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  Has your credit card number been compromised? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-04-11 08:28 -0700
    Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2012-04-11 14:34 -0400
    Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-04-11 17:08 -0400
      Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-04-11 15:20 -0700
        Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-04-11 20:04 -0400
          Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-04-11 17:26 -0700
        Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? "Geoffrey S. Mendelson" <gsm@mendelson.com> - 2012-04-12 07:14 +0000
      Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2012-04-11 15:24 -0700
    Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-04-11 20:53 -0400
      Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? "Thomas R. Kettler" <tkettler@blownfuse.net> - 2012-04-11 22:43 -0400
        Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-04-11 23:17 -0400
          Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-04-11 23:24 -0400
            Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-04-12 14:22 -0400
              Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-04-12 17:28 -0400
                Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2012-04-13 07:43 +1000
                  Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-04-12 19:27 -0400
                    Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2012-04-13 10:20 +1000
                Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-04-12 19:23 -0400
                  Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-04-12 21:25 -0400
                    Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2012-04-13 04:30 -0400
                    Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2012-04-14 00:05 +0000
                      Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? News <News@Group.Posts> - 2012-04-14 10:08 -0400
                        Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2012-04-15 19:43 +0000
              Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-04-12 17:30 -0400
                Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-04-12 19:24 -0400
                Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Wayne Marsh <waynegmarsh@mac.com> - 2012-04-22 13:17 -0500
                  Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Chris Blunt <mail@nospam.com> - 2012-04-23 10:16 +0800
                    Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? *Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@hotmail.com> - 2012-04-22 22:52 -0400
                      Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2012-04-23 08:25 -0500
                        Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-04-23 07:29 -0700
                    Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-04-23 00:19 -0400
                      Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-04-23 09:08 -0400
                        Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2012-04-23 08:30 -0500
                      Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2012-04-23 08:28 -0500
                    Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? HelpfulHarry@BusyWorking.com (Helpful Harry) - 2012-04-23 18:36 +1200
                      Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2012-04-23 07:57 -0400
                        Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? HelpfulHarry@BusyWorking.com (Helpful Harry) - 2012-04-24 09:13 +1200
                          Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-04-23 14:33 -0700
                        Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Chris Blunt <mail@nospam.com> - 2012-04-24 10:26 +0800
                          Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-04-23 20:03 -0700
                            Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? DevilsPGD <boogabooga@crazyhat.net> - 2012-04-23 21:25 -0600
                              Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? HelpfulHarry@BusyWorking.com (Helpful Harry) - 2012-04-24 16:21 +1200
                                Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? DevilsPGD <boogabooga@crazyhat.net> - 2012-04-23 22:50 -0600
                                  Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? HelpfulHarry@BusyWorking.com (Helpful Harry) - 2012-04-24 18:19 +1200
                            Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2012-04-24 07:25 -0400
                              Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> - 2012-04-24 14:07 +0200
                                Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-04-26 19:02 -0400
                                  Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? "Geoffrey S. Mendelson" <gsm@mendelson.com> - 2012-04-27 06:44 +0000
                                    Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> - 2012-04-27 14:15 +0200
                                      Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-04-27 21:55 -0400
                                        Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> - 2012-04-28 12:44 +0200
                                    Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2012-04-27 08:56 -0400
                                      Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-04-27 21:58 -0400
                                        Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? russotto@grace.speakeasy.net (Matthew Russotto) - 2012-05-08 03:27 +0000
                                    Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-04-27 16:44 -0400
                                    Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-04-27 21:52 -0400
                                      Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> - 2012-04-28 12:51 +0200
                                        Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? HelpfulHarry@BusyWorking.com (Helpful Harry) - 2012-04-29 10:02 +1200
                                          Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-04-28 18:24 -0400
                                      Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2012-04-28 07:35 -0400
                                        Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-04-28 10:55 -0400
                                        Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-04-28 13:28 -0400
                                      Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? "Geoffrey S. Mendelson" <gsm@mendelson.com> - 2012-04-28 17:49 +0000
                                        Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-04-28 14:22 -0400
                                          Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? "Geoffrey S. Mendelson" <gsm@mendelson.com> - 2012-04-28 18:29 +0000
                                            Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? "Geoffrey S. Mendelson" <gsm@mendelson.com> - 2012-04-28 18:44 +0000
                                              Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-04-28 14:46 -0400
                                          Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> - 2012-04-28 22:37 +0200
                                            Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? HelpfulHarry@BusyWorking.com (Helpful Harry) - 2012-04-29 10:04 +1200
                                            Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-04-28 15:35 -0700
                          Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> - 2012-04-23 22:12 -0500
                          Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-04-23 23:42 -0400
                            Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2012-04-24 07:29 -0400
                              Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-04-24 18:30 -0400
                            Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-04-25 17:33 -0400
                      Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-04-23 07:28 -0700
                        Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? HelpfulHarry@BusyWorking.com (Helpful Harry) - 2012-04-24 09:17 +1200
                          Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-04-23 14:37 -0700
                            Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? HelpfulHarry@BusyWorking.com (Helpful Harry) - 2012-04-24 13:33 +1200
                              Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-04-23 23:28 -0400
                                Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-04-23 20:37 -0700
                                Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? DevilsPGD <boogabooga@crazyhat.net> - 2012-04-23 22:50 -0600
                                  Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? HelpfulHarry@BusyWorking.com (Helpful Harry) - 2012-04-24 18:21 +1200
                                    Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-04-24 00:07 -0700
                                Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> - 2012-04-24 10:53 +0200
                      Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2012-04-23 16:30 +0000
                        Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2012-04-23 13:09 -0400
                          Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-04-23 11:03 -0700
                          Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2012-04-23 21:06 +0000
                      Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? DevilsPGD <boogabooga@crazyhat.net> - 2012-04-23 20:28 -0600
                        Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? HelpfulHarry@BusyWorking.com (Helpful Harry) - 2012-04-24 16:16 +1200
                          Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? DevilsPGD <boogabooga@crazyhat.net> - 2012-04-23 22:50 -0600
                            Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? HelpfulHarry@BusyWorking.com (Helpful Harry) - 2012-04-24 18:27 +1200
                              Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2012-04-24 02:35 -0400
                                Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? HelpfulHarry@BusyWorking.com (Helpful Harry) - 2012-04-24 19:21 +1200
                      Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> - 2012-04-24 10:37 +0200
          Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2012-04-12 08:30 -0400
            Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-04-12 14:33 -0400
              Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Zaidy036 <Zaidy036@isp.spam> - 2012-04-12 23:02 -0400
                Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? HelpfulHarry@BusyWorking.com (Helpful Harry) - 2012-04-13 18:19 +1200
                Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-04-13 15:41 -0400
            Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2012-04-12 14:17 -0500
              Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2012-04-12 15:59 -0400
                Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-04-12 19:25 -0400
                Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2012-04-14 01:18 -0500
            Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2012-04-14 00:14 +0000
              Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Chris Blunt <mail@nospam.com> - 2012-04-14 11:38 +0800
                Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2012-04-14 16:13 +0000
                  Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Chris Blunt <mail@nospam.com> - 2012-04-16 15:32 +0800
          Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-04-13 19:00 -0400
            Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? News <News@Group.Posts> - 2012-04-14 10:09 -0400
        Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-04-12 00:13 -0400
        Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-04-12 14:20 -0400
      Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? "Geoffrey S. Mendelson" <gsm@mendelson.com> - 2012-04-12 07:19 +0000
        Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-04-12 06:12 -0400
          Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? "Geoffrey S. Mendelson" <gsm@mendelson.com> - 2012-04-12 11:04 +0000
            Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-04-12 09:19 -0400
            Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> - 2012-04-15 18:31 +0200
              Re: Has your credit card number been compromised? "Geoffrey S. Mendelson" <gsm@mendelson.com> - 2012-04-15 17:24 +0000

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#24296

In the last episode of <230420122003359458%nospam@nospam.invalid>,
nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> said:

>it's always the same po box & city, which means it's not hard to know
>what to look for.

And? There's just no real option, you have to get cards to people.

Since most cards are moderately useless to a thief until/unless they're
activated (either by using the PIN, or calling the company), the risks
are simply lower than the cost of using a more secure delivery method.

-- 
This signature was randomly selected

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#24302

In article <2v6cp75gclb7gmud6qtuehfatkr3f39ivh@4ax.com>, DevilsPGD
<boogabooga@crazyhat.net> wrote:
> In the last episode of <230420122003359458%nospam@nospam.invalid>,
> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> said:
> 
> >it's always the same po box & city, which means it's not hard to know
> >what to look for.
> 
> And? There's just no real option, you have to get cards to people.

Have people pick them up and activate them at a branch is the obvious
answer (except of course a bank emplyee can just as easily be a criminal).

Use a strange new invention I heard someone call "cash", not quite sure
what that is though.  ;o)



> Since most cards are moderately useless to a thief until/unless they're
> activated (either by using the PIN, or calling the company), the risks
> are simply lower than the cost of using a more secure delivery method.

PIN numbers are more usual these days, biu it wasn't that long ago that
cards only had a signature on the back, so someone stealing a replacement
card simply signed it however they want and then goes on a spending spree.

Helpful Harry  :o)

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#24305

In the last episode of
<HelpfulHarry-2404121621430001@203-118-187-202.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz>,
HelpfulHarry@BusyWorking.com (Helpful Harry) said:

>In article <2v6cp75gclb7gmud6qtuehfatkr3f39ivh@4ax.com>, DevilsPGD
><boogabooga@crazyhat.net> wrote:
>> In the last episode of <230420122003359458%nospam@nospam.invalid>,
>> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> said:
>> 
>> >it's always the same po box & city, which means it's not hard to know
>> >what to look for.
>> 
>> And? There's just no real option, you have to get cards to people.
>
>Have people pick them up and activate them at a branch is the obvious
>answer (except of course a bank emplyee can just as easily be a criminal).

There's a fairly significant amount of manpower required, and this
assumes that there is a branch nearby at all. This still offers little
security beyond requiring the recipient to activate the card without
providing significant inconvenience since cards often need to be
replaced due to the loss/theft of a wallet, and therefore you cannot
expect people to be able to present identification.

>> Since most cards are moderately useless to a thief until/unless they're
>> activated (either by using the PIN, or calling the company), the risks
>> are simply lower than the cost of using a more secure delivery method.
>
>PIN numbers are more usual these days, biu it wasn't that long ago that
>cards only had a signature on the back, so someone stealing a replacement
>card simply signed it however they want and then goes on a spending spree.

While this was possible way in the past, real-time card validation has
been in place for some time now. Merchants that fail to perform a
real-time authorization or validation get what you'd expect.

-- 
This signature was randomly selected

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#24308

In article <j3bcp7d2bru8keie7lgj8dd6f60sf5inas@4ax.com>, DevilsPGD
<boogabooga@crazyhat.net> wrote:
> In the last episode of
> <HelpfulHarry-2404121621430001@203-118-187-202.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz>,
> HelpfulHarry@BusyWorking.com (Helpful Harry) said:
> >In article <2v6cp75gclb7gmud6qtuehfatkr3f39ivh@4ax.com>, DevilsPGD
> ><boogabooga@crazyhat.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> Since most cards are moderately useless to a thief until/unless they're
> >> activated (either by using the PIN, or calling the company), the risks
> >> are simply lower than the cost of using a more secure delivery method.
> >
> >PIN numbers are more usual these days, biu it wasn't that long ago that
> >cards only had a signature on the back, so someone stealing a replacement
> >card simply signed it however they want and then goes on a spending spree.
> 
> While this was possible way in the past, real-time card validation has
> been in place for some time now. Merchants that fail to perform a
> real-time authorization or validation get what you'd expect.

It's not that far in the past. My current card (I can't remember how often
they are replaced, I think every two years) is my first one with a chip
and a PIN number. The previous cards were signature only.


By coincedence, in today's post I got a letter from my bank saying they
are introducing a new security system for Internet purchases - apparently:
" you could be asked three extra questions to prove your identity before
you can complete your online purchase". That should take all of 60 seconds
for the hackers to get around while providing an added inconvenience /
complication for the users and merchants.   :o\

Helpful Harry  :o)

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#24320

In article <230420122003359458%nospam@nospam.invalid>,
 nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> it's always the same po box & city, which means it's not hard to know
> what to look for.

And there's a stiff thing inside, about the size of, I dunno, a driver's 
license or (holy cow!) a credit card.

It does have to be "activated" though. I forget what questions they ask. 
They want your 'phone number and address, of course, but I don't 
remember being asked for date-of-birth. They certainly don't have any of 
those security questions. Witopia have stuff like "what was your 
maternal grandmother's maiden name?" which bemused me because I only 
found that out in the last few years, and then on the Internet, and then 
only because the British registries are open to the public (going back 
to 1832, methinks). My background isn't a tightly knit as y'all's.

They also had "what was your grandfather's occupation?" which I liked, 
because both my grandfathers had obscure occupations (they stole sheep).
-- 

... do not cover a warm kettle or your stock may sour. -- Julia Child

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#24389

On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 07:25:49 -0400, Warren Oates wrote:

> In article <230420122003359458%nospam@nospam.invalid>,
>  nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> it's always the same po box & city, which means it's not hard to know
>> what to look for.
> 
> And there's a stiff thing inside, about the size of, I dunno, a driver's
> license or (holy cow!) a credit card.
> 
> It does have to be "activated" though. I forget what questions they ask.
> They want your 'phone number and address, of course, but I don't
> remember being asked for date-of-birth. They certainly don't have any of
> those security questions. Witopia have stuff like "what was your
> maternal grandmother's maiden name?" which bemused me because I only
> found that out in the last few years, and then on the Internet, and then
> only because the British registries are open to the public (going back
> to 1832, methinks). My background isn't a tightly knit as y'all's.

I do know my grandmother's maiden name, but I suppose only because she 
had an unmarried sister.

> They also had "what was your grandfather's occupation?" which I liked,
> because both my grandfathers had obscure occupations (they stole sheep).

My paternal grandfather did all sorts, so I am not sure what one would 
answer.

I never met my maternal grandfather and don't actually know what his 
occupation was.  "Worked for such and such an employer" is about all I 
know, and that could mean anything.

-- 
Paul Sture

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#24432

On 04-24-2012 08:07, Paul Sture wrote:
> I do know my grandmother's maiden name, but I suppose only because she
> had an unmarried sister.

Some of us may not know our grandmother's maiden name, but most of us 
have a relative posting genealogical information online.

-- 
Wes Groleau

    Curmudgeon's Complaints on Courtesy:
    http://www.onlinenetiquette.com/courtesy1.html

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#24441

Wes Groleau wrote:
>
> Some of us may not know our grandmother's maiden name, but most of us 
> have a relative posting genealogical information online.
>

It's worse than that. The Church of the Later Day Saints, aka the
Mormons, believe that if you go to heaven then your family will surround
you there. If you ancestors were members of the church, they will be
there too.

In order to bring your family back together in heaven when you join the
church they will retroactivley baptise your family members and
ancestors. In order to accomplish this they have compiled the largest
database of ancestors in the world.

When my mother died, I needed some information about her parents, and a
friend went to their website and found the date of birth, date of death,
location of birth and so on for her and her parents, although none of
them nor I are members of the LDS (or even Christian) and they were not
born in the US.

Even Bill Gates was hacked, someone did an online search (and published
the results) for his mother's maiden name.

Geoff.

-- 
Geoffrey S. Mendelson,  N3OWJ/4X1GM/KBUH7245/KBUW5379
In 1969 the US could put a man on the moon, now teenagers just howl at it. :-(

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#24448

On Fri, 27 Apr 2012 06:44:04 +0000, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote:

> Wes Groleau wrote:
>>
>> Some of us may not know our grandmother's maiden name, but most of us
>> have a relative posting genealogical information online.
>>
>>
> It's worse than that. The Church of the Later Day Saints, aka the
> Mormons, believe that if you go to heaven then your family will surround
> you there. If you ancestors were members of the church, they will be
> there too.

While I'd be interested to meet the fellow who made a lot of money on the 
black market  (snigger) in an unspecified war, that sounds like hell to 
me.

> In order to bring your family back together in heaven when you join the
> church they will retroactivley baptise your family members and
> ancestors. In order to accomplish this they have compiled the largest
> database of ancestors in the world.

So I'm not safe when I'm dead?  Shudder!

> When my mother died, I needed some information about her parents, and a
> friend went to their website and found the date of birth, date of death,
> location of birth and so on for her and her parents, although none of
> them nor I are members of the LDS (or even Christian) and they were not
> born in the US.

I can believe that.

> Even Bill Gates was hacked, someone did an online search (and published
> the results) for his mother's maiden name.


-- 
Paul Sture

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#24475

On 04-27-2012 08:15, Paul Sture wrote:
> On Fri, 27 Apr 2012 06:44:04 +0000, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote:
>> In order to bring your family back together in heaven when you join the
>> church [Mormons] will retroactivley baptise your family members and
>> ancestors. In order to accomplish this they have compiled the largest
>> database of ancestors in the world.
>
> So I'm not safe when I'm dead?  Shudder!

Not if you have Mormon children or grandchildren.
Actually though, think of it this way: If it turns out they are correct, 
presumably you would be glad.  And if they are wrong, then their little 
rituals will have no affect on you at all.

-- 
Wes Groleau

   “In the field of language teaching, Method A is the logical
    contradiction of Method B: if the assumptions from which
    A claims to be derived are correct, then B cannot work,
    and vice versa.  Yet one colleague is getting excellent
    results with A and another is getting comparable results
    with B.  How is this possible?”
                                       — Earl W. Stevick

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#24484

On Fri, 27 Apr 2012 21:55:13 -0400, Wes Groleau wrote:

> On 04-27-2012 08:15, Paul Sture wrote:
>> On Fri, 27 Apr 2012 06:44:04 +0000, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote:
>>> In order to bring your family back together in heaven when you join
>>> the church [Mormons] will retroactivley baptise your family members
>>> and ancestors. In order to accomplish this they have compiled the
>>> largest database of ancestors in the world.
>>
>> So I'm not safe when I'm dead?  Shudder!
> 
> Not if you have Mormon children or grandchildren. Actually though, think
> of it this way: If it turns out they are correct, presumably you would
> be glad.  And if they are wrong, then their little rituals will have no
> affect on you at all.

It's the bit about being reunited with my grandparents generation which 
worries me.  They could be rather overbearing at times ;-)



-- 
Paul Sture

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#24450

In article <slrnjpkfrf.dba.gsm@cable.mendelson.com>,
 "Geoffrey S. Mendelson" <gsm@mendelson.com> wrote:

> It's worse than that. The Church of the Later Day Saints, aka the
> Mormons, believe that if you go to heaven then your family will surround
> you there. If you ancestors were members of the church, they will be
> there too.
> 
> In order to bring your family back together in heaven when you join the
> church they will retroactivley baptise your family members and
> ancestors. In order to accomplish this they have compiled the largest
> database of ancestors in the world.
> 
> When my mother died, I needed some information about her parents, and a
> friend went to their website and found the date of birth, date of death,
> location of birth and so on for her and her parents, although none of
> them nor I are members of the LDS (or even Christian) and they were not
> born in the US.

So, if this Romney idjit becomes your next US president, will everyone's 
dead ancestors have to be baptized in the Mormonic church?
-- 

... do not cover a warm kettle or your stock may sour. -- Julia Child

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#24477

On 04-27-2012 08:56, Warren Oates wrote:
> So, if this Romney idjit becomes your next US president, will everyone's
> dead ancestors have to be baptized in the Mormonic church?

No.  Even if he wanted that, Congress would never pass it.  And if they 
did, the Supreme Court would veto it as soon as it comes before them.

Besides, he doesn't care if you go to hell; he just want to make sure 
_his_ ancestors are happy.  Of course, some of them might be your 
ancestors, too.

-- 
Wes Groleau

   The man who says, “I can do it!" may sometimes fail.
   The man who says, “Impossible!" will never succeed.

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#24971

In article <jnfis2$i90$1@dont-email.me>, Wes Groleau  <none.of@your.biz> wrote:
>On 04-27-2012 08:56, Warren Oates wrote:
>
>Besides, he doesn't care if you go to hell; he just want to make sure 
>_his_ ancestors are happy.  Of course, some of them might be your 
>ancestors, too.

Think he might be tempted to do a little "selective editing" to keep
the peace in the afterlife?
-- 
The problem with socialism is there's always 
someone with less ability and more need.

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#24462

On 2012-04-27 02:44 , Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote:
> Wes Groleau wrote:
>>
>> Some of us may not know our grandmother's maiden name, but most of us
>> have a relative posting genealogical information online.
>>
>
> It's worse than that. The Church of the Later Day Saints, aka the
> Mormons, believe that if you go to heaven then your family will surround
> you there. If you ancestors were members of the church, they will be
> there too.
>
> In order to bring your family back together in heaven when you join the
> church they will retroactivley baptise your family members and
> ancestors. In order to accomplish this they have compiled the largest
> database of ancestors in the world.
>
> When my mother died, I needed some information about her parents, and a
> friend went to their website and found the date of birth, date of death,
> location of birth and so on for her and her parents, although none of
> them nor I are members of the LDS (or even Christian) and they were not
> born in the US.
>
> Even Bill Gates was hacked, someone did an online search (and published
> the results) for his mother's maiden name.

No need to hack anything.  You can do searches there if you have enough 
information.  Guessing at birth years, looking up ancestor names first 
gets you close fast.

The Mormon database is a genealogists favored resource.  I don't believe 
their motive is to postmortem baptize everyone in there though they have 
done so in prominent cases without familial consent.

IAC - what Mormons do in their bizarre backroom rituals is really of no 
import to anyone living or dead.


-- 
"I was gratified to be able to answer promptly, and I did.
  I said I didn't know."
                           -Samuel Clemens.

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#24474

On 04-27-2012 02:44, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote:
> It's worse than that. The Church of the Later Day Saints, aka the
> Mormons, believe that if you go to heaven then your family will surround
> you there. If you ancestors were members of the church, they will be
> there too.
>
> In order to bring your family back together in heaven when you join the
> church they will retroactivley baptise your family members and
> ancestors. In order to accomplish this they have compiled the largest
> database of ancestors in the world.
>
> When my mother died, I needed some information about her parents, and a
> friend went to their website and found the date of birth, date of death,
> location of birth and so on for her and her parents, although none of
> them nor I are members of the LDS (or even Christian) and they were not
> born in the US.

However, the Mormons, unlike a huge number of amateurs, are very 
religious, no pun intended, about NOT publishing any info on living persons.

But they are unfortunately not as religious about accuracy.  So anything 
you get from them needs corroboration from primary sources.

I downloaded a genealogy from them that showed one of my earliest 
immigrant ancestors with an estimated birth of 1655 but made him the son 
of a woman known to have died childless in 1642.

Another one (or possibly the same one) traced one of my ancestors
all the way back to Adam and Eve, with numerous kings and heroes along 
the way, including Beowulf.

-- 
Wes Groleau

   Pat's Polemics
   http://Ideas.Lang-Learn.us/barrett

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#24485

On Fri, 27 Apr 2012 21:52:48 -0400, Wes Groleau wrote:

> Another one (or possibly the same one) traced one of my ancestors all
> the way back to Adam and Eve, with numerous kings and heroes along the
> way, including Beowulf.

It can be an interesting subject.  A friend I knew in the late 1970s had 
taken a year out to help someone prove that he was entitled to become one 
of the Knights of Malta.  I can't remember what the outcome was, but my 
friend had a fascinating year doing the research.

-- 
Paul Sture

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#24535

On Fri, 27 Apr 2012 21:52:48 -0400, Wes Groleau wrote:
> 
> Another one (or possibly the same one) traced one of my ancestors all
> the way back to Adam and Eve, with numerous kings and heroes along the
> way, including Beowulf.

EVERYONE on the planet is (supposedly) related to people from relatively
recent past. There was a DNA study done a while back that proved everyone
alive in England today, non-immigrants of course, is related to one past
English King (from memory the king which history says tried to stop the
tide coming in).

Helpful Harry  :o)

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#24538

On 2012-04-28 18:02 , Helpful Harry wrote:
> On Fri, 27 Apr 2012 21:52:48 -0400, Wes Groleau wrote:
>>
>> Another one (or possibly the same one) traced one of my ancestors all
>> the way back to Adam and Eve, with numerous kings and heroes along the
>> way, including Beowulf.
>
> EVERYONE on the planet is (supposedly) related to people from relatively
> recent past. There was a DNA study done a while back that proved everyone
> alive in England today, non-immigrants of course, is related to one past
> English King (from memory the king which history says tried to stop the
> tide coming in).
>

There's a geneaology program on PBS Sunday evenings (US) where well 
known people have their past delved into and their DNA analyzed.  They 
are presented with the results to their surprise and delight.  The 
preview for this Sunday's edition shows Connie Rice being shown an 
ethnicity breakdown indicating that she is 40% white.

Fun stuff.  Just don't have time to watch it.

-- 
"I was gratified to be able to answer promptly, and I did.
  I said I didn't know."
                           -Samuel Clemens.

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#24487

In article <jnfihh$h3l$1@dont-email.me>,
 Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> wrote:

> Another one (or possibly the same one) traced one of my ancestors
> all the way back to Adam and Eve, with numerous kings and heroes along 
> the way, including Beowulf.

See, now that's just silly. It makes the whole thing look silly, too, 
which of course, in general, it's not.

I have to beget-ing along now.
-- 

... do not cover a warm kettle or your stock may sour. -- Julia Child

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