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  Have you ever had a public VPN rat on you when downloading torrents? "Maraela J." <Maraelaj@example.com> - 2015-03-28 04:10 +0000
    Re: Have you ever had a public VPN rat on you when downloading torrents? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-28 00:20 -0400
      Re: Have you ever had a public VPN rat on you when downloading torrents? "Maraela J." <Maraelaj@example.com> - 2015-03-28 05:49 +0000
        Re: Have you ever had a public VPN rat on you when downloading torrents? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-28 02:44 -0400
      Re: Have you ever had a public VPN rat on you when downloading torrents? "Maraela J." <Maraelaj@example.com> - 2015-03-28 16:58 +0000
        Re: Have you ever had a public VPN rat on you when downloading torrents? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-28 15:40 -0400
        Re: Have you ever had a public VPN rat on you when downloading torrents? "Maraela J." <Maraelaj@example.com> - 2015-03-29 00:53 +0000
          Re: Have you ever had a public VPN rat on you when downloading torrents? "Maraela J." <Maraelaj@example.com> - 2015-03-29 01:44 +0000
            Re: Have you ever had a public VPN rat on you when downloading torrents? "Maraela J." <Maraelaj@example.com> - 2015-03-29 02:18 +0000
              Re: Have you ever had a public VPN rat on you when downloading torrents? "Maraela J." <Maraelaj@example.com> - 2015-03-29 03:07 +0000
          Re: Have you ever had a public VPN rat on you when downloading torrents? "Maraela J." <Maraelaj@example.com> - 2015-03-29 01:51 +0000
      Re: Have you ever had a public VPN rat on you when downloading torrents? "Maraela J." <Maraelaj@example.com> - 2015-03-28 22:41 +0000
        Re: Have you ever had a public VPN rat on you when downloading torrents? Mel Bourne <noabode@none.zero> - 2015-03-29 06:10 +0700
          Re: Have you ever had a public VPN rat on you when downloading torrents? Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-03-28 19:53 -0400
    Re: Have you ever had a public VPN rat on you when downloading torrents? "The_Chris" <TheChris@nospam.gmail.com> - 2015-03-28 07:32 +0000
      Re: Have you ever had a public VPN rat on you when downloading torrents? "Dirk T. Verbeek" <dverbeek@xs4all.nl> - 2015-03-28 06:44 -0300
        Re: Have you ever had a public VPN rat on you when downloading torrents? "(PeteCresswell)" <x@y.Invalid> - 2015-03-28 08:10 -0400
          Re: Have you ever had a public VPN rat on you when downloading torrents? "Maraela J." <Maraelaj@example.com> - 2015-03-28 15:42 +0000
            Re: Have you ever had a public VPN rat on you when downloading torrents? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2015-03-28 10:45 -0500
            Re: Have you ever had a public VPN rat on you when downloading torrents? "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG@soft255.demon.co.uk> - 2015-03-28 16:53 +0000
            Re: Have you ever had a public VPN rat on you when downloading torrents? "(PeteCresswell)" <x@y.Invalid> - 2015-03-29 08:30 -0400
              Re: Have you ever had a public VPN rat on you when downloading torrents? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2015-03-29 13:23 +0000
                Re: Have you ever had a public VPN rat on you when downloading torrents? "(PeteCresswell)" <x@y.Invalid> - 2015-03-29 12:59 -0400
                  Re: Have you ever had a public VPN rat on you when downloading torrents? "Maraela J." <Maraelaj@example.com> - 2015-03-29 18:07 +0000
                    Re: Have you ever had a public VPN rat on you when downloading torrents? Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-03-29 15:06 -0400
                    Re: Have you ever had a public VPN rat on you when downloading torrents? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2015-03-29 14:15 -0500
              Re: Have you ever had a public VPN rat on you when downloading torrents? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-29 17:39 +0000
              Re: Have you ever had a public VPN rat on you when downloading torrents? "Gene E. Bloch" <not-me@other.invalid> - 2015-03-29 16:40 -0700
        Re: Have you ever had a public VPN rat on you when downloading torrents? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-28 15:12 -0400
          Re: Have you ever had a public VPN rat on you when downloading torrents? "Dirk T. Verbeek" <dverbeek@xs4all.nl> - 2015-03-29 16:43 -0300
            Re: Have you ever had a public VPN rat on you when downloading torrents? "Maraela J." <Maraelaj@example.com> - 2015-03-30 03:08 +0000
              Re: Have you ever had a public VPN rat on you when downloading torrents? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-30 10:04 +0000
      Re: Have you ever had a public VPN rat on you when downloading torrents? "Maraela J." <Maraelaj@example.com> - 2015-03-28 15:40 +0000
      Re: Have you ever had a public VPN rat on you when downloading torrents? Mel Bourne <noabode@none.zero> - 2015-03-29 05:36 +0700
        Re: Have you ever had a public VPN rat on you when downloading torrents? "The_Chris" <TheChris@nospam.gmail.com> - 2015-03-29 08:28 +0000
          Re: Have you ever had a public VPN rat on you when downloading torrents? Mel Bourne <noabode@none.zero> - 2015-03-29 18:08 +0700
          Re: Have you ever had a public VPN rat on you when downloading torrents? Buster Friendly <lah@de.da.ru.ru> - 2015-03-29 08:52 -0400
      Re: Have you ever had a public VPN rat on you when downloading torrents? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-03-29 09:22 -0400

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#72317

Per Maraela J.:
>Which VPN Services Take Your Anonymity Seriously?
>http://torrentfreak.com/which-vpn-services-take-your-anonymity-seriously-2014-edition-140315/
>
>They asked the VPN services these questions:
>1. Do you keep ANY logs which would allow you to match an IP-address and 
>a time stamp to a user of your service? If so, exactly what information 
>do you hold and for how long?

Am I losing my mind or does this quote not make sense?

"2. We operate out of the US which is one of the few, if only, countries
without a mandatory data retention law. We explored several other
jurisdictions with the help of our professional legal team, and the US
is still ideal for privacy-based VPN services."
-- 
Pete Cresswell

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#72325

On Sun, 29 Mar 2015 08:30:10 -0400, (PeteCresswell) wrote:

> Per Maraela J.:
>>Which VPN Services Take Your Anonymity Seriously?
>>http://torrentfreak.com/which-vpn-services-take-your-anonymity-
seriously-2014-edition-140315/
>>
>>They asked the VPN services these questions:
>>1. Do you keep ANY logs which would allow you to match an IP-address and
>>a time stamp to a user of your service? If so, exactly what information
>>do you hold and for how long?
> 
> Am I losing my mind or does this quote not make sense?
> 
> "2. We operate out of the US which is one of the few, if only, countries
> without a mandatory data retention law. We explored several other
> jurisdictions with the help of our professional legal team, and the US
> is still ideal for privacy-based VPN services."


Essentially, they're saying "we can set it up and are NOT required to 
keep extensive logs for the NSA[1]".  Unlike certain other jurisdictions, 
the only "mandatory" logs here are the 72[2] hour logs that you're 
keeping anyway so that you can diagnose the cause of a problem when you 
start having network issues.


[1]They don't have to, NSA is logging everything already ;).

[2] for some value of "72"

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#72348

Per Dan Purgert:
>> "2. We operate out of the US which is one of the few, if only, countries
>> without a mandatory data retention law. We explored several other
>> jurisdictions with the help of our professional legal team, and the US
>> is still ideal for privacy-based VPN services."
>
>
>Essentially, they're saying "we can set it up and are NOT required to 
>keep extensive logs for the NSA[1]".  Unlike certain other jurisdictions, 
>the only "mandatory" logs here are the 72[2] hour logs that you're 
>keeping anyway so that you can diagnose the cause of a problem when you 
>start having network issues.

Now that I have some coffee in me... I realize that I read "We operate
out of the US..."  as "We operate outside of the US....".
-- 
Pete Cresswell

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#72355

(PeteCresswell) wrote:

> Now that I have some coffee in me... I realize that I read "We operate
> out of the US..."  as "We operate outside of the US....".

Do the copyright trolls only send letters within the USA?

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#72358

In article <mf9f0a$145$1@speranza.aioe.org>,
 "Maraela J." <Maraelaj@example.com> wrote:

> (PeteCresswell) wrote:
> 
> > Now that I have some coffee in me... I realize that I read "We operate
> > out of the US..."  as "We operate outside of the US....".
> 
> Do the copyright trolls only send letters within the USA?

No, they send letters wherever such letters might catch someone in their 
net.

They sent out US-style letters to Canadians, that were just meaningless. 

<http://www.michaelgeist.ca/2015/01/rightscorp-bmg-exploiting-copyright-n
otice-notice-system-citing-false-legal-information-payment-demands/>

<http://tinyurl.com/mkhlr8j>

In the UK, they send out "letters before claim" which can't be ignored, 
but don't really lead to judgements

<http://www.adviceguide.org.uk/wales/consumer_w/phones_tv_internet_and_co
mputers_index_e/consumer_the_internet_filesharing_and_copyright_e/what_to
_do_if_youre_accused_of_copyright_infringement.htm>

<http://tinyurl.com/nfdmtuz>
-- 
Where's the Vangelis music?
Pris' tongue is sticking out in in the wide shot after Batty has kissed her.
They have put back more tits into the Zhora dressing  room scene.
  -- notes for Blade Runner

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#72360

On Sun, 29 Mar 2015 18:07:07 +0000 (UTC)
"Maraela J." <Maraelaj@example.com> wrote:

> (PeteCresswell) wrote:
> 
> > Now that I have some coffee in me... I realize that I read "We
> > operate out of the US..."  as "We operate outside of the US....".
> 
> Do the copyright trolls only send letters within the USA?
> 
The concept of copyright, even when we have agreements with other
countries, is still and will hopefully always be a national law kind of
thing.  

Cybe R. Wizard
-- 
Nice computers don't go down.
	Larry Niven, Steven Barnes
		"The Barsoom Project"

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#72353

Okay, so one time? In band camp? (PeteCresswell) <x@y.Invalid> was all, like:
> Per Maraela J.:
>>Which VPN Services Take Your Anonymity Seriously?
>>http://torrentfreak.com/which-vpn-services-take-your-anonymity-seriously-2014-edition-140315/
>>
>>They asked the VPN services these questions:
>>1. Do you keep ANY logs which would allow you to match an IP-address and 
>>a time stamp to a user of your service? If so, exactly what information 
>>do you hold and for how long?

> Am I losing my mind or does this quote not make sense?

> "2. We operate out of the US which is one of the few, if only, countries
> without a mandatory data retention law. We explored several other
> jurisdictions with the help of our professional legal team, and the US
> is still ideal for privacy-based VPN services."

Nope. Makes sense. What is your question?

-- 
http://2blog.kreme.com
Support bacteria - they're the only culture some people have.

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#72374

On Sun, 29 Mar 2015 08:30:10 -0400, (PeteCresswell) wrote:

> Per Maraela J.:
>>Which VPN Services Take Your Anonymity Seriously?
>>http://torrentfreak.com/which-vpn-services-take-your-anonymity-seriously-2014-edition-140315/
>>
>>They asked the VPN services these questions:
>>1. Do you keep ANY logs which would allow you to match an IP-address and 
>>a time stamp to a user of your service? If so, exactly what information 
>>do you hold and for how long?
> 
> Am I losing my mind or does this quote not make sense?
> 
> "2. We operate out of the US which is one of the few, if only, countries
> without a mandatory data retention law. We explored several other
> jurisdictions with the help of our professional legal team, and the US
> is still ideal for privacy-based VPN services."

Well, "few, if only" is redundant and lacks grace.

-- 
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

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#72233

On 15-03-28 05:44, Dirk T. Verbeek wrote:

> Make no difference if you pay, they are registered at a certain 
> jurisdiction and will follow local law, in the US and some other 
> DCMA/ACTA-like places they will pass on your originating IP.

If you pay for the VPN service, then the VPN operator can pass your
identity/address to the copyright troll when requires since the VPN
operator knows who you are.

If the VPN service has no commercial link with you, they don't know who
you are are at worse, can pass the IP used to establish the VPN, at
which point the copyright troll can go to your ISP and get your identity
from them.

In Canada, the trolls have been selective with which IPs they choose to
pursue/threaten. For instance, Voltage paid some company for a whole
bunch of IPs belonging to a specific ISP because they figured the ISP
was too small to resist. They figured wrong.  Voltage had to promise to
go through with the legal processes against the suspects, and the judge
put conditions which will result in Voltage losing much money on this
endeavour. (in Canada, maximum for copyright infringement is $5000 per
person, and Voltage has had to spend much in legal costs just to get to
the stage where they are allowed to send the treathening letters to
individuals. Each letter has to be approved by the judge.

So it is more likely that trolls will not select IPs that belong to VPNs
or other "difficult to get" companies since the legal proceedings would
be double, having to get court orders to have the VPN company hand over
the equivalent IP and then court order to have the ISP link that IP t a
customer.

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#72362

Op 28-03-15 om 16:12 schreef JF Mezei:
> On 15-03-28 05:44, Dirk T. Verbeek wrote:
>
>> Make no difference if you pay, they are registered at a certain
>> jurisdiction and will follow local law, in the US and some other
>> DCMA/ACTA-like places they will pass on your originating IP.
>
> If you pay for the VPN service, then the VPN operator can pass your
> identity/address to the copyright troll when requires since the VPN
> operator knows who you are.
>
> If the VPN service has no commercial link with you, they don't know who
> you are are at worse, can pass the IP used to establish the VPN, at
> which point the copyright troll can go to your ISP and get your identity
> from them.
>
> In Canada, the trolls have been selective with which IPs they choose to
> pursue/threaten. For instance, Voltage paid some company for a whole
> bunch of IPs belonging to a specific ISP because they figured the ISP
> was too small to resist. They figured wrong.  Voltage had to promise to
> go through with the legal processes against the suspects, and the judge
> put conditions which will result in Voltage losing much money on this
> endeavour. (in Canada, maximum for copyright infringement is $5000 per
> person, and Voltage has had to spend much in legal costs just to get to
> the stage where they are allowed to send the treathening letters to
> individuals. Each letter has to be approved by the judge.
>
> So it is more likely that trolls will not select IPs that belong to VPNs
> or other "difficult to get" companies since the legal proceedings would
> be double, having to get court orders to have the VPN company hand over
> the equivalent IP and then court order to have the ISP link that IP t a
> customer.
>
>
>
>
>
Sounds credible and I sure hope you are right...

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#72380

Dirk T. Verbeek wrote:

>> So it is more likely that trolls will not select IPs that belong to
>> VPNs or other "difficult to get" companies since the legal proceedings
>> would be double, having to get court orders to have the VPN company
>> hand over the equivalent IP and then court order to have the ISP link
>> that IP t a customer.
>>
> Sounds credible and I sure hope you are right...

Even better if the VPN is out of the country, I would think.

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#72384

Okay, so one time? In band camp? Maraela J. <Maraelaj@example.com> was all, like:
> Dirk T. Verbeek wrote:

>>> So it is more likely that trolls will not select IPs that belong to
>>> VPNs or other "difficult to get" companies since the legal proceedings
>>> would be double, having to get court orders to have the VPN company
>>> hand over the equivalent IP and then court order to have the ISP link
>>> that IP t a customer.
>>>
>> Sounds credible and I sure hope you are right...

> Even better if the VPN is out of the country, I would think.

Not really. Most countries have pretty shitty legal protections. Have
you looked at Australians newest law that eliminates basically all
privacy with mandated and unfunded data retention requirements?

They also made so-called canary notices illegal.

-- 
http://2blog.kreme.com
gentlemen in England now a-bed Shall think themselves accursed the were
not here,

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#72225

The_Chris wrote:

> They haven't ratted on me, but, they tell me when 
> people are nosing around

I'd be curious what that means.
Do they tell you when someone requests your name and address?

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#72272

On 03/28/2015 02:32 PM, The_Chris wrote:

> It's worth it to me to pay the $4.95 a month for peace of mind.

Review your selection of provider...

> They haven't ratted on me, but, they tell me when people are nosing 
> around.
> I'm using HMA (Hide My Ass)

http://www.deepdotweb.com/2014/07/08/is-your-vpn-legit-or-shit/

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#72310

In alt.os.linux.ubuntu Mel Bourne <noabode@none.zero> wrote:
> On 03/28/2015 02:32 PM, The_Chris wrote:
> 
>> It's worth it to me to pay the $4.95 a month for peace of mind.
> 
> Review your selection of provider...
> 
>> They haven't ratted on me, but, they tell me when people are nosing 
>> around.
>> I'm using HMA (Hide My Ass)
> 
> http://www.deepdotweb.com/2014/07/08/is-your-vpn-legit-or-shit/


Well, to be fair... I don't do anything bad....I just do it for 
security (bank activity, etc)

I looked up HMA... I don't care that they keep that for 2 or 3 months...

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#72316

On 03/29/2015 03:28 PM, The_Chris wrote:
> In alt.os.linux.ubuntu Mel Bourne <noabode@none.zero> wrote:
>> On 03/28/2015 02:32 PM, The_Chris wrote:
>>> It's worth it to me to pay the $4.95 a month for peace of mind.
>> Review your selection of provider...
>>> They haven't ratted on me, but, they tell me when people are nosing 
>>> around.
>>> I'm using HMA (Hide My Ass)
>> http://www.deepdotweb.com/2014/07/08/is-your-vpn-legit-or-shit/
> Well, to be fair... I don't do anything bad....I just do it for 
> security (bank activity, etc)

Well, in that case you may wish considering utilising a less costly
option.  https://tails.boum.org/

> I looked up HMA... I don't care that they keep that for 2 or 3 months...

A very generous attitude which could back-fire...

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#72321

In article <mf8d2u$620$1@dont-email.me>,
 "The_Chris" <TheChris@nospam.gmail.com> wrote:

> 
> Well, to be fair... I don't do anything bad....I just do it for 
> security (bank activity, etc)

... and to be even fairer, it's a long way from (say) downloading last 
night's Bones episode to hacking into Sony's computers.  And some 
information on the first chart on that site is wrong.
-- 
Too much kipple.

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#72324

On 2015-03-28 03:32, The_Chris wrote:
> In alt.os.linux.ubuntu Maraela J. <Maraelaj@example.com> wrote:
>> I am just looking for user experience since I can easily guess what
>> happens when you use public free vpn server to download torrents.
>>
>> The CDMA can either:
>> a) Do nothing (if they know the free vpn provider will do nothing),
>> b) Or send the takedown notice to the free vpn server company,
>> c) Or have the vpn server company rat on your IP address.
>>
>> I'm sure each of those happens, but I am just wondering what YOUR
>> collective experience has been when you use one of the many free vpn
>> servers out there on the interweb.
>
> Well, if you're using a public free one, you're getting what you pay
> for..
>
> It's worth it to me to pay the $4.95 a month for peace of mind.
>
> They haven't ratted on me, but, they tell me when people are nosing
> around.
>
> I'm using HMA (Hide My Ass)

HMA will comply with DMCA notices.  So choose your server appropriately 
if doing anything sketchy.

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