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| Started by | Rich Gray <devnull@nowhere.invalid> |
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| First post | 2012-08-12 17:06 -0400 |
| Last post | 2012-08-14 18:17 -0400 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 186 — 23 participants |
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Losing my religion(?) Rich Gray <devnull@nowhere.invalid> - 2012-08-12 17:06 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-12 19:55 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-12 20:24 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) isw <isw@witzend.com> - 2012-08-12 23:19 -0700
Re: Losing my religion(?) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-13 03:06 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2012-08-13 11:42 -0700
Re: Losing my religion(?) Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2012-08-13 12:11 -0700
Re: Losing my religion(?) Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-13 12:29 -0700
Re: Losing my religion(?) me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2012-08-14 15:30 +0000
Re: Losing my religion(?) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-14 13:46 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-14 12:32 -0700
Re: Losing my religion(?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-14 21:32 +0000
Re: Losing my religion(?) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-13 16:08 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2012-08-13 18:29 -0700
Re: Losing my religion(?) Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-13 23:32 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Rich Gray <devnull@nowhere.invalid> - 2012-08-14 23:01 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-15 03:14 +0000
Re: Losing my religion(?) Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2012-08-14 21:51 -0600
Re: Losing my religion(?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-15 07:52 +0000
Re: Losing my religion(?) Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2012-08-15 18:06 -0600
Re: Losing my religion(?) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-15 00:44 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Rich Gray <devnull@nowhere.invalid> - 2012-08-15 01:04 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2012-08-15 15:35 +0200
Re: Losing my religion(?) Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2012-08-15 10:45 -0700
Re: Losing my religion(?) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-15 13:59 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-15 23:38 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2012-08-16 06:11 +0200
Re: Losing my religion(?) Rich Gray <devnull@nowhere.invalid> - 2012-08-15 00:46 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-15 08:04 +0000
Re: Losing my religion(?) Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-15 09:24 -0700
Re: Losing my religion(?) Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2012-08-15 10:52 -0700
Re: Losing my religion(?) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-15 14:54 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2012-08-15 12:01 -0700
Re: Losing my religion(?) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-15 15:42 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2012-08-15 22:40 +0200
Re: Losing my religion(?) Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-15 23:43 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2012-08-16 09:56 +0200
Re: Losing my religion(?) Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-15 22:57 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-16 03:28 +0000
Re: Losing my religion(?) Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-15 23:01 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-16 03:29 +0000
Re: Losing my religion(?) Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-15 23:06 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2012-08-14 20:33 -0700
Re: Losing my religion(?) Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-15 22:50 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-15 22:27 -0700
Re: Losing my religion(?) Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-16 01:32 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-16 09:14 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-13 20:21 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-14 06:13 +0000
Re: Losing my religion(?) Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2012-08-14 03:56 -0600
Re: Losing my religion(?) Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2012-08-14 12:19 +0200
Re: Losing my religion(?) Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2012-08-14 14:37 -0600
Re: Losing my religion(?) Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-14 17:52 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-14 22:07 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-14 22:55 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2012-08-15 17:17 +0200
Re: Losing my religion(?) Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2012-08-15 17:15 +0200
Re: Losing my religion(?) Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2012-08-15 16:50 +0200
Re: Losing my religion(?) Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2012-08-15 18:15 -0600
Re: Losing my religion(?) Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-15 23:49 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-14 21:18 +0000
Re: Losing my religion(?) Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-14 22:08 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2012-08-15 15:45 +0200
Re: Losing my religion(?) Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2012-08-15 10:14 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2012-08-15 17:05 +0200
Re: Losing my religion(?) George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-15 10:26 -0500
Re: Losing my religion(?) Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-14 07:20 -0700
Re: Losing my religion(?) sbt <dogbreath@chaseabone.com.invalid> - 2012-08-14 08:51 -0700
Re: Losing my religion(?) Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-14 09:31 -0700
Re: Losing my religion(?) Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2012-08-14 10:09 -0700
Re: Losing my religion(?) Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2012-08-14 14:19 -0600
Re: Losing my religion(?) dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2012-08-15 12:36 +1200
Re: Losing my religion(?) Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2012-08-14 14:16 -0600
Re: Losing my religion(?) Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2012-08-14 08:58 -0700
Re: Losing my religion(?) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-14 13:39 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-14 14:43 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-14 14:54 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-14 13:19 -0700
Re: Losing my religion(?) Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2012-08-14 12:05 -0700
Re: Losing my religion(?) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-14 15:11 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-14 13:12 -0700
Re: Losing my religion(?) Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-14 22:17 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2012-08-16 18:08 +0200
Re: Losing my religion(?) Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-16 09:37 -0700
Re: Losing my religion(?) Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2012-08-16 18:49 +0200
Re: Losing my religion(?) Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2012-08-16 10:29 -0700
Re: Losing my religion(?) Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-17 16:52 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2012-08-17 16:19 -0700
Re: Losing my religion(?) Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2012-08-17 16:54 -0700
Re: Losing my religion(?) Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-17 20:13 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2012-08-17 18:09 -0700
Re: Losing my religion(?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-18 06:34 +0000
Re: Losing my religion(?) Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2012-08-18 18:40 +0200
Re: Losing my religion(?) Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-18 13:19 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> - 2012-08-18 14:46 -0500
Re: Losing my religion(?) Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-18 16:45 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> - 2012-08-18 15:59 -0500
Re: Losing my religion(?) Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-18 17:05 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2012-08-18 13:49 -0700
Re: Losing my religion(?) TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> - 2012-08-18 16:02 -0500
Re: Losing my religion(?) Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-18 19:09 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> - 2012-08-18 22:05 -0500
Re: Losing my religion(?) me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2012-08-19 05:25 +0000
Re: Losing my religion(?) Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2012-08-19 13:42 +0200
Re: Losing my religion(?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-19 03:39 +0000
Re: Losing my religion(?) Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-18 17:19 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2012-08-14 14:43 -0600
Re: Losing my religion(?) Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2012-08-14 14:41 -0600
Re: Losing my religion(?) me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2012-08-15 01:05 +0000
Re: Losing my religion(?) Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2012-08-15 08:02 -0700
Re: Losing my religion(?) me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2012-08-15 15:36 +0000
Re: Losing my religion(?) Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-15 23:53 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-16 04:27 +0000
Re: Losing my religion(?) me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2012-08-16 06:35 +0000
Re: Losing my religion(?) Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2012-08-16 09:26 +0200
Re: Losing my religion(?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-16 13:02 +0000
Re: Losing my religion(?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-16 12:57 +0000
Re: Losing my religion(?) me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2012-08-16 15:49 +0000
Re: Losing my religion(?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-17 04:57 +0000
Re: Losing my religion(?) Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2012-08-16 09:36 -0700
Re: Losing my religion(?) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-16 14:43 -0400
Auto-Save, Ask to save changes, etc (Re: Losing my religion(?)) Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2012-08-16 12:31 -0700
Re: Losing my religion(?) Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-16 20:21 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-16 03:49 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-14 12:54 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-14 13:53 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2012-08-14 14:28 -0600
Re: Losing my religion(?) Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2012-08-15 16:04 +0200
Re: Losing my religion(?) Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2012-08-14 14:26 -0600
Re: Losing my religion(?) Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-14 22:37 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2012-08-14 21:28 -0600
Re: Losing my religion(?) Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-14 22:22 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-14 21:10 +0000
Re: Losing my religion(?) Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2012-08-14 16:17 -0600
Re: Losing my religion(?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-15 02:06 +0000
Re: Losing my religion(?) Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2012-08-14 21:23 -0600
Re: Losing my religion(?) Jim Janney <jjanney@shell.xmission.com> - 2012-08-15 09:50 -0600
Re: Losing my religion(?) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-14 09:39 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-14 21:28 +0000
Re: Losing my religion(?) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-14 19:43 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2012-08-15 12:36 +1200
Re: Losing my religion(?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-15 02:04 +0000
Re: Losing my religion(?) dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2012-08-15 21:33 +1200
Re: Losing my religion(?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-15 20:31 +0000
Re: Losing my religion(?) dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2012-08-16 13:35 +1200
Re: Losing my religion(?) Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-14 22:31 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-14 22:28 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-14 07:16 -0700
Re: Losing my religion(?) Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2012-08-14 12:50 -0700
Re: Losing my religion(?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-14 21:29 +0000
Re: Losing my religion(?) Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2012-08-14 15:14 -0700
Re: Losing my religion(?) Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-14 17:52 -0700
Re: Losing my religion(?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-15 02:14 +0000
Re: Losing my religion(?) Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-14 19:36 -0700
Re: Losing my religion(?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-15 02:58 +0000
Re: Losing my religion(?) Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-14 21:23 -0700
Re: Losing my religion(?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-15 07:58 +0000
Re: Losing my religion(?) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-15 04:01 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-15 09:29 -0700
Re: Losing my religion(?) Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-14 22:34 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-14 13:41 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-14 22:03 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-15 02:44 +0000
Re: Losing my religion(?) Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2012-08-14 20:25 -0700
Re: Losing my religion(?) Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-16 00:03 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2012-08-15 16:13 +0200
Re: Losing my religion(?) Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-16 00:06 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2012-08-16 07:19 +0200
Re: Losing my religion(?) Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2012-08-14 03:49 -0600
Re: Losing my religion(?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-14 05:51 +0000
Re: Losing my religion(?) Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2012-08-14 11:10 +0200
Re: Losing my religion(?) Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2012-08-14 03:46 -0600
Re: Losing my religion(?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-14 21:30 +0000
Re: Losing my religion(?) Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2012-08-14 16:15 -0600
Re: Losing my religion(?) Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-13 08:03 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2012-08-13 08:54 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-13 14:15 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2012-08-13 09:22 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-13 13:25 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2012-08-13 15:06 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-13 20:38 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-13 20:53 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-13 21:47 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2012-08-14 11:01 +0200
Re: Losing my religion(?) Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-15 19:57 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-14 18:17 -0400
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| From | Davoud <star@sky.net> |
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| Date | 2012-08-18 19:09 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <180820121909275079%star@sky.net> |
| In reply to | #29688 |
TaliesinSoft: > My dock only contains the icons for the currently active applications > and their documents. I use either Spotlight or Finder's Recent Items to > launch applications. There will always be people who, for the best of reasons, like to get there the hard way. I used to rant and rave about how I hated the Dock, and I used DragThing instead. I haven't learned to love the Dock, but I'm accustomed to it now and I've stopped ranting about it. -- I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that you will say in your entire life. usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm
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| From | TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> |
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| Date | 2012-08-18 22:05 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <a9b3f3Fo82U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #29692 |
On 2012-08-18 23:09:27 +0000, Davoud said: > TaliesinSoft: >> My dock only contains the icons for the currently active applications >> and their documents. I use either Spotlight or Finder's Recent Items to >> launch applications. > > There will always be people who, for the best of reasons, like to get > there the hard way. That depends on just how "the hard way" is defined. Is it accuracy or is it speed. Friends of mine and I have compared "my way" versus the "traditional way" where applications are launched from the dock, and it has been just as likely for me to complete the launch first as it is for them. -- James Leo Ryan - Austin, Texas
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| From | me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) |
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| Date | 2012-08-19 05:25 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <k0ptbh$fmc$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #29692 |
Davoud <star@sky.net> wrote: > > My dock only contains the icons for the currently active applications > > and their documents. I use either Spotlight or Finder's Recent Items to > > launch applications. > > There will always be people who, for the best of reasons, like to get > there the hard way. Spotlight is hardly "The hard way". If your hands are already on the keyboard, it's almost always faster to launch an app with Spotlight, than to move your hand to the mouse/trackpad and move the pointer to its Dock icon. -- K. Lang may your lum reek.
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| From | Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2012-08-19 13:42 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <b207g9-df91.ln1@news1.chingola.ch> |
| In reply to | #29692 |
On Sat, 18 Aug 2012 19:09:27 -0400, Davoud wrote: > TaliesinSoft: >> My dock only contains the icons for the currently active applications >> and their documents. I use either Spotlight or Finder's Recent Items to >> launch applications. > > There will always be people who, for the best of reasons, like to get > there the hard way. > > I used to rant and rave about how I hated the Dock, and I used DragThing > instead. I haven't learned to love the Dock, but I'm accustomed to it > now and I've stopped ranting about it. OTOH I have always quite liked the Dock. I will qualify that by saying that I never used any Apple products before OS X. -- Paul Sture
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2012-08-19 03:39 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnk30nv3.tqo.g.kreme@mbp55.local> |
| In reply to | #29688 |
In message <a9ae7uFa8uU1@mid.individual.net> TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> wrote: > On 2012-08-18 20:49:10 +0000, Bread said: >> Actually, the visual notion of the dock itself - identifying apps by >> icon without text - is kind of halfassed anyway. At a glance, >> approximately half the icons on my dock just look like circles, some of >> them very similar in coloration, too (App Store, Safari, QuickTime, >> 1Password). Text might not be as pretty, but to me, especially since >> text can be easily sorted, it's much more practical. An option to >> replace the dock's icons with text, or to add names, and to always have >> it sorted alphabetically, would be pretty slick. > My dock only contains the icons for the currently active applications > and their documents. I use either Spotlight or Finder's Recent Items to > launch applications. Except that I use Launchbar, the same here. Anything in the dock is a running app. -- 'You make us want what we can't have and what you give us is worth nothing and what you take is everything and all there is left for us is the cold hillside, and emptiness, and the laughter of the elves.'
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| From | Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> |
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| Date | 2012-08-18 17:19 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <q62dnWniLJJlm63NnZ2dnUVZ_uKdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #29686 |
On 2012-08-18 16:49 , Bread wrote:
> On 2012-08-18 19:46:42 +0000, TaliesinSoft said:
>
>> On 2012-08-18 17:19:27 +0000, Alan Browne said:
>>
>>> While the 3-D dock may be hideous to you, to me it's fine and the 2-D
>>> dock is pretty damned ugly.
>>
>> 'Tis all in the mind of the beholder! I'm one who prefers simplicity
>> and in that regard I have used an applet, Docker, which allowed me to
>> place a 2-D dock in the bottom center of my screen. Docker also
>> allowed me to simplify the separator line between applications and
>> documents.
>
> Truth is that to me it's only mostly hideous. The rest of my distaste
> for the 3D dock is that it's a lot less obvious which apps are running
> (the little indicator is very much less visible in 3D mode). This was a
> bigger deal to me before I stripped nearly everything out of the dock
> except for the 5 or so apps that I use constantly. Anything else, if
> it's in the dock, it's running. Simple as that. But I still think the
> faux 3D thing is pretty damned ugly.
>
> Actually, the visual notion of the dock itself - identifying apps by
> icon without text - is kind of halfassed anyway. At a glance,
> approximately half the icons on my dock just look like circles, some of
> them very similar in coloration, too (App Store, Safari, QuickTime,
> 1Password). Text might not be as pretty, but to me, especially since
> text can be easily sorted, it's much more practical. An option to
> replace the dock's icons with text, or to add names, and to always have
> it sorted alphabetically, would be pretty slick.
Like you I organize my dock with the apps I launch or keep running most
often. (IOW: the cruft that OS X sets up with is gone). From there I
group them by sets. The 5 or so apps that are always on are on the
left, the apps I use most are next grouped by 'kind' (the three MS
Office apps are together for example), then to the right those I use
least (utilities). Within those sets I mix them so colors and shapes
are different from icon to icon.
I have 22 icons there + trash. On a 24" screen that means they are
sized to be pretty large and so are easy to distinguish from one another
even when some are quite similar at a quick glance (Thunderbird and
Google Earth for example are separated by Skype; iTunes lies far enough
away from Google Earth to not be confused, etc.).
The pale blue dot for running apps is inadequate. A more solid blue bar
under the app or even a bright blue background would be better.
(Or how about backgrounds:
clear: not launched
pale green: launching
green: running, okay
blue: shutting down (some (all?) apps show a 'shutting down'
black bar through the icon)
red: hung up - then triple click that to open activity monitor.)
Oops, where did simplicity go...?
--
"C'mon boys, you're not laying pipe!".
-John Keating.
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| From | Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> |
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| Date | 2012-08-14 14:43 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <howard-425A8B.14430114082012@news.giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #29417 |
In article <502a8d39$0$61503$c3e8da3$38634283@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote: > Bread wrote: > > > If you're going to mess with a file, duplicate it first. > > OK, so I wish to consult a file for reading and possibly copying parts > of it to another document. You are telling me that I now need to > duplicate it on the finder, then launch the copy, and once I am done, > remembder to delete that copy. > > > > Sorry, but that autosave is really stupid. It was done to cater to the > low end whom Apple thinks don't undertand the concept of saving. But in > doing so, it aleniates those who want control over their documents. Thankfully, Mountain Lion apparently allows the user to turn this off. -- May joy be yours all the days of your life! - Phina We are but a moment's sunlight, fading in the grass. - The Youngbloods Those who eat natural foods die of natural causes. - Kperspective
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| From | Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> |
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| Date | 2012-08-14 14:41 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <howard-CC5BAC.14411214082012@news.giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #29413 |
In article <k0dsj7$eea$1@reader1.panix.com>, Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> wrote: > If you're going to mess with a file, duplicate it first. Moreover, if > you haven't messed with it in a while, it automatically locks and you > cannot edit it without explicitly unlocking or choosing to duplicate. > Perhaps Auto-save should auto-lock by default. Perhaps it should auto-lock until you specifically tell it to start auto-saving, or auto-save should be an option you specifically select when you start working on something. Maybe. It's rough to have to design a one-size-fits-all function like that. > None of that is forced on you at all. I agree - full-screen is goofy and > I have no use for mission control, the launcher, or spaces. So I don't > use any of them. Unlike auto-save, they are not forced on you in any > way. Just ignore them. Remove them from the dock. Get over it. Don't get me started about the Dock. :-) > Huh? You can still scroll the way you always have - with one exception - > no more scroll arrows at the ends of the scroll bars. The rest of the > gestures are, like MC an FullScreen, entirely optional. Don't learn them > if you don't want. It used to be simple to three-finger to go to top and bottom. > So at the end of the day, all the whining about Lion (and ML) is over > auto-save and the loss of the arrows at the ends of the scroll bars. And performance hits, and the other things I mentioned. You can't just dismiss them and consider that over. > In exchange for those horrible things, we've gotten rid of all the > PowerPC cruft, improved lots of little things, paved the way for much > better security (much of which comes in ML, not Lion), and the OS > continues to grow and evolve. Sounds, overall, like a big win to me. For those who were using the PPC cruft, that's not an improvement. Not all software gets upgraded, often because the company involved no longer exists. > not the fault of Lion or ML. But it's annoying. Understood. -- May joy be yours all the days of your life! - Phina We are but a moment's sunlight, fading in the grass. - The Youngbloods Those who eat natural foods die of natural causes. - Kperspective
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| From | me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) |
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| Date | 2012-08-15 01:05 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <k0esk8$oum$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #29413 |
Bread <BreadWithSpam@fractious.net> wrote: > If you're going to mess with a file, duplicate it first. What if you're not going to mess with a file? What if you're only going to have a quick final read through before you fire it off to the printing company? And when closing the document before sending it off, it automatically saves, without telling you, the paragraph deletion that you didn't realize you did? A lot of good restoring a previous version does after you get your thousand copies back from the printer. I still want to be prompted of *any* changes before a doc is saved. -- K. Lang may your lum reek.
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| From | Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> |
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| Date | 2012-08-15 08:02 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <k0gdlu$f9j$1@reader1.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #29454 |
On 2012-08-15 01:05:12 +0000, Király said: > Bread <BreadWithSpam@fractious.net> wrote: >> If you're going to mess with a file, duplicate it first. > > What if you're not going to mess with a file? What if you're only going > to have a quick final read through before you fire it off to the > printing company? And when closing the document before sending it off, > it automatically saves, without telling you, the paragraph deletion > that you didn't realize you did? Lock the document. Then it won't save any changes because it won't let you make any changes (without either explicitly unlocking or duplicating). > > I still want to be prompted of *any* changes before a doc is saved. Which is why I think docs should get locked automatically a lot sooner than two weeks - even one day or possibly even every time you open a file. If it were every time you open a file, you'd never be able to edit any file until you explicitly said "okay" once. I could live with that, but I suspect it would annoy a lot of people. It would save some subset of them (those of us who do care about files not being changed unexpectedly), but it would probably annoy more.
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| From | me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) |
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| Date | 2012-08-15 15:36 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <k0gfm3$hju$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #29495 |
Bread <BreadWithSpam@fractious.net> wrote: > Lock the document. Then it won't save any changes because it won't let > you make any changes (without either explicitly unlocking or > duplicating). Ridiculous. Any doc I want to open for viewing only, must be locked manually first, to prevent any accidental changes from being autosaved without my knowledge. The original way was far superior, where I always knew what was going on at all times, and which has been largely restored in Mountain Lion; thank god. Except for Save As, which despite its heralded return, is broken. -- K. Lang may your lum reek.
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| From | Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> |
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| Date | 2012-08-15 23:53 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <k0hqrq$fkn$5@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #29495 |
On 08-15-2012 11:02, Bread wrote:
> On 2012-08-15 01:05:12 +0000, Király said:
>> What if you're not going to mess with a file? What if you're only going
>> to have a quick final read through before you fire it off to the
>> printing company? And when closing the document before sending it off,
>> it automatically saves, without telling you, the paragraph deletion
>> that you didn't realize you did?
>
> Lock the document. Then it won't save any changes because it won't let
> you make any changes (without either explicitly unlocking or duplicating).
So, Apple rolls out a new paradigm to protect people from forgetting to
save, and the result is they mustn't forget to lock to protect
themselves from unwanted saves.
--
Wes Groleau
Curmudgeon's Complaints on Courtesy:
http://www.onlinenetiquette.com/courtesy1.html
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2012-08-16 04:27 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnk2otkn.2j99.g.kreme@mbp55.local> |
| In reply to | #29549 |
In message <k0hqrq$fkn$5@dont-email.me> Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> wrote: > On 08-15-2012 11:02, Bread wrote: >> On 2012-08-15 01:05:12 +0000, Király said: >>> What if you're not going to mess with a file? What if you're only going >>> to have a quick final read through before you fire it off to the >>> printing company? And when closing the document before sending it off, >>> it automatically saves, without telling you, the paragraph deletion >>> that you didn't realize you did? >> >> Lock the document. Then it won't save any changes because it won't let >> you make any changes (without either explicitly unlocking or duplicating). > So, Apple rolls out a new paradigm to protect people from forgetting to > save, and the result is they mustn't forget to lock to protect > themselves from unwanted saves. Apple has rolled out a feature that benefits your average user who is writing school papers in Pages, or updating budget numbers in Numbers. For them, autosave is great. If you are editing httpd.conf in Textedit, then you are *not* the general average user who they made this feature for. -- According to the philosopher Ly Tin Weedle, chaos is found in greatest abundance wherever order is being sought. It always defeats order, because it is better organized.
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| From | me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) |
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| Date | 2012-08-16 06:35 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <k0i4bm$o4c$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #29556 |
Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: > Apple has rolled out a feature that benefits your average user who is > writing school papers in Pages, or updating budget numbers in Numbers. > For them, autosave is great. Even for them it can be a b!tch. Accidental changes are auto saved without notice. That's the thing about accidental changes; they're accidents, and you often don't notice them. You won't know to go back in the versions to undo the mistake, if you didn't know the mistake was made in the first place. Up until Lion, the dot in the red gumdrop told you if a document had been changed and unsaved - an immediate indicator of an accidental edit. If you didn't see the dot, you get an additional warning by way of the "do you want to save changes" dialog that pops up when you try to close what you thought was an unedited doc. Both of those things go away in Lion. Be honest. In 10.6 and earlier, how many times had you closed a doc that you swore you had only opened to read and not edit, only to be prompted with the "Do you want to save changes" message? It's happened to me many times, and the message allowed me to answer "no" to discard the inadvertent changes. Lion's auto save did away with those protections against accidental edits, and it was a major reason why 10.7 was the only OS X version that I ever skipped. -- K. Lang may your lum reek.
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| From | Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> |
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| Date | 2012-08-16 09:26 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <sujuf9-ev72.ln1@news1.chingola.ch> |
| In reply to | #29565 |
On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 06:35:35 +0000, Király wrote: > Be honest. In 10.6 and earlier, how many times had you closed a doc that > you swore you had only opened to read and not edit, only to be prompted > with the "Do you want to save changes" message? It's happened to me many > times, and the message allowed me to answer "no" to discard the > inadvertent changes. It happens regularly here. I also create new documents on a regular basis that I use as a scratchpad and want to throw away once done. The "Do you want to save?" message is a useful reminder to review and, usually but not always, discard those. -- Paul Sture
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2012-08-16 13:02 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnk2prrm.2qd5.g.kreme@mbp55.local> |
| In reply to | #29566 |
In message <sujuf9-ev72.ln1@news1.chingola.ch> Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> wrote: > On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 06:35:35 +0000, Király wrote: >> Be honest. In 10.6 and earlier, how many times had you closed a doc that >> you swore you had only opened to read and not edit, only to be prompted >> with the "Do you want to save changes" message? It's happened to me many >> times, and the message allowed me to answer "no" to discard the >> inadvertent changes. > It happens regularly here. > I also create new documents on a regular basis that I use as a scratchpad > and want to throw away once done. The "Do you want to save?" message is > a useful reminder to review and, usually but not always, discard those. When I open TextEdit one of the files that is open is an 'unsaved' document that I've been using for over a year as a scratchpad. It's always there and it has whatever the last thing I was working on, which is sometimes a useful reminder. I continue to dump new things into it and sometime I delete old things, but it's the same untitled document. I never save it *because I don't have to*. -- Of pleasures, those that occur most rarely give the most delight
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2012-08-16 12:57 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnk2pri1.2qd5.g.kreme@mbp55.local> |
| In reply to | #29565 |
In message <k0i4bm$o4c$1@dont-email.me> Király <me@home.spamsucks.ca> wrote: > Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: >> Apple has rolled out a feature that benefits your average user who is >> writing school papers in Pages, or updating budget numbers in Numbers. >> For them, autosave is great. > Even for them it can be a b!tch. Accidental changes are auto saved > without notice. That's the thing about accidental changes; they're > accidents, and you often don't notice them. You won't know to go back in > the versions to undo the mistake, if you didn't know the mistake was > made in the first place. Up until Lion, the dot in the red gumdrop told > you if a document had been changed and unsaved - an immediate indicator > of an accidental edit. If you didn't see the dot, you get an additional > warning by way of the "do you want to save changes" dialog that pops > up when you try to close what you thought was an unedited doc. > Both of those things go away in Lion. And the trade off is that you never lose data. My point is that is a *good* trade for almost everyone. -- Is it my imagination, or do buffalo wings taste like chicken?
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| From | me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) |
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| Date | 2012-08-16 15:49 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <k0j4qq$8g7$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #29570 |
Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: > And the trade off is that you never lose data. Didn't you understand my post? Unless you are aware of having made the mistake, you DO lose data. Sure the proper data is back in the versions somewhere, but how would one know to go looking there for the proper version, if one doesn't know a mistake was made? In any case, it's a moot point now, and a point that Apple understands, because they've returned as an option the prompt to save changes in 10.8. -- K. Lang may your lum reek.
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2012-08-17 04:57 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnk2rjpp.2tek.g.kreme@mbp55.local> |
| In reply to | #29574 |
In message <k0j4qq$8g7$1@dont-email.me> Király <me@home.spamsucks.ca> wrote: > Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: >> And the trade off is that you never lose data. > Didn't you understand my post? Unless you are aware of having made the > mistake, you DO lose data. Sure the proper data is back in the versions > somewhere, but how would one know to go looking there for the proper > version, if one doesn't know a mistake was made? You have a strange definition of 'lose'. -- I've got Mathematica 2.2 on my Quadra
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| From | Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> |
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| Date | 2012-08-16 09:36 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <k0j7is$9dm$1@reader1.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #29570 |
On 2012-08-16 12:57:37 +0000, Lewis said: [Autosave and Versions automatically saving changes that one might not have wanted saved] > > And the trade off is that you never lose data. My point is that is a > *good* trade for almost everyone. That would be great if it were really the case. And I say this as someone who *likes* autosave and versions and wants them to be great rather than just an early and incomplete release. You *can* and *do* lose data. (a) a changed file is, by definition, the loss of the previous state of the file - lost data; (b) being able to recover the file by going out of your way through Versions is not the same as not losing the data in the first place. Data lost which you have to go looking for to re-find is not the same as data that wasn't lost in the first place; (c) unless you are paying careful attention, you may not even know that you've lost the data so you won't know to go looking for it again; (d) have you looked through a versions history? It's just not always that easy, especially with a large document, to find just the one you were looking for; and perhaps worst of all (e) if you move the file to another filesystem, you lose the entire versions history. (e) may be the worst of all because if you lose the versions history, even if you noticed the changes and wanted to dig up the version you really meant to keep, it may not be there anymore. Honest-to-goodness data loss, rather than just "recoverable" data loss. I strongly believe the solution is much more aggressive file locking. Mountain Lion's (optional) solution is at least a vast improvement over Lion - even though the default setting is, in my opinion, the wrong one. At least now, Mountain Lion offers users a checkbox in Preferences->General to "Ask to keep changes when closing documents". That should *always* be the default and allow people to uncheck it if they like, but at least the option is available now. Like turning on always-visible scrollbars, checking this box will be one of the things I do immediately upon setting up a new account or machine now.
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