsody was OpenStep running bits of OS 8 and some other stuff that was intended to be the the next server OS, but it failed. It was NEVER NextStep, it was OpenStep. Now, Open Step was largely NextStep, but the important difference is important here in that it was a set of APIs and NOT an OS. > because it needed a core operating system that supported multitasking > etc. It used the OpenStep improvments made since NexTSTEP was > stopped, and also ported the MacOS > classic APIs to the powerPC version that would be commercialised as OS-X. And, again, you are mostly wrong. OS X was not rhapsody either, and it was not NextStep. And it is not even OpenStep. The OS was OS X which ran on Darwin. Darwin included numerous technologies including a lot of OpenStep, Quartz, Carbon, and more. The core OS is a mach-based Unix named darwin (and that is still the case today). Not NextSTep. Not Nextstep resurrected nor continued. Mac OS X (macOS) was something quite new and very much unlike other consumer OSes in that it subscribed much more to the Unix ethos of having the OS be extremely modular. When Apple moved away from Carbon, this was relatively easy to do because the OS had been built to have bits removed, When Apple needed an OS for their phone, tablet, and watch, it was OS X because of that modularity. > A lot fo the OS-X operating systems and default applcations such as > Preview came from NexTStep/openStep and those were already available on > a number of CPU platforms. This is bullshit. -- The night is always old. He'd walked too often down dark streets in the secret hours and felt the night stretching away, and known in his blood that while days and kings and empires come and go, the night is always the same age, always aeons deep. Terrors unfolded in the velvet shadows and while the nature of the talons may change, the nature of the beast does not. --Jingo
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| From | Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> |
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| Date | 2020-08-17 09:37 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <1Kv_G.160845$Av7.36810@fx34.iad> |
| In reply to | #134061 |
Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> writes: > In message <Vrg_G.160232$Av7.133087@fx34.iad> JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote: > >> Apple bought NeXT and resurrrected NEXTStep > > No. NextStep was not resurrected. That is just flat out false. > > Rhapsody was OpenStep running bits of OS 8 and some other stuff that was > intended to be the the next server OS, but it failed. It was NEVER > NextStep, it was OpenStep. > What I understood at the time was that Rhapsody was the successor to original Mac OS. They released a server-oriented version of Rhapsody that was sort of a technology preview and then shifted their direction. I kind of thought that it was partly because Jobs had promised that "Rhapsody will run on all currently shipping Macs," but then they realized that they needed to up the hardware specs, so they rebranded Rhapsody as Mac OS X. "Rhapsody" did run all those older Macs, while the actual successor did not.
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2020-08-17 17:35 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnrjlfvq.1s09.g.kreme@ProMini.lan> |
| In reply to | #134069 |
In message <1Kv_G.160845$Av7.36810@fx34.iad> Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> wrote: > Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> writes: >> In message <Vrg_G.160232$Av7.133087@fx34.iad> JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote: >> >>> Apple bought NeXT and resurrrected NEXTStep >> >> No. NextStep was not resurrected. That is just flat out false. >> >> Rhapsody was OpenStep running bits of OS 8 and some other stuff that was >> intended to be the the next server OS, but it failed. It was NEVER >> NextStep, it was OpenStep. >> > What I understood at the time was that Rhapsody was the successor to > original Mac OS. They released a server-oriented version of Rhapsody > that was sort of a technology preview Yes, a preview of what was coming to the consumer Mac as well. Rhapsody was intended to be the new OS, a sort of hybrid Mac OS 8/OpenStep shoved into a box and tied down with baling wire and cinch straps. It was abandoned and a new direction that was much more of a "we’re going to write a new OS and make it work with the old stuff with an app that will run a mac os 9 (well, 9 by then) OS inside of it, away from all the new stuff and provide tools to make it easy to move to the new OS with a minimum of effort." > and then shifted their direction. I kind of thought that it was partly > because Jobs had promised that "Rhapsody will run on all currently > shipping Macs," but then they realized that they needed to up the > hardware specs, so they rebranded Rhapsody as Mac OS X. "Rhapsody" did > run all those older Macs, while the actual successor did not. Rhapsody was not Jobs, it was Amelio. But I don't think that was the reason, since OS X represented a completely new OS than Rhapsody. The biggest difference was that moving code from Mac OS 8 to Rhapsody was much more difficult and required, essentially, a complete rewrite. Companies were not going to do that, and they told Apple so. OS X represented a much more accessible path to developers updating. Look up "yellow box" if you want a reminder of what a cluster-fuck Rhapsody was, Sure, it *sounded* good until you really looked at what it meant. And what it meant, frankly, was the end of the Mac. OS X ran on a lot of hardware (and far more than Apple certified). I had a server running 10.0 and 10.1 and MAYBE 10.2 that was supposedly incapable or running OS X at all. Granted, it had a lot more memory that the spec claimed was allowed too. And maybe an upgraded CPU, and it was slow. But it ran. -- You only had to look into Teatime's mismatched eyes to know one thing, which was this: if Teatime wanted to find you he would not look everywhere. He'd look in only one place, which would be the place where you were hiding. --Hogfather
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2020-08-17 13:46 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <170820201346594493%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #134069 |
In article <1Kv_G.160845$Av7.36810@fx34.iad>, Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> wrote: > >> Apple bought NeXT and resurrrected NEXTStep > > > > No. NextStep was not resurrected. That is just flat out false. > > > > Rhapsody was OpenStep running bits of OS 8 and some other stuff that was > > intended to be the the next server OS, but it failed. It was NEVER > > NextStep, it was OpenStep. > > > > What I understood at the time was that Rhapsody was the successor to > original Mac OS. you understand wrong. rhapsody was the successor to openstep 4.x. the plan was to kill off the original mac os. developers told apple in no uncertain terms that they would not rewrite their apps for rhapsody, which would spell the end of the mac. apple said it was impossible to combine the two (well, one person in particular). adobe said nope, you're wrong, not only is it possible, but here's how to do it.
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