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  Mac sales in mild decline Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-04-23 18:20 -0400
    Re: Mac sales in mild decline JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-04-23 18:33 -0400
      Re: Mac sales in mild decline Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-04-23 19:27 -0400
        Re: Mac sales in mild decline Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-04-24 01:01 +0000
          Re: Mac sales in mild decline JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-04-23 21:57 -0400
            Re: Mac sales in mild decline Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-04-24 16:30 +1200
          Re: Mac sales in mild decline nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-23 23:05 -0400
            Re: Mac sales in mild decline JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-04-24 00:05 -0400
          Re: Mac sales in mild decline Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-04-25 15:54 -0400
            Re: Mac sales in mild decline Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-04-27 21:27 +0000
              Re: Mac sales in mild decline Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-04-27 19:20 -0400
                Re: Mac sales in mild decline Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-04-28 05:41 +0000
        Re: Mac sales in mild decline nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-23 23:05 -0400
          Re: Mac sales in mild decline Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-04-26 12:39 -0400
            Re: Mac sales in mild decline dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-04-27 11:15 +1200
              Re: Mac sales in mild decline Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-04-27 19:21 -0400
            Re: Mac sales in mild decline nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-26 19:20 -0400
              Re: Mac sales in mild decline Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-04-26 20:35 -0400
                Re: Mac sales in mild decline Martin Frost me at invalid stanford daht edu <nospam@stanford.edu.invalid> - 2014-04-27 02:28 -0700
                  Re: Mac sales in mild decline Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-04-27 10:54 -0400
                  Re: Mac sales in mild decline Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-04-28 09:03 +1200
                    Re: Mac sales in mild decline John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2014-04-28 11:29 +0100
                      Re: Mac sales in mild decline Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-04-29 09:14 +1200
      Re: Mac sales in mild decline Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-04-24 16:10 +1200
      Re: Mac sales in mild decline Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> - 2014-04-24 16:16 -0700
        Re: Mac sales in mild decline Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-04-25 16:13 -0400
      Re: Mac sales in mild decline Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-04-25 15:05 +1200
        Re: Mac sales in mild decline JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-04-25 00:28 -0400
          Re: Mac sales in mild decline Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-04-25 18:11 +1200
        Re: Mac sales in mild decline Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-04-25 16:00 -0400
        Re: Mac sales in mild decline Rob Noland <not@this.com> - 2014-04-25 20:16 -0400
          Re: Mac sales in mild decline JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-04-25 20:54 -0400
          Re: Mac sales in mild decline Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-04-26 09:59 -0400
    Re: Mac sales in mild decline Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-04-23 16:33 -0700
      Re: Mac sales in mild decline Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-04-23 20:00 -0400
      Re: Mac sales in mild decline Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> - 2014-04-23 21:25 -0700
        Re: Mac sales in mild decline Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-04-24 18:25 +1200
        Re: Mac sales in mild decline Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-04-24 12:15 -0700
          Re: Mac sales in mild decline JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-04-24 18:04 -0400
            Re: Mac sales in mild decline Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-04-24 15:09 -0700
              Re: Mac sales in mild decline JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-04-24 18:32 -0400
                Re: Mac sales in mild decline Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-04-24 17:33 -0700
                  Re: Mac sales in mild decline Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-04-24 21:01 -0700
                  Re: Mac sales in mild decline Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> - 2014-04-24 21:31 -0700
                    Re: Mac sales in mild decline Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-04-24 21:48 -0700
                      Re: Mac sales in mild decline JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-04-25 04:42 -0400
                        Re: Mac sales in mild decline Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-04-26 10:23 +1200
                    Re: Mac sales in mild decline Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-04-27 21:35 +0000
              Re: Mac sales in mild decline Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-04-25 16:07 -0400
    Re: Mac sales in mild decline Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-04-24 00:59 +0000
      Re: Mac sales in mild decline nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-23 23:05 -0400
      Re: Mac sales in mild decline John Albert <j.albert@snet.net> - 2014-04-25 14:55 -0400
      Re: Mac sales in mild decline Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-04-25 15:53 -0400
    Re: Mac sales in mild decline JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-04-23 22:03 -0400
      Re: Mac sales in mild decline billy@MIX.COM - 2014-04-24 02:13 +0000
        Re: Mac sales in mild decline John Albert <j.albert@snet.net> - 2014-04-25 14:58 -0400
          Re: Mac sales in mild decline Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-04-26 10:26 +1200
            Re: Mac sales in mild decline John Albert <j.albert@snet.net> - 2014-04-26 13:56 -0400
              Re: Mac sales in mild decline Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-04-27 10:13 +1200
                Re: Mac sales in mild decline John Albert <j.albert@snet.net> - 2014-04-27 10:09 -0400
                  Re: Mac sales in mild decline nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-27 10:31 -0400
                    Re: Mac sales in mild decline Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-04-27 10:55 -0400
                      Re: Mac sales in mild decline Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-04-27 21:21 +0000
                        Re: Mac sales in mild decline Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-04-27 17:42 -0400
                          Re: Mac sales in mild decline Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-04-27 17:46 -0400
                  Re: Mac sales in mild decline Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-04-27 21:19 +0000
                    Re: Mac sales in mild decline Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-04-27 17:45 -0400
                      Re: Mac sales in mild decline Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-04-28 05:38 +0000
              Re: Mac sales in mild decline dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-04-27 11:15 +1200
              Re: Mac sales in mild decline nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-26 19:20 -0400
              Re: Mac sales in mild decline George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-04-27 10:12 -0500
            Re: Mac sales in mild decline Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-04-27 11:09 -0400
          Re: Mac sales in mild decline nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-25 18:38 -0400
            Re: Mac sales in mild decline George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-04-27 10:10 -0500
      Re: Mac sales in mild decline Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-04-24 16:34 +1200
        Re: Mac sales in mild decline JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-04-24 00:48 -0400
          Re: Mac sales in mild decline Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-04-24 18:30 +1200
    Re: Mac sales in mild decline Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-04-26 00:02 -0500
      Re: Mac sales in mild decline Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-04-26 18:22 +1200
        Re: Mac sales in mild decline Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-04-26 09:02 -0500
      Re: Mac sales in mild decline Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-04-26 09:41 -0400
      Re: Mac sales in mild decline Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-04-26 11:43 -0500
        Re: Mac sales in mild decline Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-04-26 13:05 -0400
      Re: Mac sales in mild decline Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-04-27 21:36 +0000
        Re: Mac sales in mild decline Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-04-27 20:41 -0400
          Re: Mac sales in mild decline Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-04-28 05:44 +0000
            Re: Mac sales in mild decline Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-04-28 16:40 -0400

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#58863

On 14-04-24 18:09, Alan Baker wrote:

> If interest had "evaporated", then you would expect supply to catch up 
> with demand.
> 
> Which it hasn't.

It could also be a case of Apple having mis-estimated which variants
would be more popular, and they are short of parts on the more popular
variant while they have plenrty of parts for the variants fewer people
choose. So delivery delays would vary considerably between variants.
(one would have to test this theory by trying to place orders for
different variants).

From Apple's point of view, the new MacPro is a low volume niche
product. Especially with Tim Cook at the top, I would expect Apple to
have streamlined the production and supply chain to "JIT" to reduce
inventory/costs. But miscalculating demand will result in delays, but
those delays don't necessarily mean that the whole product line is more
popular than anticipated.

I am not taking sides here. Just stating various possibilities.

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#58867

On 2014-04-24 22:32:57 +0000, JF Mezei said:

> On 14-04-24 18:09, Alan Baker wrote:
> 
>> If interest had "evaporated", then you would expect supply to catch up
>> with demand.
>> 
>> Which it hasn't.
> 
> It could also be a case of Apple having mis-estimated which variants
> would be more popular, and they are short of parts on the more popular
> variant while they have plenrty of parts for the variants fewer people
> choose. So delivery delays would vary considerably between variants.
> (one would have to test this theory by trying to place orders for
> different variants).

Occam's Razor.

> 
> From Apple's point of view, the new MacPro is a low volume niche
> product. Especially with Tim Cook at the top, I would expect Apple to
> have streamlined the production and supply chain to "JIT" to reduce
> inventory/costs. But miscalculating demand will result in delays, but
> those delays don't necessarily mean that the whole product line is more
> popular than anticipated.
> 
> I am not taking sides here. Just stating various possibilities.

You're wildly speculating.

What we know:

The Mac Pro was given rave reviews and declared to be price competitive 
with similarly powered PC workstations (even build-your-own).

18 weeks after its introduction--far and away enough time to sort out 
any issues of which variants are popular--it's still experiencing 
shipping times of 3 to 5 weeks.

Clearly, interest in it has not "evaporated".

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#58873

In article <ljcahj$f4m$1@news.datemas.de>, Alan Baker
<alangbaker@telus.net> wrote:

> You're wildly speculating.

That's what he does best.

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#58877

In article <ljcahj$f4m$1@news.datemas.de>,
 Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote:

> On 2014-04-24 22:32:57 +0000, JF Mezei said:
> 
> > On 14-04-24 18:09, Alan Baker wrote:
> > 
> >> If interest had "evaporated", then you would expect supply to catch up
> >> with demand.
> >> 
> >> Which it hasn't.
> > 
> > It could also be a case of Apple having mis-estimated which variants
> > would be more popular, and they are short of parts on the more popular
> > variant while they have plenrty of parts for the variants fewer people
> > choose. So delivery delays would vary considerably between variants.
> > (one would have to test this theory by trying to place orders for
> > different variants).
> 
> Occam's Razor.
> 
> > 
> > From Apple's point of view, the new MacPro is a low volume niche
> > product. Especially with Tim Cook at the top, I would expect Apple to
> > have streamlined the production and supply chain to "JIT" to reduce
> > inventory/costs. But miscalculating demand will result in delays, but
> > those delays don't necessarily mean that the whole product line is more
> > popular than anticipated.
> > 
> > I am not taking sides here. Just stating various possibilities.
> 
> You're wildly speculating.
> 
> What we know:
> 
> The Mac Pro was given rave reviews and declared to be price competitive 
> with similarly powered PC workstations (even build-your-own).
> 
> 18 weeks after its introduction--far and away enough time to sort out 
> any issues of which variants are popular--it's still experiencing 
> shipping times of 3 to 5 weeks.
> 
> Clearly, interest in it has not "evaporated".

I'll believe that there's a huge interest in them when I start seeing 
them.  I see only new iMacs and laptops showing up on desks.  If the 
wait times are due to high shipping volume then I'd like to know where 
they're all going.

Many of the rave reviews have been tempered by hands-on reviews.  While 
there is a lot of pricy hardware in the new Mac, it's not exactly used 
in a good way.  Thunderbolt has a huge performance penalty compared to 
modern PCI cards.  The Xeon CPU is designed to be used two at a time so 
one doesn't perform by itself.  The amazingly fast dual GPU has 
undocumented and incomplete drivers so apps can't take advantage of it.  
In real application use, the new Trash Can Mac using Thunderbolt drives 
is comparable to a top-of-the-line iMac with an SSD, or even slower than 
the old dual Xeon Mac Pro with an internal RAID.

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#58879

On 2014-04-25 04:31:41 +0000, Kevin McMurtrie said:

> In article <ljcahj$f4m$1@news.datemas.de>,
>  Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote:
> 
>> On 2014-04-24 22:32:57 +0000, JF Mezei said:
>> 
>>> On 14-04-24 18:09, Alan Baker wrote:
>>> 
>>>> If interest had "evaporated", then you would expect supply to catch up
>>>> with demand.
>>>> 
>>>> Which it hasn't.
>>> 
>>> It could also be a case of Apple having mis-estimated which variants
>>> would be more popular, and they are short of parts on the more popular
>>> variant while they have plenrty of parts for the variants fewer people
>>> choose. So delivery delays would vary considerably between variants.
>>> (one would have to test this theory by trying to place orders for
>>> different variants).
>> 
>> Occam's Razor.
>> 
>>> 
>>> From Apple's point of view, the new MacPro is a low volume niche
>>> product. Especially with Tim Cook at the top, I would expect Apple to
>>> have streamlined the production and supply chain to "JIT" to reduce
>>> inventory/costs. But miscalculating demand will result in delays, but
>>> those delays don't necessarily mean that the whole product line is more
>>> popular than anticipated.
>>> 
>>> I am not taking sides here. Just stating various possibilities.
>> 
>> You're wildly speculating.
>> 
>> What we know:
>> 
>> The Mac Pro was given rave reviews and declared to be price competitive
>> with similarly powered PC workstations (even build-your-own).
>> 
>> 18 weeks after its introduction--far and away enough time to sort out
>> any issues of which variants are popular--it's still experiencing
>> shipping times of 3 to 5 weeks.
>> 
>> Clearly, interest in it has not "evaporated".
> 
> I'll believe that there's a huge interest in them when I start seeing
> them.  I see only new iMacs and laptops showing up on desks.  If the
> wait times are due to high shipping volume then I'd like to know where
> they're all going.

What are the people sitting at those desks doing for a living?

> 
> Many of the rave reviews have been tempered by hands-on reviews.  While
> there is a lot of pricy hardware in the new Mac, it's not exactly used
> in a good way.  Thunderbolt has a huge performance penalty compared to
> modern PCI cards.  The Xeon CPU is designed to be used two at a time so
> one doesn't perform by itself.  The amazingly fast dual GPU has
> undocumented and incomplete drivers so apps can't take advantage of it.
> In real application use, the new Trash Can Mac using Thunderbolt drives
> is comparable to a top-of-the-line iMac with an SSD, or even slower than
> the old dual Xeon Mac Pro with an internal RAID.

I'd like to see one of these hands-on reviews you say "tempered" the raves...

...and something to backup your performance claims.

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#58883

On 14-04-25 00:48, Alan Baker wrote:

> I'd like to see one of these hands-on reviews you say "tempered" the raves...
> 
> ...and something to backup your performance claims.


Well, Apple's performance claims would be based on only internal SSD
drives being used.


Real life would depend on how fast your interface to storage is. Since
you can't have embedded fibrechannel or other cards, it all depends on
the performance of the iterface between thunderbolt and your storage array.

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#58899

In article <535a1fdc$0$17117$c3e8da3$dd9697d2@news.astraweb.com>, JF
Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> On 14-04-25 00:48, Alan Baker wrote:
> >
> > I'd like to see one of these hands-on reviews you say "tempered" the
> > raves...
> > 
> > ...and something to backup your performance claims.
> 
> Well, Apple's performance claims would be based on only internal SSD
> drives being used.
> 
> Real life would depend on how fast your interface to storage is. Since
> you can't have embedded fibrechannel or other cards, it all depends on
> the performance of the iterface between thunderbolt and your storage array.

Theoretically the Thunderbolt 2 ports mean external storage / cards
*should* pretty much match internal components for perfomance ... of
course, as you basically said, it depends on the maker of those
external devices as to how good their Thunderbolt connection is (it
could, as a hopefully silly example, use an old serial->Thunderbolt
adaptor).

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#58959

In message <mcmurtrie-12527C.21314124042014@c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au> 
  Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> wrote:
> Thunderbolt has a huge performance penalty compared to modern PCI
> cards.

Bullshit.

> The Xeon CPU is designed to be used two at a time so one doesn't
> perform by itself.

What the hell are you smoking?

> The amazingly fast dual GPU has undocumented and incomplete drivers so
> apps can't take advantage of it.  

Third Party apps that have been written CORRECTLY for things like
Core Audio, Core Animation, and Core Image are just fine. Apps that want
to do custom dibbling, had to be updated for the new GPUs. As is always
the case.

> In real application use, the new Trash Can Mac using Thunderbolt
> drives is comparable to a top-of-the-line iMac with an SSD, or even
> slower than the old dual Xeon Mac Pro with an internal RAID.

That very much depends on the "real application" you choose to use. It
rips the shit out of any other machine in video, for example.

-- 
She hated everything that predestined people, that fooled them, that
made them slightly less than human. --Witches Abroad

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#58896

On 2014.04.24, 18:09 , Alan Baker wrote:
> On 2014-04-24 22:04:46 +0000, JF Mezei said:
>
>> On 14-04-24 15:15, Alan Baker wrote:
>>
>>> Shipping on the Mac Pros is showing 3-5 weeks.
>>>
>>> Does that sound like interest in it has "evaporated"?
>>
>> You can't draw conclusions are they are all built to order.  It can
>> range form them being very busy, to them being so un-busy that they got
>> 2 weeks off and the few orders will start to get built when they come
>> back.
>
> You can make some reasonable assumptions.
>
> If interest had "evaporated", then you would expect supply to catch up
> with demand.
>
> Which it hasn't.

Supply constraints may be elsewhere (eg: intel or graphics processors) 
which could be choking output.

During the much ballyhooed iMac delivery constraint, people were seeing 
"Available to ship: 8 weeks" (or similar) - only to get shipment 
confirmation a week or so later and their Mac a couple days after that. 
  That is, the site may be setting low expectations.

(if you add options like high end processors and graphics to the new Mac 
Pro then the delivery time goes up even more - so perhaps a constraint 
on those optional processors arriving at Apple's assembly facility).

-- 
"Big data can reduce anything to a single number,
  but you shouldn’t be fooled by the appearance of exactitude."
      -Gary Marcus and Ernest Davis, NYT, 2014.04.07

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#58819

In message <FqedndkBPJE4ocXOnZ2dnUVZ_t6dnZ2d@giganews.com> 
  Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
> Apple no longer break Mac sales down into Pro, iMac, Book and mini.

They never did.

> Not related to the release, but there have been "low price iMac" rumours 
> in the press in recent months - if true, then perhaps a bid to attract 
> newcomers to the Mac.

If there were a low price iMac, it would replace the Mac mini. I doubt
that will happen.

-- 
"Everyone has a photographic Memory, some just don't have film." ~Steven
Wright

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#58831

In article <slrnllgof1.2tv.g.kreme@amelia.local>, Lewis
<g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> > Apple no longer break Mac sales down into Pro, iMac, Book and mini.
> 
> They never did.

they normally split it into desktop and portables but beyond that, no.

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#58890

On 4/23/14 8:59 PM, Lewis wrote:
> If there were a low price iMac, it would replace the Mac mini. I doubt
> that will happen.

There are indeed rumors of a lower-priced iMac that may be 
released soon.

The last Mini was the "late 2012" (I have one). Folks had 
been expecting some kind of update for the Mini since around 
October last year, but it never came.

My guess (only a guess) is that Apple may have been working 
on a Haswell version of the Mini, but decided that it wasn't 
a "big enough" leap forward to justify putting it into 
production, with the Broadwell chip on the immediate 
horizon. But it looks like Broadwell has been delayed a 
little -- hence, an updated "Broadwell Mini" is delayed, as 
well.

Then again, Apple might have decided the Mini has "run its 
course", and perhaps the late 2012 version will be the last 
released...

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#58892

On 2014.04.23, 20:59 , Lewis wrote:
> In message <FqedndkBPJE4ocXOnZ2dnUVZ_t6dnZ2d@giganews.com>
>    Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>> Apple no longer break Mac sales down into Pro, iMac, Book and mini.
>
> They never did.

Correct.  But, they used to break it down to desktop and laptop.  They 
don't anymore.

>> Not related to the release, but there have been "low price iMac" rumours
>> in the press in recent months - if true, then perhaps a bid to attract
>> newcomers to the Mac.
>
> If there were a low price iMac, it would replace the Mac mini. I doubt
> that will happen.

As I said, "rumours".


-- 
"Big data can reduce anything to a single number,
  but you shouldn’t be fooled by the appearance of exactitude."
      -Gary Marcus and Ernest Davis, NYT, 2014.04.07

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#58824

Tim Cook brags about health and growth of iTunes.

800 million accounts, most of those attached to a credit card.

As you may recall there were some Wall Street Casino Analysts who
speculated Itunes was not doing well. Timk Cook started his speech with
iTunes success, killing those casino analysts' speculation.



Tablets will surpass the PC market IN A FEW YEARS. So it appears PC is
still bigger.

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#58825

JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> writes:

> Tim Cook brags about health and growth of iTunes.
> 
> 800 million accounts, most of those attached to a credit card.

Everybody with an Apple ID has an iTunes account, whether they
use it, or (like me) not.

That said, I remain quite happy with the royalty income iTunes
generates for me.

Billy Y..
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#58891

On 4/23/14 10:13 PM, billy@MIX.COM wrote:
> verybody with an Apple ID has an iTunes account, whether they
> use it, or (like me) not.

I have several Macs, and I don't have an Apple or iTunes 
account.

I have never purchased anything from iTunes, and never will.
There is no chance that that will change.

I've been a Mac user since 1987 -- and an Apple // user 
before that...

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#58900

In article <535ab048$0$44944$862e30e2@ngroups.net>, John Albert
<j.albert@snet.net> wrote:

> On 4/23/14 10:13 PM, billy@MIX.COM wrote:
> > verybody with an Apple ID has an iTunes account, whether they
> > use it, or (like me) not.
> 
> I have several Macs, and I don't have an Apple or iTunes 
> account.
> 
> I have never purchased anything from iTunes, and never will.
> There is no chance that that will change.
> 
> I've been a Mac user since 1987 -- and an Apple // user 
> before that...

If Apple takes Mac software fully down the App Store route, as it
appears to be heading, then you'll HAVE to buy via iTunes (or whatever
replaces it).

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#58919

On 4/25/14 6:26 PM, Your Name wrote:
> If Apple takes Mac software fully down the App Store route, as it
> appears to be heading, then you'll HAVE to buy via iTunes (or whatever
> replaces it).

Unlikely.

I sense there will always be another way to get the software 
one needs, even from "non-authorized" channels, if one so 
chooses.

I have many gigabytes of music, not a single track was 
purchased via iTunes.
I -do- buy from amazon.com -- just picked something up there 
yesterday.

When the Apple Store lets me register so that I may look 
around without having to provide credit card info -first-, 
then I will register. Until that happens, I will never 
register...

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#58923

In article <535bf350$0$44783$862e30e2@ngroups.net>, John Albert
<j.albert@snet.net> wrote:
> On 4/25/14 6:26 PM, Your Name wrote:
> > If Apple takes Mac software fully down the App Store route, as it
> > appears to be heading, then you'll HAVE to buy via iTunes (or whatever
> > replaces it).
> 
> Unlikely.
> 
> I sense there will always be another way to get the software 
> one needs, even from "non-authorized" channels, if one so 
> chooses.

Sure, if you want to "jailbreak" your devices and open them up to all
sorts of malware ... but GateKeeper looks like it's heading towards a
App Store only approach.



> I have many gigabytes of music, not a single track was 
> purchased via iTunes.
> I -do- buy from amazon.com -- just picked something up there 
> yesterday.
> 
> When the Apple Store lets me register so that I may look 
> around without having to provide credit card info -first-, 
> then I will register. Until that happens, I will never 
> register...

Last time I chaecked (which was a while ago) you can look around the
App and iTunes Stores as much as you like without registering. It's
only when you want to buy something that you need to register ... just
like Amazon, Book Depository, or any of a bazillion other webstores.

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#58939

On 4/26/14 6:13 PM, Your Name wrote:
> Sure, if you want to "jailbreak" your devices and open them up to all
> sorts of malware ... but GateKeeper looks like it's heading towards a
> App Store only approach.

Heh. One of the very first things I did when I got my late 
2012 Mac Mini was to turn Gatekeeper OFF.

I don't want the OS to tell me what I can run or can't run.
Whether I make mistakes or not, I want that decision to rest 
with ME.

Whatever happend to "the power to be your best" ?????

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