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  Re: Why doesn't Apple just let you manage your iOS file system natively on Windows? Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-08-15 18:26 +0000
    Re: Why doesn't Apple just let you manage your iOS file system natively on Windows? Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2018-08-15 11:37 -0700
      Re: Why doesn't Apple just let you manage your iOS file system natively on Windows? Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-08-15 19:33 +0000
        Re: Why doesn't Apple just let you manage your iOS file system natively on Windows? Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2018-08-15 12:39 -0700
          Re: Why doesn't Apple just let you manage your iOS file system natively on Windows? Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-08-15 20:24 +0000
            Re: Why doesn't Apple just let you manage your iOS file system natively on Windows? Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2018-08-15 13:26 -0700
              Re: Why doesn't Apple just let you manage your iOS file system natively on Windows? Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-08-16 00:16 +0000
                Re: Why doesn't Apple just let you manage your iOS file system natively on Windows? Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2018-08-15 17:21 -0700
                  Re: Why doesn't Apple just let you manage your iOS file system natively on Windows? Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-08-16 02:42 +0000
                    Re: Why doesn't Apple just let you manage your iOS file system natively on Windows? MikeS <MikeS@fred.com> - 2018-08-17 19:31 +0100
                      Re: Why doesn't Apple just let you manage your iOS file system natively on Windows? Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2018-08-17 13:19 -0700
                        Re: Why doesn't Apple just let you manage your iOS file system natively on Windows? John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2018-08-18 20:12 -0700
        Re: Why doesn't Apple just let you manage your iOS file system natively on Windows? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-15 15:48 -0400
          Re: Why doesn't Apple just let you manage your iOS file system natively on Windows? Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-08-15 20:35 +0000
            Re: Why doesn't Apple just let you manage your iOS file system natively on Windows? Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2018-08-15 13:41 -0700
              Re: Why doesn't Apple just let you manage your iOS file system natively on Windows? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-15 17:24 -0400
                Re: Why doesn't Apple just let you manage your iOS file system natively on Windows? Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-08-16 03:02 +0000
                  Re: Why doesn't Apple just let you manage your iOS file system natively on Windows? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-15 23:40 -0400
                    Re: Why doesn't Apple just let you manage your iOS file system natively on Windows? Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-08-16 06:23 +0000
                      Re: Why doesn't Apple just let you manage your iOS file system natively on Windows? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-16 09:11 -0400
                        Re: Why doesn't Apple just let you manage your iOS file system natively on Windows? Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-08-16 14:06 +0000
              Re: Why doesn't Apple just let you manage your iOS file system natively on Windows? Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-08-16 04:15 +0000
                Re: Why doesn't Apple just let you manage your iOS file system natively on Windows? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-16 00:27 -0400
                  Re: Why doesn't Apple just let you manage your iOS file system natively on Windows? Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-08-16 06:27 +0000
            Re: Why doesn't Apple just let you manage your iOS file system natively on Windows? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-15 17:24 -0400
              Re: Why doesn't Apple just let you manage your iOS file system natively on Windows? Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-08-16 06:29 +0000
                Re: Why doesn't Apple just let you manage your iOS file system natively on Windows? Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2018-08-15 23:33 -0700
                  Re: Why doesn't Apple just let you manage your iOS file system natively on Windows? Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-08-16 06:38 +0000
                    Re: Why doesn't Apple just let you manage your iOS file system natively on Windows? Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2018-08-15 23:59 -0700

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#117701

On 16 Aug 2018 06:11:53 GMT, nospam wrote:

> wrong.
> 
>> from Oct 26, 2017 for heaven's sake!
> 
> wrong*2.
> 
> the date is very clearly visible:
> <http://www.iphoneforums.net/attachments/a986329a-82a9-4abd-bfdf-514132f
> 522f6-png.37469/>
> 
> you really are that stupid.

Hehhehheh ... 
You don't even know from what thread you got those screenshots!
I do ... since they're in the thread I authored for God's sake.

I recognized them instantly - you _still_ don't know where they came from.

The funny thing about facts is that when you Apple Apologists try to
"prove" a fact wrong, you end up proving that you're all idiots,
particularly this set of well-known Apple Apologist idiots...
Lewis, nospam, Jolly Roger, Savageduck, BK@onRamp, Alan Baker, etc.

Does iOS 10 & iOS 11 iPhone 7 Field Test Mode output femtocell unique cell id numbers & tower freqs 
http://www.iphoneforums.net/threads/does-ios-10-ios-11-iphone-7-field-test-mode-output-femtocell-unique-cell-id-numbers-tower-freqs.80737/

Does iOS 10 & iOS 11 iPhone 7 Field Test Mode output femtocell unique cell
id numbers & tower freqs

Every thread on the iPhone "Field Test Mode on the Internet is either about
how to enter FTM or about what was dropped between releases (e.g., from 10
to 11 they dropped the decibel reading) or the FTM threads are about how to
get the field strength from bars to decibels - but those common questions
about FTM are not my question at all so my question is a new unique
question.

I'm asking only if the Apple iPhone 7 field test mode reports the actual
cell id of local femtotowers and cellular frequencies, which are never
going to be in an Internet lookup database (since they're installed in
people's houses, and they're managed by the carriers like T-Mobile,
Verizon, Sprint, AT&T, etc.).

(*3001#12345#*) > Serving Cell Info > {Cell Identity, Physical Cell ID}

If you don't know what a femtotower is, it's a usually free device that the
carrier gives you if your signal is low, where the femtotower is a box that
hooks to your router which turns into a low-power cellular tower, which is
designed to cover your property and your house. The reason I care for the
unique cell id and frequencies is because there are multiple femto-towers
in my area for my carrier, and I want to know if the cell id is reported
correctly in the field test mode screen.

Note that the field test mode screen reports something called "cell id" and
"physical cell id", but they could easily be from an Internet lookup, which
is always going to be wrong for a femto-tower (which will never be on the
Internet databases like those from OpenSignal test reports).

Does the iOS 10 & iOS 11 iPhone 7 Field Test Mode output femtotower unique
cell id numbers & tower frequencies? (How do you know that the number
reported is the correct one for the femtotower and not just a number from
an Internet database lookup?)

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#117692

On 15 Aug 2018 13:41:02 GMT, Alan Baker wrote:

> The first of those screenshots clearly shows the cell tower ID.

I realize facts are anathema to you Apple Apologists, so I will simply ask
reasonable adults to look here which explains why that screenshot from
nospam is a deliberate farce.

 It's a fact current iOS devices can't even report the correct cell tower ID 
 <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/2F_24NrIU3Q/t7_jS4zyAgAJ>

Bear in mind, there's a huge difference between guessing at a cell tower ID
(generally based on a flawed Internet lookup based on geolocation
statistics of reported tower locations) and *directly* obtaining the
"correct" cell tower ID (especially when, in the case of femtocells, where
the cell tower ID won't be found in the numerous Internet lookup
databases).

See also:
 Is there a reason (what is the reason) Apple iOS won't let users get the cell tower ID? 
 <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/1QKD-6c06_w[201-225]>

 Which app do you use to scan/debug GSM/CDMA cellular tower signal strength? 
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/LizlMNsu49Q/oQJXKyX-CAAJ>

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#117693

In article <pl2tot$tib$2@news.mixmin.net>, Arlen Holder
<arlenholder@nospam.net> wrote:

> 
> > The first of those screenshots clearly shows the cell tower ID.
> 
> I realize facts are anathema to you Apple Apologists, so I will simply ask
> reasonable adults to look here which explains why that screenshot from
> nospam is a deliberate farce.

*you* are a deliberate farce.

>  It's a fact current iOS devices can't even report the correct cell tower ID 

it's a fact they can, and do. 

it's also a fact that you are a troll, a very stupid one.

> <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/2F_24NrIU3Q/t7_jS4zy
> AgAJ>

linking to a thread where you spew the same bullshit under one of your
alternate nyms is not proof of anything.

> Bear in mind, there's a huge difference between guessing at a cell tower ID
> (generally based on a flawed Internet lookup based on geolocation
> statistics of reported tower locations) and *directly* obtaining the
> "correct" cell tower ID (especially when, in the case of femtocells, where
> the cell tower ID won't be found in the numerous Internet lookup
> databases).

bear in mind, you're full of shit. 

it gets the tower id from the tower itself. 

there is no internet lookup.

<http://www.iphoneforums.net/attachments/a986329a-82a9-4abd-bfdf-514132f
522f6-png.37469/>

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#117695

On 15 Aug 2018 21:27:03 GMT, nospam wrote:

> bear in mind, you're full of shit.

Bear in mind you're repeating screenshots from *my own thread* for heaven's
sake ... where the guy who posted them didn't know what they showed and
where the question was clearly about obtaining the unique femtocell cell
tower ids.

 Oct 26, 2017 
 Does iOS 10 & iOS 11 iPhone 7 Field Test Mode output femtocell unique cell id numbers & tower freqs

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#117686

In article <pl22qj$kt0$1@news.mixmin.net>, Arlen Holder
<arlenholder@nospam.net> wrote:

> 
> > nonsense. 
> > 
> > of course they can, as you've been repeatedly told and which you
> > repeatedly ignore.
> > 
> > <http://www.iphoneforums.net/attachments/a986329a-82a9-4abd-bfdf-514132f
> > 522f6-png.37469/>
> > <http://www.iphoneforums.net/attachments/3472dd2a-ab33-4309-8719-5e9102c
> > 7570c-png.37471/>
> > <http://www.iphoneforums.net/attachments/b2d960fc-d1f5-4be6-a3f6-e1fdbd3
> > de5ad-png.37472/>
> > 
> > also note the date, november 2017, which shatters your usual excuse
> > that it's 'an old version of ios and was removed'.
> 
> Another trait of the Apple Apologists is to claim a functionality simply by
> showing a screenshot which doesn't actually show the claimed functionality.

it shows the claimed functionality.

just what do you think 'physical cell id' means?
<http://www.iphoneforums.net/attachments/a986329a-82a9-4abd-bfdf-514132f
522f6-png.37469/>

i'm quite sure you haven't any clue what the rest of the information
means, so i won't embarrass you further.

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#117696

On 15 Aug 2018 14:24:10 GMT, nospam wrote:

> it shows the claimed functionality.

You're repeating screenshots from *my own thread* for heaven's sake ...
where the guy who posted them didn't know what they showed and where the
question was clearly about obtaining the unique femtocell cell tower ids
and actual tower frequencies.

 Oct 26, 2017 
 Does iOS 10 & iOS 11 iPhone 7 Field Test Mode output femtocell unique cell id numbers & tower freqs

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#117697

On 2018-08-15 11:29 PM, Arlen Holder wrote:
> On 15 Aug 2018 14:24:10 GMT, nospam wrote:
> 
>> it shows the claimed functionality.
> 
> You're repeating screenshots from *my own thread* for heaven's sake ...

Which only shows you know your claim to be false.

> where the guy who posted them didn't know what they showed and where the
> question was clearly about obtaining the unique femtocell cell tower ids
> and actual tower frequencies.

And what evidence do you have that those aren't "unique femtocell cell 
tower ids"?

> 
>   Oct 26, 2017
>   Does iOS 10 & iOS 11 iPhone 7 Field Test Mode output femtocell unique cell id numbers & tower freqs
> 

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#117698

On 15 Aug 2018 23:33:31 GMT, Alan Baker wrote:

> And what evidence do you have that those aren't "unique femtocell cell 
> tower ids"?

Have you ever seen a unique femtocell cell tower ID?

HINT: I have (I own one. Plus I own a cellular repeater. Each reports the
unique information differently - which is easily shown on Android.)

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#117699

On 2018-08-15 11:38 PM, Arlen Holder wrote:
> On 15 Aug 2018 23:33:31 GMT, Alan Baker wrote:
> 
>> And what evidence do you have that those aren't "unique femtocell cell
>> tower ids"?
> 
> Have you ever seen a unique femtocell cell tower ID?
> 
> HINT: I have (I own one. Plus I own a cellular repeater. Each reports the
> unique information differently - which is easily shown on Android.)
> 

And yet, you do not show any actual reference to prove anything you just 
said...

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