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| Started by | J Burns <burns@nospam.com> |
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| First post | 2018-11-08 08:44 -0500 |
| Last post | 2018-11-09 17:12 +0000 |
| Articles | 7 on this page of 67 — 13 participants |
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keeping files on an external drive J Burns <burns@nospam.com> - 2018-11-08 08:44 -0500
Re: keeping files on an external drive Wade Garrett <wade@cooler.net> - 2018-11-08 09:13 -0500
Re: keeping files on an external drive J Burns <burns@nospam.com> - 2018-11-08 09:47 -0500
Re: keeping files on an external drive nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 09:57 -0400
Re: keeping files on an external drive Wade Garrett <wade@cooler.net> - 2018-11-08 10:29 -0500
Re: keeping files on an external drive nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 10:49 -0400
Re: keeping files on an external drive nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 09:49 -0400
Re: keeping files on an external drive Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2018-11-08 14:52 +0000
Re: keeping files on an external drive Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2018-11-08 16:09 +0000
Re: keeping files on an external drive J Burns <burns@nospam.com> - 2018-11-08 12:02 -0500
Re: keeping files on an external drive Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2018-11-08 17:31 +0000
Re: keeping files on an external drive Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-09 08:03 +1300
Re: keeping files on an external drive nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 14:22 -0500
Re: keeping files on an external drive "J.Albert" <j.albert@nowhere.net> - 2018-11-09 22:29 -0500
Re: keeping files on an external drive Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2018-11-08 16:08 +0000
Re: keeping files on an external drive J Burns <burns@nospam.com> - 2018-11-08 12:27 -0500
Re: keeping files on an external drive nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 12:44 -0500
Re: keeping files on an external drive Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-11-08 23:38 +0000
Re: keeping files on an external drive J Burns <burns@nospam.com> - 2018-11-12 02:30 -0500
Re: keeping files on an external drive dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2018-11-12 21:57 +1300
Re: keeping files on an external drive dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2018-11-12 22:14 +1300
Re: keeping files on an external drive Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-11-12 12:55 +0000
Re: keeping files on an external drive dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2018-11-13 19:52 +1300
Re: keeping files on an external drive Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-11-12 12:51 +0000
Re: keeping files on an external drive dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2018-11-13 19:52 +1300
Re: keeping files on an external drive J Burns <burns@nospam.com> - 2018-11-12 12:19 -0500
Re: keeping files on an external drive nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-12 12:31 -0500
Re: keeping files on an external drive Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-11-12 22:41 +0000
Re: keeping files on an external drive J Burns <burns@nospam.com> - 2018-11-13 15:10 -0500
Re: keeping files on an external drive Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2018-11-13 12:24 -0800
Re: keeping files on an external drive J Burns <burns@nospam.com> - 2018-11-13 17:11 -0500
Re: keeping files on an external drive Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2018-11-13 15:02 -0800
Re: keeping files on an external drive J Burns <burns@nospam.com> - 2018-11-14 00:41 -0500
Re: keeping files on an external drive Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2018-11-15 11:26 -0800
Re: keeping files on an external drive dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2018-11-14 13:34 +1300
Re: keeping files on an external drive JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-11-14 15:42 -0500
Re: keeping files on an external drive dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2018-11-15 12:04 +1300
Re: keeping files on an external drive JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-11-15 00:52 -0500
Re: keeping files on an external drive dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2018-11-15 22:24 +1300
Re: keeping files on an external drive Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-11-14 04:57 +0000
Re: keeping files on an external drive ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2018-11-08 21:17 -0600
Re: keeping files on an external drive Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-09 18:29 +1300
Re: keeping files on an external drive J Burns <burns@nospam.com> - 2018-11-09 02:24 -0500
Re: keeping files on an external drive Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-10 09:37 +1300
Re: keeping files on an external drive ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2018-11-09 16:26 -0600
Re: keeping files on an external drive Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-11-09 22:57 +0000
Re: keeping files on an external drive Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-10 13:55 +1300
Re: keeping files on an external drive J Burns <burns@nospam.com> - 2018-11-10 00:21 -0500
Re: keeping files on an external drive ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2018-11-09 16:28 -0600
Re: keeping files on an external drive Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-10 13:58 +1300
Re: keeping files on an external drive Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2018-11-10 01:20 +0000
Re: keeping files on an external drive Elden <usenet@moondog.org> - 2018-11-09 21:33 -0800
Re: keeping files on an external drive dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2018-11-10 18:52 +1300
Re: keeping files on an external drive Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-10 19:08 +1300
Re: keeping files on an external drive dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2018-11-11 11:20 +1300
Re: keeping files on an external drive Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-11 17:49 +1300
Re: keeping files on an external drive Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-10 19:07 +1300
Re: keeping files on an external drive nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-10 08:38 -0500
Re: keeping files on an external drive Elden <usenet@moondog.org> - 2018-11-10 08:41 -0800
Re: keeping files on an external drive J Burns <burns@nospam.com> - 2018-11-10 14:35 -0500
Re: keeping files on an external drive Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-11 10:02 +1300
Re: keeping files on an external drive Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-11-11 07:22 +0000
Re: keeping files on an external drive Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2018-11-08 20:25 +0000
Re: keeping files on an external drive Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-11-08 23:24 +0000
Re: keeping files on an external drive Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2018-11-09 15:14 +0000
Re: keeping files on an external drive Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-11-09 15:30 +0000
Re: keeping files on an external drive Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2018-11-09 17:12 +0000
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-11 10:02 +1300 |
| Message-ID | <ps7h1v$1k7v$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #119431 |
On 2018-11-10 16:41:05 +0000, Elden said: > On Nov 10, 2018, nospam wrote: >> In article<0001HW.2196A51100D1E3D670000D2122EF@news.giganews.com>, >> Elden <usenet@moondog.org> wrote: >>>> >>>> Because having something delivered to your door is so inconvenient? >>> >>> Actually it is, when you¹re not home during the day (like most people). >> >> have it sent to an apple store for pickup or to wherever you are during >> the day. >> >> or, after the first failed delivery attempt, call fedex/ups and pick it >> up at the depot. > > I was very pleased to find out that I could (via the web) redirect my > wife’s Apple Watch (FedEx) to the local Walgreen’s without even having > had one attempt at delivery. And I have been able to contact UPS and have > them hold things at their depot for pickup before a delivery attempt as well. > > I think some genius is going to come up with a solution to this mess and get > filthy rich. My thought... start building homes with double front doors. One > in front of the other with a small space between them for packages. Those have been around for YEARS and YEARS. We had a front door into a small porch area and another door into our house when I was under five years old, *cough* *cough* decades ago, and they weren't even remotely a new idea then. They were very popular for a long time, but do seem to have almost faded out. They were great because they allowed you to go into your house and close the door against the winter weather, then remove wet shoes and raincoats in the tiled porch area before entering the house's proper living spaces - it stops the entryway carpets from becoming dirty. For small parcels you can get a delivery chute similar to those used in some banks or library after-hours book returns, where the slot has a double-door system where you put the parcel between the doors and when you close it up the parcel slides off into an inside collection box. The double door means even when opened you can't access any further than the slot itself. You can also now get "smart" doorbells which contain cameras that send the video to your smartphone, so you can remotely unlock the door to let people in when you're not home and lock it again after they leave. You could add some internal webcams so you can keep an eye on them while they are inside the house. Even better, you can couple that with a double-door porch and you're good to go. But even the that wouldn't stop either a crooked delivery person stealing parcels (either the one they are delivering or another already in the porch area) nor a normal break-n-enter thief. There are also companies that run a storage-type option whereby you can have your parcels delivered to what looks like a regular street address, but works more like a post office box. The staff there accept delivery and put the items into your own secure box. You simply go and collect the deliveries from your own box when it suits you. Again, the people working there have to be trustworthy. New Zealand Post runs a similar system with companies in various countries whereby we can buy an item that is only deliverable in America, UK, or wherever, which is delivered to teh storage warehosue, and then forwarded by them to the New Zealand delivery address.
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2018-11-11 07:22 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnpufm56.1ia3.g.kreme@Snow.local> |
| In reply to | #119431 |
In message <0001HW.219741A100F6959670000D2122EF@news.giganews.com> Elden <usenet@moondog.org> wrote: > On Nov 10, 2018, nospam wrote: >> In article<0001HW.2196A51100D1E3D670000D2122EF@news.giganews.com>, >> Elden <usenet@moondog.org> wrote: >> >> > > >> > > Because having something delivered to your door is so inconvenient? >> > >> > Actually it is, when you¹re not home during the day (like most people). >> >> have it sent to an apple store for pickup or to wherever you are during >> the day. >> >> or, after the first failed delivery attempt, call fedex/ups and pick it >> up at the depot. > I was very pleased to find out that I could (via the web) redirect my > wife’s Apple Watch (FedEx) to the local Walgreen’s without even having > had one attempt at delivery. And I have been able to contact UPS and have > them hold things at their depot for pickup before a delivery attempt as well. > I think some genius is going to come up with a solution to this mess and get > filthy rich. My thought... start building homes with double front doors. One > in front of the other with a small space between them for packages. Amazon lockers work very well for me. There's one a couple miles away at a Whole Foods that I got to regularly and drive past nearly every time I leave the house. There are two others within 3 miles of my house which I sometimes use then the nearest on is "full" -- "Yessir, Captain Tight Pants."
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-08 20:25 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <g4jkcvFopm3U2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #119277 |
On 2018-11-08, J Burns <burns@nospam.com> wrote: > On 11/8/18 11:08 AM, Jolly Roger wrote: >> On 2018-11-08, J Burns <burns@nospam.com> wrote: >>> Internal storage is very expensive on the new minis. Reviewers point out >>> that the Thunderbolt/USB C ports could make external disks very quick. >> >> I keep my entire home folder on an external FileVault-encrypted SSD >> connected to my 2013 Mac Pro with USB3. I just erased/formatted it with >> Disk Utility, copied my home folder contents to the drive, then set >> System Preferences > Users & Groups > Advanced Options > Home directory >> to the copied home folder. No problems to report - works fine. >> >>> Since Classic, I don't recall working with personal files outside my >>> user folder. How would that work? Would they be accessible to all, as in >>> Classic? >> >> Storing arbitrary files on an external drive is not a problem for macOS. >> I recommend encrypting it if you care about the data on it. >> > Thank you. In the last six years, my boot disk has always had less than > 50 GB, so I don't want to pay Apple an extra $200 for 256 GB instead of > 128. I wouldn't dream of using anything less than 256GB for a startup drive, but to each, his own. : ) -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2018-11-08 23:24 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnpu9hcg.ct8.g.kreme@jaka.local> |
| In reply to | #119272 |
In message <g4j5ceFlb7aU2@mid.individual.net> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: > On 2018-11-08, J Burns <burns@nospam.com> wrote: >> Internal storage is very expensive on the new minis. Reviewers point out >> that the Thunderbolt/USB C ports could make external disks very quick. > I keep my entire home folder on an external FileVault-encrypted SSD > connected to my 2013 Mac Pro with USB3. I just erased/formatted it with > Disk Utility, copied my home folder contents to the drive, then set > System Preferences > Users & Groups > Advanced Options > Home directory > to the copied home folder. No problems to report - works fine. Really? When I did that on my iMac the external disk didn't load fast enough at boot and the system would create a new home folder for me since my home folder wasn't available. I still have that issue, as my Dropbox is on the external disk and many of my "dot" files live in Dropbox, so generally I have to quit Terminal on restart/login and then relaunch it so that it processes the .bashrc and such. -- This was music that had not only escaped but had robbed a bank on the way out. It was music with its sleeves rolled up and its top button undone, raising its hat and grinning and stealing the silver. It was music that went down to the feet by way of the pelvis without paying a call on Mr. Brain. --Soul Music
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-09 15:14 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <g4lmi3F83sfU3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #119311 |
On 2018-11-08, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: > In message <g4j5ceFlb7aU2@mid.individual.net> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: > >> I keep my entire home folder on an external FileVault-encrypted SSD >> connected to my 2013 Mac Pro with USB3. I just erased/formatted it with >> Disk Utility, copied my home folder contents to the drive, then set >> System Preferences > Users & Groups > Advanced Options > Home directory >> to the copied home folder. No problems to report - works fine. > > Really? When I did that on my iMac the external disk didn't load fast > enough at boot and the system would create a new home folder for me > since my home folder wasn't available. > > I still have that issue, as my Dropbox is on the external disk and many > of my "dot" files live in Dropbox, so generally I have to quit Terminal > on restart/login and then relaunch it so that it processes the .bashrc > and such. Not sure what to make of that. Our systems may be set up a little differently. I have a firmware password set as well as FileVault set so that only an administrator account can unlock the system volume, which means when I initially boot the machine, I get logged into the admin account first, which gives the system time to mount and unlock the external drive before I log out of the admin account and into my standard account. I also have created a symbolic link at /Users/myname pointing to /Volumes/Data/Users/myname for convenience on the command line. I have noticed that if I start a system update/upgrade from my standard account, and the machine reboots during installation, it tried and fails to log into my standard account, and I end up at the login screen instead, where I will log in as admin, log out, then log into my standard account. But when that happens, no new home folder is created in /Users, and my symbolic link is still there. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2018-11-09 15:30 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnpuba17.1psn.g.kreme@jaka.local> |
| In reply to | #119354 |
In message <g4lmi3F83sfU3@mid.individual.net> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: > On 2018-11-08, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: >> In message <g4j5ceFlb7aU2@mid.individual.net> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: >> >>> I keep my entire home folder on an external FileVault-encrypted SSD >>> connected to my 2013 Mac Pro with USB3. I just erased/formatted it with >>> Disk Utility, copied my home folder contents to the drive, then set >>> System Preferences > Users & Groups > Advanced Options > Home directory >>> to the copied home folder. No problems to report - works fine. >> >> Really? When I did that on my iMac the external disk didn't load fast >> enough at boot and the system would create a new home folder for me >> since my home folder wasn't available. >> >> I still have that issue, as my Dropbox is on the external disk and many >> of my "dot" files live in Dropbox, so generally I have to quit Terminal >> on restart/login and then relaunch it so that it processes the .bashrc >> and such. > Not sure what to make of that. Our systems may be set up a little > differently. I have a firmware password set as well as FileVault set so > that only an administrator account can unlock the system volume, which > means when I initially boot the machine, I get logged into the admin > account first, which gives the system time to mount and unlock the > external drive before I log out of the admin account and into my > standard account. That would do it. When I get my new machine I will probably do this, even though the double login dance is a little annoying, I do not reboot often. -- Oh and I could be a genius if I just put my mind to it And I, I could do anything if only I could get 'round to it.
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-09 17:12 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <g4ltfvF9js2U2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #119357 |
On 2018-11-09, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: > In message <g4lmi3F83sfU3@mid.individual.net> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: >> On 2018-11-08, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: >>> In message <g4j5ceFlb7aU2@mid.individual.net> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I keep my entire home folder on an external FileVault-encrypted SSD >>>> connected to my 2013 Mac Pro with USB3. I just erased/formatted it with >>>> Disk Utility, copied my home folder contents to the drive, then set >>>> System Preferences > Users & Groups > Advanced Options > Home directory >>>> to the copied home folder. No problems to report - works fine. >>> >>> Really? When I did that on my iMac the external disk didn't load fast >>> enough at boot and the system would create a new home folder for me >>> since my home folder wasn't available. >>> >>> I still have that issue, as my Dropbox is on the external disk and many >>> of my "dot" files live in Dropbox, so generally I have to quit Terminal >>> on restart/login and then relaunch it so that it processes the .bashrc >>> and such. > >> Not sure what to make of that. Our systems may be set up a little >> differently. I have a firmware password set as well as FileVault set so >> that only an administrator account can unlock the system volume, which >> means when I initially boot the machine, I get logged into the admin >> account first, which gives the system time to mount and unlock the >> external drive before I log out of the admin account and into my >> standard account. > > That would do it. > > When I get my new machine I will probably do this, even though the > double login dance is a little annoying, I do not reboot often. Right: rebooting is indeed a rarity. FileVault's boot sequence is slightly annoying, but I've been doing it for so long now it doesn't really bother me much. I'm used to entering the admin password at boot, and I have an automatic logout script that puts me into the login screen if no action is taken within 5 seconds after that initial admin login. It takes just a few seconds to get logged into my standard account after a reboot. I just prefer limiting the number of users that can unlock my encrypted drives to one account with a really strong passcode, to reduce the potential attack surface if someone should get physical access to a drive. The firmware password is to protect against this type of thing: <https://www.idownloadblog.com/2016/12/19/macos-sierra-10-12-2-fixed-vulnerability-that-let-attackers-obtain-disk-encryption-password/> And Find My Mac lets me track, disable, or erase my Macs remotely should they become "lost". The combination of all three makes my machines virtually useless to the common thief. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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