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Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs

Started byJF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>
First post2020-06-27 16:49 -0400
Last post2020-07-04 20:31 +0000
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  Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-06-27 16:49 -0400
    Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-06-27 17:07 -0400
      Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-06-27 22:33 +0000
        Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-06-28 02:45 +0000
    Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-06-27 17:19 -0400
      Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-06-27 17:48 -0400
        Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-06-27 17:53 -0400
          Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-06-27 22:35 +0000
            Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-01 15:09 +0000
              Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-01 11:02 -0700
    Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2020-06-27 18:02 -0400
      Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-06-27 22:36 +0000
        Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2020-06-28 06:22 -0400
          Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-06-28 16:26 +0000
            Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-03 03:51 +0000
              Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-02 20:58 -0700
              Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-07-03 02:31 -0400
                Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-03 11:19 +0000
                Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-03 08:29 -0400
                  Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-04 04:06 +0000
                    Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-03 21:13 -0700
                      Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2020-07-04 01:56 -0400
                        Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-04 00:02 -0700
                          Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2020-07-04 03:49 -0400
                            Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-04 01:13 -0700
                            Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-07-04 12:50 +0000
                              Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-04 16:24 +0000
                                Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-04 09:41 -0700
                              Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2020-07-04 14:01 -0400
                                Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-04 14:07 -0400
                                Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-04 18:35 +0000
                                Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2020-07-04 15:16 -0400
                                Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-07-04 17:08 -0400
                            Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2020-07-04 07:23 -0700
                              Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-04 11:03 -0400
                                Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-04 16:08 +0000
                                  Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-04 09:16 -0700
                                    Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2020-07-04 15:19 -0400
                                      Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-04 19:36 +0000
                                        Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-04 21:07 +0000
                                        Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-04 14:11 -0700
                                          Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-07-05 03:18 +0000
                                            Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-05 04:02 +0000
                                              Arlen is utterly unmoved by facts Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-04 21:48 -0700
                                      Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-04 15:47 -0400
                                      Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-04 14:07 -0700
                                        Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-04 17:12 -0400
                                          Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-04 14:15 -0700
                                            Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-04 17:22 -0400
                                              Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Rene Lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca> - 2020-07-04 16:25 -0500
                                              Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-04 14:41 -0700
                                              Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-04 21:45 +0000
                                                Arlen makes yet another explicit claim... (wasRe: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs You know who! <no@body.net> - 2020-07-04 14:49 -0700
                                            Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-07-05 03:14 +0000
                                      Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2020-07-09 18:34 -0700
                                        Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-09 21:52 -0400
                                          Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-10 02:56 +0000
                                            Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-09 20:38 -0700
                                              Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2020-07-11 15:24 +1200
                                                Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-10 23:35 -0400
                                                  Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-11 04:24 +0000
                                                    Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-11 04:36 +0000
                                                    Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-11 10:40 -0700
                                                  Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2020-07-12 12:55 +1200
                                                    Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-12 01:10 +0000
                                                    Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-11 22:36 -0400
                                                      Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-12 04:17 +0000
                                                        Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2020-07-13 16:16 +1200
                                                          Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-13 05:43 +0000
                                                            Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2020-07-13 21:55 +1200
                                                              Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs delvon daily <delvondaily@example.com> - 2020-07-13 14:37 -0700
                                                                OT: Why must Arlen nymshift? (was Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-13 15:13 -0700
                                                                Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2020-07-14 16:07 +1200
                                                                  Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-14 01:22 -0400
                                                                    Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2020-07-14 21:12 +1200
                                                                      Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-14 19:27 -0400
                                                                        Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2020-07-15 11:59 +1200
                                                                          Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-14 22:54 -0400
                                                                            Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2020-07-16 16:37 +1200
                                                                              Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-16 18:10 -0400
                                                                                Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2020-07-17 13:29 +1200
                                                                                  Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-16 21:45 -0400
                                                                                    Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2020-07-18 22:14 +1200
                                                                                      Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-18 11:50 -0400
                                                                                        Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2020-07-19 16:07 +1200
                                                                                          Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-19 08:17 -0400
                                                                                            Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2020-07-19 14:34 +0200
                                                                                            Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2020-07-20 16:49 +1200
                                                                                              Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-21 11:31 -0400
                                                                                                Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2020-07-22 12:47 +1200
                                                                                                  Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-21 21:02 -0400
                                                                                  Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-07-17 06:41 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2020-07-18 22:15 +1200
                                                                                      Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-18 11:50 -0400
                                                                                        Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2020-07-19 16:11 +1200
                                                                                          Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-19 08:17 -0400
                                                                                            Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2020-07-20 16:51 +1200
                                                                                              Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-21 11:31 -0400
                                                                  Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2020-07-18 07:18 -0700
                                                                    Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-18 11:50 -0400
                                                                      Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2020-07-18 21:47 +0200
                                                Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-11 04:51 +0000
                                                  Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs John Michael <tonymayo43@gmail.com> - 2020-07-11 01:30 -0400
                                                    Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-11 05:55 +0000
                                                      Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-11 05:59 +0000
                                                    Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-14 10:11 +0000
                                                    Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-15 17:14 +0000
                                              Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: xxxxx is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2020-07-18 08:37 -0700
                                                Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: xxxxx is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-07-18 18:31 +0000
                                                  Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: xxxxx is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-18 21:01 +0000
                                                Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: xxxxx is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-18 20:54 +0000
                                        Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2020-07-10 15:21 +1200
                                          Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-09 20:30 -0700
                                            Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-09 23:36 -0400
                                              Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-09 20:42 -0700
                                            Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2020-07-10 15:44 +1200
                                              Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-10 04:18 +0000
                                                Arlen is a liar. Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs For a friend <notyou@yes.yes> - 2020-07-09 21:35 -0700
                                                  Re: Arlen is a liar. Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2020-07-10 01:04 -0400
                                                    Re: Arlen is a liar. Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-09 22:06 -0700
                                                      Re: Arlen is a liar. Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2020-07-10 01:27 -0400
                                                        Re: Arlen is a liar. Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-09 23:13 -0700
                                                        Re: Arlen is a liar. Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-10 14:20 +0000
                                                          Re: Arlen is a liar. Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-10 10:09 -0700
                                                            Re: Arlen is a liar. Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2020-07-11 15:18 +1200
                                                              Re: Arlen is a liar. Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-11 05:00 +0000
                                                              Re: Arlen is a liar. Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-10 22:34 -0700
                                                                Re: Arlen is a liar. Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2020-07-12 12:54 +1200
                                                                Re: Arlen is a liar. Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-07-12 04:22 +0000
                                                                  Re: Arlen is a liar. Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-12 06:07 +0000
                                                    Re: Arlen is a liar. Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2020-07-10 18:47 +1200
                                                      Re: Arlen is a liar. Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-10 14:27 +0000
                                                    Re: Arlen is a liar. Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-10 14:13 +0000
                                          Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-09 23:36 -0400
                                    Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2020-07-05 10:09 +1200
                                      Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-04 15:10 -0700
                                      Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-04 23:29 +0000
                                  Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-07-04 16:56 -0400
                                    Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-04 21:36 +0000
                              Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2020-07-05 10:06 +1200
                                Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-04 23:23 +0000
                                  How is it that Arlen can be this thick? Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs He really has no clue <none@all.com> - 2020-07-04 16:52 -0700
                                  Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Kees Nuyt <k.nuyt@nospam.demon.nl> - 2020-07-05 03:25 +0200
                                    Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-05 03:08 +0000
                                    Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-04 20:27 -0700
                        Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-04 17:21 +0000
                          Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-07-04 16:59 -0400
                            Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-04 17:12 -0400
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    Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-06-27 22:30 +0000
      Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-06-27 19:08 -0400
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        Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-06-28 02:19 +0000
          Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-06-28 00:37 -0400
            Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-06-28 16:20 +0000
              Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-06-28 12:52 -0400
                Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-06-28 21:30 +0000
                  Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-06-29 16:45 -0400
                    Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-06-30 04:21 +0000
                      Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-01 02:56 +0000
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        Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-06-28 00:26 +0000
        Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-06-28 00:30 +0000
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                Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2020-06-29 19:14 +0000
                  Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-06-29 21:16 +0000
                Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-06-29 19:41 +0000
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                    Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-06-29 13:53 -0700
                    Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-06-29 21:16 +0000
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                    Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-06-30 04:19 +0000
                      Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-06-30 04:31 +0000
                      Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2020-07-01 10:06 -0400
                        Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-07-01 16:21 +0000
                          Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-01 16:56 +0000
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                            Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-07-01 19:13 +0000
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                                  Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-03 11:47 +0000
                                    Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-03 09:11 -0700
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                                        Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-03 10:29 -0700
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                                            Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2020-07-04 10:32 -0400
                                              Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-04 23:43 +0000
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                                                  Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-05 15:52 +0000
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                                            Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-07-05 17:14 -0400
                                      Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-07-03 16:26 -0400
                                        Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-03 16:50 -0400
                                          Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-07-03 21:17 +0000
                                        Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-03 13:55 -0700
                              Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2020-07-01 15:46 -0400
                                Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-01 12:51 -0700
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                                  Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-03 01:11 -0700
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                                        Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-07-04 00:31 +0000
                                          Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-03 20:54 -0400
                                            Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-07-04 03:18 +0000
                                              Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-03 23:50 -0400
                                                Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-07-04 12:40 +0000
                                                Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2020-07-04 10:34 -0400
                                                  Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-04 11:03 -0400
                                                    Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-05 16:00 +0000
                                        Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-07-04 16:19 -0400
                                          Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-07-04 20:27 +0000
                                            Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-05 16:46 +0000
                                            Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-07-05 17:49 -0400
                                              Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-07-06 02:09 +0000
                                  Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-07-03 14:41 +0000
                        Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-01 10:33 -0700
                          Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-07-01 19:15 +0000
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                    Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-06-29 14:27 -0700
            Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-06-29 09:15 -0700
              Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-06-29 16:59 -0400
          Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-06-29 16:53 -0400
            Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-06-30 04:53 +0000
              Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs joe <none@domain.invalid> - 2020-06-30 08:14 -0500
                Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Wolffan <akwolffan@zoho.com> - 2020-06-30 10:51 -0400
                  Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-06-30 19:37 +0000
                    OT: Why must Arlen constantly lie? (was Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Just for Arlen <justforarlen@no.no.no.no> - 2020-06-30 13:57 -0700
                      Re: OT: Why must Arlen constantly lie? (was Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Wolffan <akwolffan@zoho.com> - 2020-07-01 16:55 -0400
                Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-06-30 17:48 +0000
                  Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs joe <none@domain.invalid> - 2020-06-30 13:09 -0500
                    Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-06-30 11:25 -0700
                    Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-06-30 19:07 +0000
                      Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Especially for Arlen <especiallyforarlen@no.no.no.no> - 2020-06-30 13:59 -0700
                        Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen   Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2020-12-02 04:59 +0000
      Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Leonardo Pacheco <lpacheco72@gmail.com> - 2020-07-28 23:58 -0700
        Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-07-29 09:47 +0000
        Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-07-29 08:38 -0700
    Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-06-30 04:44 +0000
      Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-06-30 04:49 +0000
        Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-06-30 05:02 +0000
    Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2020-07-01 12:27 -0700
      Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-01 15:41 -0400
        Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-07-03 02:18 -0400
      Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-07-01 21:32 +0000
      Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-07-03 02:01 -0400
        Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-07-03 14:43 +0000
          Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-07-04 15:36 -0400
            Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-07-04 20:31 +0000

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#133241 — Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs

FromAlan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no>
Date2020-07-04 14:11 -0700
SubjectRe: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs
Message-ID<rdqraq$bed$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#133227
On 2020-07-04 12:36 p.m., Arlen Holder wrote:
> On Sat, 04 Jul 2020 15:19:44 -0400, Paul wrote:
> 
>> What prevents people from running off and designing processors ?
>> It's called a patent portfolio.
> 
> Hi Paul,
> 
> It's similar to the hurdle that Apple/Intel found out when they tried (and
> failed, so far anyway) to build something as simple as a "modem".
> 
>   ... *Even after spending _billions_ of dollars on the modem project!* ...
> 
> HINT: As you noted, it's all about the patent portfolio.
> o Now compare a "modem" to a PC CPU in terms of potential patents
> 
> (Although, unlike Lewis, I realize they're fundamentally different so I'm
> only asking for a comparison on size & complexity, not on digital
> performance versus analog/rf performance, which is mostly the real
> technology comparison between the CPU & modem comparison).
> 
> (Also note that licensing the ARM technology obviates at least the ARM
> patents, which, of course, is how and why ARM makes money off of Apple.)
> 
> Apple has never created a best-in-class modem; Apple has never created a
> best-in-class GPU; Apple has never created a best-in-class smartphone
> CPU... and yet, these apologists "believe" Apple will create a
> best-in-class ARM CPU for their beloved Mac.

Apple is demonstrably producing the best-in-class CPUs for smartphones.

'As of March 2020, the best mobile processor is Apple A13 Bionic which 
powers the iPhone 11 Lineup.'

<https://www.techcenturion.com/smartphone-processors-ranking>

<https://www.myfixguide.com/best-smartphone-processors-ranking/>

<https://www.phonecurry.com/benchmarks>

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#133271 — Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs

FromLewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
Date2020-07-05 03:18 +0000
SubjectRe: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs
Message-ID<slrnrg2hju.31ib.g.kreme@ProMini.lan>
In reply to#133241
In message <rdqraq$bed$1@dont-email.me> Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
> Apple is demonstrably producing the best-in-class CPUs for smartphones.

> 'As of March 2020, the best mobile processor is Apple A13 Bionic which 
> powers the iPhone 11 Lineup.'

The cheapest iPhone (the 2020 SE) is more powerful than the most
expensive Android phone.

> <https://www.techcenturion.com/smartphone-processors-ranking>

> <https://www.myfixguide.com/best-smartphone-processors-ranking/>

> <https://www.phonecurry.com/benchmarks>


-- 
You came in that thing? You're braver than I thought!

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#133274 — Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs

FromArlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com>
Date2020-07-05 04:02 +0000
SubjectRe: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs
Message-ID<rdrjco$bv4$1@news.mixmin.net>
In reply to#133271
On Sun, 5 Jul 2020 03:18:22 -0000 (UTC), Lewis wrote:

> The cheapest iPhone (the 2020 SE) is more powerful than the most
> expensive Android phone.

The sad thing is that Lewis actually _believes_ everything he writes!

While I'm the one who broke the news of the iPhone 2020 SE to the Apple
newsgroups, I'm well aware of the bullshit surrounding that phone.

For example, the _only_ Apple smartphone chip that wasn't well known to be
completely and fatally flawed is the stated reason _why_ it went into that
particular design, which tells you a _lot_ about how badly designed almost
all Apple smartphone CPUs really are.

In addition, it almost certainly _will_ be throttled to half speed, where
that "claimed" power, is then utterly and instantly worthless because it
will join the rest of the Apple smartphones - most likely "in about a
year", giving iPhone users the unenviable choice of:
a. *You _MUST_ choose either unacceptable stability*, or, 
b. *You _MUST_ choose unacceptable performance*
c. ... ... YOU Absolutely Must Pick One! ... ... 

BTW, the battery, by all accounts, is literally anemic, so, again, you'll
be at that throttling point in no time flat, which, of course, you expect
to be throttled to half speed in about a year nowadays for an iPhone.

So the sad thing is that Lewis actually _believes_ everything he writes!
-- 
And don't even get me started on how much _functionality_ my $100 Moto G7
has that is impossible on that iPhone SE 2020 (e.g., automatic call
recording, wifi debugging, ability to organize the screen any way you like,
etc.).

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#133275 — Arlen is utterly unmoved by facts Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs

FromAlan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no>
Date2020-07-04 21:48 -0700
SubjectArlen is utterly unmoved by facts Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs
Message-ID<rdrm3b$5le$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#133274
On 2020-07-04 9:02 p.m., Arlen Holder wrote:
> On Sun, 5 Jul 2020 03:18:22 -0000 (UTC), Lewis wrote:
> 
>> The cheapest iPhone (the 2020 SE) is more powerful than the most
>> expensive Android phone.
> 
> The sad thing is that Lewis actually _believes_ everything he writes!
> 
> While I'm the one who broke the news of the iPhone 2020 SE to the Apple
> newsgroups, I'm well aware of the bullshit surrounding that phone.

You mean this "bullshit"...

...from that well known Apple shill site, Android Authority:

'The $399 iPhone SE clearly beats the $1,399 Galaxy S20 Ultra overall. 
But, it isn’t all bad. Looking at the CPU time, which involves tasks 
that rely heavily on the CPU (single-threaded and multi-threaded), the 
S20 Ultra actually won; 38.5 seconds vs 39.5 seconds.'

<https://www.androidauthority.com/iphone-se-vs-most-powerful-android-galaxy-s20-ultra-1120575/>

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#133229 — Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2020-07-04 15:47 -0400
SubjectRe: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs
Message-ID<040720201547104615%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#133223
In article <rdqkog$4g1$1@dont-email.me>, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid>
wrote:

> If anything is perceived as a threat to Intel, you
> can be damn sure they'll decap that chip and have
> it scanned for patent infringement. There is a
> company that specializes in this topic, of scanning
> for patent material. Intel doesn't even have to warm
> up their own electron microscope.

apple isn't making anything that infringes intel ip, so no.

apple is making arm chips of their own design, which they've been doing
for a decade or so.

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#133239 — Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs

FromAlan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no>
Date2020-07-04 14:07 -0700
SubjectRe: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs
Message-ID<rdqr33$9rj$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#133223
On 2020-07-04 12:19 p.m., Paul wrote:
> Alan Baker wrote:
> 
>>
>> It has now been shown over and over that Apple designs its own chips.
> 
> What prevents people from running off and designing processors ?
> 
> It's called a patent portfolio.
> 

And?

> There are like, a thousand patents you have to dodge, while
> designing such hardware.
> 
> If anything is perceived as a threat to Intel, you
> can be damn sure they'll decap that chip and have
> it scanned for patent infringement. There is a
> company that specializes in this topic, of scanning
> for patent material. Intel doesn't even have to warm
> up their own electron microscope.

And Apple is designing and building chips based on ARM's ISA...

> 
> Oh, my, is that a ring oscillator I see in there ?
> Is that a charge pump on some dynamic circuitry ?
> Who has the patent on that ? And so on.

You think that Apple doesn't have people whose job it is to make sure 
their designs don't infringe on patents they don't own?

> 
> When Microsoft said "we're going to make an x86 software interpreter
> for our new ARM box". Intel threatened them. Microsoft backed off.
> 
> Which company has the richest patent portfolio ?
> 
> Will they go to patent war with one another ?
> 
> Will Apple boxes be stopped at the border, on their way from China ?

Would you care to make a small wager?

Which company has more MONEY: Intel or Apple?

Get this through your tiny, narrow, silly little mind:

APPLE IS ALREADY DESIGNING AND USING ITS OWN CPUs AND HAS BEEN SINCE 2012.

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#133244 — Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2020-07-04 17:12 -0400
SubjectRe: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs
Message-ID<040720201712266628%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#133239
In article <rdqr33$9rj$1@dont-email.me>, Alan Baker
<notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:

> On 2020-07-04 12:19 p.m., Paul wrote:
> > When Microsoft said "we're going to make an x86 software interpreter
> > for our new ARM box". Intel threatened them. Microsoft backed off.
> > 
> > Which company has the richest patent portfolio ?
> > 
> > Will they go to patent war with one another ?
> > 
> > Will Apple boxes be stopped at the border, on their way from China ?
> 
> Would you care to make a small wager?
> 
> Which company has more MONEY: Intel or Apple?
> 
> Get this through your tiny, narrow, silly little mind:
> 
> APPLE IS ALREADY DESIGNING AND USING ITS OWN CPUs AND HAS BEEN SINCE 2012.

actually, 2010 with the a4, and prior to that, they designed a wide
variety of custom chips.

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#133246 — Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs

FromAlan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no>
Date2020-07-04 14:15 -0700
SubjectRe: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs
Message-ID<rdqri7$bed$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#133244
On 2020-07-04 2:12 p.m., nospam wrote:
> In article <rdqr33$9rj$1@dont-email.me>, Alan Baker
> <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
> 
>> On 2020-07-04 12:19 p.m., Paul wrote:
>>> When Microsoft said "we're going to make an x86 software interpreter
>>> for our new ARM box". Intel threatened them. Microsoft backed off.
>>>
>>> Which company has the richest patent portfolio ?
>>>
>>> Will they go to patent war with one another ?
>>>
>>> Will Apple boxes be stopped at the border, on their way from China ?
>>
>> Would you care to make a small wager?
>>
>> Which company has more MONEY: Intel or Apple?
>>
>> Get this through your tiny, narrow, silly little mind:
>>
>> APPLE IS ALREADY DESIGNING AND USING ITS OWN CPUs AND HAS BEEN SINCE 2012.
> 
> actually, 2010 with the a4, and prior to that, they designed a wide
> variety of custom chips.
> 

To be fair, the A4 was not an all-Apple design.

I've been looking into this and the first all-Apple chip appears to have 
been the A6.

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#133248 — Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2020-07-04 17:22 -0400
SubjectRe: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs
Message-ID<040720201722041291%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#133246
In article <rdqri7$bed$3@dont-email.me>, Alan Baker
<notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:

> >>
> >> APPLE IS ALREADY DESIGNING AND USING ITS OWN CPUs AND HAS BEEN SINCE 2012.
> > 
> > actually, 2010 with the a4, and prior to that, they designed a wide
> > variety of custom chips.
> > 
> 
> To be fair, the A4 was not an all-Apple design.
> 
> I've been looking into this and the first all-Apple chip appears to have 
> been the A6.

maybe not entirely but it wasn't just an off the shelf part either.

and then there is the mystery of the a1, a2, and a3, which presumably
were internal prototypes, with the a4 being the first public release.

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#133249 — Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs

FromRene Lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca>
Date2020-07-04 16:25 -0500
SubjectRe: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs
Message-ID<hmcadkFegruU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#133248
On 2020-07-04 4:22 p.m., nospam wrote:
> In article <rdqri7$bed$3@dont-email.me>, Alan Baker
> <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
> 
>>>>
>>>> APPLE IS ALREADY DESIGNING AND USING ITS OWN CPUs AND HAS BEEN SINCE 2012.
>>>
>>> actually, 2010 with the a4, and prior to that, they designed a wide
>>> variety of custom chips.
>>>
>>
>> To be fair, the A4 was not an all-Apple design.
>>
>> I've been looking into this and the first all-Apple chip appears to have
>> been the A6.
> 
> maybe not entirely but it wasn't just an off the shelf part either.
> 
> and then there is the mystery of the a1, a2, and a3, which presumably
> were internal prototypes, with the a4 being the first public release.
> 

Don't forget the A7f

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#133252 — Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs

FromAlan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no>
Date2020-07-04 14:41 -0700
SubjectRe: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs
Message-ID<rdqt2c$jjt$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#133248
On 2020-07-04 2:22 p.m., nospam wrote:
> In article <rdqri7$bed$3@dont-email.me>, Alan Baker
> <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
> 
>>>>
>>>> APPLE IS ALREADY DESIGNING AND USING ITS OWN CPUs AND HAS BEEN SINCE 2012.
>>>
>>> actually, 2010 with the a4, and prior to that, they designed a wide
>>> variety of custom chips.
>>>
>>
>> To be fair, the A4 was not an all-Apple design.
>>
>> I've been looking into this and the first all-Apple chip appears to have
>> been the A6.
> 
> maybe not entirely but it wasn't just an off the shelf part either.

Which doesn't make it an Apple designed chip.

> 
> and then there is the mystery of the a1, a2, and a3, which presumably
> were internal prototypes, with the a4 being the first public release.

One would assume, yes.

But given that the A4 was an Apple chip with ARM-designed cores, I think 
it's only logical to assume that they either used ARM designed 
components... ...or were failures to go all-Apple first time out.

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#133253 — Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs

FromArlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com>
Date2020-07-04 21:45 +0000
SubjectRe: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs
Message-ID<rdqtal$pk7$1@news.mixmin.net>
In reply to#133248
On Sat, 04 Jul 2020 17:22:04 -0400, nospam wrote:

>> To be fair, the A4 was not an all-Apple design.
>> 
>> I've been looking into this and the first all-Apple chip appears to have 
>> been the A6.
> 
> maybe not entirely but it wasn't just an off the shelf part either.

Doublespeak.

What's interesting is Alan Baker apparently claims the ARM Mac is "Apple
Silicon", even as he must then ignore that the fundamental patented
technology comes from ARM (hence, it's really ARM Silicon but Apple is
frantic we don't realize that fact - which is why they're desperate for us
to not call it the "ARM Mac" or the "Mac ARM" or "ARM Silicon", etc.)...

And yet... 
o He and nospam agree that the A4, isn't.

Doublespeak.
-- 
The apologists live in an imaginary world of all-MARKETING doublespeak.

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#133254 — Arlen makes yet another explicit claim... (wasRe: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs

FromYou know who! <no@body.net>
Date2020-07-04 14:49 -0700
SubjectArlen makes yet another explicit claim... (wasRe: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs
Message-ID<rdqthr$1ckf$2@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#133253
...that he won't back with his "facts".

On 2020-07-04 2:45 p.m., Arlen Holder wrote:
> On Sat, 04 Jul 2020 17:22:04 -0400, nospam wrote:
> 
>>> To be fair, the A4 was not an all-Apple design.
>>>
>>> I've been looking into this and the first all-Apple chip appears to have
>>> been the A6.
>>
>> maybe not entirely but it wasn't just an off the shelf part either.
> 
> Doublespeak.
> 
> What's interesting is Alan Baker apparently claims the ARM Mac is "Apple
> Silicon", even as he must then ignore that the fundamental patented
> technology comes from ARM (hence, it's really ARM Silicon but Apple is
> frantic we don't realize that fact - which is why they're desperate for us
> to not call it the "ARM Mac" or the "Mac ARM" or "ARM Silicon", etc.)...

What "fundamental patented technology" would that be, Arlen?

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#133270 — Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs

FromLewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
Date2020-07-05 03:14 +0000
SubjectRe: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs
Message-ID<slrnrg2hbv.31ib.g.kreme@ProMini.lan>
In reply to#133246
In message <rdqri7$bed$3@dont-email.me> Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
> On 2020-07-04 2:12 p.m., nospam wrote:
>> In article <rdqr33$9rj$1@dont-email.me>, Alan Baker
>> <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 2020-07-04 12:19 p.m., Paul wrote:
>>>> When Microsoft said "we're going to make an x86 software interpreter
>>>> for our new ARM box". Intel threatened them. Microsoft backed off.
>>>>
>>>> Which company has the richest patent portfolio ?
>>>>
>>>> Will they go to patent war with one another ?
>>>>
>>>> Will Apple boxes be stopped at the border, on their way from China ?
>>>
>>> Would you care to make a small wager?
>>>
>>> Which company has more MONEY: Intel or Apple?
>>>
>>> Get this through your tiny, narrow, silly little mind:
>>>
>>> APPLE IS ALREADY DESIGNING AND USING ITS OWN CPUs AND HAS BEEN SINCE 2012.
>> 
>> actually, 2010 with the a4, and prior to that, they designed a wide
>> variety of custom chips.
>> 

> To be fair, the A4 was not an all-Apple design.

Yep. Mostly, but not entirely.

> I've been looking into this and the first all-Apple chip appears to have 
> been the A6.

For the main iOS device chips that sound right.

-- 
"Are you pondering what I'm pondering?"
"Uh, I think so, Brain, but we'll never get a monkey to use dental
	floss."

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#133351 — Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs

Fromsms <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
Date2020-07-09 18:34 -0700
SubjectRe: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs
Message-ID<re8gjb$ksk$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#133223
On 7/4/2020 12:19 PM, Paul wrote:

<snip>

> When Microsoft said "we're going to make an x86 software interpreter
> for our new ARM box". Intel threatened them. Microsoft backed off.
> 
> Which company has the richest patent portfolio ?
> 
> Will they go to patent war with one another ?
> 
> Will Apple boxes be stopped at the border, on their way from China ?

I think that you can be pretty sure that Apple worked out some kind of 
licensing and royalty deal with Intel, regarding x86, prior to 
announcing the ARM-based Macs.

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#133352 — Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2020-07-09 21:52 -0400
SubjectRe: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs
Message-ID<090720202152134530%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#133351
In article <re8gjb$ksk$1@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

> 
> I think that you can be pretty sure that Apple worked out some kind of 
> licensing and royalty deal with Intel, regarding x86, prior to 
> announcing the ARM-based Macs.

nope. apple silicon does not implement x86, therefore there is no
reason to license it or pay royalties.

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#133356 — Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs

FromArlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com>
Date2020-07-10 02:56 +0000
SubjectRe: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs
Message-ID<re8lbv$kig$1@news.mixmin.net>
In reply to#133352
On Thu, 09 Jul 2020 21:52:13 -0400, nospam wrote:

>> I think that you can be pretty sure that Apple worked out some kind of 
>> licensing and royalty deal with Intel, regarding x86, prior to 
>> announcing the ARM-based Macs.
> 
> nope. apple silicon does not implement x86, therefore there is no
> reason to license it or pay royalties.

Hi nospam,
I could be wrong, but I think you missed the point, which, I think, Steve
was trying to make (even as Steve, himself, is a Type II apologist).

NOTE: Type II apologists aren't malicious like Type III apologists are, and
they don't always parrot Apple MARKETING mantra like Type I apologists do.

It would do Apple no good if Intel summarily dropped them (assuming they
could legally do so, and that it was in Intel's interest) simply because
Apple is substituting Intel Macs, over time, to ARM Macs.

Whether or not that's what Steve meant, I would assume that Apple isn't
stupid, so they don't wish to piss off Intel (look how well it turned out
for Apple with Qualcomm, i.e., perhaps the biggest abject surrender in
Apple's history to the tune of billions upon billions of dollars).

In short, logical, sensible, and reasonable adults _assume_ Apple worked
out a deal with Intel such that Intel isn't gonna "retaliate" to the
detriment of Apple's business plans.
-- 
Sometimes you have to explain the simplest of things to apologists.

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#133362 — Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs

FromAlan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no>
Date2020-07-09 20:38 -0700
SubjectApple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs
Message-ID<re8nri$q48$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#133356
On 2020-07-09 7:56 p.m., Arlen Holder wrote:
> On Thu, 09 Jul 2020 21:52:13 -0400, nospam wrote:
> 
>>> I think that you can be pretty sure that Apple worked out some kind of
>>> licensing and royalty deal with Intel, regarding x86, prior to
>>> announcing the ARM-based Macs.
>>
>> nope. apple silicon does not implement x86, therefore there is no
>> reason to license it or pay royalties.
> 
> Hi nospam,
> I could be wrong, but I think you missed the point, which, I think, Steve
> was trying to make (even as Steve, himself, is a Type II apologist).
> 
> NOTE: Type II apologists aren't malicious like Type III apologists are, and
> they don't always parrot Apple MARKETING mantra like Type I apologists do.
> 
> It would do Apple no good if Intel summarily dropped them (assuming they
> could legally do so, and that it was in Intel's interest) simply because
> Apple is substituting Intel Macs, over time, to ARM Macs.
> 
> Whether or not that's what Steve meant, I would assume that Apple isn't
> stupid, so they don't wish to piss off Intel (look how well it turned out
> for Apple with Qualcomm, i.e., perhaps the biggest abject surrender in
> Apple's history to the tune of billions upon billions of dollars).

Hmmm...

Qualcomm net income for 2019: $4.386 billion

Apple net income for 2019:   $55.256 billion.

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#133394 — Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs

FromEric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz>
Date2020-07-11 15:24 +1200
SubjectRe: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs
Message-ID<56cigfpvm5rfl8go4bgo78ol7gm5g6llmc@4ax.com>
In reply to#133362
On Thu, 9 Jul 2020 20:38:24 -0700, Alan Baker
<notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:

>On 2020-07-09 7:56 p.m., Arlen Holder wrote:
>> On Thu, 09 Jul 2020 21:52:13 -0400, nospam wrote:
>> 
>>>> I think that you can be pretty sure that Apple worked out some kind of
>>>> licensing and royalty deal with Intel, regarding x86, prior to
>>>> announcing the ARM-based Macs.
>>>
>>> nope. apple silicon does not implement x86, therefore there is no
>>> reason to license it or pay royalties.
>> 
>> Hi nospam,
>> I could be wrong, but I think you missed the point, which, I think, Steve
>> was trying to make (even as Steve, himself, is a Type II apologist).
>> 
>> NOTE: Type II apologists aren't malicious like Type III apologists are, and
>> they don't always parrot Apple MARKETING mantra like Type I apologists do.
>> 
>> It would do Apple no good if Intel summarily dropped them (assuming they
>> could legally do so, and that it was in Intel's interest) simply because
>> Apple is substituting Intel Macs, over time, to ARM Macs.
>> 
>> Whether or not that's what Steve meant, I would assume that Apple isn't
>> stupid, so they don't wish to piss off Intel (look how well it turned out
>> for Apple with Qualcomm, i.e., perhaps the biggest abject surrender in
>> Apple's history to the tune of billions upon billions of dollars).
>
>Hmmm...
>
>Qualcomm net income for 2019: $4.386 billion
>
>Apple net income for 2019:   $55.256 billion.

What would Apple's income be without Qualcomm?
-- 

Regards,

Eric Stevens

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#133395 — Re: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2020-07-10 23:35 -0400
SubjectRe: Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Re: Arlen is an idiot Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs
Message-ID<100720202335310373%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#133394
In article <56cigfpvm5rfl8go4bgo78ol7gm5g6llmc@4ax.com>, Eric Stevens
<eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> wrote:

> 
> What would Apple's income be without Qualcomm?

we'll soon find out.

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