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  Encourating Others to Backup! TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> - 2014-06-19 20:20 -0500
    Re: Encourating Others to Backup! Martin Frost me at invalid stanford daht edu <nospam@stanford.edu.invalid> - 2014-06-19 18:57 -0700
      Re: Encourating Others to Backup! Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-06-20 18:35 +1200
        Re: Encourating Others to Backup! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-20 08:03 -0400
    Re: Encourating Others to Backup! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-20 03:19 +0000
    Re: Encourating Others to Backup! me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2014-06-20 05:23 +0000
      Re: Encourating Others to Backup! dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-20 17:47 +1000
      Re: Encourating Others to Backup! TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> - 2014-06-20 07:25 -0500
        Re: Encourating Others to Backup! Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2014-06-20 16:11 +0000
        Re: Encourating Others to Backup! JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-06-20 15:05 -0400
          Re: Encourating Others to Backup! Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-06-21 12:09 +1200
        Re: Encourating Others to Backup! Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-06-21 12:00 +0200
      Re: Encourating Others to Backup! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-20 16:18 +0000
      Re: Encourating Others to Backup! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-20 19:28 +0000
        Re: Encourating Others to Backup! briang@panix.com (Brian Gordon) - 2014-06-20 19:44 +0000
          Re: Encourating Others to Backup! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-20 22:16 +0000
            Re: Encourating Others to Backup! Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2014-06-21 01:12 +0000
              Re: Encourating Others to Backup! Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-06-21 12:48 +0200
                Re: Encourating Others to Backup! dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-06-22 02:05 +1200
                Re: Encourating Others to Backup! Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-06-21 13:20 -0400
                  Re: Encourating Others to Backup! Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-06-21 18:22 +0100
                    Re: Encourating Others to Backup! Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-06-21 13:26 -0400
                      Re: Encourating Others to Backup! Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-06-21 21:53 +0100
      Re: Encourating Others to Backup! Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-06-21 10:06 +0200
    Re: Encourating Others to Backup! Rick Blaine <boss@cafeamericain.ma> - 2014-06-20 09:39 -0400
      Re: Encourating Others to Backup! Martin Frost me at invalid stanford daht edu <nospam@stanford.edu.invalid> - 2014-06-20 18:30 -0700
        Re: Encourating Others to Backup! Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2014-06-21 02:13 -0700
      Re: Encourating Others to Backup! Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-06-21 12:50 +0200
    Re: Encourating Others to Backup! "Mr. Strat" <mrstrat@nospam.gmail.com> - 2014-06-20 07:08 -0700
      Re: Encourating Others to Backup! Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-06-21 12:12 +1200
        Re: Encourating Others to Backup! Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2014-06-21 02:14 -0700
          Re: Encourating Others to Backup! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-06-21 09:15 -0400
            Re: Encourating Others to Backup! Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-06-21 06:43 -0700
          Re: Encourating Others to Backup! Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-06-22 10:36 +1200
            Re: Encourating Others to Backup! Rick Blaine <boss@cafeamericain.ma> - 2014-06-21 20:05 -0400
      Re: Encourating Others to Backup! Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-06-21 19:18 +0200
    Re: Encourating Others to Backup! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-20 16:17 +0000
      Re: Encourating Others to Backup! Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2014-06-20 16:46 +0000
        Re: Encourating Others to Backup! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-20 17:01 +0000
          Re: Encourating Others to Backup! "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2014-06-21 01:40 +0000
            Re: Encourating Others to Backup! Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-06-21 14:07 +1200
              Re: Encourating Others to Backup! "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2014-06-21 19:52 +0000
            Re: Encourating Others to Backup! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-21 04:39 +0000
              Re: Encourating Others to Backup! "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2014-06-21 20:06 +0000
            Re: Encourating Others to Backup! "M. John Matlaw" <nouser@invalid.com> - 2014-06-21 12:28 -0400
    Re: Encourating Others to Backup! Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2014-06-20 12:31 -0400
      Re: Encourating Others to Backup! George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-06-20 16:39 -0500
        Re: Encourating Others to Backup! Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-06-21 12:14 +1200
      Re: Encourating Others to Backup! Martin Frost me at invalid stanford daht edu <nospam@stanford.edu.invalid> - 2014-06-20 18:33 -0700

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#61333

In article <barmar-D3A3FF.13200821062014@news.eternal-september.org>,
Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote:

> In article <mg4g7b-fgh.ln1@news.chingola.ch>,
>  Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> wrote:

> > Hmm, can anyone make sense of this example sentence from the second URL?
> > 
> > "Software upgrades routine backup and restore procedures will also take
> > much less time."
> > 
> > Of course it might have been pulled off Usenet... :-)
> 
> I think "upgrades" should be "upgrade's", referring to the routine 
> backup and restore procedures that are part of the software upgrade 
> process.

That makes no sense at all.

-- 
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bitch, of course, but that's because bitching is fun, unlike M$ OS's, where 
bitching is required to keep your head from exploding." - S Stremler in afc

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#61334

In article <210620141822314668%timstreater@greenbee.net>,
 Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:

> In article <barmar-D3A3FF.13200821062014@news.eternal-september.org>,
> Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
> 
> > In article <mg4g7b-fgh.ln1@news.chingola.ch>,
> >  Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> wrote:
> 
> > > Hmm, can anyone make sense of this example sentence from the second URL?
> > > 
> > > "Software upgrades routine backup and restore procedures will also take
> > > much less time."
> > > 
> > > Of course it might have been pulled off Usenet... :-)
> > 
> > I think "upgrades" should be "upgrade's", referring to the routine 
> > backup and restore procedures that are part of the software upgrade 
> > process.
> 
> That makes no sense at all.

It could also be part of a longer sentence, e.g.

After software upgrades, routine backup and restore procedures will also 
take much less time.

-- 
Barry Margolin, barmar@alum.mit.edu
Arlington, MA
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#61343

In article <barmar-C7AE41.13263321062014@news.eternal-september.org>,
Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote:

> In article <210620141822314668%timstreater@greenbee.net>,
>  Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
> 
> > In article <barmar-D3A3FF.13200821062014@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
> > 
> > > In article <mg4g7b-fgh.ln1@news.chingola.ch>,
> > >  Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> wrote:
> > 
> > > > Hmm, can anyone make sense of this example sentence from the second URL?
> > > > 
> > > > "Software upgrades routine backup and restore procedures will also take
> > > > much less time."
> > > > 
> > > > Of course it might have been pulled off Usenet... :-)
> > > 
> > > I think "upgrades" should be "upgrade's", referring to the routine 
> > > backup and restore procedures that are part of the software upgrade 
> > > process.
> > 
> > That makes no sense at all.
> 
> It could also be part of a longer sentence, e.g.
> 
> After software upgrades, routine backup and restore procedures will also 
> take much less time.

But what was the grocer's apo'strophe in aid of?

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nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted"  --  Bill of Rights 1689

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#61299

On 2014-06-20, Király <me@home.spamsucks.ca> wrote:
> TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> wrote:
>> I'm always somewhat boggled by the number of persons I encounter that 
>> do not backup their computers.
>
><nitpick>
>
> You mean "back up", not "backup". The former is the verb you are 
> meaning to use; the latter is a noun.
>
> I always back up; I have two external drives with a backup on each.
>
> See what I mean?
>
></nitpick>

Can you please explain that to my German speaking colleagues and friends?
:-)

Despite it being a common language construct in German, there really aren't
many examples of this in English.  Instead of the correct "I backed up
my data" I have seen many examples of "I backuped (or backupped) my data",
and Germanifications such as "gebackupt"/"gebackupped" where "upgebackt"/
"upgebacked" would be more correct.

Still, I know what they mean :-)

-- 
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#61192

On 6/19/14, 9:20 PM, TaliesinSoft wrote:
> I'm always somewhat boggled by the number of persons I encounter that do
> not backup their computers. So far I haven't been very successful at
> convincing them to do so. I can remember encountering a man at the
> Genius Bar at an Apple Store who had experienced a hard drive failure
> and was being told that for a few thousand dollars a recovery
> specializing organization might recover some of the data. But it seems
> that people don't understand the importance of backing up until a
> catastrophe strikes. So what are effective means of convincing someone
> of the value of backing up?
>
> I say all of this as I have had no success in convincing my very own
> sister in this regard.
>
>

Why have you taken it on as your life's calling to sweep back the tide 
of stupidity among the unwashed masses?

-- 
Life is tough.....it's even tougher if you're stupid.
                                     -- John Wayne

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#61275

Rick Blaine <boss@cafeamericain.ma> writes:

> On 6/19/14, 9:20 PM, TaliesinSoft wrote:
> > I'm always somewhat boggled by the number of persons I encounter that do
> > not backup their computers. So far I haven't been very successful at
> > convincing them to do so. I can remember encountering a man at the
> > Genius Bar at an Apple Store who had experienced a hard drive failure
> > and was being told that for a few thousand dollars a recovery
> > specializing organization might recover some of the data. But it seems
> > that people don't understand the importance of backing up until a
> > catastrophe strikes. So what are effective means of convincing someone
> > of the value of backing up?
> >
> > I say all of this as I have had no success in convincing my very own
> > sister in this regard.
> 
> Why have you taken it on as your life's calling to sweep back the tide 
> of stupidity among the unwashed masses?

Unwashed masses?  Just looks like he's trying to convince his sister
-- a quite reasonable thing to attempt.

Martin 

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#61301

On 6/20/2014 6:30 PM PT, Martin Frost me at invalid stanford daht edu typed:

>>> I'm always somewhat boggled by the number of persons I encounter that do
>>> not backup their computers. So far I haven't been very successful at
>>> convincing them to do so. I can remember encountering a man at the
>>> Genius Bar at an Apple Store who had experienced a hard drive failure
>>> and was being told that for a few thousand dollars a recovery
>>> specializing organization might recover some of the data. But it seems
>>> that people don't understand the importance of backing up until a
>>> catastrophe strikes. So what are effective means of convincing someone
>>> of the value of backing up?
>>>
>>> I say all of this as I have had no success in convincing my very own
>>> sister in this regard.
>>
>> Why have you taken it on as your life's calling to sweep back the tide
>> of stupidity among the unwashed masses?
>
> Unwashed masses?  Just looks like he's trying to convince his sister
> -- a quite reasonable thing to attempt.

I see this all the time with friends, relatives, etc. I told them that I 
will not fix their computers if they don't do backups. I even offered to 
back them up for them on how to do them easily with TimeMachine if using 
Macs. :(
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#61315

On 2014-06-20, Rick Blaine <boss@cafeamericain.ma> wrote:
> On 6/19/14, 9:20 PM, TaliesinSoft wrote:
>> I'm always somewhat boggled by the number of persons I encounter that do
>> not backup their computers. So far I haven't been very successful at
>> convincing them to do so. I can remember encountering a man at the
>> Genius Bar at an Apple Store who had experienced a hard drive failure
>> and was being told that for a few thousand dollars a recovery
>> specializing organization might recover some of the data. But it seems
>> that people don't understand the importance of backing up until a
>> catastrophe strikes. So what are effective means of convincing someone
>> of the value of backing up?
>>
>> I say all of this as I have had no success in convincing my very own
>> sister in this regard.
>>
>>
>
> Why have you taken it on as your life's calling to sweep back the tide 
> of stupidity among the unwashed masses?

Perhaps he's trying to counter all the "good" work put in by Microsoft
over the years.

It's time someone did.


-- 
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#61194

In article <c0hgjbFmscnU1@mid.individual.net>, TaliesinSoft
<taliesinsoft@me.com> wrote:

> I'm always somewhat boggled by the number of persons I encounter that 
> do not backup their computers. So far I haven't been very successful at 
> convincing them to do so. I can remember encountering a man at the 
> Genius Bar at an Apple Store who had experienced a hard drive failure 
> and was being told that for a few thousand dollars a recovery 
> specializing organization might recover some of the data. But it seems 
> that people don't understand the importance of backing up until a 
> catastrophe strikes. So what are effective means of convincing someone 
> of the value of backing up?
> 
> I say all of this as I have had no success in convincing my very own 
> sister in this regard.

Windows or Mac, it's very simple. The current Windows backup works very
well, but with a Mac, there's no excuse for not having a little
external drive on Time Machine. External drives are dirt cheap.

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#61267

In article <200620140708091357%mrstrat@nospam.gmail.com>, Mr. Strat
<mrstrat@nospam.gmail.com> wrote:
> In article <c0hgjbFmscnU1@mid.individual.net>, TaliesinSoft
> <taliesinsoft@me.com> wrote:
> 
> > I'm always somewhat boggled by the number of persons I encounter that 
> > do not backup their computers. So far I haven't been very successful at 
> > convincing them to do so. I can remember encountering a man at the 
> > Genius Bar at an Apple Store who had experienced a hard drive failure 
> > and was being told that for a few thousand dollars a recovery 
> > specializing organization might recover some of the data. But it seems 
> > that people don't understand the importance of backing up until a 
> > catastrophe strikes. So what are effective means of convincing someone 
> > of the value of backing up?
> > 
> > I say all of this as I have had no success in convincing my very own 
> > sister in this regard.
> 
> Windows or Mac, it's very simple. The current Windows backup works very
> well, but with a Mac, there's no excuse for not having a little
> external drive on Time Machine. External drives are dirt cheap.

Nope. I can buy a bag of dirt for under NZ$10, but an external hard
drive costs just under NZ$100. Dirt is definitely cheaper.  ;-)

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#61302

On 6/20/2014 5:12 PM PT, Your Name typed:
> Nope. I can buy a bag of dirt for under NZ$10, but an external hard
> drive costs just under NZ$100. Dirt is definitely cheaper.  ;-)

You have to buy dirt? They're free if you can do it. ;)

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#61312

On 2014.06.21, 05:14 , Ant wrote:
> On 6/20/2014 5:12 PM PT, Your Name typed:
>> Nope. I can buy a bag of dirt for under NZ$10, but an external hard
>> drive costs just under NZ$100. Dirt is definitely cheaper.  ;-)
>
> You have to buy dirt? They're free if you can do it. ;)

See the movie: "My Cousin Vinny."


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#61313

On 2014-06-21 13:15:35 +0000, Alan Browne 
<alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> said:

> On 2014.06.21, 05:14 , Ant wrote:
>> On 6/20/2014 5:12 PM PT, Your Name typed:
>>> Nope. I can buy a bag of dirt for under NZ$10, but an external hard
>>> drive costs just under NZ$100. Dirt is definitely cheaper.  ;-)
>> 
>> You have to buy dirt? They're free if you can do it. ;)
> 
> See the movie: "My Cousin Vinny."

Yup! "Just do all you can."

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#61350

In article <-eGdnTwEY-x00TjOnZ2dnUVZ_qSdnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Ant
<ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
> On 6/20/2014 5:12 PM PT, Your Name typed:
> > 
> > Nope. I can buy a bag of dirt for under NZ$10, but an external hard
> > drive costs just under NZ$100. Dirt is definitely cheaper.  ;-)
> 
> You have to buy dirt? They're free if you can do it. ;)

Sure, if you want any old dirt you can digi it up for free, but if you
want quality dirt, then you have to pay for it.  ;-)

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#61352

On 6/21/14, 6:36 PM, Your Name wrote:
> In article <-eGdnTwEY-x00TjOnZ2dnUVZ_qSdnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Ant
> <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
>> On 6/20/2014 5:12 PM PT, Your Name typed:
>>>
>>> Nope. I can buy a bag of dirt for under NZ$10, but an external hard
>>> drive costs just under NZ$100. Dirt is definitely cheaper.  ;-)
>>
>> You have to buy dirt? They're free if you can do it. ;)
>
> Sure, if you want any old dirt you can digi it up for free, but if you
> want quality dirt, then you have to pay for it.  ;-)
>

Luke, what's your dirt doin' in Boss Keen's ditch?

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“I’m sure glad you don’t dress like that.”

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#61346

On 2014-06-20, Mr. Strat <mrstrat@nospam.gmail.com> wrote:
> In article <c0hgjbFmscnU1@mid.individual.net>, TaliesinSoft
><taliesinsoft@me.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm always somewhat boggled by the number of persons I encounter that 
>> do not backup their computers. So far I haven't been very successful at 
>> convincing them to do so. I can remember encountering a man at the 
>> Genius Bar at an Apple Store who had experienced a hard drive failure 
>> and was being told that for a few thousand dollars a recovery 
>> specializing organization might recover some of the data. But it seems 
>> that people don't understand the importance of backing up until a 
>> catastrophe strikes. So what are effective means of convincing someone 
>> of the value of backing up?
>> 
>> I say all of this as I have had no success in convincing my very own 
>> sister in this regard.
>
> Windows or Mac, it's very simple. The current Windows backup works very
> well, but with a Mac, there's no excuse for not having a little
> external drive on Time Machine. External drives are dirt cheap.

Which "current Windows backup" would that be?

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#61199

On 2014-06-20, TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> wrote:
> I'm always somewhat boggled by the number of persons I encounter that 
> do not backup their computers. So far I haven't been very successful at 
> convincing them to do so. I can remember encountering a man at the 
> Genius Bar at an Apple Store who had experienced a hard drive failure 
> and was being told that for a few thousand dollars a recovery 
> specializing organization might recover some of the data. But it seems 
> that people don't understand the importance of backing up until a 
> catastrophe strikes. So what are effective means of convincing someone 
> of the value of backing up?
>
> I say all of this as I have had no success in convincing my very own 
> sister in this regard.

Considering how easy it is with a Mac, there isn't much expense beyond
the cost of a hard drive. Is that her objection?

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#61207

In article <c0j54hF2sr8U3@mid.individual.net>,
Jolly Roger  <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>On 2014-06-20, TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> wrote:
>>
>> I say all of this as I have had no success in convincing my very own 
>> sister in this regard.
>
>Considering how easy it is with a Mac, there isn't much expense beyond
>the cost of a hard drive. Is that her objection?

Considering how ridiculously cheap even 1TB drives have gotten, the
price shouldn't be a barrier to much of anyone.


Patty

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#61209

On 2014-06-20, Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> wrote:
>
> In article <c0j54hF2sr8U3@mid.individual.net>,
> Jolly Roger  <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>>On 2014-06-20, TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I say all of this as I have had no success in convincing my very own 
>>> sister in this regard.
>>
>>Considering how easy it is with a Mac, there isn't much expense beyond
>>the cost of a hard drive. Is that her objection?
>
> Considering how ridiculously cheap even 1TB drives have gotten, the
> price shouldn't be a barrier to much of anyone.

Indeed. I'm really curious what her objections are about. It's a
no-brainer for most Mac users.

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#61278

On Fri, 20 Jun 2014 17:01:49 UTC, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
wrote:

> On 2014-06-20, Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> wrote:
> >
> > In article <c0j54hF2sr8U3@mid.individual.net>,
> > Jolly Roger  <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> >>On 2014-06-20, TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I say all of this as I have had no success in convincing my very own 
> >>> sister in this regard.
> >>
> >>Considering how easy it is with a Mac, there isn't much expense beyond
> >>the cost of a hard drive. Is that her objection?
> >
> > Considering how ridiculously cheap even 1TB drives have gotten, the
> > price shouldn't be a barrier to much of anyone.
> 
> Indeed. I'm really curious what her objections are about. It's a
> no-brainer for most Mac users.
 
I can think of one: if she regularly uses a laptop while sitting in 
her easy chair, then it takes some time and effort to hook up an 
external drive and make a backup. Of course she could get a Time 
Capsule, but then that's no longer such a cheap solution.

-- 
John Varela

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