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Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX.

Started byFritz Wuehler <fritz@spamexpire-201610.rodent.frell.theremailer.net>
First post2016-10-03 15:35 +0000
Last post2016-10-04 14:51 -0500
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  Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Fritz Wuehler <fritz@spamexpire-201610.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> - 2016-10-03 15:35 +0000
    Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-03 16:12 +0000
      Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. "Mongoose" <mongoose@rikkitikkitavi.com> - 2016-10-03 12:26 -0400
        Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-03 12:36 -0400
          Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2016-10-03 12:59 -0400
            Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-03 13:16 -0400
              Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Anonymous <nobody@roance.net> - 2016-10-03 17:30 -0400
                Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2016-10-03 15:22 -0700
                  Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-03 18:38 -0400
                  Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2016-10-03 22:20 -0400
                    Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-03 22:51 -0400
                      Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2016-10-03 23:56 -0400
                    Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2016-10-03 20:55 -0700
                      Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2016-10-04 09:10 -0400
                        Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2016-10-04 10:04 -0700
                          Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2016-10-04 14:21 -0400
                            Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2016-10-04 22:14 -0400
                              Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. "Jonathan N. Little" <lws4art@gmail.com> - 2016-10-04 23:14 -0400
                Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2016-10-03 16:06 -0700
                  Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2016-10-03 22:29 -0400
                    Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2016-10-03 20:55 -0700
                      Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2016-10-04 09:12 -0400
                    Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. PAS <abc@doremi.net> - 2016-10-04 10:03 -0400
                      Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2016-10-04 10:17 -0400
                      Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-04 09:44 -0500
          Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. "Mongoose" <mongoose@rikkitikkitavi.com> - 2016-10-03 16:08 -0400
            Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-03 16:31 -0400
            Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-03 16:46 -0400
              Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. "Mongoose" <mongoose@rikkitikkitavi.com> - 2016-10-03 18:26 -0400
                Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-03 18:38 -0400
                  Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2016-10-03 22:25 -0400
                    Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2016-10-03 21:08 -0700
                      Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2016-10-04 09:24 -0400
                      Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. GreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com> - 2016-10-04 14:22 -0600
                        Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2016-10-05 01:40 -0700
                          Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. GreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com> - 2016-10-05 11:05 -0600
                            Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-05 16:18 -0400
                              Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-10-05 22:45 +0200
                                Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-05 16:50 -0400
                                  Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-05 16:53 -0400
                                    Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-05 17:15 -0400
                                      Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-05 22:48 -0400
                                        Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2016-10-06 09:22 -0400
                                        Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-06 09:50 -0400
                                  Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-10-05 23:07 +0200
                                    Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-05 17:08 -0400
                                      Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-10-05 23:17 +0200
                                        Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-05 17:22 -0400
                                        Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-05 22:48 -0400
                                      Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. GreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com> - 2016-10-05 18:05 -0600
                                        Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-05 22:48 -0400
                                          Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. GreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com> - 2016-10-06 11:07 -0600
                                            Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-06 15:33 -0400
                                              Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. GreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com> - 2016-10-06 16:22 -0600
                                        Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-06 09:44 -0400
                                          Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-06 09:47 -0400
                                            Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-06 10:08 -0400
                                          Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2016-10-06 15:07 +0100
                                            Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. GreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com> - 2016-10-06 11:08 -0600
                                          Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2016-10-06 10:33 -0700
                                            Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-06 16:43 -0400
                                              Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-06 16:48 -0400
                                              Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2016-10-06 14:56 -0700
                                                Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-06 18:53 -0400
                                                  Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2016-10-06 16:04 -0700
                                                Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-06 18:59 -0400
                                                  Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2016-10-06 16:08 -0700
                                                    Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-06 19:31 -0400
                                                      Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2016-10-06 16:43 -0700
                                                      Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2016-10-07 00:44 +0100
                                                        Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-07 06:40 -0500
                                                      Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-06 19:45 -0400
                                                        Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. GreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com> - 2016-10-06 19:12 -0600
                                                          Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-06 22:19 -0400
                                                            Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. GreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com> - 2016-10-07 12:25 -0600
                                                  Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-06 19:09 -0400
                                    Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-05 17:18 -0400
                                      Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-10-05 23:21 +0200
                                        Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-05 17:34 -0400
                                          Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-10-05 23:42 +0200
                                            Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-05 17:53 -0400
                                              Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-10-06 00:17 +0200
                                                Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-05 18:26 -0400
                                                  Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-10-06 00:45 +0200
                                                    Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-06 09:09 -0400
                                                      Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-10-06 15:22 +0200
                                                      Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. "Jonathan N. Little" <lws4art@gmail.com> - 2016-10-06 09:34 -0400
                                                        Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-06 10:02 -0400
                                                Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-10-06 00:32 +0200
                                                  Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2016-10-05 19:03 -0400
                                            Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-10-06 00:30 +0200
                                              Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-10-06 00:46 +0200
                                                Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-10-06 00:58 +0200
                                      Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-05 22:48 -0400
                                        Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-06 09:54 -0400
                                          Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-06 09:57 -0400
                                            Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-06 10:14 -0400
                                              Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-06 15:33 -0400
                                                Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-06 16:56 -0400
                                                  Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. GreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com> - 2016-10-06 16:24 -0600
                                                    Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-06 18:54 -0400
                                        Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. GreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com> - 2016-10-06 11:13 -0600
                                          Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-06 15:33 -0400
                                            Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-10-06 23:49 +0200
                                              Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2016-10-06 15:00 -0700
                                                Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-10-07 00:05 +0200
                                                  Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2016-10-06 15:31 -0700
                                                    Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. GreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com> - 2016-10-06 19:15 -0600
                                                      Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-06 22:19 -0400
                                                      Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2016-10-07 00:01 -0700
                                                        Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. GreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com> - 2016-10-07 12:28 -0600
                                    Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-10-05 23:23 +0200
                                  Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2016-10-05 16:40 -0700
                                    Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-10-05 20:29 -0400
                                    Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-05 22:48 -0400
                                Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. GreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com> - 2016-10-05 18:02 -0600
                                  Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-05 22:48 -0400
                                    Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. GreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com> - 2016-10-06 11:19 -0600
                              Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-05 16:51 -0400
                                Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-10-05 23:04 +0200
                                  Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-05 17:05 -0400
                                    Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-05 17:16 -0400
                                    Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-10-05 23:16 +0200
                                Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. GreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com> - 2016-10-05 18:10 -0600
                                  Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-05 22:48 -0400
                                    Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. GreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com> - 2016-10-06 11:21 -0600
                                      Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-06 15:33 -0400
                                        Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. GreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com> - 2016-10-06 16:27 -0600
                                          Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2016-10-06 15:33 -0700
                                            Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-06 19:00 -0400
                                              Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2016-10-06 16:09 -0700
                                                Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-06 19:36 -0400
                                                  Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2016-10-06 16:42 -0700
                                            Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. GreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com> - 2016-10-06 19:20 -0600
                                              Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-06 22:19 -0400
                                                Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. GreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com> - 2016-10-07 12:31 -0600
                                                  Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-07 14:43 -0400
                                  Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2016-10-05 22:07 -0700
                                    Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. GreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com> - 2016-10-06 11:22 -0600
                                      Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2016-10-06 10:36 -0700
                                        Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. GreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com> - 2016-10-06 16:32 -0600
                              Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. GreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com> - 2016-10-05 18:01 -0600
                                Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-06 09:42 -0400
                            Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2016-10-06 16:20 -0700
                              Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. GreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com> - 2016-10-06 19:28 -0600
                                Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Rene Lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca> - 2016-10-06 21:03 -0500
                                  Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. bill van <billvan@delete.shaw.ca> - 2016-10-06 19:18 -0700
                                  Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2016-10-06 19:27 -0700
                                  Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. GreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com> - 2016-10-07 12:33 -0600
                                    Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-10-07 20:41 +0200
                                      Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. GreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com> - 2016-10-07 13:37 -0600
                                Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2016-10-07 00:00 -0700
                    Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-10-03 22:32 -0700
                      Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2016-10-04 09:42 -0400
                Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2016-10-03 15:59 -0700
              Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2016-10-03 22:16 -0400
                Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-03 22:51 -0400
                  Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2016-10-03 23:51 -0400
                    Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-03 23:55 -0400
                      Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2016-10-04 09:21 -0400
                        Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-04 10:29 -0400
        Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2016-10-03 10:26 -0700
          Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-03 14:09 -0400
            Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2016-10-03 11:19 -0700
              Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-03 14:27 -0400
                Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2016-10-03 11:35 -0700
                  Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-03 14:56 -0400
                    Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2016-10-03 11:59 -0700
                    Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-03 15:01 -0400
                      Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2016-10-03 12:07 -0700
                        Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-03 15:35 -0400
                          Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2016-10-03 12:43 -0700
                        Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2016-10-03 15:36 -0400
                          Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2016-10-03 12:45 -0700
            Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Jim Polaski <jpolaski@linuxmail.org> - 2016-10-03 20:54 +0000
              Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-03 17:17 -0400
              Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. GreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com> - 2016-10-03 16:48 -0600
                Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Jim Polaski <jpolaski@linuxmail.org> - 2016-10-03 22:55 +0000
                  Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-03 19:04 -0400
                    Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Jim Polaski <jpolaski@linuxmail.org> - 2016-10-03 23:17 +0000
                  Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. GreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com> - 2016-10-03 19:30 -0600
    Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. nmassello@yahoo.com (Neill Massello) - 2016-10-03 16:01 -0600
      Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2016-10-17 10:00 -0700
    Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. pinnerite <pinnerite@gmail.com> - 2016-10-04 20:16 +0100
      Re: Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-04 14:51 -0500

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#95288

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2016-10-05 17:05 -0400
Message-ID<051020161705202820%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#95287
In article <nt3prt$d5d$1@dont-email.me>, Peter Köhlmann
<peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote:

> >> Regardless of what Mac heads tell you, OS X is slow no matter what
> >> kind of processor or amount of memory you throw at it.
> > 
> > benchmarks show that to be complete rubbish.
> 
> Benchmarks show apples HFS to be the slowest filesystem of all, by a *very* 
> wide margin. The second slowest FS is NTFS from MS, and that is nearly twice 
> as fast

nonsense.

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#95292

FromSilver Slimer <.m@nsn.s>
Date2016-10-05 17:16 -0400
Message-ID<nt3qi8$ers$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#95288
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On 2016-10-05 5:05 PM, nospam wrote:
> In article <nt3prt$d5d$1@dont-email.me>, Peter Köhlmann 
> <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote:
> 
>>>> Regardless of what Mac heads tell you, OS X is slow no matter
>>>> what kind of processor or amount of memory you throw at it.
>>> 
>>> benchmarks show that to be complete rubbish.
>> 
>> Benchmarks show apples HFS to be the slowest filesystem of all,
>> by a *very* wide margin. The second slowest FS is NTFS from MS,
>> and that is nearly twice as fast
> 
> nonsense.

I think we finally found a bigger liar than Tim Kaine.

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#95293

FromPeter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de>
Date2016-10-05 23:16 +0200
Message-ID<nt3qjd$fui$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#95288
nospam wrote:

> In article <nt3prt$d5d$1@dont-email.me>, Peter Köhlmann
> <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote:
> 
>> >> Regardless of what Mac heads tell you, OS X is slow no matter what
>> >> kind of processor or amount of memory you throw at it.
>> > 
>> > benchmarks show that to be complete rubbish.
>> 
>> Benchmarks show apples HFS to be the slowest filesystem of all, by a
>> *very* wide margin. The second slowest FS is NTFS from MS, and that is
>> nearly twice as fast
> 
> nonsense.

Idiot

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#95315

FromGreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com>
Date2016-10-05 18:10 -0600
Message-ID<nt44op$d5j$6@dont-email.me>
In reply to#95285
On 10/05/2016 02:51 PM, nospam wrote:
> In article <nt3n6r$2o2$3@dont-email.me>, Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> wrote:
> 
>>
>> Regardless of what Mac heads tell you, OS X is slow no matter what
>> kind of processor or amount of memory you throw at it. 
> 
> benchmarks show that to be complete rubbish.
> 
>> Apple is happy
>> to see you spend the money but reward you with nothing at all. I
>> recall getting my parents to pay for a 4GB upgrade on their Mac Mini
>> to bring the total to 8GB. There's a 5400 RPM HD in there but even
>> that kind of old technology would work relatively well with Linux or
>> Windows on it. On the Mac? Disgusting. My parents felt _no change_
>> from 4GB to 8GB despiet assurances from zealots that the experience
>> would be fantastic. 
> 
> that only means that you weren't memory bound.
> 
>> Maybe things will change once the filesystem is
>> replaced (did it happen yet?) but I doubt it; optimization is
>> something absolutely no one at Apple can even spell much less implement.
> 
> nonsense.
> 
Why does the Apple Terminal program take 7 seconds to finally show a
prompt then?

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#95324

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2016-10-05 22:48 -0400
Message-ID<051020162248469096%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#95315
In article <nt44op$d5j$6@dont-email.me>, GreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com>
wrote:

> >> Regardless of what Mac heads tell you, OS X is slow no matter what
> >> kind of processor or amount of memory you throw at it. 
> > 
> > benchmarks show that to be complete rubbish.
> > 
> >> Apple is happy
> >> to see you spend the money but reward you with nothing at all. I
> >> recall getting my parents to pay for a 4GB upgrade on their Mac Mini
> >> to bring the total to 8GB. There's a 5400 RPM HD in there but even
> >> that kind of old technology would work relatively well with Linux or
> >> Windows on it. On the Mac? Disgusting. My parents felt _no change_
> >> from 4GB to 8GB despiet assurances from zealots that the experience
> >> would be fantastic. 
> > 
> > that only means that you weren't memory bound.
> > 
> >> Maybe things will change once the filesystem is
> >> replaced (did it happen yet?) but I doubt it; optimization is
> >> something absolutely no one at Apple can even spell much less implement.
> > 
> > nonsense.
> > 
> Why does the Apple Terminal program take 7 seconds to finally show a
> prompt then?

because something is wrong with your system, and instead of trying to
diagnose the issue and resolve it, you'd rather bitch and moan.

it takes about 1-2 seconds to cold-launch terminal on a 2008 macbook i
happen to have, while on 2013 mac (which still is not the latest and
greatest), terminal launches instantly. it's too fast to even measure.
double-click terminal and there's a prompt.

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#95351

FromGreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com>
Date2016-10-06 11:21 -0600
Message-ID<nt616k$o40$4@dont-email.me>
In reply to#95324
On 10/05/2016 08:48 PM, nospam wrote:
> In article <nt44op$d5j$6@dont-email.me>, GreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com>
> wrote:
> 
>>>> Regardless of what Mac heads tell you, OS X is slow no matter what
>>>> kind of processor or amount of memory you throw at it. 
>>>
>>> benchmarks show that to be complete rubbish.
>>>
>>>> Apple is happy
>>>> to see you spend the money but reward you with nothing at all. I
>>>> recall getting my parents to pay for a 4GB upgrade on their Mac Mini
>>>> to bring the total to 8GB. There's a 5400 RPM HD in there but even
>>>> that kind of old technology would work relatively well with Linux or
>>>> Windows on it. On the Mac? Disgusting. My parents felt _no change_
>>>> from 4GB to 8GB despiet assurances from zealots that the experience
>>>> would be fantastic. 
>>>
>>> that only means that you weren't memory bound.
>>>
>>>> Maybe things will change once the filesystem is
>>>> replaced (did it happen yet?) but I doubt it; optimization is
>>>> something absolutely no one at Apple can even spell much less implement.
>>>
>>> nonsense.
>>>
>> Why does the Apple Terminal program take 7 seconds to finally show a
>> prompt then?
> 
> because something is wrong with your system, and instead of trying to
> diagnose the issue and resolve it, you'd rather bitch and moan.
> 
> it takes about 1-2 seconds to cold-launch terminal on a 2008 macbook i
> happen to have, while on 2013 mac (which still is not the latest and
> greatest), terminal launches instantly. it's too fast to even measure.
> double-click terminal and there's a prompt.
> 

It was right there on my old 2007 iMac.  On this new one it seems to
take forever.
Also, on boot up, and logging into my account, it seems that all the
services are very slow in starting up.  I may have to call up Apple on
this one, since I have paid support.

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#95357

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2016-10-06 15:33 -0400
Message-ID<061020161533014225%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#95351
In article <nt616k$o40$4@dont-email.me>, GreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com>
wrote:


> >>>
> >> Why does the Apple Terminal program take 7 seconds to finally show a
> >> prompt then?
> > 
> > because something is wrong with your system, and instead of trying to
> > diagnose the issue and resolve it, you'd rather bitch and moan.
> > 
> > it takes about 1-2 seconds to cold-launch terminal on a 2008 macbook i
> > happen to have, while on 2013 mac (which still is not the latest and
> > greatest), terminal launches instantly. it's too fast to even measure.
> > double-click terminal and there's a prompt.
> > 
> 
> It was right there on my old 2007 iMac.  On this new one it seems to
> take forever.

then something is wrong.

> Also, on boot up, and logging into my account, it seems that all the
> services are very slow in starting up.  I may have to call up Apple on
> this one, since I have paid support.

yes you do.

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#95379

FromGreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com>
Date2016-10-06 16:27 -0600
Message-ID<nt6j3u$ufh$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#95357
On 10/06/2016 01:33 PM, nospam wrote:
> In article <nt616k$o40$4@dont-email.me>, GreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com>
> wrote:
> 
> 
>>>>>
>>>> Why does the Apple Terminal program take 7 seconds to finally show a
>>>> prompt then?
>>>
>>> because something is wrong with your system, and instead of trying to
>>> diagnose the issue and resolve it, you'd rather bitch and moan.
>>>
>>> it takes about 1-2 seconds to cold-launch terminal on a 2008 macbook i
>>> happen to have, while on 2013 mac (which still is not the latest and
>>> greatest), terminal launches instantly. it's too fast to even measure.
>>> double-click terminal and there's a prompt.
>>>
>>
>> It was right there on my old 2007 iMac.  On this new one it seems to
>> take forever.
> 
> then something is wrong.
> 
>> Also, on boot up, and logging into my account, it seems that all the
>> services are very slow in starting up.  I may have to call up Apple on
>> this one, since I have paid support.
> 
> yes you do.
> 

Guffaw!!!  And on a brand new machine no less.
Hardware tests pass.

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#95383

FromAlan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net>
Date2016-10-06 15:33 -0700
Message-ID<nt6jev$ia5$2@news.datemas.de>
In reply to#95379
On 2016-10-06 3:27 PM, GreyCloud wrote:
> On 10/06/2016 01:33 PM, nospam wrote:
>> In article <nt616k$o40$4@dont-email.me>, GreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Why does the Apple Terminal program take 7 seconds to finally show a
>>>>> prompt then?
>>>>
>>>> because something is wrong with your system, and instead of trying to
>>>> diagnose the issue and resolve it, you'd rather bitch and moan.
>>>>
>>>> it takes about 1-2 seconds to cold-launch terminal on a 2008 macbook i
>>>> happen to have, while on 2013 mac (which still is not the latest and
>>>> greatest), terminal launches instantly. it's too fast to even measure.
>>>> double-click terminal and there's a prompt.
>>>>
>>>
>>> It was right there on my old 2007 iMac.  On this new one it seems to
>>> take forever.
>>
>> then something is wrong.
>>
>>> Also, on boot up, and logging into my account, it seems that all the
>>> services are very slow in starting up.  I may have to call up Apple on
>>> this one, since I have paid support.
>>
>> yes you do.
>>
>
> Guffaw!!!  And on a brand new machine no less.
> Hardware tests pass.
>

Brand new machine...

...but is it a brand new ACCOUNT?

Did you migrate data over from an old system?

Have you tried setting up a new account, logging in to it, and then 
seeing how long the Terminal takes to launch?

Because I'm here on a year old MacBook Pro running 10.11.6, and I have 
no issues with the speed with which the prompt arrives in Terminal.

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#95390

FromSilver Slimer <.m@nsn.s>
Date2016-10-06 19:00 -0400
Message-ID<nt6l23$5k5$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#95383
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On 2016-10-06 6:33 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
> On 2016-10-06 3:27 PM, GreyCloud wrote:
>> On 10/06/2016 01:33 PM, nospam wrote:
>>> In article <nt616k$o40$4@dont-email.me>, GreyCloud
>>> <Cumulus@mist.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Why does the Apple Terminal program take 7 seconds to
>>>>>> finally show a prompt then?
>>>>> 
>>>>> because something is wrong with your system, and instead of
>>>>> trying to diagnose the issue and resolve it, you'd rather
>>>>> bitch and moan.
>>>>> 
>>>>> it takes about 1-2 seconds to cold-launch terminal on a
>>>>> 2008 macbook i happen to have, while on 2013 mac (which
>>>>> still is not the latest and greatest), terminal launches
>>>>> instantly. it's too fast to even measure. double-click
>>>>> terminal and there's a prompt.
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> It was right there on my old 2007 iMac.  On this new one it
>>>> seems to take forever.
>>> 
>>> then something is wrong.
>>> 
>>>> Also, on boot up, and logging into my account, it seems that
>>>> all the services are very slow in starting up.  I may have to
>>>> call up Apple on this one, since I have paid support.
>>> 
>>> yes you do.
>>> 
>> 
>> Guffaw!!!  And on a brand new machine no less. Hardware tests
>> pass.
>> 
> 
> Brand new machine...
> 
> ...but is it a brand new ACCOUNT?
> 
> Did you migrate data over from an old system?
> 
> Have you tried setting up a new account, logging in to it, and
> then seeing how long the Terminal takes to launch?
> 
> Because I'm here on a year old MacBook Pro running 10.11.6, and I
> have no issues with the speed with which the prompt arrives in
> Terminal.

Most likely a lie. Apple zealots _never_ tell the truth. If it took
him twenty minutes to load it, he'd still claim that there's no
problem "here."

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#95394

FromAlan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net>
Date2016-10-06 16:09 -0700
Message-ID<nt6lih$mho$3@news.datemas.de>
In reply to#95390
On 2016-10-06 4:00 PM, Silver Slimer wrote:
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> On 2016-10-06 6:33 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>> On 2016-10-06 3:27 PM, GreyCloud wrote:
>>> On 10/06/2016 01:33 PM, nospam wrote:
>>>> In article <nt616k$o40$4@dont-email.me>, GreyCloud
>>>> <Cumulus@mist.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why does the Apple Terminal program take 7 seconds to
>>>>>>> finally show a prompt then?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> because something is wrong with your system, and instead of
>>>>>> trying to diagnose the issue and resolve it, you'd rather
>>>>>> bitch and moan.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> it takes about 1-2 seconds to cold-launch terminal on a
>>>>>> 2008 macbook i happen to have, while on 2013 mac (which
>>>>>> still is not the latest and greatest), terminal launches
>>>>>> instantly. it's too fast to even measure. double-click
>>>>>> terminal and there's a prompt.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It was right there on my old 2007 iMac.  On this new one it
>>>>> seems to take forever.
>>>>
>>>> then something is wrong.
>>>>
>>>>> Also, on boot up, and logging into my account, it seems that
>>>>> all the services are very slow in starting up.  I may have to
>>>>> call up Apple on this one, since I have paid support.
>>>>
>>>> yes you do.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Guffaw!!!  And on a brand new machine no less. Hardware tests
>>> pass.
>>>
>>
>> Brand new machine...
>>
>> ...but is it a brand new ACCOUNT?
>>
>> Did you migrate data over from an old system?
>>
>> Have you tried setting up a new account, logging in to it, and
>> then seeing how long the Terminal takes to launch?
>>
>> Because I'm here on a year old MacBook Pro running 10.11.6, and I
>> have no issues with the speed with which the prompt arrives in
>> Terminal.
>
> Most likely a lie. Apple zealots _never_ tell the truth. If it took
> him twenty minutes to load it, he'd still claim that there's no
> problem "here."

Sorry, Slime, but it's the simple truth. I can make a screen movie if 
you insist on being shown to be an ass in another way...

:-)

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#95397

FromSilver Slimer <.m@nsn.s>
Date2016-10-06 19:36 -0400
Message-ID<nt6n4v$bh1$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#95394
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On 2016-10-06 7:09 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
> On 2016-10-06 4:00 PM, Silver Slimer wrote:
>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256
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>> On 2016-10-06 6:33 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>> On 2016-10-06 3:27 PM, GreyCloud wrote:
>>>> On 10/06/2016 01:33 PM, nospam wrote:
>>>>> In article <nt616k$o40$4@dont-email.me>, GreyCloud 
>>>>> <Cumulus@mist.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Why does the Apple Terminal program take 7 seconds
>>>>>>>> to finally show a prompt then?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> because something is wrong with your system, and
>>>>>>> instead of trying to diagnose the issue and resolve it,
>>>>>>> you'd rather bitch and moan.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> it takes about 1-2 seconds to cold-launch terminal on
>>>>>>> a 2008 macbook i happen to have, while on 2013 mac
>>>>>>> (which still is not the latest and greatest), terminal
>>>>>>> launches instantly. it's too fast to even measure.
>>>>>>> double-click terminal and there's a prompt.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> It was right there on my old 2007 iMac.  On this new one
>>>>>> it seems to take forever.
>>>>> 
>>>>> then something is wrong.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Also, on boot up, and logging into my account, it seems
>>>>>> that all the services are very slow in starting up.  I
>>>>>> may have to call up Apple on this one, since I have paid
>>>>>> support.
>>>>> 
>>>>> yes you do.
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Guffaw!!!  And on a brand new machine no less. Hardware
>>>> tests pass.
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> Brand new machine...
>>> 
>>> ...but is it a brand new ACCOUNT?
>>> 
>>> Did you migrate data over from an old system?
>>> 
>>> Have you tried setting up a new account, logging in to it, and 
>>> then seeing how long the Terminal takes to launch?
>>> 
>>> Because I'm here on a year old MacBook Pro running 10.11.6, and
>>> I have no issues with the speed with which the prompt arrives
>>> in Terminal.
>> 
>> Most likely a lie. Apple zealots _never_ tell the truth. If it
>> took him twenty minutes to load it, he'd still claim that there's
>> no problem "here."
> 
> Sorry, Slime, but it's the simple truth. I can make a screen movie
> if you insist on being shown to be an ass in another way...
> 
> :-)

What I'd prefer is for you to produce a video of how fast Windows 10
is in comparison to OS X on the same hardware. I _know_ that Windows
10 has your bloated operating system beat in performance in addition
to having greater hardware and software support but if you can prove
otherwise, it will be an enlightening experience to say the least.

However, I have to admit, this has nothing to do with Windows 10 or
Linux and shouldn't be posted on either newsgroup. Therefore, consider
this my final reply.

- -- 
Silver Slimer
Islam is a disease
Gab.AI: @silverslimer
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#95398

FromAlan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net>
Date2016-10-06 16:42 -0700
Message-ID<nt6ni1$pt2$2@news.datemas.de>
In reply to#95397
On 2016-10-06 4:36 PM, Silver Slimer wrote:
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>
> On 2016-10-06 7:09 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>> On 2016-10-06 4:00 PM, Silver Slimer wrote:
>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256
>>>
>>> On 2016-10-06 6:33 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>> On 2016-10-06 3:27 PM, GreyCloud wrote:
>>>>> On 10/06/2016 01:33 PM, nospam wrote:
>>>>>> In article <nt616k$o40$4@dont-email.me>, GreyCloud
>>>>>> <Cumulus@mist.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Why does the Apple Terminal program take 7 seconds
>>>>>>>>> to finally show a prompt then?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> because something is wrong with your system, and
>>>>>>>> instead of trying to diagnose the issue and resolve it,
>>>>>>>> you'd rather bitch and moan.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> it takes about 1-2 seconds to cold-launch terminal on
>>>>>>>> a 2008 macbook i happen to have, while on 2013 mac
>>>>>>>> (which still is not the latest and greatest), terminal
>>>>>>>> launches instantly. it's too fast to even measure.
>>>>>>>> double-click terminal and there's a prompt.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It was right there on my old 2007 iMac.  On this new one
>>>>>>> it seems to take forever.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> then something is wrong.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also, on boot up, and logging into my account, it seems
>>>>>>> that all the services are very slow in starting up.  I
>>>>>>> may have to call up Apple on this one, since I have paid
>>>>>>> support.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> yes you do.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Guffaw!!!  And on a brand new machine no less. Hardware
>>>>> tests pass.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Brand new machine...
>>>>
>>>> ...but is it a brand new ACCOUNT?
>>>>
>>>> Did you migrate data over from an old system?
>>>>
>>>> Have you tried setting up a new account, logging in to it, and
>>>> then seeing how long the Terminal takes to launch?
>>>>
>>>> Because I'm here on a year old MacBook Pro running 10.11.6, and
>>>> I have no issues with the speed with which the prompt arrives
>>>> in Terminal.
>>>
>>> Most likely a lie. Apple zealots _never_ tell the truth. If it
>>> took him twenty minutes to load it, he'd still claim that there's
>>> no problem "here."
>>
>> Sorry, Slime, but it's the simple truth. I can make a screen movie
>> if you insist on being shown to be an ass in another way...
>>
>> :-)
>
> What I'd prefer is for you to produce a video of how fast Windows 10
> is in comparison to OS X on the same hardware. I _know_ that Windows
> 10 has your bloated operating system beat in performance in addition
> to having greater hardware and software support but if you can prove
> otherwise, it will be an enlightening experience to say the least.

Your tacit admission that you were full of it noted.

>
> However, I have to admit, this has nothing to do with Windows 10 or
> Linux and shouldn't be posted on either newsgroup. Therefore, consider
> this my final reply.

Your utter capitulation accepted.

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#95405

FromGreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com>
Date2016-10-06 19:20 -0600
Message-ID<nt6t9a$qr3$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#95383
On 10/06/2016 04:33 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
> On 2016-10-06 3:27 PM, GreyCloud wrote:
>> On 10/06/2016 01:33 PM, nospam wrote:
>>> In article <nt616k$o40$4@dont-email.me>, GreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why does the Apple Terminal program take 7 seconds to finally show a
>>>>>> prompt then?
>>>>>
>>>>> because something is wrong with your system, and instead of trying to
>>>>> diagnose the issue and resolve it, you'd rather bitch and moan.
>>>>>
>>>>> it takes about 1-2 seconds to cold-launch terminal on a 2008 macbook i
>>>>> happen to have, while on 2013 mac (which still is not the latest and
>>>>> greatest), terminal launches instantly. it's too fast to even measure.
>>>>> double-click terminal and there's a prompt.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It was right there on my old 2007 iMac.  On this new one it seems to
>>>> take forever.
>>>
>>> then something is wrong.
>>>
>>>> Also, on boot up, and logging into my account, it seems that all the
>>>> services are very slow in starting up.  I may have to call up Apple on
>>>> this one, since I have paid support.
>>>
>>> yes you do.
>>>
>>
>> Guffaw!!!  And on a brand new machine no less.
>> Hardware tests pass.
>>
> 
> Brand new machine...
> 
> ...but is it a brand new ACCOUNT?

Not intially, so I tested it with a new account.  No soap.

> 
> Did you migrate data over from an old system?

Yes I did.

> 
> Have you tried setting up a new account, logging in to it, and then
> seeing how long the Terminal takes to launch?

Yes.

> 
> Because I'm here on a year old MacBook Pro running 10.11.6, and I have
> no issues with the speed with which the prompt arrives in Terminal.

The solution I found was this:

rm /users/username/library/preferences/com.apple.terminal.plist

I have three different accounts that were affected.  Doing this clean
them up and now the terminal app snaps up quickly.  And I sort of
suspected this but wasn't sure.

The other oddity with the system is I have to go in at least once a week
to get rid of the email zipped logs.  Each day goes by the boot up time
gets a little slower.  Once the zipped logs are gone, the system boots
up a bit faster.  Don't know why, as I found this in one of Apples
forums.  Plus I have to do the periodics in root.

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#95411

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2016-10-06 22:19 -0400
Message-ID<061020162219176727%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#95405
In article <nt6t9a$qr3$1@dont-email.me>, GreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com>
wrote:

> The other oddity with the system is I have to go in at least once a week
> to get rid of the email zipped logs.  Each day goes by the boot up time
> gets a little slower.  Once the zipped logs are gone, the system boots
> up a bit faster.  Don't know why, as I found this in one of Apples
> forums.  Plus I have to do the periodics in root.

no need.

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#95429

FromGreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com>
Date2016-10-07 12:31 -0600
Message-ID<nt8pm5$de4$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#95411
On 10/06/2016 08:19 PM, nospam wrote:
> In article <nt6t9a$qr3$1@dont-email.me>, GreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> The other oddity with the system is I have to go in at least once a week
>> to get rid of the email zipped logs.  Each day goes by the boot up time
>> gets a little slower.  Once the zipped logs are gone, the system boots
>> up a bit faster.  Don't know why, as I found this in one of Apples
>> forums.  Plus I have to do the periodics in root.
> 
> no need.
> 

Really?  Then why does the system start working good after doing the
periodics?

The system runs the email log zipping in the background and eventually,
if you don't clean those logs out, your system could get a bit clogged.
Most logging systems limit to how many logs are written, and then
deletes them, but it still helps to clean out the logs every now and then.

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#95432

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2016-10-07 14:43 -0400
Message-ID<071020161443251874%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#95429
In article <nt8pm5$de4$3@dont-email.me>, GreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com>
wrote:

> >> The other oddity with the system is I have to go in at least once a week
> >> to get rid of the email zipped logs.  Each day goes by the boot up time
> >> gets a little slower.  Once the zipped logs are gone, the system boots
> >> up a bit faster.  Don't know why, as I found this in one of Apples
> >> forums.  Plus I have to do the periodics in root.
> > 
> > no need.
> > 
> 
> Really?  Then why does the system start working good after doing the
> periodics?

you're taking about removing old logs, which is a waste of time.

the periodics run on their own. no need to manually invoke them.

> The system runs the email log zipping in the background and eventually,
> if you don't clean those logs out, your system could get a bit clogged.
> Most logging systems limit to how many logs are written, and then
> deletes them, but it still helps to clean out the logs every now and then.

nonsense.

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#95325

FromAlan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net>
Date2016-10-05 22:07 -0700
Message-ID<nt4m5o$7mh$1@news.datemas.de>
In reply to#95315
On 2016-10-05 5:10 PM, GreyCloud wrote:
> On 10/05/2016 02:51 PM, nospam wrote:
>> In article <nt3n6r$2o2$3@dont-email.me>, Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Regardless of what Mac heads tell you, OS X is slow no matter what
>>> kind of processor or amount of memory you throw at it.
>>
>> benchmarks show that to be complete rubbish.
>>
>>> Apple is happy
>>> to see you spend the money but reward you with nothing at all. I
>>> recall getting my parents to pay for a 4GB upgrade on their Mac Mini
>>> to bring the total to 8GB. There's a 5400 RPM HD in there but even
>>> that kind of old technology would work relatively well with Linux or
>>> Windows on it. On the Mac? Disgusting. My parents felt _no change_
>>> from 4GB to 8GB despiet assurances from zealots that the experience
>>> would be fantastic.
>>
>> that only means that you weren't memory bound.
>>
>>> Maybe things will change once the filesystem is
>>> replaced (did it happen yet?) but I doubt it; optimization is
>>> something absolutely no one at Apple can even spell much less implement.
>>
>> nonsense.
>>
> Why does the Apple Terminal program take 7 seconds to finally show a
> prompt then?
>

I don't know, because I can open it and get a prompt instantly.

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#95352

FromGreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com>
Date2016-10-06 11:22 -0600
Message-ID<nt618h$o40$5@dont-email.me>
In reply to#95325
On 10/05/2016 11:07 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
> On 2016-10-05 5:10 PM, GreyCloud wrote:
>> On 10/05/2016 02:51 PM, nospam wrote:
>>> In article <nt3n6r$2o2$3@dont-email.me>, Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Regardless of what Mac heads tell you, OS X is slow no matter what
>>>> kind of processor or amount of memory you throw at it.
>>>
>>> benchmarks show that to be complete rubbish.
>>>
>>>> Apple is happy
>>>> to see you spend the money but reward you with nothing at all. I
>>>> recall getting my parents to pay for a 4GB upgrade on their Mac Mini
>>>> to bring the total to 8GB. There's a 5400 RPM HD in there but even
>>>> that kind of old technology would work relatively well with Linux or
>>>> Windows on it. On the Mac? Disgusting. My parents felt _no change_
>>>> from 4GB to 8GB despiet assurances from zealots that the experience
>>>> would be fantastic.
>>>
>>> that only means that you weren't memory bound.
>>>
>>>> Maybe things will change once the filesystem is
>>>> replaced (did it happen yet?) but I doubt it; optimization is
>>>> something absolutely no one at Apple can even spell much less
>>>> implement.
>>>
>>> nonsense.
>>>
>> Why does the Apple Terminal program take 7 seconds to finally show a
>> prompt then?
>>
> 
> I don't know, because I can open it and get a prompt instantly.

Well, what could cause the terminal prompt to take 7 seconds to appear?
That one I really like to know.
Wife is really starting to hate this new iMac.

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#95354

FromAlan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net>
Date2016-10-06 10:36 -0700
Message-ID<nt623e$aha$2@news.datemas.de>
In reply to#95352
On 2016-10-06 10:22 AM, GreyCloud wrote:
> On 10/05/2016 11:07 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>> On 2016-10-05 5:10 PM, GreyCloud wrote:
>>> On 10/05/2016 02:51 PM, nospam wrote:
>>>> In article <nt3n6r$2o2$3@dont-email.me>, Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Regardless of what Mac heads tell you, OS X is slow no matter what
>>>>> kind of processor or amount of memory you throw at it.
>>>>
>>>> benchmarks show that to be complete rubbish.
>>>>
>>>>> Apple is happy
>>>>> to see you spend the money but reward you with nothing at all. I
>>>>> recall getting my parents to pay for a 4GB upgrade on their Mac Mini
>>>>> to bring the total to 8GB. There's a 5400 RPM HD in there but even
>>>>> that kind of old technology would work relatively well with Linux or
>>>>> Windows on it. On the Mac? Disgusting. My parents felt _no change_
>>>>> from 4GB to 8GB despiet assurances from zealots that the experience
>>>>> would be fantastic.
>>>>
>>>> that only means that you weren't memory bound.
>>>>
>>>>> Maybe things will change once the filesystem is
>>>>> replaced (did it happen yet?) but I doubt it; optimization is
>>>>> something absolutely no one at Apple can even spell much less
>>>>> implement.
>>>>
>>>> nonsense.
>>>>
>>> Why does the Apple Terminal program take 7 seconds to finally show a
>>> prompt then?
>>>
>>
>> I don't know, because I can open it and get a prompt instantly.
>
> Well, what could cause the terminal prompt to take 7 seconds to appear?
> That one I really like to know.
> Wife is really starting to hate this new iMac.
>

Create a brand-new user account and see if the behaviour persists.

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