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| Started by | Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> |
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| First post | 2014-05-16 19:51 -0700 |
| Last post | 2014-05-18 20:13 +0000 |
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Users folder being hidden with iTunes 11.2 installed and Find My Mac enabled? Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2014-05-16 19:51 -0700
Re: Users folder being hidden with iTunes 11.2 installed and Find My Mac enabled? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-05-17 03:02 +0000
Re: Users folder being hidden with iTunes 11.2 installed and Find My Mac enabled? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-05-17 16:33 +1200
Re: Users folder being hidden with iTunes 11.2 installed and Find My Mac enabled? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-05-17 16:43 +1200
Re: Users folder being hidden with iTunes 11.2 installed and Find My Mac enabled? Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2014-05-16 22:45 -0700
Re: Users folder being hidden with iTunes 11.2 installed and Find My Mac enabled? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-05-17 08:20 -0400
Re: Users folder being hidden with iTunes 11.2 installed and Find My Mac enabled? billy@MIX.COM - 2014-05-18 20:11 +0000
Re: Users folder being hidden with iTunes 11.2 installed and Find My Mac enabled? J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-05-18 17:37 -0400
Re: Users folder being hidden with iTunes 11.2 installed and Find My Mac enabled? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-05-17 01:40 -0400
Re: Users folder being hidden with iTunes 11.2 installed and Find My Mac enabled? Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-05-16 23:03 -0700
Re: Users folder being hidden with iTunes 11.2 installed and Find My Mac enabled? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-05-17 18:47 +1200
Re: Users folder being hidden with iTunes 11.2 installed and Find My Mac enabled? "Puffin Killer" <puffythekiller@telus.net> - 2014-05-19 16:59 -0400
Re: Users folder being hidden with iTunes 11.2 installed and Find My Mac enabled? Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-05-19 19:09 -0700
Re: Users folder being hidden with iTunes 11.2 installed and Find My Mac enabled? Andreas Rutishauser <andreas@macandreas.ch> - 2014-05-17 07:07 +0100
Re: Users folder being hidden with iTunes 11.2 installed and Find My Mac enabled? Tom Stiller <clusterfux.upmon@gmail.com> - 2014-05-17 15:48 +0000
Re: Users folder being hidden with iTunes 11.2 installed and Find My Mac enabled? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-05-17 16:02 +0000
Re: Users folder being hidden with iTunes 11.2 installed and Find My Mac enabled? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-05-17 16:31 -0400
Re: Users folder being hidden with iTunes 11.2 installed and Find My Mac enabled? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-05-18 11:56 +1200
Re: Users folder being hidden with iTunes 11.2 installed and Find My Mac enabled? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-05-18 01:17 +0000
Re: Users folder being hidden with iTunes 11.2 installed and Find My Mac enabled? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-05-18 04:15 -0400
Re: Users folder being hidden with iTunes 11.2 installed and Find My Mac enabled? billy@MIX.COM - 2014-05-18 20:13 +0000
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| From | Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> |
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| Date | 2014-05-16 19:51 -0700 |
| Subject | Users folder being hidden with iTunes 11.2 installed and Find My Mac enabled? |
| Message-ID | <2OednfTLYK4pU-vOnZ2dnUVZ_qudnZ2d@earthlink.com> |
http://www.osnews.com/story/27734/iTunes_11_2_update_hides_Users_folder_on_OS_X
from http://www.osnews.com/comments/27734
Is anyone else seeing this? I am scared to upgrade iTunes in Mac OS X
10.8.5. :/
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2014-05-17 03:02 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <bto1q8Fr6npU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #59403 |
On 2014-05-17, Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote: > http://www.osnews.com/story/27734/iTunes_11_2_update_hides_Users_folder_on_OS_X > from http://www.osnews.com/comments/27734 > > Is anyone else seeing this? I am scared to upgrade iTunes in Mac OS X > 10.8.5. :/ Why? It's hidden - not deleted. It's still there, at /Users. It's not like it prevents you from doing anything. And you can easily unhide just as you would any other folder, for instance with this command: sudo chflags nohidden /Users And Apple will likely fix the issue in a future update. You literally have nothing to fear but fear itself. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) |
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| Date | 2014-05-17 16:33 +1200 |
| Message-ID | <1llst1j.14bn89hoiah2aN%dempson@actrix.gen.nz> |
| In reply to | #59403 |
Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote: > >http://www.osnews.com/story/27734/iTunes_11_2_update_hides_Users_folder >_on_OS_X > > from http://www.osnews.com/comments/27734 > > Is anyone else seeing this? I am scared to upgrade iTunes in Mac OS X > 10.8.5. :/ There is no reason to be "scared". If you have a specific need to access /Users/Shared, or the home or public folder of other user accounts, then even if /Users is hidden, it is easily worked around, e.g. by creating a symbolic link to the folder, or navigating up to /Users from your home folder, or by using Go to Folder in Finder, or by adding the folder in question to your Finder sidebar. I tested upgrading to iTunes 11.2 on a Mac running 10.8.5 with Find my Mac enabled and the /Users folder was NOT hidden. I restarted to double-check and it was still OK. Unless there is yet another factor involved, it appears that the hiding of the Users folder is a bug which only affects Mavericks. I've seen reports so far of people encountering it when running OS X 10.9.2 and 10.9.3. The solution is easy enough: disable Find my Mac until Apple releases a fix for this bug. If your /Users and /Users/Shared folders have already been hidden by this bug, then you can make them visible again by: 1. In System Preferences > iCloud, disable "Find my Mac". (This bug has nothing to do with "Back to my Mac".) 2. Try using Disk Utility to do a Repair Disk Permissions on your startup volume. 3. If that doesn't work, then the following commands in Terminal will restore the normal visibility and permissions. sudo chflags nohidden /Users /Users/Shared sudo chmod 755 /Users sudo chmod 1777 /Users/Shared (Step 1 is necessary. If you have iTunes 11.2 installed and Find my Mac enabled on Mavericks, then these folders will be hidden and their permissions modified again each time you restart the computer.) -- David Empson dempson@actrix.gen.nz
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| From | dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) |
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| Date | 2014-05-17 16:43 +1200 |
| Message-ID | <1llsuf8.vmb18q1hav1n5N%dempson@actrix.gen.nz> |
| In reply to | #59407 |
David Empson <dempson@actrix.gen.nz> wrote: > Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote: > > > > >http://www.osnews.com/story/27734/iTunes_11_2_update_hides_Users_folder > >_on_OS_X > > > > from http://www.osnews.com/comments/27734 > > > > Is anyone else seeing this? I am scared to upgrade iTunes in Mac OS X > > 10.8.5. :/ > > There is no reason to be "scared". > > If you have a specific need to access /Users/Shared, or the home or > public folder of other user accounts, then even if /Users is hidden, it > is easily worked around, e.g. by creating a symbolic link to the folder, > or navigating up to /Users from your home folder, or by using Go to > Folder in Finder, or by adding the folder in question to your Finder > sidebar. > > I tested upgrading to iTunes 11.2 on a Mac running 10.8.5 with Find my > Mac enabled and the /Users folder was NOT hidden. I restarted to > double-check and it was still OK. Update: Apple has just released iTunes 11.2.1, which apparently fixes this bug, so no need to be scared at all. -- David Empson dempson@actrix.gen.nz
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| From | Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> |
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| Date | 2014-05-16 22:45 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <teidnS7XteEZauvOnZ2dnUVZ_qadnZ2d@earthlink.com> |
| In reply to | #59408 |
On 5/16/2014 9:43 PM PT, David Empson typed:
> Update: Apple has just released iTunes 11.2.1, which apparently fixes
> this bug, so no need to be scared at all.
I just got an e-mail notification from Apple's security mailing list.
http://support.apple.com/kb/TS5434 ... Nice.
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| From | Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> |
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| Date | 2014-05-17 08:20 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <84ednQo75oa5yerOnZ2dnUVZ_qadnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #59411 |
On 2014.05.17, 01:45 , Ant wrote:
> On 5/16/2014 9:43 PM PT, David Empson typed:
>> Update: Apple has just released iTunes 11.2.1, which apparently fixes
>> this bug, so no need to be scared at all.
>
> I just got an e-mail notification from Apple's security mailing list.
> http://support.apple.com/kb/TS5434 ... Nice.
Why do sentences like
"... might appear to be missing after ..."
seem so inane to me?
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| From | billy@MIX.COM |
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| Date | 2014-05-18 20:11 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <llb46e$hd$1@reader2.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #59416 |
Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> writes:
> > http://support.apple.com/kb/TS5434
>
> Why do sentences like
>
> "... might appear to be missing after ..."
>
> seem so inane to me?
Because they are. Better to say what the problem
actually is. Apple have been improving with this
but they are obviously not yet finished.
Billy Y..
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| From | J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> |
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| Date | 2014-05-18 17:37 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <llb97j$84n$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #59488 |
On 5/18/14, 4:11 PM, billy@MIX.COM wrote: > Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> writes: > >>> http://support.apple.com/kb/TS5434 >> >> Why do sentences like >> >> "... might appear to be missing after ..." >> >> seem so inane to me? > > Because they are. Better to say what the problem > actually is. Apple have been improving with this > but they are obviously not yet finished. > > Billy Y.. > I'll have to side with Apple on this one. They aren't missing but might appear to be missing.
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| From | JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> |
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| Date | 2014-05-17 01:40 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <5376f652$0$10573$c3e8da3$33881b6a@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #59407 |
On 14-05-17 00:33, David Empson wrote: > If you have a specific need to access /Users/Shared, or the home or > public folder of other user accounts, then even if /Users is hidden, it > is easily worked around, e.g. by creating a symbolic link to the folder, hiding a folder is security by obscurity and adds no security. The question is: what the h_ll is an application meddling with root level directories ? Upgrading itunes should only mess with what is inside /Applications/iTunes and in /Library for whatever frameworks it provides.
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| From | Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> |
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| Date | 2014-05-16 23:03 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <ll6u3m$qb4$1@news.datemas.de> |
| In reply to | #59410 |
On 2014-05-17 05:40:33 +0000, JF Mezei said: > On 14-05-17 00:33, David Empson wrote: > >> If you have a specific need to access /Users/Shared, or the home or >> public folder of other user accounts, then even if /Users is hidden, it >> is easily worked around, e.g. by creating a symbolic link to the folder, > > hiding a folder is security by obscurity and adds no security. > > The question is: what the h_ll is an application meddling with root > level directories ? Upgrading itunes should only mess with what is > inside /Applications/iTunes and in /Library for whatever frameworks it > provides. Someone made a mistake. Mistakes happen. My best guess about the nature of the mistake would be a space in a unix command that was intended to hide some other folder, so that "chflags hidden /Users/<something>/<something>" became "chflags hidden /Users /<something>/<something>"
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| From | dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) |
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| Date | 2014-05-17 18:47 +1200 |
| Message-ID | <1llszdp.eiv59ufhwk02N%dempson@actrix.gen.nz> |
| In reply to | #59412 |
Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote: > On 2014-05-17 05:40:33 +0000, JF Mezei said: > > > On 14-05-17 00:33, David Empson wrote: > > > >> If you have a specific need to access /Users/Shared, or the home or > >> public folder of other user accounts, then even if /Users is hidden, it > >> is easily worked around, e.g. by creating a symbolic link to the folder, > > > > hiding a folder is security by obscurity and adds no security. > > > > The question is: what the h_ll is an application meddling with root > > level directories ? Upgrading itunes should only mess with what is > > inside /Applications/iTunes and in /Library for whatever frameworks it > > provides. The iTunes installer puts things in /Library, /System, /Applications and also does some stuff in /Users/Shared. > Someone made a mistake. Mistakes happen. > > My best guess about the nature of the mistake would be a space in a > unix command that was intended to hide some other folder, so that > "chflags hidden /Users/<something>/<something>" became "chflags hidden > /Users /<something>/<something>" That was my theory as well. I had a look inside the installer packages for iTunes 11.2 and 11.2.1. The 11.2.1 postinstall script fixes the permissions and hidden folders errors, but I didn't spot what was triggering the problem in 11.2, especially how it was interacting with Find my Mac or recurring on each restart (which suggests it was being done by something installed which runs at system startup or login). The only difference I spotted in the installed files (apart from version numbers) was a change in size of /System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/CoreADI.framework -- David Empson dempson@actrix.gen.nz
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| From | "Puffin Killer" <puffythekiller@telus.net> |
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| Date | 2014-05-19 16:59 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <lldrbe$d76$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #59412 |
"Alan Baker" wrote in message news:ll6u3m$qb4$1@news.datemas.de... On 2014-05-17 05:40:33 +0000, JF Mezei said: > On 14-05-17 00:33, David Empson wrote: > >> If you have a specific need to access /Users/Shared, or the home or >> public folder of other user accounts, then even if /Users is >> hidden, it >> is easily worked around, e.g. by creating a symbolic link to the >> folder, > > hiding a folder is security by obscurity and adds no security. > > The question is: what the h_ll is an application meddling with root > level directories ? Upgrading itunes should only mess with what is > inside /Applications/iTunes and in /Library for whatever frameworks > it > provides. >Someone made a mistake. Mistakes happen. Yeah, and you were your parents biggest mistake.
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| From | Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> |
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| Date | 2014-05-19 19:09 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <lledft$okm$2@news.datemas.de> |
| In reply to | #59519 |
On 2014-05-19 20:59:37 +0000, Puffin Killer said: > "Alan Baker" wrote in message news:ll6u3m$qb4$1@news.datemas.de... > > On 2014-05-17 05:40:33 +0000, JF Mezei said: > >> On 14-05-17 00:33, David Empson wrote: >> >>> If you have a specific need to access /Users/Shared, or the home or >>> public folder of other user accounts, then even if /Users is hidden, it >>> is easily worked around, e.g. by creating a symbolic link to the folder, >> >> hiding a folder is security by obscurity and adds no security. >> >> The question is: what the h_ll is an application meddling with root >> level directories ? Upgrading itunes should only mess with what is >> inside /Applications/iTunes and in /Library for whatever frameworks it >> provides. > >> Someone made a mistake. Mistakes happen. > > Yeah, and you were your parents biggest mistake. LOL
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| From | Andreas Rutishauser <andreas@macandreas.ch> |
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| Date | 2014-05-17 07:07 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <andreas-D2BB38.07073717052014@news.individual.de> |
| In reply to | #59403 |
In article <2OednfTLYK4pU-vOnZ2dnUVZ_qudnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote: > http://www.osnews.com/story/27734/iTunes_11_2_update_hides_Users_folder_on_OS_ > X > from http://www.osnews.com/comments/27734 > > Is anyone else seeing this? I am scared to upgrade iTunes in Mac OS X > 10.8.5. :/ install iTunes 11.2.1 then that was released as a fix for the issue on May 16th Cheers Andreas -- MacAndreas Rutishauser, <http://www.MacAndreas.ch> EDV-Dienstleistungen, Hard- und Software, Internet und Netzwerk Beratung, Unterstuetzung und Schulung <mailto:andreas@MacAndreas.ch>, Fon: 044 / 721 36 47
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| From | Tom Stiller <clusterfux.upmon@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2014-05-17 15:48 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <btpemoF5j73U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #59403 |
On 2014-05-17, Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote: > http://www.osnews.com/story/27734/iTunes_11_2_update_hides_Users_folder_on_OS_X > from http://www.osnews.com/comments/27734 > > Is anyone else seeing this? I am scared to upgrade iTunes in Mac OS X > 10.8.5. :/ The problem was caused by the iTuees update and has been fixed in a supplemental update released on Friday.
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2014-05-17 16:02 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnlnf211.2omu.g.kreme@amelia.local> |
| In reply to | #59403 |
In message <2OednfTLYK4pU-vOnZ2dnUVZ_qudnZ2d@earthlink.com> Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote: > http://www.osnews.com/story/27734/iTunes_11_2_update_hides_Users_folder_on_OS_X > from http://www.osnews.com/comments/27734 > Is anyone else seeing this? I am scared to upgrade iTunes in Mac OS X > 10.8.5. :/ Why? A hidden /User folder will not affect you in the slightest. My /System /Library and /Users folders are all marked hidden, so when I look at the 'root' of my drive, all that is there is the /Applications folder. This has no effect on how I use the computer. -- I never read much; I have something else to do.
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| From | JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> |
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| Date | 2014-05-17 16:31 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <5377c710$0$1278$c3e8da3$b1356c67@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #59426 |
On 14-05-17 12:02, Lewis wrote: > > Why? A hidden /User folder will not affect you in the slightest. The part I am uncomfortable with is an application that messes with stuff outside of the application areas without telling you. BTW, iTunes still keeps installing an incompatible AppleUSBEthernet.kext for Snow Leopard. So with each itunes updates, one has to go out and mess with the system files to reinstall an older version that works.
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| From | dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) |
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| Date | 2014-05-18 11:56 +1200 |
| Message-ID | <1llub9l.ptqdvq1kifndjN%dempson@actrix.gen.nz> |
| In reply to | #59437 |
JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote: > On 14-05-17 12:02, Lewis wrote: > > > > Why? A hidden /User folder will not affect you in the slightest. > > The part I am uncomfortable with is an application that messes with > stuff outside of the application areas without telling you. iTunes is more than just an application. It has several system-level components to support iOS devices, non-iOS iPods, other applications integrating with iTunes, and interaction with the iTunes Store. > BTW, iTunes still keeps installing an incompatible AppleUSBEthernet.kext > for Snow Leopard. So with each itunes updates, one has to go out and > mess with the system files to reinstall an older version that works. Have you filed a bug report about it yet? I'm looking forward to the hue and cry that will happen in a few months when Apple releases iOS 8 along with a new version of iTunes which will be required to manage or sync with devices running iOS 8. Assuming the historic pattern holds (and I see no reason why it wouldn't), that version of iTunes won't support Snow Leopard at all. Those who are sticking with Snow Leopard indefinitely will need to stop buying new iOS devices, and for existing devices either lose the ability to sync them with the Mac, or not update them to iOS 8 or later (which will expose them to known security issues, since Apple won't release further iOS 7 updates for devices able to upgrade to iOS 8). -- David Empson dempson@actrix.gen.nz
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2014-05-18 01:17 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnlng2i1.eu4.g.kreme@amelia.local> |
| In reply to | #59437 |
In message <5377c710$0$1278$c3e8da3$b1356c67@news.astraweb.com> JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote: > On 14-05-17 12:02, Lewis wrote: >> >> Why? A hidden /User folder will not affect you in the slightest. > The part I am uncomfortable with is an application that messes with > stuff outside of the application areas without telling you. iTunes is no more an Application than Safari or QuickTime, they are required parts of the Operating system that install much more than just an .app bundle. -- 'It's always a good thing to let a few tales spread, you know. Pour encouragy le-poor encoura-to make everyone sit up and damn well take notice.' --Eric
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| From | JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> |
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| Date | 2014-05-18 04:15 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <53786c37$0$61476$c3e8da3$f017e9df@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #59455 |
On 14-05-17 21:17, Lewis wrote: > iTunes is no more an Application than Safari or QuickTime, they are > required parts of the Operating system that install much more than just > an .app bundle. Yet, it is "packaged" as an application (also avaialble on Windows) and they don't really document all the system level changes installing a minor new version of the itunes application does.
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