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Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos?

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  Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2018-06-01 22:57 -0500
    Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-01 23:59 -0400
      Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2018-06-01 21:12 -0700
        Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-02 00:25 -0400
          Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? "Snit's dysautonomia http://bit.ly/2Jqpplk" <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-03 02:36 -0700
        Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-06-02 17:07 +1200
          Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-06 19:24 -0700
            Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-06-07 14:49 +1200
      Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-06-01 21:41 -0700
        Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-06-02 17:01 +1200
        Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-02 01:12 -0400
          Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-06-01 23:19 -0700
        Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2018-06-09 09:55 -0400
          Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-09 09:38 -0700
          Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-06-09 17:13 -0400
            Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-09 14:20 -0700
            Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-09 17:23 -0400
              Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2018-06-09 17:57 -0700
                Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-09 21:06 -0400
                  Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2018-06-09 22:15 -0700
                    Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-06-10 18:33 +1200
                      Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2018-06-10 14:08 -0700
                        Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-06-11 09:26 +1200
                          Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2018-06-10 14:52 -0700
                            Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-06-11 11:49 +1200
                            Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2018-06-11 03:47 +0000
                        Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2018-06-10 21:43 +0000
                          Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2018-06-10 14:53 -0700
                            Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2018-06-11 12:24 +1200
                              Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2018-06-10 17:48 -0700
                                Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-06-11 13:20 +1200
                                  Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2018-06-10 18:26 -0700
                                Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2018-06-11 13:36 +1200
                                  Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-11 01:07 -0700
                              Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-10 21:27 -0700
                          Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-10 15:19 -0700
                        Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-06-10 18:12 -0400
                          Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-06-11 12:03 +1200
                          Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? rlhamil@smart.net (Richard L. Hamilton) - 2018-06-13 19:43 +0000
                    Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-10 01:30 -0700
                    Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-10 08:48 -0400
                      Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-10 07:15 -0700
                      Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-06-17 17:14 +0000
                        Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-17 15:04 -0400
                          Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-06-17 22:22 +0000
                            Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-17 18:36 -0400
                              Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-06-18 00:45 +0000
                                Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-17 20:57 -0400
                Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-06-10 13:49 +1200
            Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-06-10 10:35 +1200
      Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2018-06-02 01:29 -0500
        Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-06-02 00:02 -0700
          Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-06-03 11:50 +1200
            Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? "Snit's dysautonomia http://bit.ly/2Jqpplk" <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-03 06:14 -0700
        Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-02 09:03 -0400
        Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2018-06-02 11:40 -0500
          Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-02 13:22 -0400
            Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2018-06-02 18:43 -0500
              Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? Percival John Hackworth <pjh@nanoworks.com> - 2018-06-03 02:11 -0700
                Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2018-06-03 11:48 -0700
                  Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? Percival John Hackworth <pjh@nanoworks.com> - 2018-06-03 12:58 -0700
                    Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-06-04 09:01 +1200
                      Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? Percival John Hackworth <pjh@nanoworks.com> - 2018-06-03 14:37 -0700
                        Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2018-06-04 12:51 +1200
                          Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-03 21:50 -0700
                        Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-06-05 10:13 +0000
                          Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2018-06-05 18:39 -0700
                            Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-05 21:44 -0400
                            Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-06-06 15:21 +1200
                              Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-06 06:46 -0700
                            Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-06-06 06:41 +0000
                              Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2018-06-06 10:10 -0700
                                Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-06-07 09:14 +1200
                                  Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-06-06 17:20 -0400
                                    Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-06-07 14:44 +1200
                                      Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? Krzysztof Mitko <invalid@kmitko.at.list.dot.pl> - 2018-06-07 04:29 +0000
                                        Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2018-06-06 21:36 -0700
                                          Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? Krzysztof Mitko <invalid@kmitko.at.list.dot.pl> - 2018-06-07 05:01 +0000
                                            Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2018-06-06 22:38 -0700
                                        Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-06-07 18:27 +1200
                                          Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2018-06-07 12:06 -0700
                                            Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-06-08 09:30 +1200
                                              Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2018-06-07 16:44 -0700
                                                Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2018-06-08 00:50 +0000
                                                Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-08 07:58 -0700
                                  Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2018-06-07 13:53 +1200
                                  Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2018-06-06 19:10 -0700
                                    Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-06-17 17:08 +0000
              Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-06-05 10:11 +0000
          Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-06-03 11:48 +1200
            Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2018-06-02 19:23 -0500
              Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2018-06-03 23:14 -0500
                Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2018-06-04 17:12 +1200
                  Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-06-04 19:13 +1200
                    Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-04 02:33 -0700
                  Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2018-06-04 02:43 -0500
                    Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-04 08:20 -0700
                  Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2018-06-05 03:40 -0500
                Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-06-04 19:09 +1200
                  Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2018-06-04 02:44 -0500
                    Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-06-05 08:55 +1200
                      Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2018-06-05 02:44 -0500
                        Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-06-06 09:25 +1200
      Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2018-06-05 10:50 +0200

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#117205

In article <pfic5n$vb1$1@news.albasani.net>, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:

> >> 
> >> The "replacement" for QT7Pro, at least for me, is folder full of
> >> utiltiies which would include iMovie, Screenflow, Handbrake, mp4tools,
> >> mp4joiner and the like.
> > 
> > those are apps.
> > 
> > quicktime 7 is a part of the operating system, although not for long.
> > its replacement is quicktime x.
> > 
> > any app that uses qt7 will cease to function when qt7 goes away. some
> > might be updated. some (probably most) won't.
> 
> What app uses qt7, I wonder?

quicktime is the underlying multimedia technology built into the os.

quicktime player is one of many apps that uses quicktime.

quicktime player 7 uses quicktime 7 and will stop working when qt7
does, which will be next year, along with other apps that use qt7.

quicktime player uses quicktime x (avfoundation) and will continue to
work because qtx won't stop working.

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#117207

On Sunday, June 10, 2018 at 5:48:41 AM UTC-7, nospam wrote:
> In article <pfic5n$vb1$1@news.albasani.net>, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
> 
> > >> 
> > >> The "replacement" for QT7Pro, at least for me, is folder full of
> > >> utiltiies which would include iMovie, Screenflow, Handbrake, mp4tools,
> > >> mp4joiner and the like.
> > > 
> > > those are apps.
> > > 
> > > quicktime 7 is a part of the operating system, although not for long.
> > > its replacement is quicktime x.
> > > 
> > > any app that uses qt7 will cease to function when qt7 goes away. some
> > > might be updated. some (probably most) won't.
> > 
> > What app uses qt7, I wonder?
> 
> quicktime is the underlying multimedia technology built into the os.
> 
> quicktime player is one of many apps that uses quicktime.
> 
> quicktime player 7 uses quicktime 7 and will stop working when qt7
> does, which will be next year, along with other apps that use qt7.
> 
> quicktime player uses quicktime x (avfoundation) and will continue to
> work because qtx won't stop working.



All that Sandman cares about is that Sandman gets to broadcast his poorly written flyer and then hang up and giggle about it. The fact that Snit (a real advocate) is an innocent patsy on the other end of the phone is the game. Despite Sandman's claim that he has "no experience in making automated posts" (a lie as exposed by the fact that he annoyed everyone in COLA) he was seen asking IT departments how they would install a virus remotely. 

Sandman does not know if there is a encumbered FOSS program to handle such tasks. Was that meant to be your best shot? I just configured a KF and won't be impacted by the flooding. Sandman's idiocy has made an absolute cesspool of usenet via Google Groups, so I don't make an attempt reading your posts with my phone anymore. One thing he has accomplished with this behavior is that the Sandman ban has been shown to clearly be the right thing. 

What is your evidence? 

Who doesn't know that this kind of hooey is Sandman's modus operandi, not the modus operandi of Snit (a real advocate)? It's all just nonsense... the endless posting, the sock puppets, the writing of gibberish, the temper... the diaper rash and tendency to show how ashamed he is over being kicked from the schoolyard for shitting in it again... all of it. 



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#117270

In message <100620180848411089%nospam@nospam.invalid> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <pfic5n$vb1$1@news.albasani.net>, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:

>> >> 
>> >> The "replacement" for QT7Pro, at least for me, is folder full of
>> >> utiltiies which would include iMovie, Screenflow, Handbrake, mp4tools,
>> >> mp4joiner and the like.
>> > 
>> > those are apps.
>> > 
>> > quicktime 7 is a part of the operating system, although not for long.
>> > its replacement is quicktime x.
>> > 
>> > any app that uses qt7 will cease to function when qt7 goes away. some
>> > might be updated. some (probably most) won't.
>> 
>> What app uses qt7, I wonder?

> quicktime is the underlying multimedia technology built into the os.

WAS

> quicktime player is one of many apps that uses quicktime.

WAS

> quicktime player 7 uses quicktime 7 and will stop working when qt7
> does, which will be next year, along with other apps that use qt7.

> quicktime player uses quicktime x (avfoundation) and will continue to
> work because qtx won't stop working.

Quicktime X, as you almost pointed out, is not quicktime, it is
AVFoundation. Quicktime will be gone in 10.15 and has been deprecated
since AVFoundation came out.

QuickTime does not support x265 video, nor does it support 4K, or if it
dies, it does it very poorly.

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#117275

In article <slrnpid5o4.h6r.g.kreme@jaka.lan>, Lewis
<g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> >> >> The "replacement" for QT7Pro, at least for me, is folder full of
> >> >> utiltiies which would include iMovie, Screenflow, Handbrake, mp4tools,
> >> >> mp4joiner and the like.
> >> > 
> >> > those are apps.
> >> > 
> >> > quicktime 7 is a part of the operating system, although not for long.
> >> > its replacement is quicktime x.
> >> > 
> >> > any app that uses qt7 will cease to function when qt7 goes away. some
> >> > might be updated. some (probably most) won't.
> >> 
> >> What app uses qt7, I wonder?
> 
> > quicktime is the underlying multimedia technology built into the os.
> 
> WAS
> 
> > quicktime player is one of many apps that uses quicktime.
> 
> WAS

still is.

it hasn't gone away, yet.

> > quicktime player 7 uses quicktime 7 and will stop working when qt7
> > does, which will be next year, along with other apps that use qt7.
> 
> > quicktime player uses quicktime x (avfoundation) and will continue to
> > work because qtx won't stop working.
> 
> Quicktime X, as you almost pointed out, is not quicktime, it is
> AVFoundation. Quicktime will be gone in 10.15 and has been deprecated
> since AVFoundation came out.

it's still called quicktime and the player app is called quicktime
player, even though it's using avfoundation under the hood.

<https://support.apple.com/quicktime>
<https://support.apple.com/en-us/ht201066>

> QuickTime does not support x265 video, nor does it support 4K, or if it
> dies, it does it very poorly.

quicktime player 7 has no issue playing 4k video, assuming the computer
can handle the data rate, which anything recent can.

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#117280

In message <170620181504077838%nospam@nospam.invalid> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <slrnpid5o4.h6r.g.kreme@jaka.lan>, Lewis
> <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

>> >> >> The "replacement" for QT7Pro, at least for me, is folder full of
>> >> >> utiltiies which would include iMovie, Screenflow, Handbrake, mp4tools,
>> >> >> mp4joiner and the like.
>> >> > 
>> >> > those are apps.
>> >> > 
>> >> > quicktime 7 is a part of the operating system, although not for long.
>> >> > its replacement is quicktime x.
>> >> > 
>> >> > any app that uses qt7 will cease to function when qt7 goes away. some
>> >> > might be updated. some (probably most) won't.
>> >> 
>> >> What app uses qt7, I wonder?
>> 
>> > quicktime is the underlying multimedia technology built into the os.
>> 
>> WAS
>> 
>> > quicktime player is one of many apps that uses quicktime.
>> 
>> WAS

> still is.

Not really. The underlying multimedia technology built in to the OS
is AV Foundation. QuickTime has been deprecated a long time, though it's
still worked and will continue to work until 10.14.

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#117281

In article <slrnpidnog.v91.g.kreme@jaka.lan>, Lewis
<g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> >> >> >> The "replacement" for QT7Pro, at least for me, is folder full of
> >> >> >> utiltiies which would include iMovie, Screenflow, Handbrake,
> >> >> >> mp4tools,
> >> >> >> mp4joiner and the like.
> >> >> > 
> >> >> > those are apps.
> >> >> > 
> >> >> > quicktime 7 is a part of the operating system, although not for long.
> >> >> > its replacement is quicktime x.
> >> >> > 
> >> >> > any app that uses qt7 will cease to function when qt7 goes away. some
> >> >> > might be updated. some (probably most) won't.
> >> >> 
> >> >> What app uses qt7, I wonder?
> >> 
> >> > quicktime is the underlying multimedia technology built into the os.
> >> 
> >> WAS
> >> 
> >> > quicktime player is one of many apps that uses quicktime.
> >> 
> >> WAS
> 
> > still is.
> 
> Not really. The underlying multimedia technology built in to the OS
> is AV Foundation. QuickTime has been deprecated a long time, though it's
> still worked and will continue to work until 10.14.

deprecated means it will go away eventually, which will be the version
of macos that follows mojave. 

for now, it's still there.

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#117284

In message <170620181836312478%nospam@nospam.invalid> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <slrnpidnog.v91.g.kreme@jaka.lan>, Lewis
> <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

>> >> >> >> The "replacement" for QT7Pro, at least for me, is folder full of
>> >> >> >> utiltiies which would include iMovie, Screenflow, Handbrake,
>> >> >> >> mp4tools,
>> >> >> >> mp4joiner and the like.
>> >> >> > 
>> >> >> > those are apps.
>> >> >> > 
>> >> >> > quicktime 7 is a part of the operating system, although not for long.
>> >> >> > its replacement is quicktime x.
>> >> >> > 
>> >> >> > any app that uses qt7 will cease to function when qt7 goes away. some
>> >> >> > might be updated. some (probably most) won't.
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> What app uses qt7, I wonder?
>> >> 
>> >> > quicktime is the underlying multimedia technology built into the os.
>> >> 
>> >> WAS
>> >> 
>> >> > quicktime player is one of many apps that uses quicktime.
>> >> 
>> >> WAS
>> 
>> > still is.
>> 
>> Not really. The underlying multimedia technology built in to the OS
>> is AV Foundation. QuickTime has been deprecated a long time, though it's
>> still worked and will continue to work until 10.14.

> deprecated means it will go away eventually, which will be the version
> of macos that follows mojave. 

It also means that it is recommended that it not be used for any new
programs and that any maintained programs be switched to the new APIs.
QuickTime has been deprecated so long that any program that is still
under any level of support should have updated.

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#117286

In article <slrnpie05r.169b.g.kreme@jaka.lan>, Lewis
<g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> >> >> >> >> The "replacement" for QT7Pro, at least for me, is folder full of
> >> >> >> >> utiltiies which would include iMovie, Screenflow, Handbrake,
> >> >> >> >> mp4tools, mp4joiner and the like.
> >> >> >> > 
> >> >> >> > those are apps.
> >> >> >> > 
> >> >> >> > quicktime 7 is a part of the operating system, although not for
> >> >> >> > long. its replacement is quicktime x.
> >> >> >> > 
> >> >> >> > any app that uses qt7 will cease to function when qt7 goes away.
> >> >> >> > some might be updated. some (probably most) won't.
> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> What app uses qt7, I wonder?
> >> >> 
> >> >> > quicktime is the underlying multimedia technology built into the os.
> >> >> 
> >> >> WAS
> >> >> 
> >> >> > quicktime player is one of many apps that uses quicktime.
> >> >> 
> >> >> WAS
> >> 
> >> > still is.
> >> 
> >> Not really. The underlying multimedia technology built in to the OS
> >> is AV Foundation. QuickTime has been deprecated a long time, though it's
> >> still worked and will continue to work until 10.14.
> 
> > deprecated means it will go away eventually, which will be the version
> > of macos that follows mojave. 
> 
> It also means that it is recommended that it not be used for any new
> programs and that any maintained programs be switched to the new APIs.
> QuickTime has been deprecated so long that any program that is still
> under any level of support should have updated.

that's true, but existing apps that use it will still work as long as
they don't upgrade past mojave, which is when it moves from deprecated
to no longer available.

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#117198

On 2018-06-10 00:57:20 +0000, gtr said:
> On 2018-06-09 21:23:26 +0000, nospam said:
>> In article <CpXSC.137722$RI2.67617@fx26.iad>, JF Mezei
>> <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Would it be fair to state that the replacement for Quicktime 7 Pro is
>>> iMovie ?
>> 
>> no
>> 
>> the replacement for quicktime 7 pro is quicktime x.
>> 
>> unfortunately, it's a downgrade.
> 
> But using a car with a tricycle isn't really a "replacement", per se.
> 
> The "replacement" for QT7Pro, at least for me, is folder full of 
> utiltiies which would include iMovie, Screenflow, Handbrake, mp4tools, 
> mp4joiner and the like.

Quicktime Player 7 Pro was never meant to actually be an proper movie 
editor though. It was meant to play movies, hence the name containing 
*Player*. iMovie was Apple's proper 'cheap' editing app.

To use your analogy, Quicktime Player is the tricycle and iMovie is a 
Korean car ... which I guess makes Quicktime Player X a pair of shoes 
and Adobe Premiere a Ferrari.   ;-)

There's a similar issue with newer versions of Preview (and soon 
QuickLook) gaining editing abilities, but is not really designed to be 
an proper editor.

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#117194

On 2018-06-09 21:13:06 +0000, JF Mezei said:
> On 2018-06-09 09:55, Alan Browne wrote:
>> 
>> Too bad.  It's quite versatile for the modest $ I paid many years ago.
> 
> Would it be fair to state that the replacement for Quicktime 7 Pro is
> iMovie ?

iMovie is a big step up from trying to edit movies in Quicktime Player 
7 Pro. It could be a replacement from a user's point of view, but isn't 
as easy to use (but still easier than the likes of Adobe Premiere or 
Final Cut Pro).

iMovie (released 1999) predates Quicktime Player 7 (released 2005), so 
isn't a replacement in a software sense.

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#116901

In comp.sys.mac.apps nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <Q_CdnZqmjKY3iI_GnZ2dnUU7-T2dnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Ant
> <ANTant@zimage.com> wrote:

> > Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos 
> > app like with photos? I see options to do that, but they are not clickable.
> > It 
> > has to be done outside of it like with QuickTime from what I read on the 
> > Internet. The videos were imported from an iPhone 6+.

> the internet is wrong. it can easily be done in quicktime player 7.

> <http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_uHQksWKTm2Q/S7EGcT2HElI/AAAAAAAABV8/M4IPIQrn4
> go/s1600/rotate+movie+pref.jpg>

Hmm, I will have to see if my client's Mac OS v10.12.6 has QT Player v7.


> however, you will need to 'upgrade' from quicktime x.

Is QT X free?
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#116902

In article <cqudnZWu94aspI_GnZ2dnUU7-TudnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Ant
<ANTant@zimage.com> wrote:

> Hmm, I will have to see if my client's Mac OS v10.12.6 has QT Player v7.

They don't unless they paid Apple a registration fee and downloaded it.
What do you think the odds are?

> Is QT X free?

It comes with OSX at no extra cost. Define free.

leo

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#116945

On 2018-06-02 07:02:11 +0000, Leonard Blaisdell said:
> In article <cqudnZWu94aspI_GnZ2dnUU7-TudnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Ant
> <ANTant@zimage.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hmm, I will have to see if my client's Mac OS v10.12.6 has QT Player v7.
> 
> They don't unless they paid Apple a registration fee and downloaded it.
> What do you think the odds are?
> 
>> Is QT X free?
> 
> It comes with OSX at no extra cost. Define free.

OS X is now free as well.

The only cost involved (other than time) is either buying the Mac in 
the first place or if you're upgrading to an older, paid-for version of 
OS X.

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#116962

On Saturday, June 2, 2018 at 4:50:07 PM UTC-7, Your Name wrote:
> On 2018-06-02 07:02:11 +0000, Leonard Blaisdell said:
> > In article <cqudnZWu94aspI_GnZ2dnUU7-TudnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Ant
> > <ANTant@zimage.com> wrote:
> >> 
> >> Hmm, I will have to see if my client's Mac OS v10.12.6 has QT Player v7.
> > 
> > They don't unless they paid Apple a registration fee and downloaded it.
> > What do you think the odds are?
> > 
> >> Is QT X free?
> > 
> > It comes with OSX at no extra cost. Define free.
> 
> OS X is now free as well.
> 
> The only cost involved (other than time) is either buying the Mac in 
> the first place or if you're upgrading to an older, paid-for version of 
> OS X.



His wish is to see Snit chased away by idiotic lying. And hey, that could kill this group. 

Off Peter Kohlmann goes to the housing in the overfull latrine of my KF. 

For most I would just suspect it is dubious. Of course, given that it's Peter Kohlmann I would skip that doubt and go straight to 'lie' because that's most of what he does. Innocent until proven guilty does not apply to Peter Kohlmann. 

Snit will not be seen once the waters are overfished. That and there will repeatedly be a butthurt insomniac or more in an unmoderated usenet group (hint: Peter Kohlmann). The specifics of the bullshit aside, we have all seen who uncontrollably gets enraged when he doesn't get a response. 

Linux offers the least of everything to the average user. It was Peter Kohlmann who got busted using untold numbers of accounts over and over, and these are 'people' who come literally out of the blue straight into threads where he was being proved wrong... over and over for over a decade. 



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#116906

In article <cqudnZWu94aspI_GnZ2dnUU7-TudnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Ant
<ANTant@zimage.com> wrote:

> 
> > <http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_uHQksWKTm2Q/S7EGcT2HElI/AAAAAAAABV8/M4IPIQrn4
> > go/s1600/rotate+movie+pref.jpg>
> 
> Hmm, I will have to see if my client's Mac OS v10.12.6 has QT Player v7.
> 
> 
> > however, you will need to 'upgrade' from quicktime x.
> 
> Is QT X free?

quicktime x is built into macos and is what replaced quicktime 7,
however, it has significantly fewer features, thus the 'upgrade' to the
older and more capable version.

you can still install quicktime 7 but i'm not sure if you can buy
quicktime pro anymore or if qt pro is required for the rotate.

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#116916

In comp.sys.mac.system Ant <ANTant@zimage.com> wrote:
> In comp.sys.mac.apps nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> > In article <Q_CdnZqmjKY3iI_GnZ2dnUU7-T2dnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Ant
> > <ANTant@zimage.com> wrote:

> > > Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos 
> > > app like with photos? I see options to do that, but they are not clickable.
> > > It 
> > > has to be done outside of it like with QuickTime from what I read on the 
> > > Internet. The videos were imported from an iPhone 6+.

> > the internet is wrong. it can easily be done in quicktime player 7.

> > <http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_uHQksWKTm2Q/S7EGcT2HElI/AAAAAAAABV8/M4IPIQrn4
> > go/s1600/rotate+movie+pref.jpg>

> Hmm, I will have to see if my client's Mac OS v10.12.6 has QT Player v7.


> > however, you will need to 'upgrade' from quicktime x.

> Is QT X free?

I just checked. It is v10.4 from last year. So, how do I launch this app 
directly from Photos app to easily edit/rotate and save back into it? I didn't 
see any QT options. Or does my "illiterate" client have to tedious of manual 
copying back and forth?

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#116918

In article <0MidnSdy7OUdVY_GnZ2dnUU7-SednZ2d@earthlink.com>, Ant
<ANTant@zimage.com> wrote:

> > Hmm, I will have to see if my client's Mac OS v10.12.6 has QT Player v7.
> 
> > > however, you will need to 'upgrade' from quicktime x.
> 
> > Is QT X free?
> 
> I just checked. It is v10.4 from last year. So, how do I launch this app 
> directly from Photos app to easily edit/rotate and save back into it? Ididn't 
> see any QT options. Or does my "illiterate" client have to tedious of manual 
> copying back and forth?

quicktime x won't work. you need to upgrade to quicktime 7.

<https://support.apple.com/kb/dl923?locale=en_US>

once that's done, do one of:

- launch quicktime player 7, choose open... and open the video like any
other file

- contextual click the video, choose open with..., then choose
quicktime 7 player from the flyout menu.

- put quicktime player 7 in the dock and then drag the video to the
dock icon.

then open movie properties (cmd-j), click on the video track, visual
settings tab and rotate as needed. 

you may need quicktime pro to rotate it.
you will need quicktime pro to save the rotated video.

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#116943

In comp.sys.mac.apps nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <0MidnSdy7OUdVY_GnZ2dnUU7-SednZ2d@earthlink.com>, Ant
> <ANTant@zimage.com> wrote:

> > > Hmm, I will have to see if my client's Mac OS v10.12.6 has QT Player v7.
> > 
> > > > however, you will need to 'upgrade' from quicktime x.
> > 
> > > Is QT X free?
> > 
> > I just checked. It is v10.4 from last year. So, how do I launch this app 
> > directly from Photos app to easily edit/rotate and save back into it? Ididn't 
> > see any QT options. Or does my "illiterate" client have to tedious of manual 
> > copying back and forth?

> quicktime x won't work. you need to upgrade to quicktime 7.

> <https://support.apple.com/kb/dl923?locale=en_US>

> once that's done, do one of:

> - launch quicktime player 7, choose open... and open the video like any
> other file

> - contextual click the video, choose open with..., then choose
> quicktime 7 player from the flyout menu.

> - put quicktime player 7 in the dock and then drag the video to the
> dock icon.

> then open movie properties (cmd-j), click on the video track, visual
> settings tab and rotate as needed. 

> you may need quicktime pro to rotate it.
> you will need quicktime pro to save the rotated video.

So 7 Pro is not free. What's a good free alternative just to do a basic 
orientation rotation?

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#116956

On 02-Jun-2018, Ant wrote
(in article<WvednZ3HfK0Yto7GnZ2dnUU7-d2dnZ2d@earthlink.com>):

> In comp.sys.mac.apps nospam<nospam@nospam.invalid>  wrote:
> > In article<0MidnSdy7OUdVY_GnZ2dnUU7-SednZ2d@earthlink.com>, Ant
> > <ANTant@zimage.com>  wrote:
>
> > > > Hmm, I will have to see if my client's Mac OS v10.12.6 has QT Player v7.
> > >
> > > > > however, you will need to 'upgrade' from quicktime x.
> > >
> > > > Is QT X free?
> > >
> > > I just checked. It is v10.4 from last year. So, how do I launch this app
> > > directly from Photos app to easily edit/rotate and save back into it?
> > > Ididn't
> > > see any QT options. Or does my "illiterate" client have to tedious of
> > > manual
> > > copying back and forth?
>
> > quicktime x won't work. you need to upgrade to quicktime 7.
>
> > <https://support.apple.com/kb/dl923?locale=en_US>
>
> > once that's done, do one of:
>
> > - launch quicktime player 7, choose open... and open the video like any
> > other file
>
> > - contextual click the video, choose open with..., then choose
> > quicktime 7 player from the flyout menu.
>
> > - put quicktime player 7 in the dock and then drag the video to the
> > dock icon.
>
> > then open movie properties (cmd-j), click on the video track, visual
> > settings tab and rotate as needed.
>
> > you may need quicktime pro to rotate it.
> > you will need quicktime pro to save the rotated video.
>
> So 7 Pro is not free. What's a good free alternative just to do a basic
> orientation rotation?

Nothing free, AFAIK. There were video conversion and editing programs, but 
they cost money. If VLC won't do the rotation, you'll have to live with it as 
is.

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#116972

On 2018-06-03 09:11:54 +0000, Percival John Hackworth said:

> On 02-Jun-2018, Ant wrote
> (in article<WvednZ3HfK0Yto7GnZ2dnUU7-d2dnZ2d@earthlink.com>):
> 
>> In comp.sys.mac.apps nospam<nospam@nospam.invalid>  wrote:
>>> In article<0MidnSdy7OUdVY_GnZ2dnUU7-SednZ2d@earthlink.com>, Ant
>>> <ANTant@zimage.com>  wrote:
>> 
>>>>> Hmm, I will have to see if my client's Mac OS v10.12.6 has QT Player v7.
>>>> 
>>>>>> however, you will need to 'upgrade' from quicktime x.
>>>> 
>>>>> Is QT X free?
>>>> 
>>>> I just checked. It is v10.4 from last year. So, how do I launch this app
>>>> directly from Photos app to easily edit/rotate and save back into it?
>>>> Ididn't
>>>> see any QT options. Or does my "illiterate" client have to tedious of
>>>> manual
>>>> copying back and forth?
>> 
>>> quicktime x won't work. you need to upgrade to quicktime 7.
>> 
>>> <https://support.apple.com/kb/dl923?locale=en_US>
>> 
>>> once that's done, do one of:
>> 
>>> - launch quicktime player 7, choose open... and open the video like any
>>> other file
>> 
>>> - contextual click the video, choose open with..., then choose
>>> quicktime 7 player from the flyout menu.
>> 
>>> - put quicktime player 7 in the dock and then drag the video to the
>>> dock icon.
>> 
>>> then open movie properties (cmd-j), click on the video track, visual
>>> settings tab and rotate as needed.
>> 
>>> you may need quicktime pro to rotate it.
>>> you will need quicktime pro to save the rotated video.
>> 
>> So 7 Pro is not free. What's a good free alternative just to do a basic
>> orientation rotation?
> 
> Nothing free, AFAIK. There were video conversion and editing programs, but
> they cost money. If VLC won't do the rotation, you'll have to live with it as
> is.

Isn't handbrake free?

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