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| Started by | sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> |
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| First post | 2015-03-16 15:24 +0000 |
| Last post | 2015-03-20 03:42 +0000 |
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Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-03-16 15:24 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-16 11:29 -0400
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-16 15:39 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-03-16 15:57 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-16 16:21 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-03-17 08:23 +1200
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-03-17 12:34 +1300
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-17 11:32 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-17 11:05 -0700
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-03-16 21:26 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-16 21:46 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-17 11:04 -0700
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-17 14:05 -0400
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-17 12:04 -0700
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-17 15:07 -0400
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-17 11:38 -0700
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-17 19:34 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-03-18 07:48 -0400
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-03-16 18:45 -0400
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-16 09:07 -0700
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Electric Comte <electrc-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-16 09:00 -0700
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-16 16:22 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-16 09:37 -0700
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? isw <isw@witzend.com> - 2015-03-16 09:45 -0700
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-16 09:55 -0700
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-03-16 14:03 -0400
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-17 10:58 -0700
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-17 14:05 -0400
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-17 12:02 -0700
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-17 15:07 -0400
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2015-03-18 00:55 -0700
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-16 16:47 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-17 10:54 -0700
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-17 14:05 -0400
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-17 12:01 -0700
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2015-03-18 00:53 -0700
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-17 19:26 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2015-03-18 00:51 -0700
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2015-03-18 11:11 -0700
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2015-03-16 12:06 -0700
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-16 19:30 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-17 10:51 -0700
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-17 11:36 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-03-17 16:14 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-17 16:24 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-03-17 17:41 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-17 19:01 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-03-17 21:52 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-17 23:06 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-17 19:14 -0400
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-03-18 00:06 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-17 20:17 -0400
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-03-17 23:16 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-17 23:47 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-17 19:51 -0400
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-18 00:01 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-03-18 00:05 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-18 00:04 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-03-17 22:35 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-17 23:12 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2015-03-17 17:52 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-17 14:05 -0400
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-17 19:31 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-17 12:07 -0700
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-17 15:08 -0400
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Raymond Wiker <rwiker@gmail.com> - 2015-03-17 21:18 +0100
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-17 16:20 -0400
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Raymond Wiker <rwiker@gmail.com> - 2015-03-17 21:23 +0100
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-17 23:05 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-18 21:59 -0700
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-19 13:47 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-17 12:28 -0700
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-18 00:01 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-18 21:56 -0700
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-19 13:44 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-18 22:01 -0700
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-19 01:07 -0400
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-19 13:48 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-18 21:31 -0700
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-17 12:45 -0400
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-03-17 17:37 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-17 18:59 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-03-17 21:59 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-03-17 22:34 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-17 23:12 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-17 23:11 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-03-18 00:14 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-18 00:24 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-03-17 22:33 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-17 10:44 -0700
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-17 14:05 -0400
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-17 11:55 -0700
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-17 15:07 -0400
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-18 21:53 -0700
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-19 01:07 -0400
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-18 22:09 -0700
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-17 19:38 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-18 21:41 -0700
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-19 13:42 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-18 00:13 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-18 21:40 -0700
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-18 22:05 -0700
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-03-19 10:18 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-17 19:13 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Raymond Wiker <rwiker@gmail.com> - 2015-03-17 21:14 +0100
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-17 23:04 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-18 21:33 -0700
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-19 13:41 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-18 21:20 -0700
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-19 13:37 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2015-03-17 12:09 -0700
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-03-17 21:42 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-03-17 22:33 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-18 00:25 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-03-18 07:13 -0400
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-17 10:43 -0700
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-17 14:05 -0400
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-17 11:48 -0700
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-17 14:56 -0400
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-18 00:22 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-18 00:20 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2015-03-18 00:56 -0700
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-03-16 13:55 -0400
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-03-16 17:57 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-03-16 14:32 -0400
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-03-17 12:34 +1300
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-03-16 21:25 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-16 20:29 -0400
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-17 11:40 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-17 14:19 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-17 13:21 -0400
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-17 10:46 -0700
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-17 13:53 -0400
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-17 19:18 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-17 15:44 -0400
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-17 19:56 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-17 16:10 -0400
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-17 22:21 -0700
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-18 12:58 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-18 13:21 -0700
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-18 12:07 -0400
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-03-18 12:53 -0400
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-18 13:26 -0700
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-18 18:30 -0400
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-18 15:55 -0700
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-18 23:27 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-18 00:17 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-17 19:17 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2015-03-17 12:10 -0700
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? tmo1138 <tmo1138@tmo1138.com> - 2015-03-19 02:40 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-19 13:36 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-19 13:51 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? tmo1138 <tmo1138@tmo1138.com> - 2015-03-19 17:08 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-19 17:39 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2015-03-19 17:00 -0700
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-20 03:39 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? tmo1138 <tmo1138@tmo1138.com> - 2015-03-20 00:44 +0000
Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-20 03:42 +0000
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2015-03-18 00:20 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnmghh87.1c9.g.kreme@kreme.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #71364 |
Okay, so one time? In band camp? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> was all, like: > On Tue, 17 Mar 2015 11:36:56 +0000 (UTC) > Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: >> The big difference is that OS X works as a desktop system and Linux... >> Doesn't. Never has, no signs it ever will. > It does now and always will Nope. > Lots are using it Nope. A vanishingly small percentage that is well outside the scope of "margin of error" is nto "lots". > Can you be specific about what it is your mac desktop does that > linux desktop doesn't or are you taking the aapl kool-aid > intravenously and can only chant aapl-isms I use Linux and FreeBSD much more than you do. I know what I'm talking about and you... don't. Fuck, you can't even post to USENET without fucking that up, troll. -- http://2blog.kreme.com Footnote: The calendar of the Theocracy of Muntab counts down, not up. No-one knows why, but it might not be a good idea to hang around and find out.
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| From | Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> |
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| Date | 2015-03-18 00:56 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <mebb2g$ibm$3@news.datemas.de> |
| In reply to | #71271 |
On 2015-03-16 16:37:26 +0000, Electric Comet said: > On 16 Mar 2015 16:22:56 GMT > Ye olde AAPL kool-aid guzzler Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: > >> Not much need to run Linux when OS X is Unix at the corei, is gnerally > > Ha, so you are a prognosticator, the OP never stated their need > >> more problem-free and easier to use than Linux distributions, and most > > nowadays this comparison is not true > > the big difference in linux vs. macosx is that linux can be > configured to individual tastes to a finer degree than macosx > > that finer degree would include easily modifying the source of any > app you use on linux Modifying the source and recompiling will never be "easy" for any but a tiny fraction of computer users. > > > > > > > > > > > >
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| From | Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> |
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| Date | 2015-03-16 13:55 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <AqidnV5KkbCOhJrInZ2dnUU7-XGdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #71255 |
On 2015-03-16 11:24, sctvguy1 wrote: > Since OSX is Unix based, why doesn't Apple continually update the kernel > instead of outdating hardware and software? Sept 2014 not new enough, huh? Indeed, it may have a newer update as that was Darwin 14.0 and Darwin is at 14.1.0 now.
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| From | sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> |
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| Date | 2015-03-16 17:57 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <me75im$6sn$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #71286 |
On Mon, 16 Mar 2015 13:55:31 -0400, Alan Browne wrote: > On 2015-03-16 11:24, sctvguy1 wrote: >> Since OSX is Unix based, why doesn't Apple continually update the >> kernel instead of outdating hardware and software? > > Sept 2014 not new enough, huh? Indeed, it may have a newer update as > that was Darwin 14.0 and Darwin is at 14.1.0 now. Since I still have a G4 PPC, I am not up to date on the newest. I am going to get a newer refurbed iMac, and was just wondering how often that Apple does update their kernel, as I use Linux and get kernel updates pretty regularly. Do Apple kernels add new features, or do they just patch security issues, or both?
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| From | Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> |
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| Date | 2015-03-16 14:32 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <SfmdnWAwob1QvJrInZ2dnUU7-QWdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #71288 |
On 2015-03-16 13:57, sctvguy1 wrote: > On Mon, 16 Mar 2015 13:55:31 -0400, Alan Browne wrote: > >> On 2015-03-16 11:24, sctvguy1 wrote: >>> Since OSX is Unix based, why doesn't Apple continually update the >>> kernel instead of outdating hardware and software? >> >> Sept 2014 not new enough, huh? Indeed, it may have a newer update as >> that was Darwin 14.0 and Darwin is at 14.1.0 now. > > Since I still have a G4 PPC, I am not up to date on the newest. I am > going to get a newer refurbed iMac, and was just wondering how often that > Apple does update their kernel, as I use Linux and get kernel updates > pretty regularly. > Do Apple kernels add new features, or do they just patch security issues, > or both? Yes. With hardware evolution, having the support down at the metal level is important. Kernel updates appear at at least each new major OS release and there are occasionally 'fixes' along the way. Don't sweat it. OS X (Mac) is a $20B+ business for Apple. They do keep it up to date. I bought an Apple refurbished 2012 iMac and it has been stellar. Well, if you ignore that Time Machine screw up, anyway. It came with 8 GB of RAM and I slapped in an additional 16. Add VMWare Fusion and you can run Linux as well. Concurrently.
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| From | dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) |
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| Date | 2015-03-17 12:34 +1300 |
| Message-ID | <1m1fee3.epb1mi1jxg6p1N%dempson@actrix.gen.nz> |
| In reply to | #71288 |
sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> wrote: > On Mon, 16 Mar 2015 13:55:31 -0400, Alan Browne wrote: > > > On 2015-03-16 11:24, sctvguy1 wrote: > >> Since OSX is Unix based, why doesn't Apple continually update the > >> kernel instead of outdating hardware and software? > > > > Sept 2014 not new enough, huh? Indeed, it may have a newer update as > > that was Darwin 14.0 and Darwin is at 14.1.0 now. > > Since I still have a G4 PPC, I am not up to date on the newest. I am > going to get a newer refurbed iMac, and was just wondering how often that > Apple does update their kernel, as I use Linux and get kernel updates > pretty regularly. The kernel is updated for every major version of OS X (e.g. OS X 10.10 Yosemite), almost every minor version (e.g. the 10.10.2 update) and sometimes in security updates (e.g. the latest Security Update 2015-002 included a kernel update for Yosemite). > Do Apple kernels add new features, or do they just patch security issues, > or both? Same general rules apply for kernel updates as for the entire OS: - A new major version of OS X (e.g. OS X 10.10 Yosemite) typically introduces new features. It may also include bug fixes and security fixes. If Apple has chosen to remove support for an old software feature or old Mac models, this almost always happens as part of a new major version of OS X. - Minor version updates (e.g. OS X 10.10.2) are mostly bug fixes and security fixes, plus adding support for recently introduced Mac models and peripherals. Sometimes they make minor feature changes, or reinstate features which had been removed earlier. - Security updates (e.g. Security Update 2015-002) only fix security issues. -- David Empson dempson@actrix.gen.nz
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| From | Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-03-16 21:25 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <cmp035F10qiU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #71255 |
On 2015-03-16, sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> wrote:
> people who want a good used iMac, could be more assured that buying an
> iMac would last longer and be more useful.
Install Linux on it.
--
Today is Setting Orange, the 2nd day of Discord in the YOLD 3181
I don't have an attitude problem. If you have a problem with my attitude,
that's your problem.
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| From | JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> |
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| Date | 2015-03-16 20:29 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <5507757e$0$64444$c3e8da3$b280bf18@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #71255 |
On 15-03-16 11:24, sctvguy1 wrote: > Since OSX is Unix based, why doesn't Apple continually update the kernel > instead of outdating hardware and software? Something about making money. If people keep their computers for a long time, Apple sales go down. And with a business model where the OS updates are now free, there is no incentive to provide software updates to older hardware. Unless... Apple gave software updates for free to hardware that is 2 years old or less, and made software available for purchase if you have older hardware.
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2015-03-17 11:40 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnmgg4nc.ucr.g.kreme@kreme.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #71331 |
Okay, so one time? In band camp? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> was all, like: > On 15-03-16 11:24, sctvguy1 wrote: >> Since OSX is Unix based, why doesn't Apple continually update the kernel >> instead of outdating hardware and software? > Something about making money. That explains why 10.8, 10.9, and 10.10 run on *all* the same hardware, and nearly the same hardware as 10.7. Yep, greedy Apple. You are *such* a shitbag, you know that? -- http://2blog.kreme.com "A common mistake people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools.: - Douglas Adams
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2015-03-17 14:19 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <cmqrfaFeoekU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #71348 |
On 2015-03-17, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: > Okay, so one time? In band camp? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> was all, like: >> On 15-03-16 11:24, sctvguy1 wrote: >>> Since OSX is Unix based, why doesn't Apple continually update the kernel >>> instead of outdating hardware and software? > >> Something about making money. > > That explains why 10.8, 10.9, and 10.10 run on *all* the same hardware, > and nearly the same hardware as 10.7. Yep, greedy Apple. > > You are *such* a shitbag, you know that? One thing you can count on: JF Mezei will troll Apple whenever the chance arises, and will very rarely (if ever) actually say anything kind about the company. He's such a hater. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> |
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| Date | 2015-03-17 13:21 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <550862a1$0$45891$b1db1813$7968482@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #71350 |
On 15-03-17 10:19, Jolly Roger wrote: > One thing you can count on: JF Mezei will troll Apple whenever the > chance arises, and will very rarely (if ever) actually say anything kind > about the company. He's such a hater. Excuse me ? What is unkind about stating that Apple is in business to sell hardware and not give you free OS upgrades for your 10 year old computer ? I did not make any comparison against other vendors, and did not say whether Apple was better, same or worse than other vendors. You are the one who is going out of your way to interpret my post as a slant against Apple. That is what you do. That is all you can do.
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| From | Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> |
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| Date | 2015-03-17 10:46 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <170320151046169666%michelle@michelle.org> |
| In reply to | #71359 |
In article <550862a1$0$45891$b1db1813$7968482@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote: > > One thing you can count on: JF Mezei will troll Apple whenever the > > chance arises, and will very rarely (if ever) actually say anything kind > > about the company. He's such a hater. > > > Excuse me ? What is unkind about stating that Apple is in business to > sell hardware and not give you free OS upgrades for your 10 year old > computer ? You maligned Apple's motives for not supporting older hardware. Stop being so disingenuous.
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| From | JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> |
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| Date | 2015-03-17 13:53 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <55086a12$0$42909$c3e8da3$5e5e430d@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #71366 |
On 15-03-17 13:46, Michelle Steiner wrote: > You maligned Apple's motives for not supporting older hardware. Stop > being so disingenuous. Maligned ? Really ? Apple is in business to make money. It's business model is to sell hardware. Is that maligning the company when I state that ? And if your business model is to sell hardware, then you want people to upgrade as often as possible. This in no way passes judgement on Apple, and in no way says that Apple is bad or that it is worse or better than other companies in terms of how long Apple expects to support hardware. In fact, Apple is better than the others in supporting older hardware. But it is still in business to make money and that means selling hardware.
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2015-03-17 19:18 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <cmrd07Fjeu5U5@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #71369 |
On 2015-03-17, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote: > On 15-03-17 13:46, Michelle Steiner wrote: > >> You maligned Apple's motives for not supporting older hardware. Stop >> being so disingenuous. > > Maligned ? Really ? > > Apple is in business to make money. It's business model is to sell > hardware. Is that maligning the company when I state that ? And if your > business model is to sell hardware, then you want people to upgrade as > often as possible. Apple doesn't purposely degrade support for older hardware to force people to upgrade. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> |
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| Date | 2015-03-17 15:44 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <55088408$0$1488$c3e8da3$12bcf670@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #71410 |
On 15-03-17 15:18, Jolly Roger wrote: > Apple doesn't purposely degrade support for older hardware to force > people to upgrade. degrade ? Did I say "degrade" ? It simply stops producing software for older hardware. Nothing wrong with that. But it has the side effect of inciting people to upgrade hardware. I didn't say "force". So please stop putting words in my mind to twist everything I say to allow you to accuse me of being a troll against Apple.
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2015-03-17 19:56 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <cmrf87Fjeu5U13@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #71417 |
On 2015-03-17, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote: > On 15-03-17 15:18, Jolly Roger wrote: > >> Apple doesn't purposely degrade support for older hardware to force >> people to upgrade. > > degrade ? Did I say "degrade" ? > > It simply stops producing software for older hardware. Nothing wrong > with that. Glad you agree. > But it has the side effect of inciting people to upgrade > hardware. Nothing wrong with that. > I didn't say "force". Nevertheless, you still haven't properly addressed the original question which was why Apple doesn't continually update the kernel (which they actually do). Your response "to make money" was disingenuous, and you refuse to admit it. You are trolling, as usual. > So please stop putting words in my mind > to twist everything I say to allow you to accuse me of being a troll > against Apple. I don't have to put words in your mouth. The words you speak are sufficient. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> |
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| Date | 2015-03-17 16:10 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <55088a44$0$1223$c3e8da3$460562f1@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #71419 |
On 15-03-17 15:56, Jolly Roger wrote: > Glad you agree. So you agree I didn't disagree and that accusations of my denigrating Apple were not warranted ? > actually do). Your response "to make money" was disingenuous, and you > refuse to admit it. You are trolling, as usual. I was responding to message about upgrades to older hardware. Not about kernel upgrades generically.
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| From | Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> |
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| Date | 2015-03-17 22:21 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <170320152221342857%michelle@michelle.org> |
| In reply to | #71417 |
In article <55088408$0$1488$c3e8da3$12bcf670@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote: > > Apple doesn't purposely degrade support for older hardware to force > > people to upgrade. > > degrade ? Did I say "degrade" ? > > It simply stops producing software for older hardware. Nothing wrong > with that. But it has the side effect of inciting people to upgrade > hardware. By the time a computer is not supported by the current OS, it's usually time to replace the computer for other reasons. When Mountain Lion came out in July 2011, I had a late 2006 iMac, which was the newest model that could not run Mountain Lion. That's support going back five years. Yosemite can run on Macs that came out in 2007; that's going back eight years. If what you allege is true, the OS wouldn't be able to run on machines more than two years old. You have been told this before, but fail to acknowledge it, so yes, you are trolling.
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2015-03-18 12:58 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <cmtb30F4eneU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #71476 |
On 2015-03-18, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote: > In article <55088408$0$1488$c3e8da3$12bcf670@news.astraweb.com>, JF > Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote: > >> > Apple doesn't purposely degrade support for older hardware to force >> > people to upgrade. >> >> degrade ? Did I say "degrade" ? >> >> It simply stops producing software for older hardware. Nothing wrong >> with that. But it has the side effect of inciting people to upgrade >> hardware. > > By the time a computer is not supported by the current OS, it's usually > time to replace the computer for other reasons. > > When Mountain Lion came out in July 2011, I had a late 2006 iMac, which > was the newest model that could not run Mountain Lion. That's support > going back five years. Yosemite can run on Macs that came out in 2007; > that's going back eight years. > > If what you allege is true, the OS wouldn't be able to run on machines > more than two years old. > > You have been told this before, but fail to acknowledge it, so yes, you > are trolling. It's all he does, when you think about it. Rarely, if ever, does he say anything about Apple that might be seen in a good light. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> |
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| Date | 2015-03-18 13:21 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <180320151321292701%michelle@michelle.org> |
| In reply to | #71487 |
In article <cmtb30F4eneU1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: > > You have been told this before, but fail to acknowledge it, so yes, you > > are trolling. > > It's all he does, when you think about it. Rarely, if ever, does he say > anything about Apple that might be seen in a good light. Or that may be factually based.
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