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Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs

Started byJF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>
First post2020-06-27 16:49 -0400
Last post2020-07-04 20:31 +0000
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  Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-06-27 16:49 -0400
    Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-06-27 17:07 -0400
      Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-06-27 22:33 +0000
        Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-06-28 02:45 +0000
    Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-06-27 17:19 -0400
      Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-06-27 17:48 -0400
        Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-06-27 17:53 -0400
          Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-06-27 22:35 +0000
            Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-01 15:09 +0000
              Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-01 11:02 -0700
    Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2020-06-27 18:02 -0400
      Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-06-27 22:36 +0000
        Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2020-06-28 06:22 -0400
          Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-06-28 16:26 +0000
            Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-03 03:51 +0000
              Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-02 20:58 -0700
              Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-07-03 02:31 -0400
                Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-03 11:19 +0000
                Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-03 08:29 -0400
                  Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-04 04:06 +0000
                    Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-03 21:13 -0700
                      Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2020-07-04 01:56 -0400
                        Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-04 00:02 -0700
                          Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2020-07-04 03:49 -0400
                            Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-04 01:13 -0700
                            Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-07-04 12:50 +0000
                              Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-04 16:24 +0000
                                Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-04 09:41 -0700
                              Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2020-07-04 14:01 -0400
                                Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-04 14:07 -0400
                                Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-04 18:35 +0000
                                Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2020-07-04 15:16 -0400
                                Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-07-04 17:08 -0400
                            Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2020-07-04 07:23 -0700
                              Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-04 11:03 -0400
                                Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-04 16:08 +0000
                                  Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-04 09:16 -0700
                                    Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2020-07-04 15:19 -0400
                                      Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-04 19:36 +0000
                                        Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-04 21:07 +0000
                                        Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-04 14:11 -0700
                                          Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-07-05 03:18 +0000
                                            Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-05 04:02 +0000
                                              Arlen is utterly unmoved by facts Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-04 21:48 -0700
                                      Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-04 15:47 -0400
                                      Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-04 14:07 -0700
                                        Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-04 17:12 -0400
                                          Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-04 14:15 -0700
                                            Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-04 17:22 -0400
                                              Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Rene Lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca> - 2020-07-04 16:25 -0500
                                              Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-04 14:41 -0700
                                              Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-04 21:45 +0000
                                                Arlen makes yet another explicit claim... (wasRe: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs You know who! <no@body.net> - 2020-07-04 14:49 -0700
                                            Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-07-05 03:14 +0000
                                      Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2020-07-09 18:34 -0700
                                        Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-09 21:52 -0400
                                          Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-10 02:56 +0000
                                            Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-09 20:38 -0700
                                              Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2020-07-11 15:24 +1200
                                                Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-10 23:35 -0400
                                                  Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-11 04:24 +0000
                                                    Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-11 04:36 +0000
                                                    Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-11 10:40 -0700
                                                  Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2020-07-12 12:55 +1200
                                                    Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-12 01:10 +0000
                                                    Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-11 22:36 -0400
                                                      Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-12 04:17 +0000
                                                        Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2020-07-13 16:16 +1200
                                                          Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-13 05:43 +0000
                                                            Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2020-07-13 21:55 +1200
                                                              Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs delvon daily <delvondaily@example.com> - 2020-07-13 14:37 -0700
                                                                OT: Why must Arlen nymshift? (was Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-13 15:13 -0700
                                                                Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2020-07-14 16:07 +1200
                                                                  Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-14 01:22 -0400
                                                                    Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2020-07-14 21:12 +1200
                                                                      Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-14 19:27 -0400
                                                                        Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2020-07-15 11:59 +1200
                                                                          Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-14 22:54 -0400
                                                                            Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2020-07-16 16:37 +1200
                                                                              Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-16 18:10 -0400
                                                                                Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2020-07-17 13:29 +1200
                                                                                  Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-16 21:45 -0400
                                                                                    Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2020-07-18 22:14 +1200
                                                                                      Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-18 11:50 -0400
                                                                                        Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2020-07-19 16:07 +1200
                                                                                          Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-19 08:17 -0400
                                                                                            Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2020-07-19 14:34 +0200
                                                                                            Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2020-07-20 16:49 +1200
                                                                                              Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-21 11:31 -0400
                                                                                                Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2020-07-22 12:47 +1200
                                                                                                  Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-21 21:02 -0400
                                                                                  Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-07-17 06:41 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2020-07-18 22:15 +1200
                                                                                      Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-18 11:50 -0400
                                                                                        Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2020-07-19 16:11 +1200
                                                                                          Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-19 08:17 -0400
                                                                                            Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2020-07-20 16:51 +1200
                                                                                              Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-21 11:31 -0400
                                                                  Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2020-07-18 07:18 -0700
                                                                    Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-18 11:50 -0400
                                                                      Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2020-07-18 21:47 +0200
                                                Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-11 04:51 +0000
                                                  Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs John Michael <tonymayo43@gmail.com> - 2020-07-11 01:30 -0400
                                                    Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-11 05:55 +0000
                                                      Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-11 05:59 +0000
                                                    Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-14 10:11 +0000
                                                    Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-15 17:14 +0000
                                              Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: xxxxx is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2020-07-18 08:37 -0700
                                                Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: xxxxx is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-07-18 18:31 +0000
                                                  Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: xxxxx is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-18 21:01 +0000
                                                Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: xxxxx is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-18 20:54 +0000
                                        Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2020-07-10 15:21 +1200
                                          Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-09 20:30 -0700
                                            Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-09 23:36 -0400
                                              Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-09 20:42 -0700
                                            Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2020-07-10 15:44 +1200
                                              Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-10 04:18 +0000
                                                Arlen is a liar. Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs For a friend <notyou@yes.yes> - 2020-07-09 21:35 -0700
                                                  Re: Arlen is a liar. Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2020-07-10 01:04 -0400
                                                    Re: Arlen is a liar. Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-09 22:06 -0700
                                                      Re: Arlen is a liar. Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2020-07-10 01:27 -0400
                                                        Re: Arlen is a liar. Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-09 23:13 -0700
                                                        Re: Arlen is a liar. Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-10 14:20 +0000
                                                          Re: Arlen is a liar. Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-10 10:09 -0700
                                                            Re: Arlen is a liar. Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2020-07-11 15:18 +1200
                                                              Re: Arlen is a liar. Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-11 05:00 +0000
                                                              Re: Arlen is a liar. Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-10 22:34 -0700
                                                                Re: Arlen is a liar. Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2020-07-12 12:54 +1200
                                                                Re: Arlen is a liar. Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-07-12 04:22 +0000
                                                                  Re: Arlen is a liar. Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-12 06:07 +0000
                                                    Re: Arlen is a liar. Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2020-07-10 18:47 +1200
                                                      Re: Arlen is a liar. Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-10 14:27 +0000
                                                    Re: Arlen is a liar. Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-10 14:13 +0000
                                          Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-09 23:36 -0400
                                    Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2020-07-05 10:09 +1200
                                      Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-04 15:10 -0700
                                      Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-04 23:29 +0000
                                  Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-07-04 16:56 -0400
                                    Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-04 21:36 +0000
                              Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2020-07-05 10:06 +1200
                                Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-04 23:23 +0000
                                  How is it that Arlen can be this thick? Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs He really has no clue <none@all.com> - 2020-07-04 16:52 -0700
                                  Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Kees Nuyt <k.nuyt@nospam.demon.nl> - 2020-07-05 03:25 +0200
                                    Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-05 03:08 +0000
                                    Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-04 20:27 -0700
                        Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-04 17:21 +0000
                          Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-07-04 16:59 -0400
                            Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-04 17:12 -0400
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    Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-06-27 22:30 +0000
      Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-06-27 19:08 -0400
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        Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-06-28 02:19 +0000
          Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-06-28 00:37 -0400
            Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-06-28 16:20 +0000
              Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-06-28 12:52 -0400
                Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-06-28 21:30 +0000
                  Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-06-29 16:45 -0400
                    Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-06-30 04:21 +0000
                      Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-01 02:56 +0000
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        Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-06-28 00:26 +0000
        Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-06-28 00:30 +0000
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                Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2020-06-29 19:14 +0000
                  Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-06-29 21:16 +0000
                Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-06-29 19:41 +0000
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                    Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-06-29 13:53 -0700
                    Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-06-29 21:16 +0000
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                    Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-06-30 04:19 +0000
                      Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-06-30 04:31 +0000
                      Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2020-07-01 10:06 -0400
                        Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-07-01 16:21 +0000
                          Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-01 16:56 +0000
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                            Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-07-01 19:13 +0000
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                                  Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-03 11:47 +0000
                                    Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-03 09:11 -0700
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                                        Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-03 10:29 -0700
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                                            Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2020-07-04 10:32 -0400
                                              Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-04 23:43 +0000
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                                                  Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-05 15:52 +0000
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                                            Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-07-05 17:14 -0400
                                      Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-07-03 16:26 -0400
                                        Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-03 16:50 -0400
                                          Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-07-03 21:17 +0000
                                        Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-03 13:55 -0700
                              Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2020-07-01 15:46 -0400
                                Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-01 12:51 -0700
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                                  Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-03 01:11 -0700
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                                        Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-07-04 00:31 +0000
                                          Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-03 20:54 -0400
                                            Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-07-04 03:18 +0000
                                              Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-03 23:50 -0400
                                                Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-07-04 12:40 +0000
                                                Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2020-07-04 10:34 -0400
                                                  Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-04 11:03 -0400
                                                    Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-05 16:00 +0000
                                        Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-07-04 16:19 -0400
                                          Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-07-04 20:27 +0000
                                            Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-05 16:46 +0000
                                            Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-07-05 17:49 -0400
                                              Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-07-06 02:09 +0000
                                  Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-07-03 14:41 +0000
                        Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-01 10:33 -0700
                          Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-07-01 19:15 +0000
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#133247

FromAlan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no>
Date2020-07-04 14:18 -0700
Message-ID<rdqrng$bed$4@dont-email.me>
In reply to#133228
On 2020-07-04 12:43 p.m., JF Mezei wrote:
> On 2020-07-03 13:21, Lewis wrote:
> 
>>> Apple has a license for the ARM ARCHITECTURE and that means Apple
>>> designs its own chips.
>>
>> Even simple words are beyond his poor brain's ability to process.
> 
> 
> Please define "ARM ARCHITECTURE".

In what way is it unclear?

> 
> It does not state a license to use the ARM instruction set.

Yes: that is precisely what it states.

> 
> Here is a hint: ARM Inc engineeres managed to design logica that greatly
> reduced power consumption. This is what has made the ARM architecture so
> attractive for modern portable devices.  There is more to an
> architecture than just the name given to each opcode in the instruction
> set and what arguments they take.



> 
> If you think Apple ditched everything but the instruction set, you are
> mistaken. Just because they are the ones to design the actual chip and
> where each transistor/diode goes does not mean that they ignore higher
> level designs that come with the architecture.

You assume a knowledge of things you don't understand.

'Architectural licensees get a set of specs and a testing suite that 
they have to pass, the rest is up to them.'

<https://semiaccurate.com/2013/08/07/a-long-look-at-how-arm-licenses-chips/>

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#133314

FromJF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>
Date2020-07-05 17:14 -0400
Message-ID<PorMG.44059$GQ4.16139@fx02.iad>
In reply to#133247
On 2020-07-04 17:18, Alan Baker wrote:

> 'Architectural licensees get a set of specs and a testing suite that 
> they have to pass, the rest is up to them.'
> 
> <https://semiaccurate.com/2013/08/07/a-long-look-at-how-arm-licenses-chips/>


Define "specs".


Specs could range from just the list of opcodes an arguments, to having
the general logic at the AND/XOR/NOR/OR level for each instruction.
Specs could also include pipelining and other performance enhancing
features,  power mamagement etc.

AMD reverse engineered the 8086 and built its own implementation and
then trhough legal means got Intel to stop suing it for implementing an
8086 architecture.

Similarly, Compaq developed a clone of the IBM BIOS so it could build PC
clones that booted DOS the same way.  Got sued by IBM and won because
IBM was deemed to have monopoly.

Apple is different from those because it didn't reverse engineer on its
own and then ask not to be sued. It evolved its relationship.



Apple got its architectural licence from the start of the Axx project in
2008. It initially got Samsung to build Cortex based cores with
Apple-decided bells and whistles (how much RAM and what not embedded
into the SoC).

The A4 and A5s were based on Cortex cores (despite Apple having signed
in 2008 architectuiral licence.  Cortex cores are silocone designed by
ARM which they "place" onto their own wafer design to connect to all the
other peripherals and RAM of their choosing).

A6 is the first one whose core isn't directly from ARM (Swift).
A7 is the first core implementing 64 bit ARMv8 (core name Cyclone).

What you omit from your arguments is that ARM also sells single use
licences for its cores at various levels.

So it is entirely possible that from a time to market point of view, the
first 64 bit chip from Apple was derived from a Cottex core with one
time licence which Apple had the rights to tweak AND use the IP in that
core design forever and with each subsequent release, Apple made changes
to the core design to increase performance.

Similarly, when Apple went from using Cortex in A5 to Swift in A6, it is
very likely that Swift was an evolution from Cortex A9 instead of being
designed from scratch. Consider the business case of designing a whole
new implementaion of a 32 biut archirtecture when you know it will last
only one year before the 64 bit one comes along.


So what this means is that despite the core licence granting generic
(not procicely publicly defined) usage rights to ARM designs, it is
quite possible that Apple purchased one time rights to certain designs
in order to have the rights to use that IP and evolve from there.

Remember that when you get a new chip out every year, you can't
re-invent the wheel every year.


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#133177

FromJF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>
Date2020-07-03 16:26 -0400
Message-ID<GvMLG.95263$eN2.8613@fx47.iad>
In reply to#133166
On 2020-07-03 12:11, Alan Baker wrote:
> Apple has a license for the ARM ARCHITECTURE and that means Apple 
> designs its own chips.

"designs its own chip" is a very very very vague statement which you
refuse to fully specicy.

designing a chip can range from develooping an instruction set all the
way to deciding on the colour of the logo to be printed on the black chip.

There are a LOT of steps in between and they are very significant.

Consider that for the first 64 bit Axx, Apple was first to market.  It
wouldn't have been first to market had it designed the chip from scratch
while Qualcomm could have based its design on the ready-made core designs.


This isn't a binary question, it is a question of how much of the chip
is designed by Apple, and how much is drawn from designs done by ARM.
Design happens at many levels.

There is no debate that what Apple sends to TMSC or others to be FABbed
is done by Apple. the masks that indicate where each component
(transistor, diodes etc) are placed is definitely done by Apple as these
are specific to the targer mask size.

There is no debate that Apple adds to the silicone wafer not only the
ARM cores, but also the Secure Enclave, Neural Engine and what not.

However, the logic of an individual ARM CPU core is a grey area as it is
entirely possible Apple uses the ARM logic (whether at the
AND/NAN/OR/XOR level, or at lower transistor/diode logic level (not
actual placement).

It is also possible Apple bases its design on the standard ARM core but
makes sufficient changes to it at the logic level to improve pipelining
etc.

It is not clear to me who designs the memory controller which becomes
very important when you have multiple cores.

Also not clear to me how the peripherals such as Secure Enclave and
Neural network are connected to the multiple CPU cores.  (interrupt with
DMA, or other method). That would be designed by Apple but the interface
would have to fit within the ARM architecture.


And now, Apple will have integrated GPU with share RAM. So again, the
memory controller becomes key. If the GPU isn't on PCI express, what
method does it use? Interrupts? That is definitely Apple's design.


Just because Apple designs a lot of real estate around the ARM cores and
how they connect to it does not mean that Apple fully designs the ARM
cores from scartch without using any logic provided by ARM.


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#133178

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2020-07-03 16:50 -0400
Message-ID<030720201650548911%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#133177
In article <GvMLG.95263$eN2.8613@fx47.iad>, JF Mezei
<jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> On 2020-07-03 12:11, Alan Baker wrote:
> > Apple has a license for the ARM ARCHITECTURE and that means Apple 
> > designs its own chips.
> 
> "designs its own chip" is a very very very vague statement which you
> refuse to fully specicy.

it's not at all vague.

> designing a chip can range from develooping an instruction set all the
> way to deciding on the colour of the logo to be printed on the black chip.

no.

> There are a LOT of steps in between and they are very significant.

and apple is responsible for them.

> Consider that for the first 64 bit Axx, Apple was first to market.  It
> wouldn't have been first to market had it designed the chip from scratch
> while Qualcomm could have based its design on the ready-made core designs.

apple did design it from scratch.




> It is also possible Apple bases its design on the standard ARM core but
> makes sufficient changes to it at the logic level to improve pipelining
> etc.

it's also possible you haven't a clue.

> It is not clear to me 

yep. that is very obvious.

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#133185

FromLewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
Date2020-07-03 21:17 +0000
Message-ID<slrnrfv82j.2d6v.g.kreme@ProMini.lan>
In reply to#133178
In message <030720201650548911%nospam@nospam.invalid> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <GvMLG.95263$eN2.8613@fx47.iad>, JF Mezei
> <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

>> On 2020-07-03 12:11, Alan Baker wrote:
>> > Apple has a license for the ARM ARCHITECTURE and that means Apple 
>> > designs its own chips.
>> 
>> "designs its own chip" is a very very very vague statement which you
>> refuse to fully specicy.

> it's not at all vague.

>> designing a chip can range from develooping an instruction set all the
>> way to deciding on the colour of the logo to be printed on the black chip.

> no.

>> There are a LOT of steps in between and they are very significant.

> and apple is responsible for them.

>> Consider that for the first 64 bit Axx, Apple was first to market.  It
>> wouldn't have been first to market had it designed the chip from scratch
>> while Qualcomm could have based its design on the ready-made core designs.

> apple did design it from scratch.

Also, Qualcomm does not have a license for the 64-bit ARM designs, so
they would have to design their own chips from the ground up. Which they
did (the Kryo series is Qualcomm designed 64-bit ARM, and it is far
behind Apple's design. Neither company is using ARM designs, but
building their own chips.

It's just that Apple is a lot better at it than Qualcomm.

>> It is also possible Apple bases its design on the standard ARM core but
>> makes sufficient changes to it at the logic level to improve pipelining
>> etc.

> it's also possible you haven't a clue.

Oh, I'd say that was dead cert.

>> It is not clear to me 

> yep. that is very obvious.

Nothing ever is.

-- 
"Are you pondering what I'm pondering?"
"Well, I think so, Brain, but it's a miracle that this one grew
	back."

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#133180

FromAlan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no>
Date2020-07-03 13:55 -0700
Message-ID<rdo5vk$374$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#133177
On 2020-07-03 1:26 p.m., JF Mezei wrote:
> On 2020-07-03 12:11, Alan Baker wrote:
>> Apple has a license for the ARM ARCHITECTURE and that means Apple
>> designs its own chips.
> 
> "designs its own chip" is a very very very vague statement which you
> refuse to fully specicy.

I have given you lots of specificity, doofs.

> 
> designing a chip can range from develooping an instruction set all the
> way to deciding on the colour of the logo to be printed on the black chip.

No. Not in the context of this discussion...

...because we know that ARM develops the instruction set and the rules 
for the architecture...

...and Apple designs the actual chip.


> 
> There are a LOT of steps in between and they are very significant.
> 
> Consider that for the first 64 bit Axx, Apple was first to market.  It
> wouldn't have been first to market had it designed the chip from scratch
> while Qualcomm could have based its design on the ready-made core designs.

Sorry, but your statement is false.

One can design something from scratch and still be first to market.

> 
> 
> This isn't a binary question, it is a question of how much of the chip
> is designed by Apple, and how much is drawn from designs done by ARM.
> Design happens at many levels.

All of the chip is designed by Apple. ARM provides Apple with a license 
to use the architecture.

That's all.

> 
> There is no debate that what Apple sends to TMSC or others to be FABbed
> is done by Apple. the masks that indicate where each component
> (transistor, diodes etc) are placed is definitely done by Apple as these
> are specific to the targer mask size.
> 
> There is no debate that Apple adds to the silicone wafer not only the
> ARM cores, but also the Secure Enclave, Neural Engine and what not.
> 
> However, the logic of an individual ARM CPU core is a grey area as it is
> entirely possible Apple uses the ARM logic (whether at the
> AND/NAN/OR/XOR level, or at lower transistor/diode logic level (not
> actual placement).

Wrong. This is not a gray area at all.

> 
> It is also possible Apple bases its design on the standard ARM core but
> makes sufficient changes to it at the logic level to improve pipelining
> etc.

No. That is not possible. They aren't license to use a standard ARM core.

> 
> It is not clear to me who designs the memory controller which becomes
> very important when you have multiple cores.
> 
> Also not clear to me how the peripherals such as Secure Enclave and
> Neural network are connected to the multiple CPU cores.  (interrupt with
> DMA, or other method). That would be designed by Apple but the interface
> would have to fit within the ARM architecture.
> 
> 
> And now, Apple will have integrated GPU with share RAM. So again, the
> memory controller becomes key. If the GPU isn't on PCI express, what
> method does it use? Interrupts? That is definitely Apple's design.
> 
> 
> Just because Apple designs a lot of real estate around the ARM cores and
> how they connect to it does not mean that Apple fully designs the ARM
> cores from scartch without using any logic provided by ARM.

Apple doesn't use ARM cores.

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#133136

FromAlan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com>
Date2020-07-01 15:46 -0400
Message-ID<PK5LG.55181$DO2.9873@fx45.iad>
In reply to#133129
On 2020-07-01 15:13, Lewis wrote:
> In message <nr3LG.55175$DO2.34241@fx45.iad> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
>> On 2020-07-01 12:21, Lewis wrote:
>>> In message <eL0LG.34503$hQ4.20404@fx39.iad> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2020-06-30 00:19, Lewis wrote:
>>>>> In message <4HrKG.41441$zX4.10639@fx41.iad> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> Quoting Wikipedia:
>>>>>
>>>>> Are you fucking joking?
>>>
>>>> No.
>>>
>>> Quoting Wikipedia is not sufficient to make your case. Quoting it
>>> without reading it entirely exposes you being a fool.
>>>
>>> As you have been told many times, Apple has an architecture license for
>>> ARM. You might want to look up what this means.
> 
>> You might want to look into what it doesn't mean.
> 
>>>
>>> Apple designs its own chips, this is simply a fact.
> 
>> Around the core designed by ARM.  Fact.
> 
> Cite any reference on this, because this is just flat out false.
> 


I'll throw in the towel.  I was wrong.  I see now that the architecture 
license doesn't mean having to use "source" data from ARM for a new chip 
layout.

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#133137

FromAlan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no>
Date2020-07-01 12:51 -0700
Message-ID<rdipfh$7h6$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#133136
On 2020-07-01 12:46 p.m., Alan Browne wrote:
> On 2020-07-01 15:13, Lewis wrote:
>> In message <nr3LG.55175$DO2.34241@fx45.iad> Alan Browne 
>> <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
>>> On 2020-07-01 12:21, Lewis wrote:
>>>> In message <eL0LG.34503$hQ4.20404@fx39.iad> Alan Browne 
>>>> <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 2020-06-30 00:19, Lewis wrote:
>>>>>> In message <4HrKG.41441$zX4.10639@fx41.iad> Alan Browne 
>>>>>> <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>> Quoting Wikipedia:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Are you fucking joking?
>>>>
>>>>> No.
>>>>
>>>> Quoting Wikipedia is not sufficient to make your case. Quoting it
>>>> without reading it entirely exposes you being a fool.
>>>>
>>>> As you have been told many times, Apple has an architecture license for
>>>> ARM. You might want to look up what this means.
>>
>>> You might want to look into what it doesn't mean.
>>
>>>>
>>>> Apple designs its own chips, this is simply a fact.
>>
>>> Around the core designed by ARM.  Fact.
>>
>> Cite any reference on this, because this is just flat out false.
>>
> 
> 
> I'll throw in the towel.  I was wrong.  I see now that the architecture 
> license doesn't mean having to use "source" data from ARM for a new chip 
> layout.

Great.

Now why did it take you so fucking long?

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#133151

FromJF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>
Date2020-07-03 02:25 -0400
Message-ID<qbALG.53570$5_4.31764@fx40.iad>
In reply to#133136
On 2020-07-01 15:46, Alan Browne wrote:

> I'll throw in the towel.  I was wrong.  I see now that the architecture 
> license doesn't mean having to use "source" data from ARM for a new chip 
> layout.


Having certain rights does not mean Apple writes an implenentation of
the ARM instruction set from scratch. The logic that ARM created for the
instructions, and various rules on how they rul provide a solid base
that has been tested and evaluated.  There is no point rewriting it all
only to come to the same thing.

This doesn't eman Apple won't tweak some parts which is what the license
gives Apple.

Note that Apple stopped using silicone masks from ARM long ago and has
made its own designs on where to place transistors and diodes and what
not for quite some time. But that step is different from deciding that
the add 2 registers opcode will require  x number of XOR/OR/AND gates in
the following order abd synchronize opening of registers with the
folliwing XOR/AND/NOR/OR gates.


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#133155

FromAlan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no>
Date2020-07-03 01:11 -0700
Message-ID<rdmp7f$62l$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#133151
On 2020-07-02 11:25 p.m., JF Mezei wrote:
> On 2020-07-01 15:46, Alan Browne wrote:
> 
>> I'll throw in the towel.  I was wrong.  I see now that the architecture
>> license doesn't mean having to use "source" data from ARM for a new chip
>> layout.
> 
> 
> Having certain rights does not mean Apple writes an implenentation of
> the ARM instruction set from scratch. The logic that ARM created for the
> instructions, and various rules on how they rul provide a solid base
> that has been tested and evaluated.  There is no point rewriting it all
> only to come to the same thing.
> 
> This doesn't eman Apple won't tweak some parts which is what the license
> gives Apple.
> 
> Note that Apple stopped using silicone masks from ARM long ago and has
> made its own designs on where to place transistors and diodes and what
> not for quite some time. But that step is different from deciding that
> the add 2 registers opcode will require  x number of XOR/OR/AND gates in
> the following order abd synchronize opening of registers with the
> folliwing XOR/AND/NOR/OR gates.
> 
> 
> 

Once again, you show you are utterly wrong.

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#133175

FromJF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>
Date2020-07-03 15:51 -0400
Message-ID<9%LLG.78010$AN2.29505@fx46.iad>
In reply to#133155
On 2020-07-03 04:11, Alan Baker wrote:

> Once again, you show you are utterly wrong.

The text you showed says that Apple has permission to modify or use its
own. It doesn't state that Apple designs its Axx chips from scratch and
just uses the ARM instruction set.

It doesn't make sense for Apple to re-invent the wheel when it designs
the car so it can focus on other aspects of the car.

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#133184

FromLewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
Date2020-07-03 21:12 +0000
Message-ID<slrnrfv7pf.2d6v.g.kreme@ProMini.lan>
In reply to#133175
In message <9%LLG.78010$AN2.29505@fx46.iad> JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> On 2020-07-03 04:11, Alan Baker wrote:

>> Once again, you show you are utterly wrong.

> The text you showed says that Apple has permission to modify or use its
> own. It doesn't state that Apple designs its Axx chips from scratch and
> just uses the ARM instruction set.

The is exactly what Apple does though, as it is trivial to verify. It is
also specifically what the architecture license allows.

> It doesn't make sense for Apple to re-invent the wheel when it designs
> the car so it can focus on other aspects of the car.

Better wheel means faster car with lower fuel costs and better handling,
so yes, it absolutely makes sense.

Apple employs more than hundreds of engineers just on designing the
various Apple chips. They not only design the Z series used in iPhones
and iPads, but also the M series, the T series, the W series, and
several others.

They are not 'tweaking' ARM designs.

https://www.wired.com/story/apple-a13-bionic-chip-iphone/
The launch of the iPhone 11 Pro and its siblings only reaffirms that
Apple's real advantage over its competitors comes from owning the entire
vertical stack: the software, the system hardware, and the chip design.

Apple’s decision to design and build its own silicon was made sometime
in 2008. At the time, the company had a mere 40 engineers working on
integrating chips from an assortment of vendors. Then, in April of 2008,
Apple bought a chip startup called P.A. Semi for $287 million. That
increased the total number of chip engineers to about 150 and brought
home expertise on what matters most on a phone: power efficiency.

Johny Srouji runs Apple's sprawling chip operation along with other
hardware technologies. Many believe that a big chunk of the company’s
annual research-and-development budget is earmarked for Srouji’s team.
"Steve came to the conclusion that the only way for Apple to really
differentiate and deliver something truly unique and truly great, you
have to own your own silicon,"

You are wrong. Again. Still.

-- 
The brain is an amazing organ, it works every second of every day
	from before we're even born right up until the instant we fall in
	love.

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#133188

FromLewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
Date2020-07-04 00:31 +0000
Message-ID<slrnrfvje8.2ra3.g.kreme@ProMini.lan>
In reply to#133184
In message <slrnrfv7pf.2d6v.g.kreme@ProMini.lan> Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> various Apple chips. They not only design the Z series used in iPhones

Typo for A, of course.

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#133190

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2020-07-03 20:54 -0400
Message-ID<030720202054210480%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#133188
In article <slrnrfvje8.2ra3.g.kreme@ProMini.lan>, Lewis
<g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> In message <slrnrfv7pf.2d6v.g.kreme@ProMini.lan> Lewis
> <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> > various Apple chips. They not only design the Z series used in iPhones
> 
> Typo for A, of course.

they're going to use a different letter for the chips that will be used
for macs (it won't be an a* series), and z is a good possibility.

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#133193

FromLewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
Date2020-07-04 03:18 +0000
Message-ID<slrnrfvt7t.2ra3.g.kreme@ProMini.lan>
In reply to#133190
In message <030720202054210480%nospam@nospam.invalid> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <slrnrfvje8.2ra3.g.kreme@ProMini.lan>, Lewis
> <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

>> In message <slrnrfv7pf.2d6v.g.kreme@ProMini.lan> Lewis
>> <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>> > various Apple chips. They not only design the Z series used in iPhones
>> 
>> Typo for A, of course.

> they're going to use a different letter for the chips that will be used
> for macs (it won't be an a* series), and z is a good possibility.

It's a shame the already used M1 and M2, but they could take over the
name an name the new chip the M14 or M20 or anything they wanted. I
would kind of like the X or the MX myself, but it hardly matters.

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"I think so, Brain, but if we get Sam Spade, we'll never have any
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#133194

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2020-07-03 23:50 -0400
Message-ID<030720202350475666%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#133193
In article <slrnrfvt7t.2ra3.g.kreme@ProMini.lan>, Lewis
<g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> >> > various Apple chips. They not only design the Z series used in iPhones
> >> 
> >> Typo for A, of course.
> 
> > they're going to use a different letter for the chips that will be used
> > for macs (it won't be an a* series), and z is a good possibility.
> 
> It's a shame the already used M1 and M2, but they could take over the
> name an name the new chip the M14 or M20 or anything they wanted. I
> would kind of like the X or the MX myself, but it hardly matters.

they could re-use m*. it's not like anyone remembers or cares about the
motion coprocessors.

they should pick g*, then they can have new macs with a g3, g4 and g5 :)

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#133204

FromLewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
Date2020-07-04 12:40 +0000
Message-ID<slrnrg0u62.16ah.g.kreme@ProMini.lan>
In reply to#133194
In message <030720202350475666%nospam@nospam.invalid> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <slrnrfvt7t.2ra3.g.kreme@ProMini.lan>, Lewis
> <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

>> >> > various Apple chips. They not only design the Z series used in iPhones
>> >> 
>> >> Typo for A, of course.
>> 
>> > they're going to use a different letter for the chips that will be used
>> > for macs (it won't be an a* series), and z is a good possibility.
>> 
>> It's a shame the already used M1 and M2, but they could take over the
>> name an name the new chip the M14 or M20 or anything they wanted. I
>> would kind of like the X or the MX myself, but it hardly matters.

> they could re-use m*. it's not like anyone remembers or cares about the
> motion coprocessors.

> they should pick g*, then they can have new macs with a g3, g4 and g5 :)

I have heard people suggest they name the new processor family for the
Mac G6, which I think is amusing, but also highly improbable.


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#133208

FromAlan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com>
Date2020-07-04 10:34 -0400
Message-ID<vr0MG.81315$AN2.51879@fx46.iad>
In reply to#133194
On 2020-07-03 23:50, nospam wrote:
> In article <slrnrfvt7t.2ra3.g.kreme@ProMini.lan>, Lewis
> <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> 
>>>>> various Apple chips. They not only design the Z series used in iPhones
>>>>
>>>> Typo for A, of course.
>>
>>> they're going to use a different letter for the chips that will be used
>>> for macs (it won't be an a* series), and z is a good possibility.
>>
>> It's a shame the already used M1 and M2, but they could take over the
>> name an name the new chip the M14 or M20 or anything they wanted. I
>> would kind of like the X or the MX myself, but it hardly matters.
> 
> they could re-use m*. it's not like anyone remembers or cares about the
> motion coprocessors.
> 
> they should pick g*, then they can have new macs with a g3, g4 and g5 :)

J* would be my pick.

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#133209

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2020-07-04 11:03 -0400
Message-ID<040720201103012154%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#133208
In article <vr0MG.81315$AN2.51879@fx46.iad>, Alan Browne
<bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:

> 
> J* would be my pick.

any particular reason?

my guess is z* because it's at the other end of the alphabet.

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#133300

FromArlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com>
Date2020-07-05 16:00 +0000
Message-ID<rdstf5$9r3$1@news.mixmin.net>
In reply to#133209
On Sat, 04 Jul 2020 11:03:01 -0400, nospam wrote:

> my guess is z* because it's at the other end of the alphabet.

I find it hilariously interesting that you apologists truly and deeply care
so very much about what is, in effect, absolutely utterly meaningless
MARKETING bullshit.
-- 
Apologists are governed first & foremost almost exclusively by MARKETING.

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