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| Started by | JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> |
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| First post | 2020-06-27 16:49 -0400 |
| Last post | 2020-07-04 20:31 +0000 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 519 — 32 participants |
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Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-06-27 16:49 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-06-27 17:07 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-06-27 22:33 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-06-28 02:45 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-06-27 17:19 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-06-27 17:48 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-06-27 17:53 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-06-27 22:35 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-01 15:09 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-01 11:02 -0700
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2020-06-27 18:02 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-06-27 22:36 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2020-06-28 06:22 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-06-28 16:26 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-03 03:51 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-02 20:58 -0700
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-07-03 02:31 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-03 11:19 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-03 08:29 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-04 04:06 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-03 21:13 -0700
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2020-07-04 01:56 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-04 00:02 -0700
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2020-07-04 03:49 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-04 01:13 -0700
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-07-04 12:50 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-04 16:24 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-04 09:41 -0700
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2020-07-04 14:01 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-04 14:07 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-04 18:35 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2020-07-04 15:16 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-07-04 17:08 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2020-07-04 07:23 -0700
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-04 11:03 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-04 16:08 +0000
Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-04 09:16 -0700
Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2020-07-04 15:19 -0400
Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-04 19:36 +0000
Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-04 21:07 +0000
Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-04 14:11 -0700
Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-07-05 03:18 +0000
Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-05 04:02 +0000
Arlen is utterly unmoved by facts Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-04 21:48 -0700
Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-04 15:47 -0400
Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-04 14:07 -0700
Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-04 17:12 -0400
Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-04 14:15 -0700
Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-04 17:22 -0400
Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Rene Lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca> - 2020-07-04 16:25 -0500
Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-04 14:41 -0700
Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-04 21:45 +0000
Arlen makes yet another explicit claim... (wasRe: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs You know who! <no@body.net> - 2020-07-04 14:49 -0700
Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-07-05 03:14 +0000
Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2020-07-09 18:34 -0700
Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-09 21:52 -0400
Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-10 02:56 +0000
Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-09 20:38 -0700
Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2020-07-11 15:24 +1200
Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-10 23:35 -0400
Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-11 04:24 +0000
Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-11 04:36 +0000
Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-11 10:40 -0700
Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2020-07-12 12:55 +1200
Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-12 01:10 +0000
Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-11 22:36 -0400
Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-12 04:17 +0000
Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2020-07-13 16:16 +1200
Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-13 05:43 +0000
Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2020-07-13 21:55 +1200
Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs delvon daily <delvondaily@example.com> - 2020-07-13 14:37 -0700
OT: Why must Arlen nymshift? (was Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-13 15:13 -0700
Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2020-07-14 16:07 +1200
Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-14 01:22 -0400
Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2020-07-14 21:12 +1200
Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-14 19:27 -0400
Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2020-07-15 11:59 +1200
Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-14 22:54 -0400
Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2020-07-16 16:37 +1200
Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-16 18:10 -0400
Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2020-07-17 13:29 +1200
Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-16 21:45 -0400
Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2020-07-18 22:14 +1200
Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-18 11:50 -0400
Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2020-07-19 16:07 +1200
Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-19 08:17 -0400
Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2020-07-19 14:34 +0200
Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2020-07-20 16:49 +1200
Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-21 11:31 -0400
Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2020-07-22 12:47 +1200
Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-21 21:02 -0400
Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-07-17 06:41 +0000
Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2020-07-18 22:15 +1200
Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-18 11:50 -0400
Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2020-07-19 16:11 +1200
Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-19 08:17 -0400
Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2020-07-20 16:51 +1200
Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-21 11:31 -0400
Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2020-07-18 07:18 -0700
Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-18 11:50 -0400
Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2020-07-18 21:47 +0200
Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-11 04:51 +0000
Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs John Michael <tonymayo43@gmail.com> - 2020-07-11 01:30 -0400
Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-11 05:55 +0000
Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-11 05:59 +0000
Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-14 10:11 +0000
Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-15 17:14 +0000
Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: xxxxx is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2020-07-18 08:37 -0700
Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: xxxxx is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-07-18 18:31 +0000
Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: xxxxx is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-18 21:01 +0000
Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: xxxxx is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-18 20:54 +0000
Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2020-07-10 15:21 +1200
Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-09 20:30 -0700
Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-09 23:36 -0400
Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-09 20:42 -0700
Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2020-07-10 15:44 +1200
Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-10 04:18 +0000
Arlen is a liar. Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs For a friend <notyou@yes.yes> - 2020-07-09 21:35 -0700
Re: Arlen is a liar. Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2020-07-10 01:04 -0400
Re: Arlen is a liar. Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-09 22:06 -0700
Re: Arlen is a liar. Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2020-07-10 01:27 -0400
Re: Arlen is a liar. Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-09 23:13 -0700
Re: Arlen is a liar. Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-10 14:20 +0000
Re: Arlen is a liar. Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-10 10:09 -0700
Re: Arlen is a liar. Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2020-07-11 15:18 +1200
Re: Arlen is a liar. Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-11 05:00 +0000
Re: Arlen is a liar. Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-10 22:34 -0700
Re: Arlen is a liar. Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2020-07-12 12:54 +1200
Re: Arlen is a liar. Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-07-12 04:22 +0000
Re: Arlen is a liar. Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-12 06:07 +0000
Re: Arlen is a liar. Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2020-07-10 18:47 +1200
Re: Arlen is a liar. Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-10 14:27 +0000
Re: Arlen is a liar. Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-10 14:13 +0000
Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-09 23:36 -0400
Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2020-07-05 10:09 +1200
Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-04 15:10 -0700
Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-04 23:29 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-07-04 16:56 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-04 21:36 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2020-07-05 10:06 +1200
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-04 23:23 +0000
How is it that Arlen can be this thick? Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs He really has no clue <none@all.com> - 2020-07-04 16:52 -0700
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Kees Nuyt <k.nuyt@nospam.demon.nl> - 2020-07-05 03:25 +0200
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-05 03:08 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-04 20:27 -0700
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-04 17:21 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-07-04 16:59 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-04 17:12 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-04 23:57 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2020-07-05 21:15 +0100
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-05 00:14 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-07-04 16:40 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-04 17:12 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-07-05 03:22 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2020-07-12 10:51 -0700
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-12 14:47 -0400
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Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-07-26 02:49 +0000
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Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-07-13 23:08 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-13 20:26 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2020-07-13 16:41 -0700
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-13 20:26 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-07-14 02:17 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2020-07-19 11:34 -0400
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Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-07-13 19:29 +0000
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Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2020-07-14 10:50 -0700
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-14 14:23 -0400
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Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-07-14 21:48 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-14 21:54 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-07-14 21:18 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-14 21:25 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-07-14 22:06 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-14 22:21 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-07-15 02:30 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-15 07:56 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-07-15 09:02 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2020-07-15 09:50 -0700
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-15 13:13 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-07-15 15:42 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-15 15:44 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2020-07-16 08:43 +1200
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2020-07-14 11:45 +1200
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2020-07-14 10:35 -0700
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-14 14:23 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2020-07-15 08:38 +1200
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-07-14 21:10 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-07-15 08:59 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2020-07-14 11:47 +1200
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2020-07-14 17:42 +0200
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2020-07-15 08:33 +1200
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-14 16:37 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-07-15 08:55 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2020-07-15 22:19 +0200
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2020-07-16 08:47 +1200
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2020-07-15 23:10 +0200
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2020-07-16 14:41 +1200
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2020-07-16 18:44 +0200
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2020-07-16 10:16 -0700
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-16 14:29 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2020-07-17 08:34 +1200
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-13 17:55 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-07-13 23:19 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-13 20:26 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-07-14 21:30 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2020-07-15 10:05 -0700
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-15 13:13 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-07-23 00:06 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-23 00:10 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2020-07-23 15:34 -0700
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-23 19:06 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-07-23 19:42 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2020-07-26 11:56 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2020-07-12 16:58 -0700
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-12 20:08 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-06-27 22:30 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-06-27 19:08 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-06-27 19:11 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-06-28 02:19 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-06-28 00:37 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-06-28 16:20 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-06-28 12:52 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-06-28 21:30 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-06-29 16:45 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-06-30 04:21 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-01 02:56 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-06-27 22:41 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-06-27 19:16 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-06-28 00:26 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-06-28 00:30 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-06-28 02:25 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-06-28 03:05 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-06-28 12:44 -0700
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2020-06-29 11:51 +1200
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2020-06-29 08:29 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-06-29 13:00 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2020-06-29 11:10 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-06-29 10:00 -0700
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-06-29 17:30 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2020-06-29 19:14 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-06-29 21:16 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-06-29 19:41 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2020-06-29 15:55 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-06-29 13:53 -0700
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-06-29 21:16 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-06-29 14:32 -0700
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-06-30 04:19 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-06-30 04:31 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2020-07-01 10:06 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-07-01 16:21 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-01 16:56 +0000
Why does Arlen always lose? Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Not Arlen <whodat@ness.biz> - 2020-07-01 10:40 -0700
Re: Why does Arlen always lose? Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs John Doe <always.look@message.header> - 2020-07-02 03:46 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2020-07-01 13:09 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-01 10:37 -0700
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-07-01 19:13 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2020-07-01 15:40 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-01 12:45 -0700
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-07-01 21:27 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-03 11:47 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-03 09:11 -0700
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-07-03 17:21 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-03 10:29 -0700
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2020-07-03 15:49 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-03 13:56 -0700
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-07-03 20:59 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2020-07-04 10:32 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-04 23:43 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Andreas Rutishauser <andreas@macandreas.ch> - 2020-07-05 08:59 +0200
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-05 15:52 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-07-04 15:43 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-04 14:18 -0700
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-07-05 17:14 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-07-03 16:26 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-03 16:50 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-07-03 21:17 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-03 13:55 -0700
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2020-07-01 15:46 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-01 12:51 -0700
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-07-03 02:25 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-03 01:11 -0700
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-07-03 15:51 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-07-03 21:12 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-07-04 00:31 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-03 20:54 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-07-04 03:18 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-03 23:50 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-07-04 12:40 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2020-07-04 10:34 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-04 11:03 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-05 16:00 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-07-04 16:19 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-07-04 20:27 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-05 16:46 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-07-05 17:49 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-07-06 02:09 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-07-03 14:41 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-01 10:33 -0700
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-07-01 19:15 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-06-29 21:16 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-06-29 14:27 -0700
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-06-29 09:15 -0700
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-06-29 16:59 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-06-29 16:53 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-06-30 04:53 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs joe <none@domain.invalid> - 2020-06-30 08:14 -0500
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Wolffan <akwolffan@zoho.com> - 2020-06-30 10:51 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-06-30 19:37 +0000
OT: Why must Arlen constantly lie? (was Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Just for Arlen <justforarlen@no.no.no.no> - 2020-06-30 13:57 -0700
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Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-06-30 17:48 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs joe <none@domain.invalid> - 2020-06-30 13:09 -0500
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-06-30 11:25 -0700
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-06-30 19:07 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Especially for Arlen <especiallyforarlen@no.no.no.no> - 2020-06-30 13:59 -0700
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2020-12-02 04:59 +0000
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Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-29 08:38 -0700
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-06-30 04:44 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-06-30 04:49 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-06-30 05:02 +0000
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2020-07-01 12:27 -0700
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-01 15:41 -0400
Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-07-03 02:18 -0400
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| Date | 2020-07-04 23:23 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <rdr31p$6ii$1@news.mixmin.net> |
| In reply to | #133255 |
On Sun, 5 Jul 2020 10:06:50 +1200, Your Name wrote: > *All* Macs will be going to Apple Silicon Hi Your Name, Do you even own a brain, Your Name? You've always shown that you easily succumb to Apple MARKETING messages. o Your brain has no concept of any independent adult thought processes. It was "ARM technology" for _years_ and now, suddenly, now that Apple is licensing the technology, all of a sudden, as of just about a week or so ago, suddenly, desperately, frantically so... all of a sudden.. it's "Apple Silicon"? WTF? *You call it that because Apple is _frantic_ to differentiate itself.* o So what is, was, and always will be ARM technology... ... ... is suddenly (magically!) Apple Silicon! ... ... You always prove, Your Name, to succumb rather easily to MARKETING BS. ... ... *Do you even own a brain, Your Name?* ... ... You always instantly succumb to Orwellian math from Apple without a fight. -- The problem with apologists is that they don't seem to own a brain.
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| From | He really has no clue <none@all.com> |
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| Date | 2020-07-04 16:52 -0700 |
| Subject | How is it that Arlen can be this thick? Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs |
| Message-ID | <rdr4od$1nnp$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #133258 |
On 2020-07-04 4:23 p.m., Arlen Holder wrote: > On Sun, 5 Jul 2020 10:06:50 +1200, Your Name wrote: > >> *All* Macs will be going to Apple Silicon > > Hi Your Name, > > Do you even own a brain, Your Name? > > You've always shown that you easily succumb to Apple MARKETING messages. > o Your brain has no concept of any independent adult thought processes. > > It was "ARM technology" for _years_ and now, suddenly, now that Apple is > licensing the technology, all of a sudden, as of just about a week or so > ago, suddenly, desperately, frantically so... all of a sudden.. it's > "Apple Silicon"? You complete simpleton. There is no "suddenly" about it. Apple licensed the technology literally decades ago. It's "Apple Silicon" because (yes!) they decided to add a marketing name to something that they have been doing since 2012: Designing their own ARM architecture chips. This is well known and well referenced across the entire internet.
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| From | Kees Nuyt <k.nuyt@nospam.demon.nl> |
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| Date | 2020-07-05 03:25 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <mk92gf1j7d3avs74flucsi9325ocjld4nq@dim53.demon.nl> |
| In reply to | #133258 |
On Sat, 4 Jul 2020 23:23:37 -0000 (UTC), Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> wrote: > It was "ARM technology" for _years_ and now, suddenly, now that Apple is > licensing the technology, all of a sudden, as of just about a week or so > ago, suddenly, desperately, frantically so... all of a sudden.. it's > "Apple Silicon"? Apple can call it Apple Silicon, in the same way as : - Broadcom SetTopBox SoCs are Broadcom design with ARM cores licenced from ARM Holdings - Qualcomm SnapDragon - etc. All containing ARM technology. I don't feel like citing all of them. See for yourself in this chapter: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_architecture#Licensing and the rest of the article. ARM Silicon does not exist. ARM's products are instruction sets and configurable hardware definition libraries, almost mask-ready, but several steps before it enters the ASML wafersteppers. -- Regards, Kees Nuyt
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| From | Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> |
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| Date | 2020-07-05 03:08 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <rdrg82$5e6$1@news.mixmin.net> |
| In reply to | #133267 |
On Sun, 05 Jul 2020 03:25:14 +0200, Kees Nuyt wrote: > Apple can call it Apple Silicon Hi Kees Nuyt, I don't know you, so I can't say whether your brain is so influenced by MARKETING that it can't actually operate independently as an adult. I also don't know how much MARKETING education you have, but, if you're college educated, as I am, you have some if you have at least an MBA. Based on what you wrote, you sounded rather logical, sensible & educated, where, everything you said I agree with, since I'm also a cognizant adult. However, you have to understand how then that you're _different_ from Apple Apologists, who are cultists, first and foremost, who, like flat earthers, actually believe anything and everything that Apple MARKETING feeds them. My point to nospam (who is a Type I Apple Apologist, which means he is capable of getting the point), and to Your Name (who is a Type III apologist, and hence, not capable of independent adult thought), was simply that Apple MARKETING is playing a game with their brains. Just as Exxon used to have a tiger run across the TV screen to imply that higher-octane fuel gave their Honda Civic magical powers, when it can't possibly do anything other than waste their money, these Type III apologists like Your Name actually _believe_ the bullshit marketing. By way of contrast, Type I apologists, like nospam is, would "claim" that Techron is better for your engine, but he'd know that his claim is bullshit since all Top Tier gasolines (e.g., Costco gas) have the _same_ 400 ppm or so of polyetheramines that Chevron patented long ago (the patent expired, as I recall, the point being that it's just a name at this point in time). Notice that the Type I apologists (e.g., nospam) will bullshit everyone that, for example, "Techron is better", all the while _knowing_ that it's bullshit (and only backing down when caught)... but the Type III apologists (like Your Name, Alan Baker, Lewis, Jolly Roger, BK, Joerg Lorenz, et al.) will actually not only _believe_ the "Techron is better" bullshit, but they will argue with you until the end of time _claiming_ that it's better. That's what it's like dealing with these Type I and Type III apologists (where the Type II apologists like Alan Browne and Steve Scharf (sms) simply filter out the facts so that they're simply ignorant of these facts, so they _think_ "Techron is better", all the while simply being wrong. Back to the "Your Name" troll... He actually _believes_ it's somehow (magically) some super fancy special only Apple can possibly do it kind of really special product this, so-called "Apple Silicon", that is so special that it's worth whatever he can possibly pay for it. I don't mind him wasting his money and wasting his mindl; but I do mind when he espouses his utter and total bullshit on Usenet. When he does that, I will simply point out that this "Apple Silicon" is coined simply because, IMHO, Apple MARKETING decided that the fact it's based on ARM technology was something they _needed_ to hide from the consumer like Your Name who desperately _wants_ to feel that what he's buying is somehow different (like "Chevron gas" is to "Costco gas"). My job is simply to set the facts straight. -- Apple is frantic that we NOT think of the new ARM Mac as an ARM Mac.
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| From | Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> |
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| Date | 2020-07-04 20:27 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <rdrhbf$itm$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #133267 |
On 2020-07-04 6:25 p.m., Kees Nuyt wrote: > On Sat, 4 Jul 2020 23:23:37 -0000 (UTC), Arlen Holder > <arlenholder@newmachine.com> wrote: > >> It was "ARM technology" for _years_ and now, suddenly, now that Apple is >> licensing the technology, all of a sudden, as of just about a week or so >> ago, suddenly, desperately, frantically so... all of a sudden.. it's >> "Apple Silicon"? > > Apple can call it Apple Silicon, in the same way as : > > - Broadcom SetTopBox SoCs are Broadcom design > with ARM cores licenced from ARM Holdings > - Qualcomm SnapDragon > - etc. > > All containing ARM technology. > > I don't feel like citing all of them. > See for yourself in this chapter: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_architecture#Licensing > and the rest of the article. > > ARM Silicon does not exist. ARM's products are instruction sets > and configurable hardware definition libraries, almost > mask-ready, but several steps before it enters the ASML > wafersteppers. > As far as I can tell, ARM sells licenses that include designs for specific chips... ...but it is well known (to people who don't have a huge axe to grind) that Apple has only a license for the ARM ISA and designs its own chips entirely in-house (and has since the A6 first released in 2012).
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| From | Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> |
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| Date | 2020-07-04 17:21 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <rdqdq5$ma3$1@news.mixmin.net> |
| In reply to | #133197 |
On Sat, 04 Jul 2020 01:56:16 -0400, Paul wrote:
> The computing industry has been chock-full of vaporous goodness
> in the past. I don't see a reason for that to stop.
Hi Paul,
I agree with you on the "vaporous goodness" MARKETING feeds apologists.
The problem here is, what Mayayana calls "AppleSeeds", are true believers.
o They're a cult that believes in imaginary functionality by MARKETING.
They know Apple has _never_ created even a best-in-class smartphone CPU
o And yet, they believe that Apple will create a best-in-class PC CPU.
On what basis?
o Pure MARKETING bullshit
There are both obvious & subtle ways they _believe_ the MARKETING bullshit.
o Lewis, for example, claims that since there's a super expensive computer
that is super powerful, that uses ARM technology, then, by gawd, of
course anything that Apple makes will be powerful - especially if it's
called "Apple Silicon" (in a desperate ploy to get people like Lewis
to think it's not what it really is, which is ARM Silicon,
fab'd by TSMC).
We already proved, many many many (many) times, Apple smartphone CPUs
aren't even close to "best in class" given almost all of them have multiple
huge unpatchable holes that the apologists love to completely ignore!
(notice MARKETING ignores those holes too - apologists cue MARKETING)
o *Hackers release a new jailbreak that unlocks every iPhone*
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/r66f4aYm5oI>
There are so many unpatchable flaws in Apple smartphone CPUs, it's crazy:
o *The FBI was easily able to penetrate Apple's most secure iPhones*
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/fe_26eulOaw>
The holes in Apple CPUs has been discusssed umpteen times on the Apple
newsgroups, and yet, it's no coincidence that MARKETING doesn't speak of
the huge holes in their smartphone CPUs (and neither do the Apologists!)
o *The 'Checkm8' exploit* (kills almost all iPhone CPUs ever made!)
<https://groups.google.com/forum/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/cwlXKVyQfT4>
Notice these don't even cover the incessant huge holes in Apple iOS either:
o *A critical iPhone and iPad bug that lurked for 8 years*
<https://groups.google.com/forum/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/P5b1Ujau6iU>
It never ends for the Mac either, with the bugs galore, even in the kernel:
o *Every Apple operating system, MacOS, iOS, iPadOS, watchOS, and tvOS*
*were seriously vulnerable*
*(and Apple wasn't who found it, yet again - it never ends)*
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/SPzqnW7L65w/>
it never ends... where all these huge holes in all Apple products are
_ignored_ by MARKETING, so the apologists are completely immune to them.
Not to mention that almost all of them are throttled, one by one, to _half_
speed (so basically all benchmarks that aren't about halved, are bogus):
o *Apple throttled your iPhone by cutting its speed almost in HALF!*
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/l79Xb6qx8Fs>
What we have to agree on are the facts, which is that in _every_ iOS
release since iOS 10, Apple added more and more of the latest phones to
their throttling regimen (more in iOS 10, more still in iOS 11, even more
still in iOS 12, and even more still in iOS 13).
o *Every iPhone CPU from the iPhone 6 to iPhone 7 were throttled*
*then iPhone 8 to iPhone X were throttled*
*& now the iPhone XS, iPhone XS Max & iPhone XR get throttling software*
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/Mzh1IvniDr8>
At least now it's no longer secret (once benchmarks plummeted, which is how
they found it out in the first place), where now, the poor sad iPhone user,
if they don't keep replacing their batteries forever, are faced with the
stark unenviable choice of:
o *MANDATORY - either choose _unacceptable_ performance*
o *MANDATORY - or choose _unacceptable_ stability*
... ... ... /YOU MUST CHOOSE ONE NOW!/ ... ... ...
o nospam is a bit more logical, where he too falls for the desperate ploy
by Apple MARKETING to get him to think it's NOT ARM Silicon, but some
kind of "special" silicon, that only Apple can make (where all Apple has
to do is tweak one resistor and then they can claim they "designed" it).
We already showed proof that it has been called ARM silicon for ages, until
now, when suddenly, only now... *Apple cares what you call ARM silicon*.
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.sys.mac.system/ElvAtPCgr6I/5DDVwYz_AgAJ>
In summary, the logical questions to ask are:
Q1: Given Apple has _never_ even made a best-in-class smartphone CPU...
What makes apologists like Lewis so confident they can make a
best-in-class PC CPU?
Q2: Given almost all Apple CPUs are throttled to about half performance,
and, given that even at peak performance, they're full of unpatchable
fatal flaws...
What makes apologists like nospam believe that they'll be best in class
PC CPUs?
--
Apologists believe anything Apple MARKETING feeds them to believe;
but Apple MARKETING doesn't tell them the truth about their product.
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| From | JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> |
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| Date | 2020-07-04 16:59 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <C46MG.54310$RF4.29452@fx43.iad> |
| In reply to | #133217 |
On 2020-07-04 13:21, Arlen Holder wrote: > They know Apple has _never_ created even a best-in-class smartphone CPU > o And yet, they believe that Apple will create a best-in-class PC CPU. Apple was first to market with ARM's new 64 bit architecture. It has consstently been first to market with the smallest process mask. And it has managed new chips year after year, always by september. The ability to deliver on time is pretty unique. Don't underestimate Apple's chip capabilities.
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2020-07-04 17:12 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <040720201712276684%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #133237 |
In article <C46MG.54310$RF4.29452@fx43.iad>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote: > > Apple was first to market with ARM's new 64 bit architecture. you finally figured that out. > It has consstently been first to market with the smallest process mask. > And it has managed new chips year after year, always by september. The > ability to deliver on time is pretty unique. something intel has failed to do. > Don't underestimate Apple's chip capabilities. exactly.
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| From | Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> |
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| Date | 2020-07-04 23:57 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <rdr50j$b73$1@news.mixmin.net> |
| In reply to | #133237 |
On Sat, 4 Jul 2020 16:59:14 -0400, JF Mezei wrote: > Apple was first to market with ARM's new 64 bit architecture. > > It has consstently been first to market with the smallest process mask. > And it has managed new chips year after year, always by september. The > ability to deliver on time is pretty unique. > > Don't underestimate Apple's chip capabilities. Hi JF Mezei, Rest assured, I _respect_ the astoundingly immense POWER of Apple! o While Apple is not in the least about R&D - Apple is all MARKETING! The most powerful MARKETING organization on this planet. o *Never lose sight of how much I respect Apple MARKETING* *for its sheer shockingly immense POWER over people's minds*. Since you're not an apologist, I will be very clear with you about what I estimate about Apple's abilities... OK? As you're aware, I'm very well apprised that Apple is driven frantic to _differentiate_ itself from ARM with the new ARM-based Macs coming out. So desperate is Apple to _distance_ itself from ARM that the word ARM didn't even come out of their mouths during the conference when they discussed this new direction. Not even once. You think that's an accident? You think they simply _forgot_ it was ARM technology in the new Mac? If you think any of that, then maybe you are an Apple apologists. o But I hope you own a brain that can think independently of MARKETING BS. So please listen to me, and please listen closely as I know Apple well. ... What I do NOT underestimate... ... ... What I cannot ever underestimate... ... ... ... What I will never underestimate... *Is the astoundingly inordinately Orwellian POWER of Apple MARKETING.* Remember, Apple is all marketing... and almost no R&D whatsoever. o Nobody spends less in R&D % of all high tech than Apple does. Nobody. And you know that I know that, so you know you can't refute that fact. o What I do NOT underestimate, is the POWER OF MARKETING to sway your mind. Apple MARKETING is brilliant... so rest assured, I do NOT underestimate it! o *What is the most brilliant marketing move Apple ever made?* <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/wW-fu0jsvAU/iUMbvDSxAwAJ> If Apple can so easily turn a dead Chinese lady into such a powerfully delivered MARKETING COUP, rest assured, I hope to never underestimate the power of Apple MARKETING to sway its gullible users' minds. While Apple is not in the least about R&D - Apple is all MARKETING! -- Apple MARKETING holds a powerfully Orwellian sway over its users minds.
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| From | Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> |
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| Date | 2020-07-05 21:15 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <Doy*90iWx@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk> |
| In reply to | #133197 |
In comp.mobile.android Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote: > I'm digging into the photo album for that picture > of the Exponential ECL CPU. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exponential_Technology Heh: IEEE JOURNAL OF SOLID-STATE CIRCUITS, VOL. 32, NO. 11, NOVEMBER 1997 1625 A 533-MHz BiCMOS Superscalar RISC Microprocessor Cliff A. Maier, Member, IEEE, James A. Markevitch, Member, IEEE, Cheryl Senter Brashears, Tim Sippel, Member, IEEE, Earl T. Cohen, Jim Blomgren, James G. Ballard, Jay Pattin, Viki Moldenhauer, Jeffrey A. Thomas, Member, IEEE, and George Taylor Abstract—This 533-MHz BiCMOS very large scale integration (VLSI) implementation of the PowerPC architecture contains three pipelines and a large on-chip secondary cache to achieve a peak performance of 1600 MIPS. The 15 mm x 10 mm die contains 2.7M transistors (2M CMOS and 0.7M bipolar) and dissipates less than 85 W. The die is fabricated in a six-level metal, 0.5-m BiCMOS process and requires 3.6 and 2.1 V power supplies. Manuscript received April 17, 1997; revised July 31, 1997. C. A. Maier and C. Senter Brashears were with Exponential Technology, San Jose, CA 95131 USA. They are now with AMD, Sunnyvale, CA 94088 USA. J. A. Markevitch was with Exponential Technology, San Jose, CA 95131 USA. He is now with Evergreen Technology, Palo Alto, CA 94301 USA. T. Sippel was with Exponential Technology, San Jose, CA 95131 USA. He is now with Alchemy Designs, Sunnyvale, CA 94087 USA. E. T. Cohen was with Exponential Technology, San Jose, CA 95131 USA. He is now with BiT Microsystems, Fremont, CA 94538 USA. J. Blomgren was with Exponential Technology, San Jose, CA 95131 USA. He is now with EVSX, Austin, TX 78735 USA. J. G. Ballard was with Exponential Technology, San Jose, CA 95131 USA. He is now with Sun Microsystems, Mountain View, CA 94043 USA. J. Pattin was with Exponential Technology, San Jose, CA 95131 USA. He is now with Epigram, Palo Alto, CA 94301 USA. V. Moldenhauer was with Exponential Technology, San Jose, CA 95131 USA. She is now with Philips Electronics, Sunnyvale, CA 94088 USA. J. A. Thomas was with Exponential Technology, San Jose, CA 95131 USA. He is now with DEC, Palo Alto, CA 94301 USA. G. Taylor was with Exponential Technology, San Jose, CA 95131 USA. He is now a consultant in Los Altos, CA 94024 USA. Publisher Item Identifier S 0018-9200(97)08028-1. They managed to go bankrupt between submitting the paper and its publication. Oops :) Interestingly, a spinout was EVSX in Austin, later Intrinsity, that did EDA tooling to enable faster clock speeds via dynamic logic, and were bought by Apple in 2010. So it appears their attempt to make a new Mac CPU might eventually come true, in a roundabout way. Theo [fu set to comp.arch]
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| From | Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> |
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| Date | 2020-07-05 00:14 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <rdr61u$dig$1@news.mixmin.net> |
| In reply to | #133196 |
On Sat, 4 Jul 2020 16:46:27 -0400, JF Mezei wrote: > Many will see this as a really neat integration between their iPhone and > desktops, but others will need a "computer" and may be pushed onto > Windows or Linux. Hi JF Mezei, You're not an apologist, so a completely different conversation is possible o As you note, the door will open for people to _choose_ at that time. All reasonable, rational, logical people, make choices when they need to. o What this new ARM-based Mac does, in effect, is open that door. I can't say yet which choice people will make at that time... o But Apple's decision to move to the Mac ARM _will_ open that door. If any of us think Apple MARKETING is unaware of that situation, rest assured they're well aware that the Mac ARM _will_ open that door. Expect a MARKETING blitz from Apple, which has _already_ started, in so much as Apple MARKETING is apparently petrified of the simple word ARM, which wasn't uttered even once in the announcement about the new ARM-based Macs. You think Apple _forgot_ it was ARM architecture they're licensing? o Apple MARKETING is _petrified_ we'll see this for what it is. Given Apple is all about MARKETING and the lowest R&D of all high tech, expect a MARKETING blitz like you can't believe, to shore up what gullible people _think_ about the new ARM-based silicon that Apple will brand. Even so, the door will be open, no matter what. o I never underestimate Apple MARKETING so they may convince people NOT to use that open door. But the door will be left open for people to _choose_ at that time. -- Never underestimate Apple MARKETING's astounding POWER to sway minds!
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| From | JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> |
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| Date | 2020-07-04 16:40 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <KO5MG.65656$%p.2016@fx33.iad> |
| In reply to | #133195 |
On 2020-07-04 00:06, Arlen Holder wrote: > "the entire installed base of Macs will become obsolete within 2-5 years. > There will come a time, probably in 2024 or 2025, but possibly as early > as 2023, when Intel Macs will no longer get operating system updates. By then, I expect that whatever Macs are produced by Apple will have performance advantage over similar products on the x86. > Within the next three to four years, all Mac users will have to face the > decision of whether to upgrade their hardware with new Macs, > or with non-Apple PCs." The big question is what part of the market Apple will retain. The Mac Pro was priced so that Apple can claim it is there without anyone being able to afford it. On Youtube, almost all the reviews have been of famous Youtubers who were given loans from Apple, not people who actually bought it. The infortunate thing is that Apple works by the numbers: the longer an item lasts, the less interested Apple is because sales numbers aren't good. As a result, it sees the future only in laptops and tablets and doesn't seem to have much interest in desktops. But that yields the wrong conclusion that people don't use desktops or towers. The reason is that those units now last longer before being too slow. The other question is that with more and more apps coming from IOS, will osx be "Jony Ived" and turned into a glorified iPad shifting focus from serious computijg. If those it will push the higher end to Linux and Windows while the "device" customer base will be pretty happy with glorified iPhones in an iMac or Macbook form factor, or iPad with a keyboard (at which point it becomes undifferentiated). "Back to Mac" is happening.
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2020-07-04 17:12 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <040720201712256572%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #133235 |
In article <KO5MG.65656$%p.2016@fx33.iad>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote: > > "the entire installed base of Macs will become obsolete within 2-5 years. > > There will come a time, probably in 2024 or 2025, but possibly as early > > as 2023, when Intel Macs will no longer get operating system updates. > > By then, I expect that whatever Macs are produced by Apple will have > performance advantage over similar products on the x86. *well* before then.
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2020-07-05 03:22 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnrg2hqp.31ib.g.kreme@ProMini.lan> |
| In reply to | #133235 |
In message <KO5MG.65656$%p.2016@fx33.iad> JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote: > The big question is what part of the market Apple will retain. The Mac > Pro was priced so that Apple can claim it is there without anyone being > able to afford it. On Youtube, almost all the reviews have been of > famous Youtubers who were given loans from Apple, not people who > actually bought it. Plenty of people have bought the Mac Pro, you FUDster. -- Always be sincere, even if you don't mean it.
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| From | sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> |
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| Date | 2020-07-12 10:51 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <refijg$fc1$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #133235 |
On 7/4/2020 1:40 PM, JF Mezei wrote: <snip> > The big question is what part of the market Apple will retain. The Mac > Pro was priced so that Apple can claim it is there without anyone being > able to afford it. The Mac Pro trash can version sold well to those needing a high-performance workstation. Not sure about the new Mac Pro. Despite the high cost, it actually is less expensive than a comparably featured HP Xeon based workstation. A lot of people used it for Windows applications like Solidworks, Avid, Cadence, Autocad, etc., as well as for Final Cut Pro and Avid under OS-X. But it's not a mass-market consumer electronics device so it really doesn't fit with Apple's vision as a consumer electronics company, not a computer company. An ARM-based Mac Pro would not make much sense.
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2020-07-12 14:47 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <120720201447256635%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #133447 |
In article <refijg$fc1$1@dont-email.me>, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote: > The Mac Pro trash can version sold well to those needing a > high-performance workstation. not really, especially without it having been updated in 6 years. > Not sure about the new Mac Pro. Despite > the high cost, it actually is less expensive than a comparably featured > HP Xeon based workstation. A lot of people used it for Windows > applications like Solidworks, Avid, Cadence, Autocad, etc., no they very definitely do not use it for windows applications, which would not be able to take advantage of its capabilities. > as well as > for Final Cut Pro and Avid under OS-X. that part is true, except that macos is not called 'os-x'. > But it's not a mass-market > consumer electronics device so it really doesn't fit with Apple's vision > as a consumer electronics company, not a computer company. apple is much more than a consumer electronics company. > An ARM-based > Mac Pro would not make much sense. yes it would, for all sorts of reasons.
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| From | Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> |
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| Date | 2020-07-12 12:21 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <refnr0$cuf$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #133448 |
On 2020-07-12 11:47 a.m., nospam wrote: > In article <refijg$fc1$1@dont-email.me>, sms > <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote: > >> The Mac Pro trash can version sold well to those needing a >> high-performance workstation. > > not really, especially without it having been updated in 6 years. > >> Not sure about the new Mac Pro. Despite >> the high cost, it actually is less expensive than a comparably featured >> HP Xeon based workstation. A lot of people used it for Windows >> applications like Solidworks, Avid, Cadence, Autocad, etc., > > no they very definitely do not use it for windows applications, which > would not be able to take advantage of its capabilities. I wouldn't say that. I looked into this for a client and a LOT of Solidworks resellers are posting about how to use it on Macs. 'Innova Systems Technical Director, Ed Hawkins, explains "We have now installed and configured this on over 20 users’ Apple Mac computers and I have to say the response from these people has been amazing. I have a mid 2014 MacBook Pro, which I’ve been using as a test bed. The specs are listed below: ... In summary, the Parallels solution is now recommended by Innova Systems. We are confident of this working well in a production environment, but the spec of the Mac is key to the success. Along with our modifications to the registry in Windows, of course."' <https://www.innova-systems.co.uk/solidworks-on-apple-mac-yes-we-can/> :-)
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2020-07-12 15:32 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <120720201532198269%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #133449 |
In article <refnr0$cuf$2@dont-email.me>, Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote: > >> Not sure about the new Mac Pro. Despite > >> the high cost, it actually is less expensive than a comparably featured > >> HP Xeon based workstation. A lot of people used it for Windows > >> applications like Solidworks, Avid, Cadence, Autocad, etc., > > > > no they very definitely do not use it for windows applications, which > > would not be able to take advantage of its capabilities. > > I wouldn't say that. others would. > I looked into this for a client and a LOT of Solidworks resellers are > posting about how to use it on Macs. new mac pro, not macs in general. there is no reason to buy a mac pro to run windows since its advantages will never be utilized under windows, such as the afterburner card. other macs, sure. that's an entirely different use case.
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| From | Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> |
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| Date | 2020-07-12 12:53 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <refpnj$q3v$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #133451 |
On 2020-07-12 12:32 p.m., nospam wrote: > In article <refnr0$cuf$2@dont-email.me>, Alan Baker > <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote: > >>>> Not sure about the new Mac Pro. Despite >>>> the high cost, it actually is less expensive than a comparably featured >>>> HP Xeon based workstation. A lot of people used it for Windows >>>> applications like Solidworks, Avid, Cadence, Autocad, etc., >>> >>> no they very definitely do not use it for windows applications, which >>> would not be able to take advantage of its capabilities. >> >> I wouldn't say that. > > others would. > >> I looked into this for a client and a LOT of Solidworks resellers are >> posting about how to use it on Macs. > > new mac pro, not macs in general. > > there is no reason to buy a mac pro to run windows since its advantages > will never be utilized under windows, such as the afterburner card. > > other macs, sure. that's an entirely different use case. > If you get a capability you can't use under Windows, but the system still costs less than a similar system without that capability, why would you care? I'd say that if HP feels a need to create this page: <https://www8.hp.com/ca/en/campaigns/workstations/mac-to-z.html> ...then there is probably something to the PP's point. :-)
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2020-07-12 17:20 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <120720201720478766%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #133453 |
In article <refpnj$q3v$1@dont-email.me>, Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote: > > > >> I looked into this for a client and a LOT of Solidworks resellers are > >> posting about how to use it on Macs. > > > > new mac pro, not macs in general. > > > > there is no reason to buy a mac pro to run windows since its advantages > > will never be utilized under windows, such as the afterburner card. > > > > other macs, sure. that's an entirely different use case. > > > > If you get a capability you can't use under Windows, but the system > still costs less than a similar system without that capability, why > would you care? it's unlikely that a system with additional features will cost less than one without those features, and if they're not going to be used, that money is wasted. however, if for some reason it does cost less, then go for it. the point is that people are not buying a 2019 mac pro just to run windows apps. they might do so on occasion, but even that is rare. > I'd say that if HP feels a need to create this page: > > <https://www8.hp.com/ca/en/campaigns/workstations/mac-to-z.html> > > ...then there is probably something to the PP's point. that references a trashcan mac pro, not the new mac pro 2019 model.
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