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| Started by | Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> |
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| First post | 2014-04-23 18:20 -0400 |
| Last post | 2014-04-28 16:40 -0400 |
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Mac sales in mild decline Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-04-23 18:20 -0400
Re: Mac sales in mild decline JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-04-23 18:33 -0400
Re: Mac sales in mild decline Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-04-23 19:27 -0400
Re: Mac sales in mild decline Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-04-24 01:01 +0000
Re: Mac sales in mild decline JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-04-23 21:57 -0400
Re: Mac sales in mild decline Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-04-24 16:30 +1200
Re: Mac sales in mild decline nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-23 23:05 -0400
Re: Mac sales in mild decline JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-04-24 00:05 -0400
Re: Mac sales in mild decline Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-04-25 15:54 -0400
Re: Mac sales in mild decline Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-04-27 21:27 +0000
Re: Mac sales in mild decline Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-04-27 19:20 -0400
Re: Mac sales in mild decline Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-04-28 05:41 +0000
Re: Mac sales in mild decline nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-23 23:05 -0400
Re: Mac sales in mild decline Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-04-26 12:39 -0400
Re: Mac sales in mild decline dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-04-27 11:15 +1200
Re: Mac sales in mild decline Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-04-27 19:21 -0400
Re: Mac sales in mild decline nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-26 19:20 -0400
Re: Mac sales in mild decline Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-04-26 20:35 -0400
Re: Mac sales in mild decline Martin Frost me at invalid stanford daht edu <nospam@stanford.edu.invalid> - 2014-04-27 02:28 -0700
Re: Mac sales in mild decline Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-04-27 10:54 -0400
Re: Mac sales in mild decline Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-04-28 09:03 +1200
Re: Mac sales in mild decline John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2014-04-28 11:29 +0100
Re: Mac sales in mild decline Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-04-29 09:14 +1200
Re: Mac sales in mild decline Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-04-24 16:10 +1200
Re: Mac sales in mild decline Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> - 2014-04-24 16:16 -0700
Re: Mac sales in mild decline Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-04-25 16:13 -0400
Re: Mac sales in mild decline Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-04-25 15:05 +1200
Re: Mac sales in mild decline JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-04-25 00:28 -0400
Re: Mac sales in mild decline Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-04-25 18:11 +1200
Re: Mac sales in mild decline Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-04-25 16:00 -0400
Re: Mac sales in mild decline Rob Noland <not@this.com> - 2014-04-25 20:16 -0400
Re: Mac sales in mild decline JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-04-25 20:54 -0400
Re: Mac sales in mild decline Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-04-26 09:59 -0400
Re: Mac sales in mild decline Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-04-23 16:33 -0700
Re: Mac sales in mild decline Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-04-23 20:00 -0400
Re: Mac sales in mild decline Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> - 2014-04-23 21:25 -0700
Re: Mac sales in mild decline Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-04-24 18:25 +1200
Re: Mac sales in mild decline Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-04-24 12:15 -0700
Re: Mac sales in mild decline JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-04-24 18:04 -0400
Re: Mac sales in mild decline Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-04-24 15:09 -0700
Re: Mac sales in mild decline JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-04-24 18:32 -0400
Re: Mac sales in mild decline Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-04-24 17:33 -0700
Re: Mac sales in mild decline Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-04-24 21:01 -0700
Re: Mac sales in mild decline Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> - 2014-04-24 21:31 -0700
Re: Mac sales in mild decline Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-04-24 21:48 -0700
Re: Mac sales in mild decline JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-04-25 04:42 -0400
Re: Mac sales in mild decline Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-04-26 10:23 +1200
Re: Mac sales in mild decline Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-04-27 21:35 +0000
Re: Mac sales in mild decline Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-04-25 16:07 -0400
Re: Mac sales in mild decline Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-04-24 00:59 +0000
Re: Mac sales in mild decline nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-23 23:05 -0400
Re: Mac sales in mild decline John Albert <j.albert@snet.net> - 2014-04-25 14:55 -0400
Re: Mac sales in mild decline Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-04-25 15:53 -0400
Re: Mac sales in mild decline JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-04-23 22:03 -0400
Re: Mac sales in mild decline billy@MIX.COM - 2014-04-24 02:13 +0000
Re: Mac sales in mild decline John Albert <j.albert@snet.net> - 2014-04-25 14:58 -0400
Re: Mac sales in mild decline Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-04-26 10:26 +1200
Re: Mac sales in mild decline John Albert <j.albert@snet.net> - 2014-04-26 13:56 -0400
Re: Mac sales in mild decline Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-04-27 10:13 +1200
Re: Mac sales in mild decline John Albert <j.albert@snet.net> - 2014-04-27 10:09 -0400
Re: Mac sales in mild decline nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-27 10:31 -0400
Re: Mac sales in mild decline Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-04-27 10:55 -0400
Re: Mac sales in mild decline Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-04-27 21:21 +0000
Re: Mac sales in mild decline Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-04-27 17:42 -0400
Re: Mac sales in mild decline Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-04-27 17:46 -0400
Re: Mac sales in mild decline Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-04-27 21:19 +0000
Re: Mac sales in mild decline Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-04-27 17:45 -0400
Re: Mac sales in mild decline Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-04-28 05:38 +0000
Re: Mac sales in mild decline dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-04-27 11:15 +1200
Re: Mac sales in mild decline nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-26 19:20 -0400
Re: Mac sales in mild decline George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-04-27 10:12 -0500
Re: Mac sales in mild decline Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-04-27 11:09 -0400
Re: Mac sales in mild decline nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-25 18:38 -0400
Re: Mac sales in mild decline George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-04-27 10:10 -0500
Re: Mac sales in mild decline Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-04-24 16:34 +1200
Re: Mac sales in mild decline JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-04-24 00:48 -0400
Re: Mac sales in mild decline Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-04-24 18:30 +1200
Re: Mac sales in mild decline Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-04-26 00:02 -0500
Re: Mac sales in mild decline Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-04-26 18:22 +1200
Re: Mac sales in mild decline Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-04-26 09:02 -0500
Re: Mac sales in mild decline Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-04-26 09:41 -0400
Re: Mac sales in mild decline Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-04-26 11:43 -0500
Re: Mac sales in mild decline Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-04-26 13:05 -0400
Re: Mac sales in mild decline Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-04-27 21:36 +0000
Re: Mac sales in mild decline Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-04-27 20:41 -0400
Re: Mac sales in mild decline Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-04-28 05:44 +0000
Re: Mac sales in mild decline Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-04-28 16:40 -0400
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| From | Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> |
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| Date | 2014-04-26 09:41 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <aoWdnRB8sf4FKsbOnZ2dnUVZ_oOdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #58906 |
On 2014.04.26, 01:02 , Tim McNamara wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Apr 2014 18:20:21 -0400, Alan Browne
> <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>>
>> With today's earnings report, the Mac line looks to be in a mild
>> decline that has gone on now for the past 2 years. While there are
>> quarterly peaks and valleys, looking at the data with a 4 quarter
>> average shows a continuous decline v. the 2010-2012 period.
>
> Along with desktops and laptops as a whole. I know people with a tablet
> or smartphone who have not replaced the laptop they no longer use in
> several years. The laptop market will continue to fade slowly, teh
> desktop market will continue to fade steeply and these two will become
> niches (probably already are). Smartphones and tablets will grow and
> level off, to be replaced when Google Glass type products take over the
> marketplace, to themselves be replaced when implantable computing takes
> over.
The decline in Mac sales as shown is very mild. It's still a $20B+/year
business for Apple (with nice margins). Nothing to sneeze as at all.
Lack of growth doesn't consign these categories to niche. They've
certainly plateau'd as mobile devices have risen. Offices, creatives -
anywhere where you need to sit at a desk to work will require such for
quite a while yet.
OTOH, many office workers will be getting thin client computers for the
basics of word processing, spreadsheets, data entry, and so on. Such
computers cost ~200. Just add keyboard, mouse and screen. (And
existing PC's can be re-purposed as thin clients as well).
As to wearables, there's a long way to go. I certainly don't want to
talk to a computer nor try to control one with eye gestures and blinks.
The idea of a smartwatch has some appeal if well integrated to my
phone or tablet.
--
"Big data can reduce anything to a single number,
but you shouldn’t be fooled by the appearance of exactitude."
-Gary Marcus and Ernest Davis, NYT, 2014.04.07
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| From | Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> |
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| Date | 2014-04-26 11:43 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <droleary-B4E5E6.11431326042014@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #58906 |
In article <slrnllmfej.1gn.timmcn@sugaree.local>,
Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> wrote:
> Along with desktops and laptops as a whole.
Yeah, any hits Apple appears to be taking at the moment are peanuts
compared to how bad the market is becoming for PCs in general.
> I know people with a tablet
> or smartphone who have not replaced the laptop they no longer use in
> several years. The laptop market will continue to fade slowly, teh
> desktop market will continue to fade steeply and these two will become
> niches (probably already are).
Depends how you define "niche". The popularity of laptops is/was an
interesting point in time, when you needed mobile computing in a
pre-mobile world. In the future, given the device landscape we see
today, it will probably be the case that desktops have more staying
power than laptops. People will still have computing needs that are
localized enough for the desktop to make more sense than using a mobile
device or cloud server. I wouldn't go so far as to call that a niche
simply because a much larger market exists for mobile devices.
> Smartphones and tablets will grow and
> level off, to be replaced when Google Glass type products take over the
> marketplace, to themselves be replaced when implantable computing takes
> over.
That's being too optimistic. It's all about what people can *do* with a
new technology. Glass doesn't appear to offer enough benefits compared
to its drawbacks. Implantable is Sci-Fi. Whatever Apple might be
working on for their next innovation will, like the iPhone, probably
have a lot more to do with the software services than the hardware
components.
--
iPhone apps that matter: http://appstore.subsume.com/
My personal UDP list: 127.0.0.1, localhost, googlegroups.com, teranews.com,
and probably your server, too.
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| From | Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> |
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| Date | 2014-04-26 13:05 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <bMCdnVMuyaDLesbOnZ2dnUVZ_sqdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #58917 |
On 2014.04.26, 12:43 , Doc O'Leary wrote:
> Depends how you define "niche". The popularity of laptops is/was an
> interesting point in time, when you needed mobile computing in a
> pre-mobile world. In the future, given the device landscape we see
> today, it will probably be the case that desktops have more staying
> power than laptops. People will still have computing needs that are
> localized enough for the desktop to make more sense than using a mobile
> device or cloud server.
Well put.
--
"Big data can reduce anything to a single number,
but you shouldn’t be fooled by the appearance of exactitude."
-Gary Marcus and Ernest Davis, NYT, 2014.04.07
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2014-04-27 21:36 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnllqu2p.2ii.g.kreme@amelia.local> |
| In reply to | #58906 |
In message <slrnllmfej.1gn.timmcn@sugaree.local> Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> wrote: > On Wed, 23 Apr 2014 18:20:21 -0400, Alan Browne > <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote: >> >> With today's earnings report, the Mac line looks to be in a mild >> decline that has gone on now for the past 2 years. While there are >> quarterly peaks and valleys, looking at the data with a 4 quarter >> average shows a continuous decline v. the 2010-2012 period. > Along with desktops and laptops as a whole. I know people with a tablet > or smartphone who have not replaced the laptop they no longer use in > several years. The plural of anecdote is not data. -- I'm just going to go home, lie down, and listen to country music. The music of pain.
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| From | Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> |
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| Date | 2014-04-27 20:41 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <fNWdnfM2IKk4PsDOnZ2dnUVZ_r-dnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #58960 |
On 2014.04.27, 17:36 , Lewis wrote:
> In message <slrnllmfej.1gn.timmcn@sugaree.local>
> Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> wrote:
>> On Wed, 23 Apr 2014 18:20:21 -0400, Alan Browne
>> <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>> With today's earnings report, the Mac line looks to be in a mild
>>> decline that has gone on now for the past 2 years. While there are
>>> quarterly peaks and valleys, looking at the data with a 4 quarter
>>> average shows a continuous decline v. the 2010-2012 period.
>
>> Along with desktops and laptops as a whole. I know people with a tablet
>> or smartphone who have not replaced the laptop they no longer use in
>> several years.
>
> The plural of anecdote is not data.
Funny how you use your own anecdotes as "evidence" but reject that of
others:
On 2014.04.23, 21:01 , Lewis wrote:
> For the record, I have several computers that are 5 years old and are
> still perfectly usable and useful machines for the majority of modern
> <rest of blah-blah snipped>
--
"Big data can reduce anything to a single number,
but you shouldn’t be fooled by the appearance of exactitude."
-Gary Marcus and Ernest Davis, NYT, 2014.04.07
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2014-04-28 05:44 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnllrql3.1e5e.g.kreme@amelia.local> |
| In reply to | #58973 |
In message <fNWdnfM2IKk4PsDOnZ2dnUVZ_r-dnZ2d@giganews.com> Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote: > On 2014.04.27, 17:36 , Lewis wrote: >> In message <slrnllmfej.1gn.timmcn@sugaree.local> >> Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> wrote: >>> On Wed, 23 Apr 2014 18:20:21 -0400, Alan Browne >>> <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote: >>>> >>>> With today's earnings report, the Mac line looks to be in a mild >>>> decline that has gone on now for the past 2 years. While there are >>>> quarterly peaks and valleys, looking at the data with a 4 quarter >>>> average shows a continuous decline v. the 2010-2012 period. >> >>> Along with desktops and laptops as a whole. I know people with a tablet >>> or smartphone who have not replaced the laptop they no longer use in >>> several years. >> >> The plural of anecdote is not data. > Funny how you use your own anecdotes as "evidence" but reject that of > others: But that is not what I did. We already established that people ae holding onto computers longer. I merely posted a first-hand example of why that might be (5 year old machines are perfectly capable and do not need to be replaced to run current apps). > On 2014.04.23, 21:01 , Lewis wrote: > > For the record, I have several computers that are 5 years old and are > > still perfectly usable and useful machines for the majority of modern > > <rest of blah-blah snipped> -- Knowledge, information, power, words... flying through the air, invisible... And suddenly the world was tap-dancing on quicksand. In that case, the prize went to the best dancer. --The Fifth Elephant
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| From | Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> |
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| Date | 2014-04-28 16:40 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <VvGdnfTz77tNIcPOnZ2dnUVZ_jWdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #58981 |
On 2014.04.28, 01:44 , Lewis wrote:
> In message <fNWdnfM2IKk4PsDOnZ2dnUVZ_r-dnZ2d@giganews.com>
> Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>> On 2014.04.27, 17:36 , Lewis wrote:
>>> In message <slrnllmfej.1gn.timmcn@sugaree.local>
>>> Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 23 Apr 2014 18:20:21 -0400, Alan Browne
>>>> <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> With today's earnings report, the Mac line looks to be in a mild
>>>>> decline that has gone on now for the past 2 years. While there are
>>>>> quarterly peaks and valleys, looking at the data with a 4 quarter
>>>>> average shows a continuous decline v. the 2010-2012 period.
>>>
>>>> Along with desktops and laptops as a whole. I know people with a tablet
>>>> or smartphone who have not replaced the laptop they no longer use in
>>>> several years.
>>>
>>> The plural of anecdote is not data.
>
>> Funny how you use your own anecdotes as "evidence" but reject that of
>> others:
>
> But that is not what I did. We already established that people ae
> holding onto computers longer. I merely posted a first-hand example of
> why that might be (5 year old machines are perfectly capable and do not
> need to be replaced to run current apps).
Esp. by people who are hardly using their 5 year old computers - or any
desktop or laptop at all and see no need to replace at all.
--
"Big data can reduce anything to a single number,
but you shouldn’t be fooled by the appearance of exactitude."
-Gary Marcus and Ernest Davis, NYT, 2014.04.07
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