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Does Anyone Actually Use Siri?

Started byEd Norton <norton@nowhere.com>
First post2019-01-18 12:56 -0500
Last post2019-01-19 11:46 -0500
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  Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? Ed Norton <norton@nowhere.com> - 2019-01-18 12:56 -0500
    Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-01-18 10:11 -0800
      Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2019-01-18 10:22 -0800
        Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-01-18 10:28 -0800
          Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2019-01-18 10:30 -0800
        Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2019-01-18 20:45 +0000
          Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2019-01-18 14:45 -0800
        Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-01-19 05:02 +0000
      Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? Ed Norton <norton@nowhere.com> - 2019-01-18 13:28 -0500
        Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2019-01-18 10:32 -0800
    Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2019-01-18 10:20 -0800
      Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2019-01-18 10:26 -0800
      Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-01-18 21:17 +0000
    Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? Elden <usenet@moondog.org> - 2019-01-18 13:08 -0600
      Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2019-01-18 11:18 -0800
        Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? Elden <usenet@moondog.org> - 2019-01-18 14:40 -0600
      Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-01-19 05:02 +0000
    Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2019-01-19 09:05 +1300
      Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-01-19 05:02 +0000
        Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2019-01-18 21:56 -0800
          Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2019-01-19 19:37 +1300
            Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2019-01-19 19:47 +1300
              Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-01-18 23:13 -0800
                Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2019-01-19 00:52 -0700
                  Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-01-18 23:54 -0800
                  Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2019-01-19 15:42 +0000
            Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-19 11:34 -0500
    Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-01-18 21:17 +0000
    Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2019-01-18 17:14 -0500
    Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) - 2019-01-18 19:51 -0600
      Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? Ed Norton <norton@nowhere.com> - 2019-01-18 21:03 -0500
        Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) - 2019-01-19 18:34 -0600
      Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2019-01-19 16:17 +1300
        Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-01-18 23:14 -0800
    Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2019-01-18 20:53 -0700
      Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2019-01-19 17:04 +1300
        Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) - 2019-01-19 18:36 -0600
          Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2019-01-20 04:26 +0000
      Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-01-19 08:14 +0000
        Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2019-01-19 04:26 -0700
          Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-01-19 13:24 +0000
            Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2019-01-19 07:31 -0700
              Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-01-19 15:08 +0000
                Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-01-19 17:18 +0000
                  Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-01-19 18:29 +0000
                    Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2019-01-19 11:03 -0800
                      Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-01-19 19:08 +0000
                    Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-19 14:11 -0500
                    Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-01-19 19:35 +0000
                      Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-01-19 20:02 +0000
                        Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-01-19 20:12 +0000
                          Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-01-19 20:17 +0000
                            Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-01-20 03:33 +0000
                              Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-01-20 13:16 +0000
                                Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-01-20 17:52 +0000
                                  Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-01-20 19:54 +0000
                                    Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-20 14:57 -0500
                                    Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-01-21 00:19 +0000
                                      Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-01-21 17:45 +0000
                                        Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-21 12:58 -0500
                                      Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2019-01-22 04:18 +0000
                                        Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? Elden <usenet@moondog.org> - 2019-01-22 12:13 -0600
                                          Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2019-01-22 21:48 +0000
                                          Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-01-23 21:41 +0000
                                            Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2019-01-24 01:09 +0000
                                              Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-01-24 16:21 +0000
                                Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2019-01-20 11:59 -0800
                                  Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-01-20 20:28 +0000
                                    Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2019-01-20 13:51 -0800
                                      Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-01-20 22:07 +0000
                                        Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? YK <xxxxx@dialme.com> - 2019-01-20 17:51 -0500
                                          Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-01-20 23:37 +0000
                                            Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2019-01-21 12:47 -0700
                                              Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-01-21 20:51 +0000
                                          Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2019-01-21 13:27 +1300
                                            Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? YK <xxxxx@dialme.com> - 2019-01-20 20:06 -0500
                                              Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2019-01-21 14:29 +1300
                                              Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-01-21 17:36 +0000
                                            Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2019-01-20 17:09 -0800
                                              Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2019-01-20 17:18 -0800
                                                Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2019-01-21 18:35 +1300
                                                  Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2019-01-20 22:58 -0800
                Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-01-19 11:26 -0800
                  Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-01-19 20:21 +0000
                    Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-01-19 12:25 -0800
                      Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-01-19 20:46 +0000
                        Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-01-19 12:57 -0800
                          Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-01-19 22:49 +0000
                            Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-01-19 15:19 -0800
        Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2019-01-19 15:44 +0000
          Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-01-19 18:34 +0000
            Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2019-01-19 11:03 -0800
              Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-01-19 19:14 +0000
                Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-01-19 20:06 +0000
                  Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? "David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-01-19 20:10 +0000
                    Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-01-20 03:31 +0000
      Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2019-01-19 15:44 +0000
    Re: Does Anyone Actually Use Siri? Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2019-01-19 11:46 -0500

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#120761

FromYour Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
Date2019-01-19 19:37 +1300
Message-ID<q1ugk0$1kgj$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#120760
On 2019-01-19 05:56:00 +0000, gtr said:
> On 2019-01-19 05:02:05 +0000, Jolly Roger said:
>> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>>> On 2019-01-18 17:56:07 +0000, Ed Norton said:
>>>> 
>>>> I mean after the novelty wears off.  Seems like one of those appliances
>>>> that you see on late-night TV that you think will be so useful and ends
>>>> up just sitting on your counter never used.  Like the Bagel Cutter or
>>>> the Apple Peeler or the Ronco Dehydrator.
>>> 
>>> A few people use it, but for most it's just a gimmick to be toyed with
>>> as an initial novelty / "look at me" or they don't even know it exists.
>> 
>> Bullshit from hopelessly out of touch Your Name, as usual.

Says the braindead moron who only knows what he and his five geeky 
friends do, and blindly believes everyone in the world does that too.   
:-\



> I don't know about the generalized "most people", but I know a lot of 
> people with iPhones and none seem to make use of Siri at all.  I'm not 
> talking about the tech-heads, but mosts of my crew is 55+, and I may be 
> the only one among them that uses it.  I don't know about the kids.

Add in the Mac users and it's a very small minority of users who bother 
with Siri, let alone know it even exists.

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#120762

FromYour Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
Date2019-01-19 19:47 +1300
Message-ID<q1uh6q$1mrp$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#120761
On 2019-01-19 06:37:53 +0000, Your Name said:

> On 2019-01-19 05:56:00 +0000, gtr said:
>> On 2019-01-19 05:02:05 +0000, Jolly Roger said:
>>> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2019-01-18 17:56:07 +0000, Ed Norton said:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I mean after the novelty wears off.  Seems like one of those appliances
>>>>> that you see on late-night TV that you think will be so useful and ends
>>>>> up just sitting on your counter never used.  Like the Bagel Cutter or
>>>>> the Apple Peeler or the Ronco Dehydrator.
>>>> 
>>>> A few people use it, but for most it's just a gimmick to be toyed with
>>>> as an initial novelty / "look at me" or they don't even know it exists.
>>> 
>>> Bullshit from hopelessly out of touch Your Name, as usual.
> 
> Says the braindead moron who only knows what he and his five geeky 
> friends do, and blindly believes everyone in the world does that too.   
> :-\
> 
> 
> 
>> I don't know about the generalized "most people", but I know a lot of 
>> people with iPhones and none seem to make use of Siri at all.  I'm not 
>> talking about the tech-heads, but mosts of my crew is 55+, and I may be 
>> the only one among them that uses it.  I don't know about the kids.
> 
> Add in the Mac users and it's a very small minority of users who bother 
> with Siri, let alone know it even exists.

I should have said, it's not just Siri, it's all the other silly 
gimmick voice recognition systems as well that aren't really used by 
the vast majority of device owners, whether that's Apple, Windoze, or 
Google.

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#120763

FromAlan Baker <nunya@ness.biz>
Date2019-01-18 23:13 -0800
Message-ID<q1uin0$1s8c$2@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#120762
On 2019-01-18 10:47 p.m., Your Name wrote:
> On 2019-01-19 06:37:53 +0000, Your Name said:
> 
>> On 2019-01-19 05:56:00 +0000, gtr said:
>>> On 2019-01-19 05:02:05 +0000, Jolly Roger said:
>>>> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 2019-01-18 17:56:07 +0000, Ed Norton said:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I mean after the novelty wears off.  Seems like one of those 
>>>>>> appliances
>>>>>> that you see on late-night TV that you think will be so useful and 
>>>>>> ends
>>>>>> up just sitting on your counter never used.  Like the Bagel Cutter or
>>>>>> the Apple Peeler or the Ronco Dehydrator.
>>>>>
>>>>> A few people use it, but for most it's just a gimmick to be toyed with
>>>>> as an initial novelty / "look at me" or they don't even know it 
>>>>> exists.
>>>>
>>>> Bullshit from hopelessly out of touch Your Name, as usual.
>>
>> Says the braindead moron who only knows what he and his five geeky 
>> friends do, and blindly believes everyone in the world does that too. :-\
>>
>>
>>
>>> I don't know about the generalized "most people", but I know a lot of 
>>> people with iPhones and none seem to make use of Siri at all.  I'm 
>>> not talking about the tech-heads, but mosts of my crew is 55+, and I 
>>> may be the only one among them that uses it.  I don't know about the 
>>> kids.
>>
>> Add in the Mac users and it's a very small minority of users who 
>> bother with Siri, let alone know it even exists.
> 
> I should have said, it's not just Siri, it's all the other silly gimmick 
> voice recognition systems as well that aren't really used by the vast 
> majority of device owners, whether that's Apple, Windoze, or Google.
> 

Siri on an iPhone is in no way "gimmicky".

It is a faster, better way to do many things.

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#120765

FromAndré G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid>
Date2019-01-19 00:52 -0700
Message-ID<q1ul06$2rj$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#120763
On 2019-01-19 12:13 a.m., Alan Baker wrote:
> On 2019-01-18 10:47 p.m., Your Name wrote:
>> On 2019-01-19 06:37:53 +0000, Your Name said:
>>
>>> On 2019-01-19 05:56:00 +0000, gtr said:
>>>> On 2019-01-19 05:02:05 +0000, Jolly Roger said:
>>>>> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On 2019-01-18 17:56:07 +0000, Ed Norton said:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I mean after the novelty wears off.  Seems like one of those 
>>>>>>> appliances
>>>>>>> that you see on late-night TV that you think will be so useful 
>>>>>>> and ends
>>>>>>> up just sitting on your counter never used.  Like the Bagel 
>>>>>>> Cutter or
>>>>>>> the Apple Peeler or the Ronco Dehydrator.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A few people use it, but for most it's just a gimmick to be toyed 
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> as an initial novelty / "look at me" or they don't even know it 
>>>>>> exists.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bullshit from hopelessly out of touch Your Name, as usual.
>>>
>>> Says the braindead moron who only knows what he and his five geeky 
>>> friends do, and blindly believes everyone in the world does that too. 
>>> :-\
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> I don't know about the generalized "most people", but I know a lot 
>>>> of people with iPhones and none seem to make use of Siri at all.  
>>>> I'm not talking about the tech-heads, but mosts of my crew is 55+, 
>>>> and I may be the only one among them that uses it.  I don't know 
>>>> about the kids.
>>>
>>> Add in the Mac users and it's a very small minority of users who 
>>> bother with Siri, let alone know it even exists.
>>
>> I should have said, it's not just Siri, it's all the other silly 
>> gimmick voice recognition systems as well that aren't really used by 
>> the vast majority of device owners, whether that's Apple, Windoze, or 
>> Google.
>>
> 
> Siri on an iPhone is in no way "gimmicky".
> 
> It is a faster, better way to do many things.

This seems like a rather silly debate. Either you find it useful, as 
apparently many do, or, like me, you don't. Neither is the 'correct' answer.

A bigger issue than usefulness is privacy. I'm only mildly concerned 
about this where Siri or Cortana are concerned, but I'd have strong 
reservations about using Google Assistant (or possibly Alexa).

André

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#120766

FromAlan Baker <nunya@ness.biz>
Date2019-01-18 23:54 -0800
Message-ID<q1ul2p$6jh$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#120765
On 2019-01-18 11:52 p.m., André G. Isaak wrote:
> On 2019-01-19 12:13 a.m., Alan Baker wrote:
>> On 2019-01-18 10:47 p.m., Your Name wrote:
>>> On 2019-01-19 06:37:53 +0000, Your Name said:
>>>
>>>> On 2019-01-19 05:56:00 +0000, gtr said:
>>>>> On 2019-01-19 05:02:05 +0000, Jolly Roger said:
>>>>>> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2019-01-18 17:56:07 +0000, Ed Norton said:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I mean after the novelty wears off.  Seems like one of those 
>>>>>>>> appliances
>>>>>>>> that you see on late-night TV that you think will be so useful 
>>>>>>>> and ends
>>>>>>>> up just sitting on your counter never used.  Like the Bagel 
>>>>>>>> Cutter or
>>>>>>>> the Apple Peeler or the Ronco Dehydrator.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A few people use it, but for most it's just a gimmick to be toyed 
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>> as an initial novelty / "look at me" or they don't even know it 
>>>>>>> exists.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bullshit from hopelessly out of touch Your Name, as usual.
>>>>
>>>> Says the braindead moron who only knows what he and his five geeky 
>>>> friends do, and blindly believes everyone in the world does that 
>>>> too. :-\
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I don't know about the generalized "most people", but I know a lot 
>>>>> of people with iPhones and none seem to make use of Siri at all. 
>>>>> I'm not talking about the tech-heads, but mosts of my crew is 55+, 
>>>>> and I may be the only one among them that uses it.  I don't know 
>>>>> about the kids.
>>>>
>>>> Add in the Mac users and it's a very small minority of users who 
>>>> bother with Siri, let alone know it even exists.
>>>
>>> I should have said, it's not just Siri, it's all the other silly 
>>> gimmick voice recognition systems as well that aren't really used by 
>>> the vast majority of device owners, whether that's Apple, Windoze, or 
>>> Google.
>>>
>>
>> Siri on an iPhone is in no way "gimmicky".
>>
>> It is a faster, better way to do many things.
> 
> This seems like a rather silly debate. Either you find it useful, as 
> apparently many do, or, like me, you don't. Neither is the 'correct' 
> answer.

Silly reasons for saying something is useless are silly whether you use 
the thing or not.

> 
> A bigger issue than usefulness is privacy. I'm only mildly concerned 
> about this where Siri or Cortana are concerned, but I'd have strong 
> reservations about using Google Assistant (or possibly Alexa).
> 
> André
> 

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#120781

FromLewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
Date2019-01-19 15:42 +0000
Message-ID<slrnq46hao.2ks7.g.kreme@Snow.local>
In reply to#120765
In message <q1ul06$2rj$1@dont-email.me> André G  Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> wrote:
> On 2019-01-19 12:13 a.m., Alan Baker wrote:
>> On 2019-01-18 10:47 p.m., Your Name wrote:
>>> On 2019-01-19 06:37:53 +0000, Your Name said:
>>>
>>>> On 2019-01-19 05:56:00 +0000, gtr said:
>>>>> On 2019-01-19 05:02:05 +0000, Jolly Roger said:
>>>>>> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2019-01-18 17:56:07 +0000, Ed Norton said:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I mean after the novelty wears off.  Seems like one of those 
>>>>>>>> appliances
>>>>>>>> that you see on late-night TV that you think will be so useful 
>>>>>>>> and ends
>>>>>>>> up just sitting on your counter never used.  Like the Bagel 
>>>>>>>> Cutter or
>>>>>>>> the Apple Peeler or the Ronco Dehydrator.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A few people use it, but for most it's just a gimmick to be toyed 
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>> as an initial novelty / "look at me" or they don't even know it 
>>>>>>> exists.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bullshit from hopelessly out of touch Your Name, as usual.
>>>>
>>>> Says the braindead moron who only knows what he and his five geeky 
>>>> friends do, and blindly believes everyone in the world does that too. 
>>>> :-\
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I don't know about the generalized "most people", but I know a lot 
>>>>> of people with iPhones and none seem to make use of Siri at all.  
>>>>> I'm not talking about the tech-heads, but mosts of my crew is 55+, 
>>>>> and I may be the only one among them that uses it.  I don't know 
>>>>> about the kids.
>>>>
>>>> Add in the Mac users and it's a very small minority of users who 
>>>> bother with Siri, let alone know it even exists.
>>>
>>> I should have said, it's not just Siri, it's all the other silly 
>>> gimmick voice recognition systems as well that aren't really used by 
>>> the vast majority of device owners, whether that's Apple, Windoze, or 
>>> Google.
>>>
>> 
>> Siri on an iPhone is in no way "gimmicky".
>> 
>> It is a faster, better way to do many things.

> This seems like a rather silly debate. Either you find it useful, as 
> apparently many do, or, like me, you don't. Neither is the 'correct' answer.

If that were the extent of the naysayers, you would be right. But no,
they are saying things like "no one uses it" and "it's a gimmick" and
"it doesn't work" all of which are false statements.

> A bigger issue than usefulness is privacy. I'm only mildly concerned 
> about this where Siri or Cortana are concerned, but I'd have strong 
> reservations about using Google Assistant (or possibly Alexa).

I've removed my Alexa devices. I didn't fin them helpful and I don't
believe Amazon is trustworthy enough to have microphones in my house.

-- 
Some humans would do anything to see if it was possible to do it. If you
put a large switch in some cave somewhere, with a sign on it saying
"End-of-the-World Switch. PLEASE DO NOT TOUCH," the paint wouldn't even
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#120784

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2019-01-19 11:34 -0500
Message-ID<190120191134559035%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#120761
In article <q1ugk0$1kgj$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Your Name
<YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

> >>>> I mean after the novelty wears off.  Seems like one of those appliances
> >>>> that you see on late-night TV that you think will be so useful and ends
> >>>> up just sitting on your counter never used.  Like the Bagel Cutter or
> >>>> the Apple Peeler or the Ronco Dehydrator.
> >>> 
> >>> A few people use it, but for most it's just a gimmick to be toyed with
> >>> as an initial novelty / "look at me" or they don't even know it exists.
> >> 
> >> Bullshit from hopelessly out of touch Your Name, as usual.
> 
> Says the braindead moron who only knows what he and his five geeky 
> friends do, and blindly believes everyone in the world does that too.   
> :-\

more like his 500 million geeky friends, and that was a year ago.

<https://www.macrumors.com/2018/01/23/siri-usage-half-a-billion-devices/>
  In today's announcement about the HomePod's February 9 launch date,
  Apple quietly provided new data on how many people are using Siri.
  According to the company, Siri is now actively used on more than half
  a billion devices.

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#120740

FromJolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date2019-01-18 21:17 +0000
Message-ID<gaeu3vFqfqeU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#120722
Ed Norton <norton@nowhere.com> wrote:
> I mean after the novelty wears off.  Seems like one of those appliances 
> that you see on late-night TV that you think will be so useful and ends 
> up just sitting on your counter never used.  Like the Bagel Cutter or 
> the Apple Peeler or the Ronco Dehydrator.

I use it all the time.

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#120742

FromAlan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com>
Date2019-01-18 17:14 -0500
Message-ID<FamdnbEaIu0o0t_BnZ2dnUU7-W-dnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#120722
On 2019-01-18 12:56, Ed Norton wrote:
> I mean after the novelty wears off.

I don't use it as a novelty.  I use it to get info quickly and it 
succeeds often.  Unfortunately it can't decipher French well when in 
English "mode" so makes errors with many name or things.

But I do use it.

Note on my SO's Watch, the error rate is far lower.  Probably a better 
microphone/noise reduction/sampling system.

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  need immigrants to do jobs that most Americans wouldn't do."
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#120752

Fromant@zimage.comANT (Ant)
Date2019-01-18 19:51 -0600
Message-ID<SvidnU62ma8bH9_BnZ2dnUU7-aOdnZ2d@earthlink.com>
In reply to#120722
Ed Norton <norton@nowhere.com> wrote:
> I mean after the novelty wears off.  Seems like one of those appliances 
> that you see on late-night TV that you think will be so useful and ends 
> up just sitting on your counter never used.  Like the Bagel Cutter or 
> the Apple Peeler or the Ronco Dehydrator.

Not me due to my speech impediment. She doesn't understand me at all 
like humans and other English listeners. :(
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significance than the scurryings of ants to the wide universe, and are 
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#120753

FromEd Norton <norton@nowhere.com>
Date2019-01-18 21:03 -0500
Message-ID<0001HW.D867EFA4058994F9B02919BF@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#120752
On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 20:51:02 -0500, Ant wrote
(in article <SvidnU62ma8bH9_BnZ2dnUU7-aOdnZ2d@earthlink.com>):

> Ed Norton <norton@nowhere.com> wrote:
>> I mean after the novelty wears off.  Seems like one of those appliances 
>> that you see on late-night TV that you think will be so useful and ends 
>> up just sitting on your counter never used.  Like the Bagel Cutter or 
>> the Apple Peeler or the Ronco Dehydrator.
> 
> Not me due to my speech impediment. She doesn't understand me at all 
> like humans and other English listeners. :(
> 

Ever read "The Ants" by Holldobler and Wilson?  Fascinating book but it 
wore me out :)

-- 
Ed

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#120818

Fromant@zimage.comANT (Ant)
Date2019-01-19 18:34 -0600
Message-ID<2LWdnQbfAsWPX97BnZ2dnUU7-VudnZ2d@earthlink.com>
In reply to#120753
Ed Norton <norton@nowhere.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 20:51:02 -0500, Ant wrote
> (in article <SvidnU62ma8bH9_BnZ2dnUU7-aOdnZ2d@earthlink.com>):

> > Ed Norton <norton@nowhere.com> wrote:
> >> I mean after the novelty wears off.  Seems like one of those appliances 
> >> that you see on late-night TV that you think will be so useful and ends 
> >> up just sitting on your counter never used.  Like the Bagel Cutter or 
> >> the Apple Peeler or the Ronco Dehydrator.
> > 
> > Not me due to my speech impediment. She doesn't understand me at all 
> > like humans and other English listeners. :(
> > 

> Ever read "The Ants" by Holldobler and Wilson?  Fascinating book but it 
> wore me out :)

Yep. I got that book when it was released back then. It was sure 
expensive, heavy, huge, and very technical. I still have it! :D

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#120754

FromYour Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
Date2019-01-19 16:17 +1300
Message-ID<q1u4s0$6a6$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#120752
On 2019-01-19 01:51:02 +0000, Ant said:

> Ed Norton <norton@nowhere.com> wrote:
>> I mean after the novelty wears off.  Seems like one of those appliances
>> that you see on late-night TV that you think will be so useful and ends
>> up just sitting on your counter never used.  Like the Bagel Cutter or
>> the Apple Peeler or the Ronco Dehydrator.
> 
> Not me due to my speech impediment. She doesn't understand me at all
> like humans and other English listeners. :(

I wouldn't worry about it, Siri has a hard job understanding anyone 
without a plain (usually American) accent. If oyu've got something like 
a Scots accent, then you can forget it ever undstanding you. One of 
many reason speech "recognition" will never be a replacement for 
entering text into computers andwhy these automated phone system that 
insist on using such things are ridiculously stupid. The NZ tax 
department started using a ridiculous speech "recognition" system a few 
years ago on their help desk phone to supposedly speed up assisance, 
and it's utterly useless and can't understand much of anything (no 
doubt the real reason for using it was to put people off trying to ring 
them!).

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#120764

FromAlan Baker <nunya@ness.biz>
Date2019-01-18 23:14 -0800
Message-ID<q1uipj$1s8c$3@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#120754
On 2019-01-18 7:17 p.m., Your Name wrote:
> On 2019-01-19 01:51:02 +0000, Ant said:
> 
>> Ed Norton <norton@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>> I mean after the novelty wears off.  Seems like one of those appliances
>>> that you see on late-night TV that you think will be so useful and ends
>>> up just sitting on your counter never used.  Like the Bagel Cutter or
>>> the Apple Peeler or the Ronco Dehydrator.
>>
>> Not me due to my speech impediment. She doesn't understand me at all
>> like humans and other English listeners. :(
> 
> I wouldn't worry about it, Siri has a hard job understanding anyone 
> without a plain (usually American) accent. If oyu've got something like 
> a Scots accent, then you can forget it ever undstanding you. One of many 
> reason speech "recognition" will never be a replacement for entering 
> text into computers andwhy these automated phone system that insist on 
> using such things are ridiculously stupid. The NZ tax department started 
> using a ridiculous speech "recognition" system a few years ago on their 
> help desk phone to supposedly speed up assisance, and it's utterly 
> useless and can't understand much of anything (no doubt the real reason 
> for using it was to put people off trying to ring them!).
> 

Sorry, but the fact that speech recognition has yet to be perfected for 
certain dialects and accents says absolutely nothing about its utility 
where the recognition works well.

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#120755

FromAndré G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid>
Date2019-01-18 20:53 -0700
Message-ID<q1u6vt$7mu$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#120722
On 2019-01-18 10:56 a.m., Ed Norton wrote:
> I mean after the novelty wears off.  Seems like one of those appliances
> that you see on late-night TV that you think will be so useful and ends
> up just sitting on your counter never used.  Like the Bagel Cutter or
> the Apple Peeler or the Ronco Dehydrator.

I don't recall any period of novelty. I have an iMac and no iDevices. 
I've never even turned Siri on let alone actually used it.

André

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#120756

FromYour Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
Date2019-01-19 17:04 +1300
Message-ID<q1u7kq$gvd$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#120755
On 2019-01-19 03:53:33 +0000, André G. Isaak said:
> On 2019-01-18 10:56 a.m., Ed Norton wrote:
>> 
>> I mean after the novelty wears off.  Seems like one of those appliances
>> that you see on late-night TV that you think will be so useful and ends
>> up just sitting on your counter never used.  Like the Bagel Cutter or
>> the Apple Peeler or the Ronco Dehydrator.
> 
> I don't recall any period of novelty. I have an iMac and no iDevices. 
> I've never even turned Siri on let alone actually used it.
> 
> André

I don't even have a microphone to be able to use Siri even if I wanted 
to (which I don't).

The joys of the Mac Mini ... no silly microphone or webcam to be 
"hijacked" by nasty people.    ;-)

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#120819

Fromant@zimage.comANT (Ant)
Date2019-01-19 18:36 -0600
Message-ID<2LWdnQHfAsUbX97BnZ2dnUU7-VudnZ2d@earthlink.com>
In reply to#120756
Your Name <YourName@yourisp.com> wrote:
> On 2019-01-19 03:53:33 +0000, André G. Isaak said:
> > On 2019-01-18 10:56 a.m., Ed Norton wrote:
> >> 
> >> I mean after the novelty wears off.  Seems like one of those appliances
> >> that you see on late-night TV that you think will be so useful and ends
> >> up just sitting on your counter never used.  Like the Bagel Cutter or
> >> the Apple Peeler or the Ronco Dehydrator.
> > 
> > I don't recall any period of novelty. I have an iMac and no iDevices. 
> > I've never even turned Siri on let alone actually used it.
> > 
> > André

> I don't even have a microphone to be able to use Siri even if I wanted 
> to (which I don't).

> The joys of the Mac Mini ... no silly microphone or webcam to be 
> "hijacked" by nasty people.    ;-)

Ditto. Sure, we can covered up our webcams easily with a tape, but mic 
is not possible unless physically disconnected. :(

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#120822

FromLewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
Date2019-01-20 04:26 +0000
Message-ID<slrnq47u40.30pi.g.kreme@Snow.local>
In reply to#120819
In message <2LWdnQHfAsUbX97BnZ2dnUU7-VudnZ2d@earthlink.com> Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
> Your Name <YourName@yourisp.com> wrote:
>> On 2019-01-19 03:53:33 +0000, André G. Isaak said:
>> > On 2019-01-18 10:56 a.m., Ed Norton wrote:
>> >> 
>> >> I mean after the novelty wears off.  Seems like one of those appliances
>> >> that you see on late-night TV that you think will be so useful and ends
>> >> up just sitting on your counter never used.  Like the Bagel Cutter or
>> >> the Apple Peeler or the Ronco Dehydrator.
>> > 
>> > I don't recall any period of novelty. I have an iMac and no iDevices. 
>> > I've never even turned Siri on let alone actually used it.
>> > 
>> > André

>> I don't even have a microphone to be able to use Siri even if I wanted 
>> to (which I don't).

>> The joys of the Mac Mini ... no silly microphone or webcam to be 
>> "hijacked" by nasty people.    ;-)

> Ditto. Sure, we can covered up our webcams easily with a tape, but mic 
> is not possible unless physically disconnected. :(

Ah, the stupidity and ignorance of taping up your Mac's camera!

Amazing how little knowledge many people care to possess.


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#120767

From"David B." <"David B"@nomail.afraid.org>
Date2019-01-19 08:14 +0000
Message-ID<Z%A0E.41463$7S2.41268@fx08.fr7>
In reply to#120755
On 19/01/2019 03:53, André G. Isaak wrote:
> On 2019-01-18 10:56 a.m., Ed Norton wrote:
>> I mean after the novelty wears off.  Seems like one of those appliances
>> that you see on late-night TV that you think will be so useful and ends
>> up just sitting on your counter never used.  Like the Bagel Cutter or
>> the Apple Peeler or the Ronco Dehydrator.
> 
> I don't recall any period of novelty. I have an iMac and no iDevices. 
> I've never even turned Siri on let alone actually used it.
> 
> André

A question! (in fun!)

Why is your name shown like this in your message header?

André

At least, that's how it looks on MY iMac!
-- 
David B.

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#120772

FromAndré G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid>
Date2019-01-19 04:26 -0700
Message-ID<q1v1ht$4jr$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#120767
On 2019-01-19 1:14 a.m., David B. wrote:
> On 19/01/2019 03:53, André G. Isaak wrote:
>> On 2019-01-18 10:56 a.m., Ed Norton wrote:
>>> I mean after the novelty wears off.  Seems like one of those appliances
>>> that you see on late-night TV that you think will be so useful and ends
>>> up just sitting on your counter never used.  Like the Bagel Cutter or
>>> the Apple Peeler or the Ronco Dehydrator.
>>
>> I don't recall any period of novelty. I have an iMac and no iDevices. 
>> I've never even turned Siri on let alone actually used it.
>>
>> André
> 
> A question! (in fun!)
> 
> Why is your name shown like this in your message header?
> 
> André
> 
> At least, that's how it looks on MY iMac!

Presumably because your newsreader is trying to process it as some 
legacy codepage rather than as UTF-8.

André

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