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  High school student hacked into 'unhackable' Apple servers and downloaded 90GB of 'secure files' Dick <richard@apple.com> - 2018-08-17 06:10 +0200
    Re: High school student hacked into 'unhackable' Apple servers and downloaded 90GB of 'secure files' Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2018-08-17 09:45 +0200
      Re: High school student hacked into 'unhackable' Apple servers and downloaded 90GB of 'secure files' Nobody <noreply@mixnym.net> - 2018-08-17 07:25 -0500
      Re: High school student hacked into 'unhackable' Apple servers and downloaded 90GB of 'secure files' Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2018-08-17 16:19 -0400
        Re: High school student hacked into 'unhackable' Apple servers and downloaded 90GB of 'secure files' nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-17 17:31 -0400
          Re: High school student hacked into 'unhackable' Apple servers and downloaded 90GB of 'secure files' Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-08-18 09:08 -0400
            Re: High school student hacked into 'unhackable' Apple servers and downloaded 90GB of 'secure files' nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-18 10:28 -0400
              Re: High school student hacked into 'unhackable' Apple servers and downloaded 90GB of 'secure files' Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-08-18 10:48 -0400
                Re: High school student hacked into 'unhackable' Apple servers and downloaded 90GB of 'secure files' Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2018-08-19 12:36 +0200
              Re: High school student hacked into 'unhackable' Apple servers and downloaded 90GB of 'secure files' Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2018-08-19 11:15 +0200
          Re: High school student hacked into 'unhackable' Apple servers and downloaded 90GB of 'secure files' John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2018-08-18 20:14 -0700

#117702 — High school student hacked into 'unhackable' Apple servers and downloaded 90GB of 'secure files'

An Australian high school student repeatedly hacked into Apple 
servers, succeeding in downloading 90GB of what were described 
as ‘secure files.’ The teenage boy also reportedly accessed 
customer accounts …

The Age reports that the hacks began when the boy – who cannot 
be named for legal reasons – was 16 years old and continued for 
some time. His access is said to include ‘authorised keys 
[which] grant log-in access to users.’

Apple finally detected the unauthorized access and reported it 
to the FBI, which launched an investigation. When the source of 
the intrusions was traced to Australia, the Australian Federal 
Police (AFP) joined what became an international investigation.

The teen – who is said to be well-known in the hacking community 
– used VPNs and other tools to try to avoid being traced, but 
Apple’s systems logged the serial numbers of the MacBooks used 
to carry out the attacks.

Two Apple laptops were seized and the serial numbers matched the 
serial numbers of the devices which accessed the internal 
systems.

A mobile phone and hard drive were also seized and the IP 
address … matched the intrusions into the organisation.

Amusingly, the downloaded material was saved in a folder titled 
‘hacky hack hack.’

The teen has pleaded guilty, and will be sentenced next month. 
The student’s lawyer said that the boy carried out the attacks 
‘because he was such a fan of the company’ and hoped to work 
there – a prospect that now seems rather unlikely.

Via MacRumors. Photo: WSJ.

https://9to5mac.com/2018/08/16/melbourne-apple-hack/

Lesson #1, don't use Apple products if you're going to be 
hacking.
Lesson #2, don't use Apple products.

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#117703

In article <a1591f75191c935c0a481f0c8f920648@dizum.com>
Dick <richard@apple.com> wrote:
>
> An Australian high school student repeatedly hacked into Apple
> servers, succeeding in downloading 90GB of what were described
> as ‘secure files.’ The teenage boy also reportedly accessed
> customer accounts …

Niiice.

> Two Apple laptops were seized and the serial numbers matched the
> serial numbers of the devices which accessed the internal
> systems.

Niiice.  Apple rats on users.

> A mobile phone and hard drive were also seized and the IP
> address … matched the intrusions into the organisation.
>
> Amusingly, the downloaded material was saved in a folder titled
> ‘hacky hack hack.’
>
> The teen has pleaded guilty, and will be sentenced next month.
> The student’s lawyer said that the boy carried out the attacks
> ‘because he was such a fan of the company’ and hoped to work
> there – a prospect that now seems rather unlikely.

Kevin Mitnick pulled it off, although his most famous hack job 
was mainly because some dumb-assed VMS system manager left 
default passwords on two privileged accounts and exposed the 
server to the Internet.  Not much of a hack if you ask me.

> Via MacRumors. Photo: WSJ.
>
> https://9to5mac.com/2018/08/16/melbourne-apple-hack/
>
> Lesson #1, don't use Apple products if you're going to be
> hacking.
> Lesson #2, don't use Apple products.

1st trillion $ company, hacked by a kid.  SMH.

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#117704

>
> 1st trillion $ company, hacked by a kid.  SMH.

  What a put down!

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#117709

On 2018-08-17 03:45, Nomen Nescio wrote:

> 1st trillion $ company, hacked by a kid.  SMH.

Saudi Aramco is worth much, much more than $1T and has been hacked 
numerous times.  Not sure if it was "kids" though.


-- 
"2/3 of Donald Trump's wives were immigrants.  Proof that we
  need immigrants to do jobs that most Americans wouldn't do."
                                           - unknown protester

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#117710

In article <dJednXoaLJ5LsOrGnZ2dnUU7-U2dnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
<bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:

> 
> > 1st trillion $ company, hacked by a kid.  SMH.
> 
> Saudi Aramco is worth much, much more than $1T and has been hacked 
> numerous times.  Not sure if it was "kids" though.

<https://www.forbes.com/sites/uhenergy/2017/06/21/how-much-is-saudi-aram
co-worth-it-depends-on-the-countrys-institutions/#63727dce7b83>
  The eventual valuation of Aramco is hotly disputed. The Saudis have
  thrown out a figure of $2 trillion. Analysts doubt this figure. Some
  put the valuation as low as $500 billion, which would mean a lean
  diversification fund of $25 billion.

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#117716

On 2018-08-17 17:31, nospam wrote:
> In article <dJednXoaLJ5LsOrGnZ2dnUU7-U2dnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
> <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
> 
>>
>>> 1st trillion $ company, hacked by a kid.  SMH.
>>
>> Saudi Aramco is worth much, much more than $1T and has been hacked
>> numerous times.  Not sure if it was "kids" though.
> 
> <https://www.forbes.com/sites/uhenergy/2017/06/21/how-much-is-saudi-aram
> co-worth-it-depends-on-the-countrys-institutions/#63727dce7b83>
>    The eventual valuation of Aramco is hotly disputed. The Saudis have
>    thrown out a figure of $2 trillion. Analysts doubt this figure. Some
>    put the valuation as low as $500 billion, which would mean a lean
>    diversification fund of $25 billion.
> 

"Worth of a company" is a highly context-dependent term. In the USA, it 
most often means "capitalization value" (cap value), ie, the value of 
the outstanding shares.  Elatedly, a lot of companies have used the 
Trump tax-break to buy back their shares, which paradoxically can reduce 
the company's cap value. Cap value is not the same as market value, 
which you really can't know until the company is acquired or merged with 
another company. Share value is a bet on the future earnings, so cap 
value is somewhat of an illusion. Delusion, in some cases. Market value 
is also a bet on the future, so it too is somewhat of an illusion or 
delusion (the latter is often the case, as a "write-down of 
acquisitions" a year or three later demonstrates). Then there's social 
worth, a concept that some economists are beginning to explore. 
Accountants use still other measures of worth when they prepare the 
annual balance sheet. Etc.

So of course the valuation of Aramco is "hotly disputed."

-- 
Wolf K
kirkwood40.blogspot.com
Do you know what they call alternative medicine that’s been proven to 
work? Medicine. (T. Minchin)

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#117717

In article <TSUdD.172687$UX7.97786@fx43.iad>, Wolf K
<wolfmac@sympatico.ca> wrote:

> >>> 1st trillion $ company, hacked by a kid.  SMH.
> >>
> >> Saudi Aramco is worth much, much more than $1T and has been hacked
> >> numerous times.  Not sure if it was "kids" though.
> > 
> > <https://www.forbes.com/sites/uhenergy/2017/06/21/how-much-is-saudi-aram
> > co-worth-it-depends-on-the-countrys-institutions/#63727dce7b83>
> >    The eventual valuation of Aramco is hotly disputed. The Saudis have
> >    thrown out a figure of $2 trillion. Analysts doubt this figure. Some
> >    put the valuation as low as $500 billion, which would mean a lean
> >    diversification fund of $25 billion.
> 
> "Worth of a company" is a highly context-dependent term. In the USA, it 
> most often means "capitalization value" (cap value), ie, the value of 
> the outstanding shares.  Elatedly, a lot of companies have used the 
> Trump tax-break to buy back their shares, which paradoxically can reduce 
> the company's cap value. Cap value is not the same as market value, 
> which you really can't know until the company is acquired or merged with 
> another company. Share value is a bet on the future earnings, so cap 
> value is somewhat of an illusion. Delusion, in some cases. Market value 
> is also a bet on the future, so it too is somewhat of an illusion or 
> delusion (the latter is often the case, as a "write-down of 
> acquisitions" a year or three later demonstrates). Then there's social 
> worth, a concept that some economists are beginning to explore. 
> Accountants use still other measures of worth when they prepare the 
> annual balance sheet. Etc.

market cap is not an illusion nor a bet.

it's basic math: number of shares * share price. very simple.

> So of course the valuation of Aramco is "hotly disputed."

it's hotly disputed because their shares are not publicly traded at
this time. 

<https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/19/saudi-aramco-is-expected-to-list-only-o
n-saudi-stock-exchange-next-year-dow-jones-citing-sources.html>
  Saudi Arabia's state-owned oil giant Aramco, the world's largest oil
  company, is walking back plans for a massive public share offering on
  an international exchange.

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#117718

On 2018-08-18 10:28, nospam wrote:

[...]
> market cap is not an illusion nor a bet.
> 
> it's basic math: number of shares * share price. very simple.
[...]

I was talking about the meaning(s) of the numbers.

It's like test scores. 50% correct may be a pass in one context, while 
another context requires at least 80% correct.

Have a good day.

-- 
Wolf K
kirkwood40.blogspot.com
Do you know what they call alternative medicine that’s been proven to 
work? Medicine. (T. Minchin)

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#117741

In article <llWdD.50149$Xt.9681@fx16.iad>
Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
> On 2018-08-18 10:28, nospam wrote:
>
> [...]
> > market cap is not an illusion nor a bet.
> >
> > it's basic math: number of shares * share price. very simple.
> [...]
>
> I was talking about the meaning(s) of the numbers.
>
> It's like test scores. 50% correct may be a pass in one context, while
> another context requires at least 80% correct.

A 50% test score means you're pretty fucking dumb.  Consider 
grading on a curve.  Liberals are generally the lowest scores in 
the curve because they are lazy and always fucking off.  
Conservatives raise the curve because they do well and work 
harder in more difficult areas of study.

> Have a good day.

Ditto.

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#117740

In article <180820181028304063%nospam@nospam.invalid>
nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
> In article <TSUdD.172687$UX7.97786@fx43.iad>, Wolf K
> <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
> > >>> 1st trillion $ company, hacked by a kid.  SMH.
> > >>
> > >> Saudi Aramco is worth much, much more than $1T and has been hacked
> > >> numerous times.  Not sure if it was "kids" though.
> > >
> > > <https://www.forbes.com/sites/uhenergy/2017/06/21/how-much-is-saudi-aram
> > > co-worth-it-depends-on-the-countrys-institutions/#63727dce7b83>
> > >    The eventual valuation of Aramco is hotly disputed. The Saudis have
> > >    thrown out a figure of $2 trillion. Analysts doubt this figure. Some
> > >    put the valuation as low as $500 billion, which would mean a lean
> > >    diversification fund of $25 billion.
> >
> > "Worth of a company" is a highly context-dependent term. In the USA, it
> > most often means "capitalization value" (cap value), ie, the value of
> > the outstanding shares.  Elatedly, a lot of companies have used the
> > Trump tax-break to buy back their shares, which paradoxically can reduce
> > the company's cap value. Cap value is not the same as market value,
> > which you really can't know until the company is acquired or merged with
> > another company. Share value is a bet on the future earnings, so cap
> > value is somewhat of an illusion. Delusion, in some cases. Market value
> > is also a bet on the future, so it too is somewhat of an illusion or
> > delusion (the latter is often the case, as a "write-down of
> > acquisitions" a year or three later demonstrates). Then there's social
> > worth, a concept that some economists are beginning to explore.
> > Accountants use still other measures of worth when they prepare the
> > annual balance sheet. Etc.
>
> market cap is not an illusion nor a bet.
>
> it's basic math: number of shares * share price. very simple.

That is a half-assed explanation by one of our lower half 50%ers.

The correct answer is mcap = share price * (# of shares 
outstanding -{treasury stock}).

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#117726

On 8/17/18   PDT 2:31 PM, nospam wrote:
> In article <dJednXoaLJ5LsOrGnZ2dnUU7-U2dnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
> <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
> 

Could you please omit the troll groups if you must reply?

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