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  Newsreaders David Fritzinger <dfritzin@nospamtome.hotmail.com> - 2013-10-24 08:13 -0400
    Re: Newsreaders Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-10-24 13:57 +0000
    Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-24 14:05 +0000
      Re: Newsreaders Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-24 09:29 -0500
    Re: Newsreaders Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2013-10-24 13:33 -0400
      Re: Newsreaders David Fritzinger <dfritzin@nospam.mac.com> - 2013-10-24 14:38 -0400
    Re: Newsreaders Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-10-24 13:39 -0400
      Re: Newsreaders David Fritzinger <dfritzin@nospam.mac.com> - 2013-10-24 14:38 -0400
        Re: Newsreaders Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-10-24 20:06 -0400
    Re: Newsreaders Jim Gibson <jimsgibson@gmail.com> - 2013-10-24 11:02 -0700
      Re: Newsreaders Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-24 13:04 -0500
      Re: Newsreaders Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-10-24 18:08 +0000
      Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-25 10:28 +1300
      Re: Newsreaders "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2013-10-27 15:04 -0400
        Re: Newsreaders Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-28 09:50 +1300
    Re: Newsreaders Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-24 17:14 -0400
      Re: Newsreaders gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-10-24 18:11 -0700
    Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-25 10:27 +1300
      Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-25 06:07 +0000
        Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-25 21:39 +1300
          Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-26 13:51 +0000
            Re: Newsreaders nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-26 10:09 -0400
        Re: Newsreaders dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2013-10-25 22:51 +1300

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#50531 — Newsreaders

I'm still on ML on both my Macs-I have a seminar to give today, and I 
don't want to take any chances of any sort of glitch messing up one of 
my machines. I'm using MT-Newswatcher for Usenet, but realize that 
Newswatcher won't work under Mavericks. I'm looking for a free Usenet 
client that is reasonable. Does anyone have any suggestions? 

FWIW, I just downloaded two free clients that made the top 5 list of 
Usenet clients from Allyouneedlists.com. They are SABznbd, and NNTPgrab. 
Does anyone have any experience with either of them? I haven't tried 
them yet, and probably wont' until tomorrow.

Thank you in advance.

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#50536

On Thu, 24 Oct 2013 08:13:56 -0400, David Fritzinger wrote:
>  I'm still on ML on both my Macs-I have a seminar to give today, and I 
>  don't want to take any chances of any sort of glitch messing up one of 
>  my machines. I'm using MT-Newswatcher for Usenet, but realize that 
>  Newswatcher won't work under Mavericks. I'm looking for a free Usenet 
>  client that is reasonable. Does anyone have any suggestions? 

Personally, I do prefer slrn within the terminal.
Otherwise, I do use Thunderbird on occasions.

- Martin

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#50538

In message <dfritzin-0117F6.08135624102013@news.eternal-september.org> 
  David Fritzinger <dfritzin@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> FWIW, I just downloaded two free clients that made the top 5 list of 
> Usenet clients from Allyouneedlists.com. They are SABznbd, and NNTPgrab. 

Neither one of those are NNTP clients.

-- 
A dyslexic walks into a bra...

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#50539

On 2013-10-24 14:05:24 +0000, Lewis said:

> In message <dfritzin-0117F6.08135624102013@news.eternal-september.org>
>   David Fritzinger <dfritzin@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
>> FWIW, I just downloaded two free clients that made the top 5 list of
>> Usenet clients from Allyouneedlists.com. They are SABznbd, and NNTPgrab.
> 
> Neither one of those are NNTP clients.

Yeah, I found that out too.  That site doesn't seem to know what a NNTP 
client is.
-- 
Lloyd

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#50546

In article <dfritzin-0117F6.08135624102013@news.eternal-september.org>,
 David Fritzinger <dfritzin@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:

> I'm still on ML on both my Macs-I have a seminar to give today, and I 
> don't want to take any chances of any sort of glitch messing up one of 
> my machines. I'm using MT-Newswatcher for Usenet, but realize that 
> Newswatcher won't work under Mavericks. I'm looking for a free Usenet 
> client that is reasonable. Does anyone have any suggestions? 
> 
> FWIW, I just downloaded two free clients that made the top 5 list of 
> Usenet clients from Allyouneedlists.com. They are SABznbd, and NNTPgrab. 
> Does anyone have any experience with either of them? I haven't tried 
> them yet, and probably wont' until tomorrow.
> 
> Thank you in advance.

There has been a lengthy discussion of this on comp.sys.mac.apps which 
might be useful to you.

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#50554

In article <fmoore-4F93F3.13332924102013@mx05.eternal-september.org>,
 Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> wrote:

> In article <dfritzin-0117F6.08135624102013@news.eternal-september.org>,
>  David Fritzinger <dfritzin@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > I'm still on ML on both my Macs-I have a seminar to give today, and I 
> > don't want to take any chances of any sort of glitch messing up one of 
> > my machines. I'm using MT-Newswatcher for Usenet, but realize that 
> > Newswatcher won't work under Mavericks. I'm looking for a free Usenet 
> > client that is reasonable. Does anyone have any suggestions? 
> > 
> > FWIW, I just downloaded two free clients that made the top 5 list of 
> > Usenet clients from Allyouneedlists.com. They are SABznbd, and NNTPgrab. 
> > Does anyone have any experience with either of them? I haven't tried 
> > them yet, and probably wont' until tomorrow.
> > 
> > Thank you in advance.
> 
> There has been a lengthy discussion of this on comp.sys.mac.apps which 
> might be useful to you.

Thank you.

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#50547

In article <dfritzin-0117F6.08135624102013@news.eternal-september.org>,
 David Fritzinger <dfritzin@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:

> I'm still on ML on both my Macs-I have a seminar to give today, and I 
> don't want to take any chances of any sort of glitch messing up one of 
> my machines. I'm using MT-Newswatcher for Usenet, but realize that 
> Newswatcher won't work under Mavericks. I'm looking for a free Usenet 
> client that is reasonable. Does anyone have any suggestions? 
> 
> FWIW, I just downloaded two free clients that made the top 5 list of 
> Usenet clients from Allyouneedlists.com. They are SABznbd, and NNTPgrab. 
> Does anyone have any experience with either of them? I haven't tried 
> them yet, and probably wont' until tomorrow.
> 
> Thank you in advance.

This isn't a system question, it's an app question. And guess what -- 
there are several threads on the subject in comp.sys.mac.apps since 
Mavericks came out and everyone discovered that MT-NW no longer works.

-- 
Barry Margolin, barmar@alum.mit.edu
Arlington, MA
*** PLEASE post questions in newsgroups, not directly to me ***

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#50553

In article <barmar-CEC2C3.13391524102013@news.eternal-september.org>,
 Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote:

> In article <dfritzin-0117F6.08135624102013@news.eternal-september.org>,
>  David Fritzinger <dfritzin@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > I'm still on ML on both my Macs-I have a seminar to give today, and I 
> > don't want to take any chances of any sort of glitch messing up one of 
> > my machines. I'm using MT-Newswatcher for Usenet, but realize that 
> > Newswatcher won't work under Mavericks. I'm looking for a free Usenet 
> > client that is reasonable. Does anyone have any suggestions? 
> > 
> > FWIW, I just downloaded two free clients that made the top 5 list of 
> > Usenet clients from Allyouneedlists.com. They are SABznbd, and NNTPgrab. 
> > Does anyone have any experience with either of them? I haven't tried 
> > them yet, and probably wont' until tomorrow.
> > 
> > Thank you in advance.
> 
> This isn't a system question, it's an app question. And guess what -- 
> there are several threads on the subject in comp.sys.mac.apps since 
> Mavericks came out and everyone discovered that MT-NW no longer works.

I know MTNW doesn't work under Mavericks. I'm asking people's opinions 
on good replacements.

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#50607

In article <dfritzin-1540D9.14380524102013@news.eternal-september.org>,
 David Fritzinger <dfritzin@nospam.mac.com> wrote:

> In article <barmar-CEC2C3.13391524102013@news.eternal-september.org>,
>  Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
> 
> > In article <dfritzin-0117F6.08135624102013@news.eternal-september.org>,
> >  David Fritzinger <dfritzin@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > I'm still on ML on both my Macs-I have a seminar to give today, and I 
> > > don't want to take any chances of any sort of glitch messing up one of 
> > > my machines. I'm using MT-Newswatcher for Usenet, but realize that 
> > > Newswatcher won't work under Mavericks. I'm looking for a free Usenet 
> > > client that is reasonable. Does anyone have any suggestions? 
> > > 
> > > FWIW, I just downloaded two free clients that made the top 5 list of 
> > > Usenet clients from Allyouneedlists.com. They are SABznbd, and NNTPgrab. 
> > > Does anyone have any experience with either of them? I haven't tried 
> > > them yet, and probably wont' until tomorrow.
> > > 
> > > Thank you in advance.
> > 
> > This isn't a system question, it's an app question. And guess what -- 
> > there are several threads on the subject in comp.sys.mac.apps since 
> > Mavericks came out and everyone discovered that MT-NW no longer works.
> 
> I know MTNW doesn't work under Mavericks. I'm asking people's opinions 
> on good replacements.

I know you know that -- you said it in your first paragraph.

I'm suggesting that you take a look at the threads in the other 
newsgroup, where people have already been posting their opinions for a 
couple of days, instead of starting a new thread in the wrong group.

-- 
Barry Margolin, barmar@alum.mit.edu
Arlington, MA
*** PLEASE post questions in newsgroups, not directly to me ***

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#50549

In article <dfritzin-0117F6.08135624102013@news.eternal-september.org>,
David Fritzinger <dfritzin@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:

> I'm still on ML on both my Macs-I have a seminar to give today, and I 
> don't want to take any chances of any sort of glitch messing up one of 
> my machines. I'm using MT-Newswatcher for Usenet, but realize that 
> Newswatcher won't work under Mavericks. I'm looking for a free Usenet 
> client that is reasonable. Does anyone have any suggestions? 
> 
> FWIW, I just downloaded two free clients that made the top 5 list of 
> Usenet clients from Allyouneedlists.com. They are SABznbd, and NNTPgrab. 
> Does anyone have any experience with either of them? I haven't tried 
> them yet, and probably wont' until tomorrow.
> 
> Thank you in advance.


Here is a list of Mac newsreaders:

<http://www.macorchard.com/usenet/>

I have no idea how up-to-date the information on that page is, however.

-- 
Jim Gibson

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#50550

On 2013-10-24 18:02:58 +0000, Jim Gibson said:

> In article <dfritzin-0117F6.08135624102013@news.eternal-september.org>,
> David Fritzinger <dfritzin@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> I'm still on ML on both my Macs-I have a seminar to give today, and I
>> don't want to take any chances of any sort of glitch messing up one of
>> my machines. I'm using MT-Newswatcher for Usenet, but realize that
>> Newswatcher won't work under Mavericks. I'm looking for a free Usenet
>> client that is reasonable. Does anyone have any suggestions?
>> 
>> FWIW, I just downloaded two free clients that made the top 5 list of
>> Usenet clients from Allyouneedlists.com. They are SABznbd, and NNTPgrab.
>> Does anyone have any experience with either of them? I haven't tried
>> them yet, and probably wont' until tomorrow.
>> 
>> Thank you in advance.
> 
> 
> Here is a list of Mac newsreaders:
> 
> <http://www.macorchard.com/usenet/>
> 
> I have no idea how up-to-date the information on that page is, however.

I think it is very old.

-- 
Lloyd

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#50551

In article <241020131102582999%jimsgibson@gmail.com>, Jim Gibson <jimsgibson@gmail.com> wrote:

>  Here is a list of Mac newsreaders:
> 
>  <http://www.macorchard.com/usenet/>
> 
>  I have no idea how up-to-date the information on that page is, however.

It's about as up-to-date as a list of Amiga newsreaders would be :)

-- 
Sandman[.net]

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#50585

Jim Gibson <jimsgibson@gmail.com> wrote:

> In article <dfritzin-0117F6.08135624102013@news.eternal-september.org>,
> David Fritzinger <dfritzin@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > I'm still on ML on both my Macs-I have a seminar to give today, and I
> > don't want to take any chances of any sort of glitch messing up one of
> > my machines. I'm using MT-Newswatcher for Usenet, but realize that 
> > Newswatcher won't work under Mavericks. I'm looking for a free Usenet
> > client that is reasonable. Does anyone have any suggestions? 
> > 
> > FWIW, I just downloaded two free clients that made the top 5 list of
> > Usenet clients from Allyouneedlists.com. They are SABznbd, and NNTPgrab.
> > Does anyone have any experience with either of them? I haven't tried
> > them yet, and probably wont' until tomorrow.
> > 
> > Thank you in advance.
> 
> 
> Here is a list of Mac newsreaders:
> 
> <http://www.macorchard.com/usenet/>
> 
> I have no idea how up-to-date the information on that page is, however.

It's OS X 10.5 era info. Used to be my favourite 'first checked every
morning' Mac software update site.
-- 
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

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#50901

In article <241020131102582999%jimsgibson@gmail.com>,
 Jim Gibson <jimsgibson@gmail.com> wrote:

> Here is a list of Mac newsreaders:
> 
> <http://www.macorchard.com/usenet/>
> 
> I have no idea how up-to-date the information on that page is, however.

I'm going to guess summer 2010, because that's the latest date listed 
for a "current" version of any of the newsreaders listed.

-- 
D.F. Manno | dfmanno@mail.com
GOP delenda est!

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#50924

In article <dfmanno-7793EC.15040627102013@news.albasani.net>, D.F.
Manno <dfmanno@mail.com> wrote:
> In article <241020131102582999%jimsgibson@gmail.com>,
>  Jim Gibson <jimsgibson@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Here is a list of Mac newsreaders:
> > 
> > <http://www.macorchard.com/usenet/>
> > 
> > I have no idea how up-to-date the information on that page is, however.
> 
> I'm going to guess summer 2010, because that's the latest date listed 
> for a "current" version of any of the newsreaders listed.

Yep, it used to be a handy website, but hasn't been updated in a while.
Possibly it got over-taken by places like MacUpdate.com. It can still
be useful if you need older applications (like me looking for Mac OS X
1 and 2 applications), although you may find some links now longer
work.

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#50578

On 2013.10.24, 08:13 , David Fritzinger wrote:
> ?
>
> FWIW, I just downloaded two free clients that made the top 5 list of
> Usenet clients from Allyouneedlists.com. They are SABznbd, and NNTPgrab.
> Does anyone have any experience with either of them? I haven't tried
> them yet, and probably wont' until tomorrow.

Thunderbird is fine for me.  I've been using it since it came out 
(windows days).  I have Unison (paid for) but I don't especially like it.

Some people despise TB and love Unison...

Follow up set to: comp.sys.mac.apps
===================================

-- 
"Quotation, n: The act of repeating erroneously the words of another."
                                                 -Ambrose Bierce

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#50614

On 2013-10-24 21:14:00 +0000, Alan Browne said:

> Some people despise TB and love Unison...

I like Unison.  Certainly it could be much better, but it does 95% of 
what I need quickly and efficiently.

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#50583

David Fritzinger <dfritzin@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:

> I'm still on ML on both my Macs-I have a seminar to give today, and I
> don't want to take any chances of any sort of glitch messing up one of
> my machines. I'm using MT-Newswatcher for Usenet, but realize that 
> Newswatcher won't work under Mavericks. I'm looking for a free Usenet
> client that is reasonable. Does anyone have any suggestions? 
> 
> FWIW, I just downloaded two free clients that made the top 5 list of 
> Usenet clients from Allyouneedlists.com. They are SABznbd, and NNTPgrab.
> Does anyone have any experience with either of them? I haven't tried 
> them yet, and probably wont' until tomorrow.
> 
> Thank you in advance.

Why not just stick with 10.8? It'll be supported both by Apple and third
party devs for a few more years, based on past behaviour. If nothing
else I'd avoid being an early adopter (especially on a work machine! Why
would you risk updating a work machine that's working just fine, and is
needed immediately afterwards?), but that's just me - I've been burnt by
release versions too many times.

As for those two newsreaders - never heard of them, or ever seen them in
other people's User-Agent header, and I've been on Usenet for decades
now.
-- 
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

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#50648

In message <1lbakrg.1vxjs9x1jk7davN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> 
  Jamie Kahn Genet <jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> wrote:
> David Fritzinger <dfritzin@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:

>> I'm still on ML on both my Macs-I have a seminar to give today, and I
>> don't want to take any chances of any sort of glitch messing up one of
>> my machines. I'm using MT-Newswatcher for Usenet, but realize that 
>> Newswatcher won't work under Mavericks. I'm looking for a free Usenet
>> client that is reasonable. Does anyone have any suggestions? 
>> 
>> FWIW, I just downloaded two free clients that made the top 5 list of 
>> Usenet clients from Allyouneedlists.com. They are SABznbd, and NNTPgrab.
>> Does anyone have any experience with either of them? I haven't tried 
>> them yet, and probably wont' until tomorrow.
>> 
>> Thank you in advance.

> Why not just stick with 10.8? It'll be supported both by Apple and third
> party devs for a few more years, based on past behaviour.

I suspect very strongly that 10.8 will not be supported by developers
for any length of time at all. You will have support for 10.6.8 and
later, and 10.9 and later, pretty much only those two options.

Apple killed 10.8. They could easily drop all support for it tomorrow
since 1) 10.9 runs on every single model 10.8 runs on and 2) it's free.

> As for those two newsreaders - never heard of them, or ever seen them in
> other people's User-Agent header, and I've been on Usenet for decades
> now.

They aren't newsreaders, they are downloaders for nzb files.

-- 
"My parents were unwilling to secure the necessary eagle's eggs and lion
semen"

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#50663

Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> In message <1lbakrg.1vxjs9x1jk7davN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> 
>   Jamie Kahn Genet <jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> wrote:
> > David Fritzinger <dfritzin@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> >> I'm still on ML on both my Macs-I have a seminar to give today, and I
> >> don't want to take any chances of any sort of glitch messing up one of
> >> my machines. I'm using MT-Newswatcher for Usenet, but realize that
> >> Newswatcher won't work under Mavericks. I'm looking for a free Usenet
> >> client that is reasonable. Does anyone have any suggestions? 
> >> 
> >> FWIW, I just downloaded two free clients that made the top 5 list of
> >> Usenet clients from Allyouneedlists.com. They are SABznbd, and NNTPgrab.
> >> Does anyone have any experience with either of them? I haven't tried
> >> them yet, and probably wont' until tomorrow.
> >> 
> >> Thank you in advance.
> 
> > Why not just stick with 10.8? It'll be supported both by Apple and third
> > party devs for a few more years, based on past behaviour.
> 
> I suspect very strongly that 10.8 will not be supported by developers
> for any length of time at all. You will have support for 10.6.8 and
> later, and 10.9 and later, pretty much only those two options.

Ok, you just included 10.8 there ;-)

> Apple killed 10.8. They could easily drop all support for it tomorrow
> since 1) 10.9 runs on every single model 10.8 runs on and 2) it's free.

I'm doubtful of that. Apple never drops support that quickly. Third
party devs? Not all of them, unless the market share is next to nothing.

The thing about upgrading the OS is, a lot of buyers of Macs never do.
We do a lot more than Windows users who only rarely upgrade the OS of a
PC. But there's still a significant percentage of Mac users don't,
either because they're unaware of the upgrade, a need to upgrade, or
simply don't know how to and never find out.

It's important to realise that for many users their Mac is just a tool,
and they might never see a single news item on 10.9 in the non-tech news
they care to follow.

> > As for those two newsreaders - never heard of them, or ever seen them in
> > other people's User-Agent header, and I've been on Usenet for decades
> > now.
> 
> They aren't newsreaders, they are downloaders for nzb files.

Ah.
-- 
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

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