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  Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-06-09 16:20 +0000
    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal android <here@there.was> - 2014-06-09 18:36 +0200
    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-06-09 10:06 -0700
      Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal android <here@there.was> - 2014-06-09 19:44 +0200
        Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-06-09 12:32 -0700
          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal android <here@there.was> - 2014-06-09 21:46 +0200
      Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-09 17:55 +0000
    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-09 18:18 +0000
      Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-06-10 08:18 +0000
    Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-10 16:40 +0000
      Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-06-10 17:55 +0000
        Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-11 16:00 +0000
          Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-06-12 05:45 +0000
            Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Darrin "Doc" O'Leary  <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> - 2014-06-12 16:12 +0000
              Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2014-06-13 13:27 +0000

#60600 — Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal

In article <lmi170$v2m$1@dont-email.me>, Darrin Doc O'Leary <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> wrote:

> I’ve mentioned here before that I’ve been working on a newsreader due to the
> death of MT-NewsWatcher on Mavericks.  It was suggested that I look into
> doing a crowdfunding effort to move things forward, so I took that advice.
> Today I went live with a campaign on Indiegogo, and you can get to it via:
>
> http://signal.subsume.com/
>
> I've done my best to make it the most attractive way to turn it into a non-
> commercial project.  Take a look and tell your friends if you like what you
> see.  I'll be happy to discuss Signal further here (of course! :-) or on
> Indiegogo.
>
> Now let's see if this cross-posting works . . .

I'm one of those that miss MT-NW dearly, so it's a welcome effort. But one 
of the weak points of MT-NW was its UI, unfortunately.

Here's a blog I wrote about how to "fix" the UI of Unison, which has really 
nice, but underused UI:

<http://mac.sandman.net/pages/thoughts/2013-10-23/Switching_To_Unison>

So that's basically some of the features and UI things I would like to see 
in a news client. Maybe it can help as some form of feedback. I would 
certainly expect Signal to "inherit" the strong filtering functions from 
MT-NW with regexp's and filtering on any header.


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#60605

In article <slrnlpbnub.i6q.mr@irc.sandman.net>,
 Sandman <mr@sandman.net> wrote:

> I would 
> certainly expect Signal to "inherit" the strong filtering functions from 
> MT-NW with regexp's and filtering on any header.

I think that Gravity had the best filters back in the day, but its 
database was soo prone to corupt itself...
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#60613

On 2014-06-09 16:20:10 +0000, Sandman <mr@sandman.net> said:

> 
> In article <lmi170$v2m$1@dont-email.me>, Darrin Doc O'Leary 
> <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> wrote:
> 
>> I’ve mentioned here before that I’ve been working on a newsreader due to the
>> death of MT-NewsWatcher on Mavericks.  It was suggested that I look into
>> doing a crowdfunding effort to move things forward, so I took that advice.
>> Today I went live with a campaign on Indiegogo, and you can get to it via:
>> 
>> http://signal.subsume.com/
>> 
>> I've done my best to make it the most attractive way to turn it into a non-
>> commercial project.  Take a look and tell your friends if you like what you
>> see.  I'll be happy to discuss Signal further here (of course! :-) or on
>> Indiegogo.
>> 
>> Now let's see if this cross-posting works . . .
> 
> I'm one of those that miss MT-NW dearly, so it's a welcome effort. But one
> of the weak points of MT-NW was its UI, unfortunately.
> 
> Here's a blog I wrote about how to "fix" the UI of Unison, which has really
> nice, but underused UI:
> 
> <http://mac.sandman.net/pages/thoughts/2013-10-23/Switching_To_Unison>
> 
> So that's basically some of the features and UI things I would like to see
> in a news client. Maybe it can help as some form of feedback. I would
> certainly expect Signal to "inherit" the strong filtering functions from
> MT-NW with regexp's and filtering on any header.

Your UI issue with Unison 2 is well founded and one of the reasons I 
prefer Unison 1.8.1. is the ability to have separate windows for each 
NG I am working with, and not having to deal with the cluttered 
horizontal threading. I find Unison 2 very restrictive when compared 
with the earlier version. I have both on this Mac running OSX 10.9.3.

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Savageduck

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#60620

On 2014-06-09 19:06:03 +0200, Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> said:

> On 2014-06-09 16:20:10 +0000, Sandman <mr@sandman.net> said:
> 
>> 
>> In article <lmi170$v2m$1@dont-email.me>, Darrin Doc O'Leary 
>> <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I’ve mentioned here before that I’ve been working on a newsreader due to the
>>> death of MT-NewsWatcher on Mavericks.  It was suggested that I look into
>>> doing a crowdfunding effort to move things forward, so I took that advice.
>>> Today I went live with a campaign on Indiegogo, and you can get to it via:
>>> 
>>> http://signal.subsume.com/
>>> 
>>> I've done my best to make it the most attractive way to turn it into a non-
>>> commercial project.  Take a look and tell your friends if you like what you
>>> see.  I'll be happy to discuss Signal further here (of course! :-) or on
>>> Indiegogo.
>>> 
>>> Now let's see if this cross-posting works . . .
>> 
>> I'm one of those that miss MT-NW dearly, so it's a welcome effort. But one
>> of the weak points of MT-NW was its UI, unfortunately.
>> 
>> Here's a blog I wrote about how to "fix" the UI of Unison, which has really
>> nice, but underused UI:
>> 
>> <http://mac.sandman.net/pages/thoughts/2013-10-23/Switching_To_Unison>
>> 
>> So that's basically some of the features and UI things I would like to see
>> in a news client. Maybe it can help as some form of feedback. I would
>> certainly expect Signal to "inherit" the strong filtering functions from
>> MT-NW with regexp's and filtering on any header.
> 
> Your UI issue with Unison 2 is well founded and one of the reasons I 
> prefer Unison 1.8.1. is the ability to have separate windows for each 
> NG I am working with, and not having to deal with the cluttered 
> horizontal threading. I find Unison 2 very restrictive when compared 
> with the earlier version. I have both on this Mac running OSX 10.9.3.

1.8.1 is not  free it's evaluationvare and have restrictions if used 
beond the trial. Testing this as I type...  I have on the mashine since 
earlier but then I chosed to use MT and Thunderbird in combo....
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#60635

On 2014-06-09 17:44:17 +0000, android <here@there.was> said:

> On 2014-06-09 19:06:03 +0200, Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> said:
> 
>> On 2014-06-09 16:20:10 +0000, Sandman <mr@sandman.net> said:
>> 
>>> 
>>> In article <lmi170$v2m$1@dont-email.me>, Darrin Doc O'Leary 
>>> <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I’ve mentioned here before that I’ve been working on a newsreader due to the
>>>> death of MT-NewsWatcher on Mavericks.  It was suggested that I look into
>>>> doing a crowdfunding effort to move things forward, so I took that advice.
>>>> Today I went live with a campaign on Indiegogo, and you can get to it via:
>>>> 
>>>> http://signal.subsume.com/
>>>> 
>>>> I've done my best to make it the most attractive way to turn it into a non-
>>>> commercial project.  Take a look and tell your friends if you like what you
>>>> see.  I'll be happy to discuss Signal further here (of course! :-) or on
>>>> Indiegogo.
>>>> 
>>>> Now let's see if this cross-posting works . . .
>>> 
>>> I'm one of those that miss MT-NW dearly, so it's a welcome effort. But one
>>> of the weak points of MT-NW was its UI, unfortunately.
>>> 
>>> Here's a blog I wrote about how to "fix" the UI of Unison, which has really
>>> nice, but underused UI:
>>> 
>>> <http://mac.sandman.net/pages/thoughts/2013-10-23/Switching_To_Unison>
>>> 
>>> So that's basically some of the features and UI things I would like to see
>>> in a news client. Maybe it can help as some form of feedback. I would
>>> certainly expect Signal to "inherit" the strong filtering functions from
>>> MT-NW with regexp's and filtering on any header.
>> 
>> Your UI issue with Unison 2 is well founded and one of the reasons I 
>> prefer Unison 1.8.1. is the ability to have separate windows for each 
>> NG I am working with, and not having to deal with the cluttered 
>> horizontal threading. I find Unison 2 very restrictive when compared 
>> with the earlier version. I have both on this Mac running OSX 10.9.3.
> 
> 1.8.1 is not  free it's evaluationvare and have restrictions if used 
> beond the trial. Testing this as I type...  I have on the mashine since 
> earlier but then I chosed to use MT and Thunderbird in combo....

Then I guess I was mistaken, I paid for 1.0 and the 2.0 update when it 
was released, needless to say I was disappointed with 2.0, and I 
believed they were offering 1.8.1 free. I have never used any version 
of Unison as *evaluationware*.

-- 
Regards,

Savageduck

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#60636

In article <2014060912325780458-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>,
 Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:

> On 2014-06-09 17:44:17 +0000, android <here@there.was> said:
> 
> > On 2014-06-09 19:06:03 +0200, Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> 
> > said:
> > 
> >> On 2014-06-09 16:20:10 +0000, Sandman <mr@sandman.net> said:
> >> 
> >>> 
> >>> In article <lmi170$v2m$1@dont-email.me>, Darrin Doc O'Leary 
> >>> <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> wrote:
> >>> 
> >>>> I’ve mentioned here before that I’ve been working on a newsreader due to 
> >>>> the
> >>>> death of MT-NewsWatcher on Mavericks.  It was suggested that I look into
> >>>> doing a crowdfunding effort to move things forward, so I took that 
> >>>> advice.
> >>>> Today I went live with a campaign on Indiegogo, and you can get to it 
> >>>> via:
> >>>> 
> >>>> http://signal.subsume.com/
> >>>> 
> >>>> I've done my best to make it the most attractive way to turn it into a 
> >>>> non-
> >>>> commercial project.  Take a look and tell your friends if you like what 
> >>>> you
> >>>> see.  I'll be happy to discuss Signal further here (of course! :-) or on
> >>>> Indiegogo.
> >>>> 
> >>>> Now let's see if this cross-posting works . . .
> >>> 
> >>> I'm one of those that miss MT-NW dearly, so it's a welcome effort. But 
> >>> one
> >>> of the weak points of MT-NW was its UI, unfortunately.
> >>> 
> >>> Here's a blog I wrote about how to "fix" the UI of Unison, which has 
> >>> really
> >>> nice, but underused UI:
> >>> 
> >>> <http://mac.sandman.net/pages/thoughts/2013-10-23/Switching_To_Unison>
> >>> 
> >>> So that's basically some of the features and UI things I would like to 
> >>> see
> >>> in a news client. Maybe it can help as some form of feedback. I would
> >>> certainly expect Signal to "inherit" the strong filtering functions from
> >>> MT-NW with regexp's and filtering on any header.
> >> 
> >> Your UI issue with Unison 2 is well founded and one of the reasons I 
> >> prefer Unison 1.8.1. is the ability to have separate windows for each 
> >> NG I am working with, and not having to deal with the cluttered 
> >> horizontal threading. I find Unison 2 very restrictive when compared 
> >> with the earlier version. I have both on this Mac running OSX 10.9.3.
> > 
> > 1.8.1 is not  free it's evaluationvare and have restrictions if used 
> > beond the trial. Testing this as I type...  I have on the mashine since 
> > earlier but then I chosed to use MT and Thunderbird in combo....
> 
> Then I guess I was mistaken, I paid for 1.0 and the 2.0 update when it 
> was released, needless to say I was disappointed with 2.0, and I 
> believed they were offering 1.8.1 free. I have never used any version 
> of Unison as *evaluationware*.

I didn't mean that. What I mean't  was that if you download unison 1.8.1 
you get a evaluation copy. I understood that you had paid for a license.
That said I don't think that you becomes a criminal if you use the 
crippled version after the fully featured trial has expired.
I'm happy with  MT-NW for now though.
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#60622

Savageduck <savageduck1@{removespam}me.com> wrote:

> Your UI issue with Unison 2 is well founded and one of the reasons I 
> prefer Unison 1.8.1. is the ability to have separate windows for each 
> NG I am working with, and not having to deal with the cluttered 
> horizontal threading. I find Unison 2 very restrictive when compared 
> with the earlier version. I have both on this Mac running OSX 10.9.3.

One thing I really like about Panic is old versions
of their software are easily available -

http://download.panic.com

| The Panic File Museum.
| Welcome to everything we've ever made.

Billy Y..
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#60629

Sandman <mr@sandman.net> wrote:

> Here's a blog I wrote about how to "fix" the UI of Unison, which has really 
> nice, but underused UI:
> 
> <http://mac.sandman.net/pages/thoughts/2013-10-23/Switching_To_Unison>

Have you sent this to Panic?  And, what did they say...?

Billy Y..
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#60665

In article <ln4tpi$dkh$2@reader2.panix.com>, billy@MIX.COM <billy@MIX.COM> wrote:

> Sandman <mr@sandman.net> wrote:
>
>> Here's a blog I wrote about how to "fix" the UI of Unison, which has really
>> nice, but underused UI:
>>
>> <http://mac.sandman.net/pages/thoughts/2013-10-23/Switching_To_Unison>
>
> Have you sent this to Panic?  And, what did they say...?

https://twitter.com/SandmanNet/status/392966939582406656

:)

Unfortunatley, nothing new since then. Last update was december 2012. I'll 
bump them today :)

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#60676

For your reference, records indicate that 
Sandman <mr@sandman.net> wrote:

> So that's basically some of the features and UI things I would like to see 
> in a news client. Maybe it can help as some form of feedback. I would 
> certainly expect Signal to "inherit" the strong filtering functions from 
> MT-NW with regexp's and filtering on any header.

Filtering is going to be based on NSPredicate, which can get very advanced.
The “any header” bit can be tricky, based on how NNTP operates.  Anything
goes for overview headers (or if articles are pre-fetched), but I hadn’t 
planned on doing anything beyond that until the 2.0 version.

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#60692

In article <ln7cd4$2gl$5@dont-email.me>, Darrin Doc O'Leary <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> wrote:

>> So that's basically some of the features and UI things I would like to see
>> in a news client. Maybe it can help as some form of feedback. I would
>> certainly expect Signal to "inherit" the strong filtering functions from
>> MT-NW with regexp's and filtering on any header.
>
> Filtering is going to be based on NSPredicate, which can get very advanced.
> The “any header” bit can be tricky, based on how NNTP operates.  Anything
> goes for overview headers (or if articles are pre-fetched), but I hadn’t
> planned on doing anything beyond that until the 2.0 version.

What command are you using for fetching headers? I suppose it doesn't have 
to be every header, but any available header at least.


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#60773

For your reference, records indicate that 
Sandman <mr@sandman.net> wrote:

> 
> In article <ln7cd4$2gl$5@dont-email.me>, Darrin Doc O'Leary <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> wrote:
> 
> >> So that's basically some of the features and UI things I would like to see
> >> in a news client. Maybe it can help as some form of feedback. I would
> >> certainly expect Signal to "inherit" the strong filtering functions from
> >> MT-NW with regexp's and filtering on any header.
> >
> > Filtering is going to be based on NSPredicate, which can get very advanced.
> > The “any header” bit can be tricky, based on how NNTP operates.  Anything
> > goes for overview headers (or if articles are pre-fetched), but I hadn’t
> > planned on doing anything beyond that until the 2.0 version.
> 
> What command are you using for fetching headers? I suppose it doesn't have 
> to be every header, but any available header at least.

Don’t know how technical an answer you’re looking for; it’s XOVER (or OVER
for servers that advertise the capability).  What is in the overview
depends on the server.  Beyond that, and this is just the plan for later
versions, I can (usually) fetch individual headers for articles if the user
creates a filter for one that isn’t in the supplied overview.

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#60830

In article <ln9ufi$ukb$3@dont-email.me>, Darrin Doc O'Leary <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> wrote:

> For your reference, records indicate that
> Sandman <mr@sandman.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> In article <ln7cd4$2gl$5@dont-email.me>, Darrin Doc O'Leary <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> So that's basically some of the features and UI things I would like to see
>> >> in a news client. Maybe it can help as some form of feedback. I would
>> >> certainly expect Signal to "inherit" the strong filtering functions from
>> >> MT-NW with regexp's and filtering on any header.
>> >
>> > Filtering is going to be based on NSPredicate, which can get very advanced.
>> > The “any header” bit can be tricky, based on how NNTP operates.  Anything
>> > goes for overview headers (or if articles are pre-fetched), but I hadn’t
>> > planned on doing anything beyond that until the 2.0 version.
>>
>> What command are you using for fetching headers? I suppose it doesn't have
>> to be every header, but any available header at least.
>
> Don’t know how technical an answer you’re looking for; it’s XOVER (or OVER
> for servers that advertise the capability).  What is in the overview
> depends on the server.  Beyond that, and this is just the plan for later
> versions, I can (usually) fetch individual headers for articles if the user
> creates a filter for one that isn’t in the supplied overview.

That's how MT-NW does it, fetches XOVER and then all added headers needed 
for filtering.


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#60844

For your reference, records indicate that 
Sandman <mr@sandman.net> wrote:

> That's how MT-NW does it, fetches XOVER and then all added headers needed 
> for filtering.

Are you sure?  I seem to recall trying to add filters for the Path header to stop some particularly bad neighborhoods, and they were to no effect.  Could be the server not offering it, but I think I tried other non-overview headers to the same result.


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#60864

In article <lncjhe$cag$2@dont-email.me>, Darrin Doc O'Leary <droleary@2q2014.subsume.com> wrote:

> For your reference, records indicate that
> Sandman <mr@sandman.net> wrote:
>
>> That's how MT-NW does it, fetches XOVER and then all added headers needed
>> for filtering.
>
> Are you sure?

Yep



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