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| Started by | JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> |
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| First post | 2020-06-27 16:49 -0400 |
| Last post | 2020-07-04 20:31 +0000 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 519 — 32 participants |
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Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-06-27 16:49 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-06-27 17:07 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-06-27 22:33 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-06-28 02:45 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-06-27 17:19 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-06-27 17:48 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-06-27 17:53 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-06-27 22:35 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-01 15:09 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-01 11:02 -0700
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2020-06-27 18:02 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-06-27 22:36 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2020-06-28 06:22 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-06-28 16:26 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-03 03:51 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-02 20:58 -0700
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-07-03 02:31 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-03 11:19 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-03 08:29 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-04 04:06 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-03 21:13 -0700
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2020-07-04 01:56 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-04 00:02 -0700
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2020-07-04 03:49 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-04 01:13 -0700
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-07-04 12:50 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-04 16:24 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-04 09:41 -0700
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2020-07-04 14:01 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-04 14:07 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-04 18:35 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2020-07-04 15:16 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-07-04 17:08 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2020-07-04 07:23 -0700
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-04 11:03 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-04 16:08 +0000
Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-04 09:16 -0700
Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2020-07-04 15:19 -0400
Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-04 19:36 +0000
Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-04 21:07 +0000
Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-04 14:11 -0700
Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-07-05 03:18 +0000
Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-05 04:02 +0000
Arlen is utterly unmoved by facts Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-04 21:48 -0700
Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-04 15:47 -0400
Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-04 14:07 -0700
Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-04 17:12 -0400
Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-04 14:15 -0700
Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-04 17:22 -0400
Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Rene Lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca> - 2020-07-04 16:25 -0500
Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-04 14:41 -0700
Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-04 21:45 +0000
Arlen makes yet another explicit claim... (wasRe: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs You know who! <no@body.net> - 2020-07-04 14:49 -0700
Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-07-05 03:14 +0000
Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2020-07-09 18:34 -0700
Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-09 21:52 -0400
Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-10 02:56 +0000
Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-09 20:38 -0700
Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2020-07-11 15:24 +1200
Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-10 23:35 -0400
Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-11 04:24 +0000
Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-11 04:36 +0000
Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-11 10:40 -0700
Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2020-07-12 12:55 +1200
Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-12 01:10 +0000
Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-11 22:36 -0400
Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-12 04:17 +0000
Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2020-07-13 16:16 +1200
Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-13 05:43 +0000
Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2020-07-13 21:55 +1200
Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs delvon daily <delvondaily@example.com> - 2020-07-13 14:37 -0700
OT: Why must Arlen nymshift? (was Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-13 15:13 -0700
Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2020-07-14 16:07 +1200
Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-14 01:22 -0400
Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2020-07-14 21:12 +1200
Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-14 19:27 -0400
Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2020-07-15 11:59 +1200
Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-14 22:54 -0400
Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2020-07-16 16:37 +1200
Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-16 18:10 -0400
Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2020-07-17 13:29 +1200
Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-16 21:45 -0400
Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2020-07-18 22:14 +1200
Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-18 11:50 -0400
Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2020-07-19 16:07 +1200
Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-19 08:17 -0400
Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2020-07-19 14:34 +0200
Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2020-07-20 16:49 +1200
Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-21 11:31 -0400
Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2020-07-22 12:47 +1200
Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-21 21:02 -0400
Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-07-17 06:41 +0000
Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2020-07-18 22:15 +1200
Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-18 11:50 -0400
Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2020-07-19 16:11 +1200
Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-19 08:17 -0400
Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2020-07-20 16:51 +1200
Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-21 11:31 -0400
Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2020-07-18 07:18 -0700
Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-18 11:50 -0400
Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2020-07-18 21:47 +0200
Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-11 04:51 +0000
Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs John Michael <tonymayo43@gmail.com> - 2020-07-11 01:30 -0400
Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-11 05:55 +0000
Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-11 05:59 +0000
Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-14 10:11 +0000
Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-15 17:14 +0000
Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: xxxxx is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2020-07-18 08:37 -0700
Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: xxxxx is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-07-18 18:31 +0000
Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: xxxxx is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-18 21:01 +0000
Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: xxxxx is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-18 20:54 +0000
Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2020-07-10 15:21 +1200
Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-09 20:30 -0700
Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-09 23:36 -0400
Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-09 20:42 -0700
Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2020-07-10 15:44 +1200
Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-10 04:18 +0000
Arlen is a liar. Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs For a friend <notyou@yes.yes> - 2020-07-09 21:35 -0700
Re: Arlen is a liar. Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2020-07-10 01:04 -0400
Re: Arlen is a liar. Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-09 22:06 -0700
Re: Arlen is a liar. Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2020-07-10 01:27 -0400
Re: Arlen is a liar. Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-09 23:13 -0700
Re: Arlen is a liar. Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-10 14:20 +0000
Re: Arlen is a liar. Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-10 10:09 -0700
Re: Arlen is a liar. Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2020-07-11 15:18 +1200
Re: Arlen is a liar. Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-11 05:00 +0000
Re: Arlen is a liar. Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-10 22:34 -0700
Re: Arlen is a liar. Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2020-07-12 12:54 +1200
Re: Arlen is a liar. Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-07-12 04:22 +0000
Re: Arlen is a liar. Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-12 06:07 +0000
Re: Arlen is a liar. Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2020-07-10 18:47 +1200
Re: Arlen is a liar. Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-10 14:27 +0000
Re: Arlen is a liar. Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-10 14:13 +0000
Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-09 23:36 -0400
Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2020-07-05 10:09 +1200
Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-04 15:10 -0700
Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-04 23:29 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-07-04 16:56 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-04 21:36 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2020-07-05 10:06 +1200
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-04 23:23 +0000
How is it that Arlen can be this thick? Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs He really has no clue <none@all.com> - 2020-07-04 16:52 -0700
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Kees Nuyt <k.nuyt@nospam.demon.nl> - 2020-07-05 03:25 +0200
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-05 03:08 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-04 20:27 -0700
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-04 17:21 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-07-04 16:59 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-04 17:12 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-04 23:57 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2020-07-05 21:15 +0100
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-05 00:14 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-07-04 16:40 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-04 17:12 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-07-05 03:22 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2020-07-12 10:51 -0700
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-12 14:47 -0400
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Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-07-26 02:49 +0000
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Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-07-13 23:08 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-13 20:26 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2020-07-13 16:41 -0700
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-13 20:26 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-07-14 02:17 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2020-07-19 11:34 -0400
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Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-07-13 19:29 +0000
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Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-14 14:23 -0400
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Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-07-14 21:48 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-14 21:54 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-07-14 21:18 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-14 21:25 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-07-14 22:06 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-14 22:21 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-07-15 02:30 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-15 07:56 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-07-15 09:02 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2020-07-15 09:50 -0700
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-15 13:13 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-07-15 15:42 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-15 15:44 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2020-07-16 08:43 +1200
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2020-07-14 11:45 +1200
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2020-07-14 10:35 -0700
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-14 14:23 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2020-07-15 08:38 +1200
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-07-14 21:10 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-07-15 08:59 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2020-07-14 11:47 +1200
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2020-07-14 17:42 +0200
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2020-07-15 08:33 +1200
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-14 16:37 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-07-15 08:55 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2020-07-15 22:19 +0200
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2020-07-16 08:47 +1200
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2020-07-15 23:10 +0200
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2020-07-16 14:41 +1200
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2020-07-16 18:44 +0200
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2020-07-16 10:16 -0700
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-16 14:29 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2020-07-17 08:34 +1200
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-13 17:55 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-07-13 23:19 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-13 20:26 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-07-14 21:30 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2020-07-15 10:05 -0700
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-15 13:13 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-07-23 00:06 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-23 00:10 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2020-07-23 15:34 -0700
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-23 19:06 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-07-23 19:42 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2020-07-26 11:56 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2020-07-12 16:58 -0700
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-12 20:08 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-06-27 22:30 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-06-27 19:08 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-06-27 19:11 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-06-28 02:19 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-06-28 00:37 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-06-28 16:20 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-06-28 12:52 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-06-28 21:30 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-06-29 16:45 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-06-30 04:21 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-01 02:56 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-06-27 22:41 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-06-27 19:16 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-06-28 00:26 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-06-28 00:30 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-06-28 02:25 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-06-28 03:05 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-06-28 12:44 -0700
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2020-06-29 11:51 +1200
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2020-06-29 08:29 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-06-29 13:00 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2020-06-29 11:10 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-06-29 10:00 -0700
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-06-29 17:30 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2020-06-29 19:14 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-06-29 21:16 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-06-29 19:41 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2020-06-29 15:55 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-06-29 13:53 -0700
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-06-29 21:16 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-06-29 14:32 -0700
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-06-30 04:19 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-06-30 04:31 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2020-07-01 10:06 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-07-01 16:21 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-01 16:56 +0000
Why does Arlen always lose? Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Not Arlen <whodat@ness.biz> - 2020-07-01 10:40 -0700
Re: Why does Arlen always lose? Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs John Doe <always.look@message.header> - 2020-07-02 03:46 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2020-07-01 13:09 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-01 10:37 -0700
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-07-01 19:13 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2020-07-01 15:40 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-01 12:45 -0700
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-07-01 21:27 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-03 11:47 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-03 09:11 -0700
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-07-03 17:21 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-03 10:29 -0700
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2020-07-03 15:49 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-03 13:56 -0700
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-07-03 20:59 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2020-07-04 10:32 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-04 23:43 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Andreas Rutishauser <andreas@macandreas.ch> - 2020-07-05 08:59 +0200
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-05 15:52 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-07-04 15:43 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-04 14:18 -0700
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-07-05 17:14 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-07-03 16:26 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-03 16:50 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-07-03 21:17 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-03 13:55 -0700
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2020-07-01 15:46 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-01 12:51 -0700
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-07-03 02:25 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-03 01:11 -0700
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-07-03 15:51 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-07-03 21:12 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-07-04 00:31 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-03 20:54 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-07-04 03:18 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-03 23:50 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-07-04 12:40 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2020-07-04 10:34 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-04 11:03 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-05 16:00 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-07-04 16:19 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-07-04 20:27 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-05 16:46 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-07-05 17:49 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-07-06 02:09 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-07-03 14:41 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-01 10:33 -0700
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-07-01 19:15 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-06-29 21:16 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-06-29 14:27 -0700
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-06-29 09:15 -0700
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-06-29 16:59 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-06-29 16:53 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-06-30 04:53 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs joe <none@domain.invalid> - 2020-06-30 08:14 -0500
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Wolffan <akwolffan@zoho.com> - 2020-06-30 10:51 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-06-30 19:37 +0000
OT: Why must Arlen constantly lie? (was Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Just for Arlen <justforarlen@no.no.no.no> - 2020-06-30 13:57 -0700
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Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-06-30 17:48 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs joe <none@domain.invalid> - 2020-06-30 13:09 -0500
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-06-30 11:25 -0700
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-06-30 19:07 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Especially for Arlen <especiallyforarlen@no.no.no.no> - 2020-06-30 13:59 -0700
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Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-29 08:38 -0700
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-06-30 04:44 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-06-30 04:49 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-06-30 05:02 +0000
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Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-01 15:41 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-07-03 02:18 -0400
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| Date | 2020-06-28 03:05 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <rd91e8$7oo$1@news.mixmin.net> |
| In reply to | #133007 |
On Sun, 28 Jun 2020 02:25:00 -0000 (UTC), Lewis wrote: > As far as I know, Apple only uses the ARM instruction set, the chip > design is entirely Apple. Qualcomm does the same thing with their chips, > just not nearly as well as Apple. Hi Lewis, Apologists like Lewis always believe whatever MARKETING feeds them. What makes ARM appealing (over x86 CISC) is "efficiency"... o Not compute power. "That's why we don't see large desktop-scale processors in our mobile phones. Sure, they are orders of magnitude faster than mobile chips, but your phone would get too hot to hold and the battery would last just a few minutes." "That's why you don't often see ARM chips in desktops or x86 chips in phones; they're just not designed for that." <https://www.techspot.com/article/1989-arm-inside/> Even you must recall that CPUs long ago went from CISC to RISC before (and then back to CISC), and that ARM architecture recently found a niche where mobile devices "needed to be more efficient and portable". Given Apple has never even once in its entire history ever built a best in class chip, what evidence do you have, Lewis, for Apple being able to pull off putting an ARM chip where it traditionally does not belong? o *Did Apple (yet again) fail in chip design* *(just like they did with modems) this time with graphics chips?* <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/_KhXtYcseUU> HINT: The Axx series is _not_ even remotely best in class when it must always be throttled to about half speed after about a year of use in the device it is designed into (nor are its huge permanent vulnerabilities the epitome of best-in-class CPU design!). -- Apologists like Lewis always believe whatever MARKETING feeds them.
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| From | Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> |
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| Date | 2020-06-28 12:44 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <rdarum$vav$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #132995 |
On 2020-06-27 3:41 p.m., Arlen Holder wrote: > FACT (not bullshit marketing) > > Just to be clear since Apple users tend to be bamboozled by MARKETING... > o It's not "Apple Silicon" in the Mac ARM so much as ARM TSMC silicon. Except for the little fact that Apple designs the chips themselves... > > Apple licensing the technology from ARM & pays TSMC to fab the silicon. > o Apple MARKETING's job is to bamboozle users into thinking otherwise. > > It works great, but just be advised, when I see Apple Silicon... > o I'm gonna remind _adults_ that it's TSMC silicon & ARM technology >
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
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| Date | 2020-06-29 11:51 +1200 |
| Message-ID | <rdbaeg$179h$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #133030 |
On 2020-06-28 19:44:22 +0000, Alan Baker said:
> On 2020-06-27 3:41 p.m., Arlen Holder wrote:
>> FACT (not bullshit marketing)
>>
>> Just to be clear since Apple users tend to be bamboozled by MARKETING...
>> o It's not "Apple Silicon" in the Mac ARM so much as ARM TSMC silicon.
>
> Except for the little fact that Apple designs the chips themselves...
Yep. Techncially ...
A. Apple Silicon chips are not ARM chips anyway. They are designed
by Apple, *based on ARM*, and manufactured by TSMC and probably
other chip manufacturing companies if needs require it or
contracts are changed (as has happened in the past).
B. Apple has never manufactured anything themselves (except in some
cases the prototypes). They have always designed stuff and for
some of that they also *assembled* it, but the manufacturing of
the components is done by other companies under contracts and
NDAs. Same goes for Microsoft, as well as quite a few other
tech and electronics companies - open up many XYZ-brand TVs and
you'll find a Sony display, for example.
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| From | Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> |
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| Date | 2020-06-29 08:29 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <K8lKG.19999$Vp4.7029@fx44.iad> |
| In reply to | #133039 |
On 2020-06-28 19:51, Your Name wrote: > On 2020-06-28 19:44:22 +0000, Alan Baker said: >> On 2020-06-27 3:41 p.m., Arlen Holder wrote: >>> FACT (not bullshit marketing) >>> >>> Just to be clear since Apple users tend to be bamboozled by MARKETING... >>> o It's not "Apple Silicon" in the Mac ARM so much as ARM TSMC silicon. >> >> Except for the little fact that Apple designs the chips themselves... > > Yep. Techncially ... > > A. Apple Silicon chips are not ARM chips anyway. They are designed ARM do not make chips. The license designs. > by Apple, *based on ARM*, and manufactured by TSMC and probably They are ARM and Apple pay ARM a license fee for each chip. That Apple have added functionality is beside the point since many licensees add some functionality to their SOC's - if not as much as Apple do - as part of their product integration. Indeed the Apple "Secure Enclave" is another ARM processor added to the silicon (or chip carrier).
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2020-06-29 13:00 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnrfjpf5.1m2v.g.kreme@ProMini.lan> |
| In reply to | #133042 |
In message <K8lKG.19999$Vp4.7029@fx44.iad> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote: > On 2020-06-28 19:51, Your Name wrote: >> On 2020-06-28 19:44:22 +0000, Alan Baker said: >>> On 2020-06-27 3:41 p.m., Arlen Holder wrote: >>>> FACT (not bullshit marketing) >>>> >>>> Just to be clear since Apple users tend to be bamboozled by MARKETING... >>>> o It's not "Apple Silicon" in the Mac ARM so much as ARM TSMC silicon. >>> >>> Except for the little fact that Apple designs the chips themselves... >> >> Yep. Techncially ... >> >> A. Apple Silicon chips are not ARM chips anyway. They are designed > ARM do not make chips. The license designs. >> by Apple, *based on ARM*, and manufactured by TSMC and probably > They are ARM and Apple pay ARM a license fee for each chip. That Apple > have added functionality is beside the point since many licensees add > some functionality to their SOC's - if not as much as Apple do - as part > of their product integration. No, this is very wrong. Apple is designing their own chips from the ground up. They are licensing the ARM instruction set, not ship design. -- Lately, I’ve just been feeling a little bit off. If we were on earth, I’d know what to do, but is there like a magic plant or something out here that I can pee on to find out if I’m … Bunny: Pregnant.
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| From | Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> |
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| Date | 2020-06-29 11:10 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <xvnKG.43374$DO2.25945@fx45.iad> |
| In reply to | #133043 |
On 2020-06-29 09:00, Lewis wrote: > In message <K8lKG.19999$Vp4.7029@fx44.iad> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote: >> On 2020-06-28 19:51, Your Name wrote: >>> On 2020-06-28 19:44:22 +0000, Alan Baker said: >>>> On 2020-06-27 3:41 p.m., Arlen Holder wrote: >>>>> FACT (not bullshit marketing) >>>>> >>>>> Just to be clear since Apple users tend to be bamboozled by MARKETING... >>>>> o It's not "Apple Silicon" in the Mac ARM so much as ARM TSMC silicon. >>>> >>>> Except for the little fact that Apple designs the chips themselves... >>> >>> Yep. Techncially ... >>> >>> A. Apple Silicon chips are not ARM chips anyway. They are designed > >> ARM do not make chips. The license designs. > >>> by Apple, *based on ARM*, and manufactured by TSMC and probably > >> They are ARM and Apple pay ARM a license fee for each chip. That Apple >> have added functionality is beside the point since many licensees add >> some functionality to their SOC's - if not as much as Apple do - as part >> of their product integration. > > No, this is very wrong. Apple is designing their own chips from the > ground up. They are licensing the ARM instruction set, not ship design. I doubt it very much, but please post definitive proof.
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| From | Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> |
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| Date | 2020-06-29 10:00 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <rdd6mg$685$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #133044 |
On 2020-06-29 8:10 a.m., Alan Browne wrote: > On 2020-06-29 09:00, Lewis wrote: >> In message <K8lKG.19999$Vp4.7029@fx44.iad> Alan Browne >> <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote: >>> On 2020-06-28 19:51, Your Name wrote: >>>> On 2020-06-28 19:44:22 +0000, Alan Baker said: >>>>> On 2020-06-27 3:41 p.m., Arlen Holder wrote: >>>>>> FACT (not bullshit marketing) >>>>>> >>>>>> Just to be clear since Apple users tend to be bamboozled by >>>>>> MARKETING... >>>>>> o It's not "Apple Silicon" in the Mac ARM so much as ARM TSMC >>>>>> silicon. >>>>> >>>>> Except for the little fact that Apple designs the chips themselves... >>>> >>>> Yep. Techncially ... >>>> >>>> A. Apple Silicon chips are not ARM chips anyway. They are designed >> >>> ARM do not make chips. The license designs. >> >>>> by Apple, *based on ARM*, and manufactured by TSMC and probably >> >>> They are ARM and Apple pay ARM a license fee for each chip. That Apple >>> have added functionality is beside the point since many licensees add >>> some functionality to their SOC's - if not as much as Apple do - as part >>> of their product integration. >> >> No, this is very wrong. Apple is designing their own chips from the >> ground up. They are licensing the ARM instruction set, not ship design. > > I doubt it very much, but please post definitive proof. Since the A6 at least: 'Similarly, none of the SoC vendors would have something A15-based ready in time for volume production in Q3 2012 which helped force Apple's hand in designing its own core.' <https://www.anandtech.com/show/6330/the-iphone-5-review/5> 'Apple previously leveraged its ARM processor license as well. Until last year’s A6 SoC, all Apple SoCs leveraged CPU cores designed by and licensed from ARM. With the A6 SoC however, Apple joined the ranks of Qualcomm with leveraging an ARM architecture license. At the heart of the A6 were a pair of Apple designed CPU cores that implemented the ARMv7-A ISA. I came to know these cores by their leaked codename: Swift.' <https://www.anandtech.com/show/7335/the-iphone-5s-review/2> So that was back in 2012 that the A6 was released. Need more? It's hardly a secret.
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| From | JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> |
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| Date | 2020-06-29 17:30 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <y3tKG.12982$nI.12882@fx21.iad> |
| In reply to | #133047 |
On 2020-06-29 13:00, Alan Baker wrote: > With the A6 SoC however, Apple joined the ranks of Qualcomm with > leveraging an ARM architecture license. At the heart of the A6 were a > pair of Apple designed CPU cores that implemented the ARMv7-A ISA. I > came to know these cores by their leaked codename: Swift.' Beforee that, Apple used chip blueprints and architecture from ARM with a few bells and whistles added on the side. With A6, Apple started to design its own blueprints. Consider this: the blueprints/masks cannot just be scaled when a manufacturer offeres a process shrink. When you bring two "wires" closer to each other or make them smaller to fit, there are interference and heat issues to consider. So doijg a process shrink involves more than grabbing one of the 4 corners of the design and scaling it down while pressure the shift key. There is no doubt that the blueprints Apple gives to the FAB came from Apple. There is no doubt that Apple designs the blueprints, designs where each diode and transistor goes. There is no doubt that Apple adds various peripherals around the CPU (secure enclave, neural engine) and has designed the types of connections between the CPU and these peripherals). Apple also has logci if I am not mistaken to turn off cores. Not sure if that is provided by ARM or designed by Apple. The instruction set comes from ARM. The logic to implement the instruction set could still be coming form ARM. Or it could be a misture, or could be all Apple. Not sure this is made public. Consider one of the recent Intel 8086 bug where the pipelining would pre-load a register with a value before access to the memory was checked, the process could then divide by ero to generate an exception which it handled at which point it had access to the value in the register that came from a memroy location that the process had no access to. In the context of ARM/Apple relationship, it isn't clear to me whether such a problem would have come from ARM or Apple had it happened on an Axx chip. Compaq reverse engineered the IBM OC BIOS. AMD reverse engineered the 8086 archit6ecture, then in court got rights to use it. They are the ones who developed 64 bit entesnions for it, and developepd advanced memory controller before Intel did. So the distinction of who does what is cleared in this case. ARM does a lot more than just keep a dictioonary of instruction set for ARM. There is a grey area at the higher levels where it isn't clear to me whether that part comes from ARM or Apple. But at the lower implementation levels, it is clearly Apple.
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2020-06-29 19:14 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <hluss1Flt77U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #133044 |
On 2020-06-29, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote: > On 2020-06-29 09:00, Lewis wrote: >> In message <K8lKG.19999$Vp4.7029@fx44.iad> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote: >>> On 2020-06-28 19:51, Your Name wrote: >>>> On 2020-06-28 19:44:22 +0000, Alan Baker said: >>>> >>>>> Except for the little fact that Apple designs the chips >>>>> themselves... >>>> >>>> Yep. Techncially ... >>>> >>>> A. Apple Silicon chips are not ARM chips anyway. They are designed >> >>> ARM do not make chips. The license designs. >> >>>> by Apple, *based on ARM*, and manufactured by TSMC and probably >> >>> They are ARM and Apple pay ARM a license fee for each chip. That >>> Apple have added functionality is beside the point since many >>> licensees add some functionality to their SOC's - if not as much as >>> Apple do - as part of their product integration. >> >> No, this is very wrong. Apple is designing their own chips from the >> ground up. They are licensing the ARM instruction set, not ship >> design. > > I doubt it very much, but please post definitive proof. LOL... Get a load of this guy. : D -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> |
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| Date | 2020-06-29 21:16 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <rddln2$m49$3@news.mixmin.net> |
| In reply to | #133048 |
On 29 Jun 2020 19:14:09 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote: >> I doubt it very much, but please post definitive proof. > > LOL... Get a load of this guy. : D Why is it not shocking that the Type III apologists like Jolly Roger o Literally laugh at someone simply asking for proof of wild-assed claims -- Jolly Roger literally makes fun of anyone asking for a factual cite!
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2020-06-29 19:41 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnrfkgui.1cnm.g.kreme@ProMini.lan> |
| In reply to | #133044 |
In message <xvnKG.43374$DO2.25945@fx45.iad> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote: > On 2020-06-29 09:00, Lewis wrote: >> In message <K8lKG.19999$Vp4.7029@fx44.iad> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote: >>> On 2020-06-28 19:51, Your Name wrote: >>>> On 2020-06-28 19:44:22 +0000, Alan Baker said: >>>>> On 2020-06-27 3:41 p.m., Arlen Holder wrote: >>>>>> FACT (not bullshit marketing) >>>>>> >>>>>> Just to be clear since Apple users tend to be bamboozled by MARKETING... >>>>>> o It's not "Apple Silicon" in the Mac ARM so much as ARM TSMC silicon. >>>>> >>>>> Except for the little fact that Apple designs the chips themselves... >>>> >>>> Yep. Techncially ... >>>> >>>> A. Apple Silicon chips are not ARM chips anyway. They are designed >> >>> ARM do not make chips. The license designs. >> >>>> by Apple, *based on ARM*, and manufactured by TSMC and probably >> >>> They are ARM and Apple pay ARM a license fee for each chip. That Apple >>> have added functionality is beside the point since many licensees add >>> some functionality to their SOC's - if not as much as Apple do - as part >>> of their product integration. >> >> No, this is very wrong. Apple is designing their own chips from the >> ground up. They are licensing the ARM instruction set, not ship design. > I doubt it very much, Of course you do. > but please post definitive proof. Google is your friend. Apple has been designing their own chips for... 8? years? -- wants to give, it's giving people what they need to get.'
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| From | Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> |
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| Date | 2020-06-29 15:55 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <4HrKG.41441$zX4.10639@fx41.iad> |
| In reply to | #133049 |
On 2020-06-29 15:41, Lewis wrote: > In message <xvnKG.43374$DO2.25945@fx45.iad> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote: >> On 2020-06-29 09:00, Lewis wrote: >>> In message <K8lKG.19999$Vp4.7029@fx44.iad> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote: >>>> On 2020-06-28 19:51, Your Name wrote: >>>>> On 2020-06-28 19:44:22 +0000, Alan Baker said: >>>>>> On 2020-06-27 3:41 p.m., Arlen Holder wrote: >>>>>>> FACT (not bullshit marketing) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Just to be clear since Apple users tend to be bamboozled by MARKETING... >>>>>>> o It's not "Apple Silicon" in the Mac ARM so much as ARM TSMC silicon. >>>>>> >>>>>> Except for the little fact that Apple designs the chips themselves... >>>>> >>>>> Yep. Techncially ... >>>>> >>>>> A. Apple Silicon chips are not ARM chips anyway. They are designed >>> >>>> ARM do not make chips. The license designs. >>> >>>>> by Apple, *based on ARM*, and manufactured by TSMC and probably >>> >>>> They are ARM and Apple pay ARM a license fee for each chip. That Apple >>>> have added functionality is beside the point since many licensees add >>>> some functionality to their SOC's - if not as much as Apple do - as part >>>> of their product integration. >>> >>> No, this is very wrong. Apple is designing their own chips from the >>> ground up. They are licensing the ARM instruction set, not ship design. > >> I doubt it very much, > > Of course you do. > >> but please post definitive proof. > > Google is your friend. Apple has been designing their own chips for... > 8? years? So point out the one article that proves it. All I find is what core design they've used at various revisions. Nothing says they're not using the source description files from ARM (with changes as they see fit as this is a licencable form of ARM). As ARM continue to push the ARM designs Apple certainly want to use the latest and best. Quoting Wikipedia: "With the synthesizable RTL, the customer has the ability to perform architectural level optimisations and extensions. This allows the designer to achieve exotic design goals not otherwise possible with an unmodified netlist (high clock speed, very low power consumption, instruction set extensions, etc.)." But it starts with ARM's original core description files.
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| From | Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> |
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| Date | 2020-06-29 13:53 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <rddkcp$457$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #133050 |
On 2020-06-29 12:55 p.m., Alan Browne wrote: > On 2020-06-29 15:41, Lewis wrote: >> In message <xvnKG.43374$DO2.25945@fx45.iad> Alan Browne >> <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote: >>> On 2020-06-29 09:00, Lewis wrote: >>>> In message <K8lKG.19999$Vp4.7029@fx44.iad> Alan Browne >>>> <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote: >>>>> On 2020-06-28 19:51, Your Name wrote: >>>>>> On 2020-06-28 19:44:22 +0000, Alan Baker said: >>>>>>> On 2020-06-27 3:41 p.m., Arlen Holder wrote: >>>>>>>> FACT (not bullshit marketing) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Just to be clear since Apple users tend to be bamboozled by >>>>>>>> MARKETING... >>>>>>>> o It's not "Apple Silicon" in the Mac ARM so much as ARM TSMC >>>>>>>> silicon. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Except for the little fact that Apple designs the chips >>>>>>> themselves... >>>>>> >>>>>> Yep. Techncially ... >>>>>> >>>>>> A. Apple Silicon chips are not ARM chips anyway. They are designed >>>> >>>>> ARM do not make chips. The license designs. >>>> >>>>>> by Apple, *based on ARM*, and manufactured by TSMC and probably >>>> >>>>> They are ARM and Apple pay ARM a license fee for each chip. That >>>>> Apple >>>>> have added functionality is beside the point since many licensees add >>>>> some functionality to their SOC's - if not as much as Apple do - as >>>>> part >>>>> of their product integration. >>>> >>>> No, this is very wrong. Apple is designing their own chips from the >>>> ground up. They are licensing the ARM instruction set, not ship design. >> >>> I doubt it very much, >> >> Of course you do. >> >>> but please post definitive proof. >> >> Google is your friend. Apple has been designing their own chips for... >> 8? years? > > So point out the one article that proves it. All I find is what core > design they've used at various revisions. Nothing says they're not > using the source description files from ARM (with changes as they see > fit as this is a licencable form of ARM). As ARM continue to push the > ARM designs Apple certainly want to use the latest and best. Already done... > > Quoting Wikipedia: "With the synthesizable RTL, the customer has the > ability to perform architectural level optimisations and extensions. > This allows the designer to achieve exotic design goals not otherwise > possible with an unmodified netlist (high clock speed, very low power > consumption, instruction set extensions, etc.)." > > But it starts with ARM's original core description files. And from the very same Wikipedia article (for which you didn't bother to provide a link, thank you very much): 'Companies can also obtain an Arm architectural licence for designing their own CPU cores using the Arm instruction sets. These cores must comply fully with the Arm architecture. Companies that have designed cores that implement an Arm architecture include Apple,'
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| From | Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> |
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| Date | 2020-06-29 21:16 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <rddln0$m49$1@news.mixmin.net> |
| In reply to | #133050 |
On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 15:55:44 -0400, Alan Browne wrote: > But it starts with ARM's original core description files. Hi JF Mezei, An adult conversation with you is possible, where it's clear that all Apple has to do is change a single line of the synthesizable RTL, for example, and it's instantly, by virtue of one line, "Apple Silicon", so to speak. For Type III apologists like Lewis, Jolly Roger, and likely Alan Baker, that one-line change would be, in their minds, an astoundingly huge ground shaking feat on Apple's part worthy of the Apple MARKETING claims of... o *WE CHANGED ONE LINE OF ARM CODE! IT'S ALL NEW!! IT'S _APPLE SILICON_!!!* Since it's my belief there's no evidence Apple has _ever_ created a best-in-class chip, and yet, the apologists list all the A-series chips (almost all of which have unfixable holes so big in them that you can drive a Mack truck through them), it's clear that the apologists live in fantasy land. They can't cite even a _single_ best-in-class chip that Apple substantially designed in Apple's entire history. -- Not even one.
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| From | Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> |
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| Date | 2020-06-29 14:32 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <rddml7$hn3$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #133057 |
On 2020-06-29 2:16 p.m., Arlen Holder wrote: > On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 15:55:44 -0400, Alan Browne wrote: > >> But it starts with ARM's original core description files. > > Hi JF Mezei, > > An adult conversation with you is possible, where it's clear that all Apple > has to do is change a single line of the synthesizable RTL, for example, > and it's instantly, by virtue of one line, "Apple Silicon", so to speak. > > For Type III apologists like Lewis, Jolly Roger, and likely Alan Baker, > that one-line change would be, in their minds, an astoundingly huge ground > shaking feat on Apple's part worthy of the Apple MARKETING claims of... > > o *WE CHANGED ONE LINE OF ARM CODE! IT'S ALL NEW!! IT'S _APPLE SILICON_!!!* They don't change ARM code... ...because they don't USE ARM code, Arlen. They license the ARCHITECTURE, not chip designs. > > Since it's my belief there's no evidence Apple has _ever_ created a > best-in-class chip, and yet, the apologists list all the A-series chips > (almost all of which have unfixable holes so big in them that you can drive > a Mack truck through them), it's clear that the apologists live in fantasy > land. > > They can't cite even a _single_ best-in-class chip that Apple substantially > designed in Apple's entire history. Designed by Apple: Starting with: 2.4 Apple A6 'The A6 is said to use a 1.3 GHz[52] custom[53] Apple-designed ARMv7 based dual-core CPU, called Swift,[54]' 2.5 Apple A6X 2.6 Apple A7 2.7 Apple A8 2.8 Apple A8X 2.9 Apple A9 2.10 Apple A9X 2.11 Apple A10 Fusion 2.12 Apple A10X Fusion 2.13 Apple A11 Bionic 2.14 Apple A12 Bionic 2.15 Apple A12X Bionic 2.16 Apple A12Z Bionic 2.17 Apple A13 Bionic And: 'The Apple S1 is an integrated computer designed by Apple. It includes memory, storage and support circuits like wireless modems and I/O controllers in a sealed integrated package. It was announced on September 9, 2014 as part of the "Wish we could say more" event. Its first appearance was in the original Apple Watch.' So: 3 S series 3.1 Apple S1 3.2 Apple S1P 3.3 Apple S2 3.4 Apple S3 3.5 Apple S4 3.6 Apple S5 And: 4 T series 4.1 Apple T1 4.2 Apple T2 5 W series 5.1 Apple W1 5.2 Apple W2 5.3 Apple W3 6 H series 6.1 Apple H1 7 U series 7.1 Apple U1
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2020-06-30 04:19 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnrflfae.2o9t.g.kreme@ProMini.lan> |
| In reply to | #133050 |
In message <4HrKG.41441$zX4.10639@fx41.iad> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote: > On 2020-06-29 15:41, Lewis wrote: >> In message <xvnKG.43374$DO2.25945@fx45.iad> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote: >>> On 2020-06-29 09:00, Lewis wrote: >>>> In message <K8lKG.19999$Vp4.7029@fx44.iad> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote: >>>>> On 2020-06-28 19:51, Your Name wrote: >>>>>> On 2020-06-28 19:44:22 +0000, Alan Baker said: >>>>>>> On 2020-06-27 3:41 p.m., Arlen Holder wrote: >>>>>>>> FACT (not bullshit marketing) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Just to be clear since Apple users tend to be bamboozled by MARKETING... >>>>>>>> o It's not "Apple Silicon" in the Mac ARM so much as ARM TSMC silicon. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Except for the little fact that Apple designs the chips themselves... >>>>>> >>>>>> Yep. Techncially ... >>>>>> >>>>>> A. Apple Silicon chips are not ARM chips anyway. They are designed >>>> >>>>> ARM do not make chips. The license designs. >>>> >>>>>> by Apple, *based on ARM*, and manufactured by TSMC and probably >>>> >>>>> They are ARM and Apple pay ARM a license fee for each chip. That Apple >>>>> have added functionality is beside the point since many licensees add >>>>> some functionality to their SOC's - if not as much as Apple do - as part >>>>> of their product integration. >>>> >>>> No, this is very wrong. Apple is designing their own chips from the >>>> ground up. They are licensing the ARM instruction set, not ship design. >> >>> I doubt it very much, >> >> Of course you do. >> >>> but please post definitive proof. >> >> Google is your friend. Apple has been designing their own chips for... >> 8? years? > So point out the one article that proves it. You have been given information that you've evidently dismissed or ignored, Seems a waste of my time to educate you, Instead, I will correct your disinformation. > All I find is what core design they've used at various revisions. Then you need to learn to read better. Apple is designing their own chips. Your denial of this is absurd. > Nothing says they're not using the source description files from ARM > (with changes as they see fit as this is a licencable form of ARM). > As ARM continue to push the ARM designs Apple certainly want to use > the latest and best. As you have been told many times, Apple has an architecture license, which means they can license only the ARM instruction set. Which they do. They are not the only ones doing this, it is how Qualcomm designs their ARM chips as well. > Quoting Wikipedia: Are you fucking joking? -- "Are you pondering what I'm pondering?" "Are you pondering cheesesticks?"
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| From | Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> |
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| Date | 2020-06-30 04:31 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <rdef6a$h3k$1@news.mixmin.net> |
| In reply to | #133070 |
On Tue, 30 Jun 2020 04:19:26 -0000 (UTC), Lewis wrote: > Apple is designing their own > chips. Your denial of this is absurd. What's clear is Apple is desperate to differentiate away from ARM... o Even though, the technology Apple is licensing is clearly ARM Apple: "*WE CHANGED ONE LINE OF CODE! IT'S ALL NEW!! IT'S _APPLE SILICON_!!!*" All adults are asking of Lewis is for Lewis to lay out his facts... o Which Lewis, the record shows, is completely unable to produce -- Yet again, the apologists' belief system turns out to be imaginary o There are literally zero facts underlying Lewis' entire belief system
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| From | Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> |
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| Date | 2020-07-01 10:06 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <eL0LG.34503$hQ4.20404@fx39.iad> |
| In reply to | #133070 |
On 2020-06-30 00:19, Lewis wrote: > In message <4HrKG.41441$zX4.10639@fx41.iad> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote: >> On 2020-06-29 15:41, Lewis wrote: >>> In message <xvnKG.43374$DO2.25945@fx45.iad> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote: >>>> On 2020-06-29 09:00, Lewis wrote: >>>>> In message <K8lKG.19999$Vp4.7029@fx44.iad> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote: >>>>>> On 2020-06-28 19:51, Your Name wrote: >>>>>>> On 2020-06-28 19:44:22 +0000, Alan Baker said: >>>>>>>> On 2020-06-27 3:41 p.m., Arlen Holder wrote: >>>>>>>>> FACT (not bullshit marketing) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Just to be clear since Apple users tend to be bamboozled by MARKETING... >>>>>>>>> o It's not "Apple Silicon" in the Mac ARM so much as ARM TSMC silicon. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Except for the little fact that Apple designs the chips themselves... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yep. Techncially ... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> A. Apple Silicon chips are not ARM chips anyway. They are designed >>>>> >>>>>> ARM do not make chips. The license designs. >>>>> >>>>>>> by Apple, *based on ARM*, and manufactured by TSMC and probably >>>>> >>>>>> They are ARM and Apple pay ARM a license fee for each chip. That Apple >>>>>> have added functionality is beside the point since many licensees add >>>>>> some functionality to their SOC's - if not as much as Apple do - as part >>>>>> of their product integration. >>>>> >>>>> No, this is very wrong. Apple is designing their own chips from the >>>>> ground up. They are licensing the ARM instruction set, not ship design. >>> >>>> I doubt it very much, >>> >>> Of course you do. >>> >>>> but please post definitive proof. >>> >>> Google is your friend. Apple has been designing their own chips for... >>> 8? years? > >> So point out the one article that proves it. > > You have been given information that you've evidently dismissed or > ignored, Seems a waste of my time to educate you, Instead, I will > correct your disinformation. > >> All I find is what core design they've used at various revisions. > > Then you need to learn to read better. Apple is designing their own > chips. Your denial of this is absurd. > >> Nothing says they're not using the source description files from ARM >> (with changes as they see fit as this is a licencable form of ARM). >> As ARM continue to push the ARM designs Apple certainly want to use >> the latest and best. > > As you have been told many times, Apple has an architecture license, > which means they can license only the ARM instruction set. Which they do. > They are not the only ones doing this, it is how Qualcomm designs their > ARM chips as well. > >> Quoting Wikipedia: > > Are you fucking joking? No. Because that is how it works. Apple get the design file for the core and then add to it and modify to their needs. But it is central to Apple's design to use the existing design. Sorry you don't understand something so blatantly clear.
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2020-07-01 16:21 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnrfpdvq.1inu.g.kreme@ProMini.lan> |
| In reply to | #133109 |
In message <eL0LG.34503$hQ4.20404@fx39.iad> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote: > On 2020-06-30 00:19, Lewis wrote: >> In message <4HrKG.41441$zX4.10639@fx41.iad> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote: >>> Quoting Wikipedia: >> >> Are you fucking joking? > No. Quoting Wikipedia is not sufficient to make your case. Quoting it without reading it entirely exposes you being a fool. As you have been told many times, Apple has an architecture license for ARM. You might want to look up what this means. Apple designs its own chips, this is simply a fact. -- "Oh damn", said Maladict.
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| From | Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> |
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| Date | 2020-07-01 16:56 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <rdif8k$nch$1@news.mixmin.net> |
| In reply to | #133113 |
On Wed, 1 Jul 2020 16:21:14 -0000 (UTC), Lewis wrote:
> Apple designs its own chips, this is simply a fact.
Where is even a single reliable cite from you, Lewis?
o What is the evidence upon which you base you entire belief system upon?
*Apple MARKETING brochures?*
Adults, unlike Lewis, actually have a factual basis for their belief
systems, where Lewis has yet to provide any cited evidence that Apple plans
on "substantial" design improvements to the Mac ARM technology.
Of course, as little as adding a single resistor would suffice - for people
like Lewis whose belief systems are based on MARKETING glossy literature -
but in substance - you haven't provided _any_ cited evidence, Lewis, for
your (always imaginary) belief systems about the superiority of Apple
designs.
HINT: These same "superior" designs which require throttling and which have
unpatchable vulnerabilities in them so large you can drive a Mack truck
through them... those are the designs Lewis claims are superior?
The claim remains that Apple has _never_ in its entire history ever created
even a single best-in-class chip... not even one.
In fact, Apple admitted recently they aren't best in class in _any_ market
segment whatsoever... where I can easily cite the basis for that claim:
o Direct public quote from Sr. Apple exec:
"*Apple does _NOT_ have a dominant position in _ANY_ market*"
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/WQpGuZnzp2c>
--
This is the one time in its history, I think, where Apple told the truth.
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