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How do mac users create a blank text file where you want it?

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First post	2015-04-20 00:40 +0000
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#73603

From	Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org>
Date	2015-04-19 22:55 -0700
Message-ID	<190420152255022468%michelle@michelle.org>
In reply to	#73590

In article <mh211q$i5o$12@news.albasani.net>, Adam H. Kerman
<ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

> > Yes, you were doing something wrong; you were trying to do something the
> > hardest way possible, which it seems that you are always doing.
> 
> Do you realize there are *only* two ways to save an ASCII text file using 
> the default Macintosh text editor (based on what nospam et al. has 
> intimated) while still preserving your "Save As" options?
> 
> 1. You temporarily save to the wrong format (choose any one, as it 
> doesn't matter since you don't want this format), and then you format 
> that wrong-format file to the desired ASCII format.

Wrong!  There is *no* *need* to save a document in the "wrong"format.

> 2. You temporarily set your preferences to save *to* ASCII, and then
> you save the file to ASCII text, but since that makes you lose the
> option of saving as other format, you then immediately unset the
> preferences you just set, so that you're back where you started.

Wrong again.  You obviously do not understand, whether deliberately or
not, what you have been repeatedly told.

> Given those are the only two options available in the default text
> editor (according to everyone who has posted), 

No one has posted that.

> I must heartily agree with Jolly Roger that the Hobson's choice is to
> temporarily save to the wrong format and to then convert that wrong
> format to the desired format.

> If you know of a *simpler* option using the default text editor, please 
> tell us 

You have been told repeatedly how to do it; the fact that you cannot or
will not understand those simple steps is not our fault.

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#73648

From	"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com>
Date	2015-04-20 06:53 +0000
Message-ID	<mh27pp$i5o$41@news.albasani.net>
In reply to	#73603

Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote in message
190420152255022468%michelle@michelle.org

> Wrong!  There is *no* *need* to save a document in the "wrong"format.

I stand corrected. 
The fact I had initially save the original file in RTF (having seen no 
plain text option at the time) and having a notion of what "formatting" 
means as opposed to "saving", I was misled by the two-menu sequence.

I now realize the two-menu sequence is as follows...

To save *to* plain text:
1. Format > Make Plain Text, File > Save

To save *as* other formats:
2. File > Save > File Format > {other formats}

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#73684

From	jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet)
Date	2015-04-20 20:13 +1200
Message-ID	<1m3712d.16ko2311gcb24oN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>
In reply to	#73648

Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

> Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote in message
> 190420152255022468%michelle@michelle.org
> 
> > Wrong!  There is *no* *need* to save a document in the "wrong"format.
> 
> I stand corrected. 
> The fact I had initially save the original file in RTF (having seen no
> plain text option at the time) and having a notion of what "formatting"
> means as opposed to "saving", I was misled by the two-menu sequence.
> 
> I now realize the two-menu sequence is as follows...
> 
> To save *to* plain text:
> 1. Format > Make Plain Text, File > Save
> 
> To save *as* other formats:
> 2. File > Save > File Format > {other formats}

It must be really tough for you when you have to go through all this
just to know that saving is necessary to retain changes.
-- 
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

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#73735

From	Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date	2015-04-20 14:25 +0000
Message-ID	<cpkgiuFg4haU9@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#73648

On 2015-04-20, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
> Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote in message
> 190420152255022468%michelle@michelle.org
>
>> Wrong!  There is *no* *need* to save a document in the "wrong"format.
>
> I stand corrected. 
> The fact I had initially save the original file in RTF (having seen no 
> plain text option at the time) and having a notion of what "formatting" 
> means as opposed to "saving", I was misled by the two-menu sequence.
>
> I now realize the two-menu sequence is as follows...
>
> To save *to* plain text:
> 1. Format > Make Plain Text, File > Save
>
> To save *as* other formats:
> 2. File > Save > File Format > {other formats}

Wrong again.

My god you are dense...

-- 
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I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#73738

From	Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org>
Date	2015-04-20 07:32 -0700
Message-ID	<200420150732365838%michelle@michelle.org>
In reply to	#73648

In article <mh27pp$i5o$41@news.albasani.net>, Adam H. Kerman
<ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

> I now realize the two-menu sequence is as follows...
> 
> To save *to* plain text:
> 1. Format > Make Plain Text, File > Save
> 
> To save *as* other formats:
> 2. File > Save > File Format > {other formats}

No, they are both

File > Save

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#73641

From	jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet)
Date	2015-04-20 18:49 +1200
Message-ID	<1m36x7r.4o1feoqu7lr6N%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>
In reply to	#73590

Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

> Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote in message
> 190420152034578153%michelle@michelle.org
> 
> > Yes, you were doing something wrong; you were trying to do something the
> > hardest way possible, which it seems that you are always doing.
> 
> Do you realize there are *only* two ways to save an ASCII text file using
> the default Macintosh text editor (based on what nospam et al. has 
> intimated) while still preserving your "Save As" options?
> 
> 1. You temporarily save to the wrong format (choose any one, as it 
> doesn't matter since you don't want this format),

Wrong. No temp. save is needed.

> and then you format that wrong-format file to the desired ASCII format.
> 
> or ... 
> 
> 2. You temporarily set your preferences to save *to* ASCII, and then you
> save the file to ASCII text, but since that makes you lose the option of
> saving as other format,

Wrong. Nothing is lost.

> you then immediately unset the preferences you just set, so that you're
> back where you started.
> 
> Given those are the only two options available in the default text editor
> (according to everyone who has posted), I must heartily agree with Jolly
> Roger that the Hobson's choice is to temporarily save to the wrong format
> and to then convert that wrong format to the desired format.
> 
> If you know of a *simpler* option using the default text editor, please
> tell us because what I prefer would be to simply save as either ASCII
> text, or something else (that would be the intuitive approach Apple 
> didn't provide).

You're a moron. I truly pity the poor bastard at the mercy of your
'help'.
-- 
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

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#73572

From	JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>
Date	2015-04-20 00:25 -0400
Message-ID	<55347fa4$0$4647$b1db1813$46decd27@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to	#73502

On 15-04-19 22:11, Adam H. Kerman wrote:

> I simply want to paste some ASCII text into a text document.

Then you no longer wabt ab empty text file.

TextEdit application
Textedit Menu -> Preferences.  "New Document" Format = Plain Text.
Save preferences.

Whenebver you want a new file, you start Textedit, File -> New and voila.


For a better plain text editor, look for TextWrangler. Not sure the URL
for download.

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#73576

From	dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com>
Date	2015-04-20 14:33 +1000
Message-ID	<do_ray_me-DC16C8.14334320042015@aioe.org>
In reply to	#73572

In article <55347fa4$0$4647$b1db1813$46decd27@news.astraweb.com>,
 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> TextEdit application
> Textedit Menu -> Preferences.  "New Document" Format = Plain Text.
> Save preferences.
> 
> Whenebver you want a new file, you start Textedit, File -> New and voila.

On my TextEdit on SL, you can go to the Format menu and choose Plain 
Text, if it is defaulted to Rich Text, or choose Rich Text if it is 
defaulted to Plain. 

If you know the default, you can change it for the doc you are working 
on via the Format menu or simply Shift Command T.

-- 
dorayme

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#73593

From	"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com>
Date	2015-04-20 05:10 +0000
Message-ID	<mh21oi$i5o$14@news.albasani.net>
In reply to	#73576

dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> wrote in message
do_ray_me-DC16C8.14334320042015@aioe.org

> If you know the default, you can change it for the doc you are working
> on via the Format menu or simply Shift Command T.

This keyboard combination makes the Morton's Fork choice more palatable!

I'll inform the Macintosh user about the Shift Command T shortcut.

Thanks!

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#73644

From	jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet)
Date	2015-04-20 18:49 +1200
Message-ID	<1m36xd1.16p10y61ud8yv6N%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>
In reply to	#73593

Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

> dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> wrote in message
> do_ray_me-DC16C8.14334320042015@aioe.org
> 
> > If you know the default, you can change it for the doc you are working
> > on via the Format menu or simply Shift Command T.
> 
> This keyboard combination makes the Morton's Fork choice more palatable!
> 
> I'll inform the Macintosh user about the Shift Command T shortcut.
> 
> Thanks!

How does a keyboard shortcut shown right next to the menu option help a
user more than just being shown the menu? Are you trying to ensure they
forget how to do this?
-- 
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

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#73661

From	"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com>
Date	2015-04-20 07:10 +0000
Message-ID	<mh28pf$i5o$47@news.albasani.net>
In reply to	#73644

jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) wrote in message
1m36xd1.16p10y61ud8yv6N%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz

> How does a keyboard shortcut shown right next to the menu option help a
> user more than just being shown the menu? Are you trying to ensure they
> forget how to do this?

Good point.

The menu option will always be there, and, if they do it multiple times 
in sequence, they can just *look* at the menu hint.

I agree with you.

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#73685

From	jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet)
Date	2015-04-20 20:13 +1200
Message-ID	<1m3714x.amcz7l8lcltaN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>
In reply to	#73661

Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

> jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) wrote in message
> 1m36xd1.16p10y61ud8yv6N%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz
> 
> > How does a keyboard shortcut shown right next to the menu option help a
> > user more than just being shown the menu? Are you trying to ensure they
> > forget how to do this?
> 
> Good point.
> 
> The menu option will always be there, and, if they do it multiple times
> in sequence, they can just *look* at the menu hint.
> 
> I agree with you.

Ok, now I'm worried I've given you bad advice, if you actually agree
with me. Nothing you ever agree with is rational...
-- 
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

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#73699

From	dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com>
Date	2015-04-20 19:44 +1000
Message-ID	<do_ray_me-F42955.19441220042015@aioe.org>
In reply to	#73644

In article <1m36xd1.16p10y61ud8yv6N%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>,
 jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) wrote:

> Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
> 
> > dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> wrote in message
> > do_ray_me-DC16C8.14334320042015@aioe.org
> > 
> > > If you know the default, you can change it for the doc you are working
> > > on via the Format menu or simply Shift Command T.
> > 
> > This keyboard combination makes the Morton's Fork choice more palatable!
> > 
> > I'll inform the Macintosh user about the Shift Command T shortcut.
> > 
> > Thanks!
> 
> How does a keyboard shortcut shown right next to the menu option help a
> user more than just being shown the menu? Are you trying to ensure they
> forget how to do this?

Yes, the menu itself *is* quite important to an unsure user because it 
tells him or her what the change is to and from what. If he or she 
knows what is default, the same key combo will work to change it from 
the one to the other but that does not immediately *tell* the user 
what they are really doing in the way that an inspection of the menu 
does.

-- 
dorayme

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#73592

From	"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com>
Date	2015-04-20 05:08 +0000
Message-ID	<mh21l0$i5o$13@news.albasani.net>
In reply to	#73572

JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote in message
55347fa4$0$4647$b1db1813$46decd27@news.astraweb.com

> Then you no longer want an empty text file.

I agree. All we were trying to do was save some text into a portable 
ASCII text file which was going to be put on a flash disk for use off
the Macintosh.

In most operating systems, there are multiple ways of doing that, 
but on the Macintosh, the method of creating an empty file isn't
one of them.

For our purpose today, that's fine, but, I can see instances where
placeholder empty files might be useful - but that's not my beef
at this point in time (as I'm sure there must be easy ways to create 
placeholder files on the Macintosh). 

> TextEdit application Textedit Menu -> Preferences.  "New Document"
> Format = Plain Text.
> Save preferences.
> 
> Whenebver you want a new file, you start Textedit, File -> New and
> voila.

That lousy option turns out to be one of two in the Morton's Fork of 
choices that Apple provides the Macintosh user.

It turns out that, if you choose that option, you *lose* the option
of saving as the other available file formats using the default text 
editor. 

And, if you choose the only other option, you have to first save as the 
wrong format, in order to subsequently convert the file to the right 
format (and ok a dialog box warning you of any adverse effects).
 
> For a better plain text editor, look for TextWrangler. 
> Not sure the URL for download.

Given only two (IMHO, both idiotic) options available in the default text
editor, I can easily see why everyone advocates a better text editor
than the one that Apple provides on the Macintosh by default!

Thanks!

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#73780

From	Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com>
Date	2015-04-20 12:10 -0400
Message-ID	<55352509$0$19438$c3e8da3$b1356c67@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to	#73592

In article <mh21l0$i5o$13@news.albasani.net>,
 "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

> JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote in message
> 55347fa4$0$4647$b1db1813$46decd27@news.astraweb.com
> 
> > Then you no longer want an empty text file.
> 
> I agree. All we were trying to do was save some text into a portable 
> ASCII text file which was going to be put on a flash disk for use off
> the Macintosh.
> 
> In most operating systems, there are multiple ways of doing that, 
> but on the Macintosh, the method of creating an empty file isn't
> one of them.
> 
> For our purpose today, that's fine, but, I can see instances where
> placeholder empty files might be useful - but that's not my beef
> at this point in time (as I'm sure there must be easy ways to create 
> placeholder files on the Macintosh). 
> 
> > TextEdit application Textedit Menu -> Preferences.  "New Document"
> > Format = Plain Text.
> > Save preferences.
> > 
> > Whenebver you want a new file, you start Textedit, File -> New and
> > voila.
> 
> That lousy option turns out to be one of two in the Morton's Fork of 
> choices that Apple provides the Macintosh user.
> 
> It turns out that, if you choose that option, you *lose* the option
> of saving as the other available file formats using the default text 
> editor. 
> 
> And, if you choose the only other option, you have to first save as the 
> wrong format, in order to subsequently convert the file to the right 
> format (and ok a dialog box warning you of any adverse effects).
>  
> > For a better plain text editor, look for TextWrangler. 
> > Not sure the URL for download.
> 
> Given only two (IMHO, both idiotic) options available in the default text
> editor, I can easily see why everyone advocates a better text editor
> than the one that Apple provides on the Macintosh by default!
> 
> Thanks!

Jesus christ on a crutch! There are 260 messages in this thread because 
you can't figure out how to save a fucking file in plain text? Eejit.
-- 
Where's the Vangelis music?
Pris' tongue is sticking out in in the wide shot after Batty has kissed her.
They have put back more tits into the Zhora dressing  room scene.
  -- notes for Blade Runner

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#73782

From	billy@MIX.COM
Date	2015-04-20 16:34 +0000
Message-ID	<mh39qv$ppt$3@reader2.panix.com>
In reply to	#73780

In comp.sys.mac.system Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> wrote:

> Jesus christ on a crutch! There are 260 messages in this thread because 
> you can't figure out how to save a fucking file in plain text? Eejit.

Man, am I glad I read your first.

Thanks!!

Billy Y..
-- 
        sub     #'9+1   ,r0             ; convert ascii byte
	add     #9.+1   ,r0             ; to an integer
	bcc     20$                     ; not a number

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#73811

From	dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com>
Date	2015-04-21 11:17 +1000
Message-ID	<do_ray_me-67EEBF.11174821042015@aioe.org>
In reply to	#73780

In article <55352509$0$19438$c3e8da3$b1356c67@news.astraweb.com>,
 Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> wrote:

> Jesus christ on a crutch! There are 260 messages in this thread because 
> you can't figure out how to save a fucking file in plain text? Eejit.

It may only be the superficial reason. Deep down perhaps, it was in 
the blueprint for the Big Bang. If you doubt this, explain why so many 
who have contributed have probably felt it *against* their better 
judgment or even freewill. You see, they were helpless against the 
great forces that fashion this world.

-- 
dorayme

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#73826

From	Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com>
Date	2015-04-21 07:13 -0400
Message-ID	<553630ce$0$46974$c3e8da3$aae71a0a@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to	#73811

In article <do_ray_me-67EEBF.11174821042015@aioe.org>,
 dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> wrote:

> In article <55352509$0$19438$c3e8da3$b1356c67@news.astraweb.com>,
>  Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > Jesus christ on a crutch! There are 260 messages in this thread because 
> > you can't figure out how to save a fucking file in plain text? Eejit.
> 
> It may only be the superficial reason. Deep down perhaps, it was in 
> the blueprint for the Big Bang. If you doubt this, explain why so many 
> who have contributed have probably felt it *against* their better 
> judgment or even freewill. You see, they were helpless against the 
> great forces that fashion this world.

Starring Keanu Reeves ...
-- 
Where's the Vangelis music?
Pris' tongue is sticking out in in the wide shot after Batty has kissed her.
They have put back more tits into the Zhora dressing  room scene.
  -- notes for Blade Runner

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#73765

From	gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz>
Date	2015-04-20 08:28 -0700
Message-ID	<20150420082800239-xxx@yyyzzz>
In reply to	#73502

On 2015-04-20 02:11:47 +0000, Adam H. Kerman said:

> Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote in message
> 190420151842061874%michelle@michelle.org
> 
>> But that is what the OP wanted to create.
> 
> I simply want to paste some ASCII text into a text document.
> 
> I don't care HOW the text file is created as long as the
> ASCII text document has a name and location that I choose
> and it contains just the text I want to be in it.
> 
> It should be a couple of steps, tops, to do something
> as simple and mundane as this.

You can do it in one compound step: Select the text you will paste and 
drag it to the desktop. It will create an ascii vessel for you called a 
.textclipping.

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#73766

From	gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz>
Date	2015-04-20 08:32 -0700
Message-ID	<2015042008322842748-xxx@yyyzzz>
In reply to	#73765

On 2015-04-20 15:28:00 +0000, gtr said:

> On 2015-04-20 02:11:47 +0000, Adam H. Kerman said:
> 
>> Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote in message
>> 190420151842061874%michelle@michelle.org
>> 
>>> But that is what the OP wanted to create.
>> 
>> I simply want to paste some ASCII text into a text document.
>> 
>> I don't care HOW the text file is created as long as the
>> ASCII text document has a name and location that I choose
>> and it contains just the text I want to be in it.
>> 
>> It should be a couple of steps, tops, to do something
>> as simple and mundane as this.
> 
> You can do it in one compound step: Select the text you will paste and 
> drag it to the desktop. It will create an ascii vessel for you called a 
> .textclipping.

I guess that's actually a version of an .rtf file.  Nevermind.

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